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  • Spunkie
    Spunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 7,095
    My family was assimilated so well, my First Nation mother calls them dirty Indians. 

    I get a kick outta that.

    I hope Ed stops singing 'Ignorant Indians".
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,380
    tish said:
    My family was assimilated so well, my First Nation mother calls them dirty Indians. 

    I get a kick outta that.

    I hope Ed stops singing 'Ignorant Indians".

    explain your reasoning why please?
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    tish said:
    My family was assimilated so well, my First Nation mother calls them dirty Indians. 

    I get a kick outta that.

    I hope Ed stops singing 'Ignorant Indians".
    I've thought about that before, and I came to the conclusion ed is not singing from first person on this, so I think it's still ok to sing and actualy I think he SHOULD still sing it. 
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  • Spunkie
    Spunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 7,095
    edited May 2024
    Would it be acceptable if he sang, 'Ignorant n-word' as it's not from the first person?
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    Animals were hiding behind the Coral 
    Except for little Turtle
    I could swear he's trying to talk to me 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    edited May 2024
    tish said:
    Would it be acceptable if he sang, 'Ignorant n-word' as it's not from the first person?
    I was actually going to pre-emptively say in my post that it's not like the N word. But I didn't. I think you and I both know they simply do not hold the same weight of offense. They just don't. I mean, as an example, there's never been a Minister of N Word Affairs in any government position. it didn't even start out as a pejorative. It was just incorrect. 
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,380
    fwiw, you have a song about what is in effect white arrogance.

    as if we, the white man, are so fucking superior in all things.

    yet, to look at societal structures etc, native cultures were/ARE far and away so far advanced in more fully realized humanness and its potential than WASPY northern european "culture" its sad.

    the invaders are the ignorant savages. and my bloodline spans that region.....

    so yeah, to remove those two words from its larger context it is offensive. viewing in total though it serves to further the idea whitey is the dumbfuck I think the song represents.

    thats my non-native invaders blood opinion anyway.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739

    An appeal for calm as tensions rise again over N.S. Mi'kmaw lobster fishery






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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Regarding the Ed "Ignorant Indian" thing, I agree that as not sung from first person, rather than a racist statement, it's a very effective put down on those who hated and abused  first nations/ Native American people and assisted in their genocide.

    Carl Wilson did something similar, singing in third person in the song "Trader":

    Trader found the jeweled land
    Was occupied before he came
    By humans of a second look
    Who couldn't even write their names, shame
    Trader said they're not as good
    As folks who wear velvet robes
    Wrote home again and asked, "Please help
    Their breasts I see; they're not like me
    Banish them from our prairies and our hillsides
    Clear them from our mountains and our seaside
    I want them off our lakes so please reply
    Signed sincerely."

    That is a powerful song that speaks volumes about the atrocities of the European conquest of the continent of what we now call America.  I'm not a First Nations/ Native American, but if I were, I can't imagine finding either song offensive.  If anything, I would probably say to myself, Why has it taken so damn long for these people to sing these songs?    And I would (and do) find far more offense at blonde women in SUV's with dream catchers hanging from their rear view mirror, and white guys and their sports teams named after native cultures.

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  • Spunkie
    Spunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 7,095
    "Earlier today, the Standing Strong (Mash Koh Wee Kah Pooh Win) Task Force’s final report was presented to Ryerson’s Board of Governors. The Board approved a motion to accept all 22 recommendations, including the recommendation to rename the university"

    https://www.ryerson.ca/news-events/news/2021/08/university-accepts-standing-strong-recommendations-including-renaming-the-university/

    link to report... https://www.ryerson.ca/content/dam/next-chapter/Report/SSTF-report-and-recommendations-Aug_24_FINAL.pdf
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739

    California teacher placed on leave after video shows her mocking Native American dance in headdress


    I’ll put this here…what a fucking disgusting human.  

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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Meltdown99 said:

    California teacher placed on leave after video shows her mocking Native American dance in headdress


    I’ll put this here…what a fucking disgusting human.  

    and the school only bowed to public pressure. she was in a previous school yearbook in a picture wearing the head dress with the caption something along the lines of "teaching the kids through the magic of memory" or something. because apparently the syllables she was chanting was something similar to something in trigonometry. 
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    edited October 2021

    Jean Chrétien says he never heard about abuse in residential schools while he was minister


    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/jean-chrétien-tlmep-comments-1.6223637?__vfz=medium=sharebar


    Former prime minister Jean Chrétien said Sunday that during his tenure as minister of what was then Indian Affairs, he never heard anything about abuse happening in residential schools. 

    I use to like this guy.  But he’s a lying pos who got wealthy off taxpayers and indigenous lands and does not even have enough character to admit the truth…he’d rather takes his lies to the grave.  

    During the French interview, Chrétien appeared to draw a comparison between his own experience attending a conventional college boarding school as a teenager to that of Indigenous children who were forced to attend residential schools.

    "I ate baked beans and oatmeal. And to be sure, it was hard living in a boarding school, extremely hard. Here in Quebec, we had to [in order to get into university]," he said.

    "In Shawinigan, we didn't have a college. We had to go to Trois-Rivières or to Joliette," he explained. "We had no choice. It was hard but my parents insisted I go to university and I had to do it."


    Comparing his privilege to that of our ingenious peoples.  I guess the part about his parents making the choice to send him to boarding school as opposed to indigenous children who were ripped and stolen from their families, many were raped and murdered, had their culture stolen went from eating nutritious meals that the land provided to eating slop.  Fuck this pos of shit old man.  


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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739

    What an awful human…he and all the rest of the politicians are the real savages.  Fuck this old wrinkly pos.  


    Former PM Chretien called out over comments on residential schools



    Responding to these assertions on Monday morning, NDP MP and critic for Indigenous youth Charlie Angus cited a hand-written letter he’d read from a teacher to then-minister Chretien that was from St. Anne's Residential School in Fort Albany, Ont. It was dated 1968, he said.

    In it, the teacher told him “that crimes are being committed against children, that he as Indian affairs minister had to step up and do something. And Jean Chretien never responded," Angus said.

    “Imagine if he had read that letter, and thought ‘I should do something.’ How many children could have been saved? Because some of the worst crimes were being committed at that time. So it is outrageous for Jean Chretien today, to try and whitewash his role…because he knew people reached out to him and they begged him to do the right thing. And he ignored them,” Angus said.


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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739

    Ottawa to appeal Federal Court ruling on Indigenous child welfare


    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ottawa-federal-court-ruling-appeal-decision-child-welfare-1.6229567


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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739

    Feds appeal First Nations child compensation order but launch resolution talks


    https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/feds-appeal-first-nations-child-compensation-order-but-launch-resolution-talks-1.5643910?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+New+Content+%28Feed%29&utm_medium=trueAnthem&taid=617c72f41097a10001b881e3&cid=sm%3Atrueanthem%3Actvnews%3Atwittermanualpost&utm_source=twitter
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739

    First Nations leaders say they'll work with feds on child compensation but appeal 'not productive'


    That’s all right Canada has a very unproductive federal government…

    This will go well.  


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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    An interesting article about the Indigenous Sami people and how Sweden, particularly the Church of Sweden, are embarking on a process of reconciliation that recognizes "forced Christianization" and erasure of the Sami cultural practices and language. The church appears to be largely doing this independent of government as the Swedish government is not yet on board. 

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/church-of-sweden-sami-indigenous-1.6263595
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  • Spunkie
    Spunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 7,095
    It's not so much about how the donkey got into the ditch. It's get the jack-ass out.
    I was swimming in the Great Barrier Reef 
    Animals were hiding behind the Coral 
    Except for little Turtle
    I could swear he's trying to talk to me 
    Gurgle Gurgle
  • Spunkie
    Spunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 7,095
    Latest stats show I need to lower my dreams, hope, and expectations for my Indigenous daughter to align more realistically with outcomes under the Indian Act.




    Improving experiences of young Indigenous girls behind bars. HA!

    And another too little too late effort:

    I was swimming in the Great Barrier Reef 
    Animals were hiding behind the Coral 
    Except for little Turtle
    I could swear he's trying to talk to me 
    Gurgle Gurgle
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    With the exception of violent crimes indigenous peoples should be responsible for hand out/running their own justice system…

    if indigenous people want self government (and they should) and this all part of it…


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