The all-purpose heavy duty Climate Chaos thread (sprinkled with hope).

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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,457
    as much climate as direct human activity in this....


    By LINDSAY WHITEHURST
    Today

    SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — The silvery blue waters of the Great Salt Lake sprawl across the Utah desert, having covered an area nearly the size of Delaware for much of history. For years, though, the largest natural lake west of the Mississippi River has been shrinking. And a drought gripping the American West could make this year the worst yet.

    The receding water is already affecting the nesting spot of pelicans that are among the millions of birds dependent on the lake. Sailboats have been hoisted out of the water to keep them from getting stuck in the mud. More dry lakebed getting exposed could send arsenic-laced dust into the air that millions breathe.

    “A lot us have been talking about the lake as flatlining,” said Lynn de Freitas, executive director of Friends of the Great Salt Lake.

    A lone bison walks along the receding edge of the Great Salt Lake on his way to a watering hole on April 30, 2021, at Antelope Island, Utah. (AP Photo/Rick Bowmer)
    A Pelican floats on Farmington Bay near the Great Salt Lake Tuesday, June 29, 2021, in Farmington, Utah. (AP Photo/Rick Bowmer)
    Pink water washes over a salt crust on May 4, 2021, along the receding edge of the Great Salt Lake. (AP Photo/Rick Bowmer)

    The lake's levels are expected to hit a 170-year low this year. It comes as the drought has the U.S. West bracing for a brutal wildfire season and coping with already low reservoirs. Utah Gov. Spencer Cox, a Republican, has begged people to cut back on lawn watering and “pray for rain.”

    For the Great Salt Lake, though, it is only the latest challenge. People for years have been diverting water from rivers that flow into the lake to water crops and supply homes. Because the lake is shallow — about 35 feet (11 meters) at its deepest point — less water quickly translates to receding shorelines.

    The water that remains stretches across a chunk of northern Utah, with highways on one end and remote land on the other. A resort — long since closed — once drew sunbathers who would float like corks in the extra salty waters. Picnic tables once a quick stroll from the shore are now a 10-minute walk away.

    Robert Atkinson, 91, remembers that resort and the feeling of weightlessness in the water. When he returned this year to fly over the lake in a motorized paraglider, he found it changed.

    “It's much shallower than I would have expected it to be,” he said.

    Robert Atkinson, 91, is pushed by his daughter Laurie Conklin along the receding shoreline before his flight over the Great Salt Lake on June 18, 2021, near Salt Lake City. (AP Photo/Rick Bowmer)
    A man floats like a cork in the extra salty waters of the Great Salt Lake on June 17, 2021, near Salt Lake City. (AP Photo/Rick Bowmer)
    Visitors stand in the shallow waters of the Great Salt Lake on June 17, 2021, near Salt Lake City. (AP Photo/Rick Bowmer)
    Robert Atkinson flies over the Great Salt Lake during a tandem paramotoring flight on June 18, 2021, near Salt Lake City. (AP Photo/Rick Bowmer)

    The waves have been replaced by dry, gravelly lakebed that's grown to 750 square miles (1,942 square kilometers). Winds can whip up dust from the dry lakebed that is laced with naturally occurring arsenic, said Kevin Perry, a University of Utah atmospheric scientist.

    It blows through a region that already has some of the dirtiest wintertime air in the country because of seasonal geographic conditions that trap pollution between the mountains.

    Perry warns of what happened at California's Owens Lake, which was pumped dry to feed thirsty Los Angeles and created a dust bowl that cost millions of dollars to tamp down. The Great Salt Lake is much larger and closer to a populated area, Perry said.

    Luckily, much of the bed of Utah's giant lake has a crust that makes it tougher for dust to blow. Perry is researching how long the protective crust will last and how dangerous the soil's arsenic might be to people.

    People swim at Saltair in 1933, in the Great Salt Lake, in Utah. (Salt Lake Tribune via AP)

    This year is primed to be especially bleak. Utah is one of the driest states in the country, and most of its water comes from snowfall. The snowpack was below normal last winter and the soil was dry, meaning much of the melted snow that flowed down the mountains soaked into the ground.

    Most years, the Great Salt Lake gains up to 2 feet (half a meter) from spring runoff. This year, it was just 6 inches (15 centimeters), Perry said.

    “We’ve never had an April lake level that was as low as it was this year,” he said.

    More exposed lakebed also means more people have ventured onto the crust, including off-road vehicles that damage it, Great Salt Lake coordinator Laura Vernon said.

    “The more continued drought we have, the more of the salt crust will be weathered and more dust will become airborne because there’s less of that protective crust layer,” she said.

    The swirling dust also could speed the melting of Utah’s snow, according to research by McKenzie Skiles, a snow hydrologist at the University of Utah. Her study showed that dust from one storm made the snow so much darker that it melted a week earlier than expected. While much of that dust came from other sources, an expansion of dry lakebed raises concerns about changes to the state's billon-dollar ski industry.

    “No one wants to ski dirty snow,” she said.

    While the lake's vast waters are too salty for most creatures except brine shrimp, for sailors like Marilyn Ross, 65, it’s a tranquil paradise with panoramas of distant peaks.

    “You get out on this lake and it’s better than going to a psychiatrist, it’s really very calming,” she said.

    But this year, the little red boat named Promiscuous that she and her husband have sailed for more than 20 years was hoisted out of the water with a massive crane just as the season got underway. Record-low lake levels were expected to leave the boats stuck in the mud rather than skimming the waves. Low water has kept the other main marina closed for years.

    “Some people don’t think that we’re ever going to be able to get back in," Ross said.

    Brine shrimp support a $57 million fish food industry in Utah but in the coming years, less water could make the salinity too great for even those tiny creatures to survive.

    “We’re really coming to a critical time for the Great Salt Lake,” said Jaimi Butler, coordinator for Great Salt Lake Institute at Westminster College in Salt Lake City. She studies the American white pelican, one of the largest birds in North America.

    They flock to Gunnison Island, a remote outpost in the lake where up to 20% of the bird’s population nests, with male and female birds cooperating to have one watch the eggs at all times.

    “Mom goes fishing and dad stays at the nest,” Butler said.

    Pelicans gather on an island on Farmington Bay near the Great Salt Lake Tuesday, June 29, 2021, in Farmington, Utah. (AP Photo/Rick Bowmer)
    A lone dead tree stump stands as dust blows along the receding edge of the Great Salt Lake on April 19, 2021, near Antelope Island, Utah.
    A "CAUTION LOW WATER LAUNCH AT OWN RISK" sign is displayed at the Great Salt Lake Marina on June 3, 2021, near Salt Lake City. (AP Photo/Rick Bowmer)
    In this photograph created by a fisheye lens shows cracked mud at the Great Salt Lake on April 25, 2021, near Antelope Island, Utah. (AP Photo/Rick Bowmer)

    But the falling lake levels have exposed a land bridge to the island, allowing foxes and coyotes to come across and hunt for rodents and other food. The activity frightens the shy birds accustomed to a quiet place to raise their young, so they flee the nests, leaving the eggs and baby birds to be eaten by gulls.

    Pelicans aren’t the only birds dependent on the lake. It’s a stopover for many species to feed on their journey south.

    A study from Utah State University says that to maintain lake levels, diverting water from rivers that flow into it would have to decrease by 30%. But for the state with the nation's fastest-growing population, addressing the problem will require a major shift in how water is allocated and perceptions of the lake, which has a strong odor in some places caused treated wastewater and is home to billions of brine flies.

    “There’s a lot of people who believe that every drop that goes into the Great Salt Lake is wasted,” Perry said. “That’s the perspective I’m trying to change. The lake has needs, too. And they’re not being met.”

    People gather at the receding edge of the Great Salt Lake to watch the sunset on June 13, 2021, near Salt Lake City. (AP Photo/Rick Bowmer)

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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    130 in Death Valley.  Vegas was 1 degree short of the record…
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    130 in Death Valley.  Vegas was 1 degree short of the record…
    Crazy hot!!!
    "There’s one thing that many Americans can affirm right now: It’s freaking hot. In case you still had any doubts, Death Valley, California—the hottest, driest, and lowest place in the country—experienced a temperature of 130 degrees Fahrenheit (54.4 degrees Celsius) on Friday, one of the hottest temperatures ever reliably recorded on the planet."

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,457
    suppose this can go here. couldnt figure out where else it should go....

    (Bloomberg) -- BlackRock Inc. Chief Executive Officer Larry Fink told global leaders the World Bank and International Monetary Fund are outdated and require a total overhaul if they’re to marshal the trillions of dollars in investment needed to bring sustainability to the developing world.

    Specifically, he called for a “rethink” of their role as financiers -- instead of lending money themselves to promote development and economic stability, the World Bank and IMF would be more useful in the transition to clean energy as insurers that reduce risk for private investors. Fink commented in prepared remarks to the Venice International Conference on Climate, part of the weekend meetings of the Group of 20 in Italy.

    “There is private capital that can be mobilized for the emerging markets, but we need to rethink the way the international financial institutions can support low-carbon investments at scale,” he said of the two organizations established 77 years ago in the waning days of World War II. “We need a financing system that isn’t built around bank balance sheets.”

    A representative from the IMF declined to comment and the World Bank didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.

    Fink, arguably the world’s most powerful investor with about $9 trillion under management at New York-based BlackRock, used his speech largely to highlight what he considers flaws or risks in the approaches many countries are taking to reach net-zero emissions. He flagged the unintended consequences of climate-related regulation on public companies and the potential for “politically untenable” $100-a-barrel oil if fossil fuel demand doesn’t slow fast enough.

    BlackRock has made a big bet on sustainable investing in the past two years and stands to benefit as more capital flows to environment-friendly solutions.

    The financing challenge, as Fink sees it, is creating “long-term, durable returns” in developing economies for private investors who shudder at the prospect of steep losses or wild volatility. His solution, using a crisis-fighting tool developed by the U.S. Treasury as a model, is turning the World Bank and/or IMF into “first-loss” guarantors.

    In 2009, with the world reeling from the near-collapse of the financial system, the Treasury lured investors to buy portfolios of toxic assets by offering them insurance against initial losses. As the economy recovered, the participants in the Public-Private Investment Program made money and the government reaped $3.9 billion in interest on its $18.6 billion.

    “We need global solutions and international organizations that are willing to mitigate the risks of investing in emerging markets,” Fink said in his speech. “We need more solutions like those used in mortgage-backed securities where some degree of losses is absorbed before they impact private investors.”

    There is precedent for similar arrangements. In 2015, the World Bank’s International Development Association provided a policy-based guarantee, or PBG, insuring 40% of a $1 billion bond issue by Ghana. As a result, the debt received a higher credit rating, and Ghana was able to extend its maturity and lower the interest rate. Other PBG recipients under the same framework include Albania, Angola and Pakistan.

    BlackRock also built a similar guarantee feature into the Climate Finance Partnership it formed with France, Germany and Japan and two philanthropies. That effort has raised more than $250 million so far to invest in carbon reduction in emerging markets.

    ‘Greater Magnitude’

    “As excited as I am about this partnership, we need solutions of a much greater magnitude,” Fink said in Venice.

    According to the International Energy Agency, clean-energy investment in emerging markets has to reach at least $1 trillion a year by 2030, up from $150 million a year today, for the world to reach a mid-century target of net-zero emissions.

    Both the World Bank and the IMF were founded in 1944 at the so-called Bretton Woods Conference that created the postwar monetary system. Banks, once a major source of funding for sovereign borrowers in emerging markets, have cut risky lending since the 2008 financial crisis. Much of that credit capacity now lies in the hands of asset managers such as BlackRock and Pacific Investment Management Co.

    While Fink has shared his first-loss concept with G-20 leaders including French President Emmanuel Macron and Italian Prime Minister Mario Draghi, according to people familiar with those discussions, some stakeholders may be less receptive. World Bank President David Malpass has lambasted the private sector for not doing its “fair share” in providing debt relief to poor countries and curtailed the use of PBGs since taking his position in 2019.

    Often, the interests of public financiers and private creditors are at odds. One group has a mandate to assist nations in need, the other a fiduciary duty to get repaid.

    BlackRock is among creditors that felt burned when Argentina, operating under an IMF bailout program, defaulted on its foreign debt in early 2020 and eventually restructured its obligations at 55 cents on the dollar. Fink, speaking last November, said it would take a “lot of time” for the private sector to be comfortable investing in Argentina again.

    Set of Rules

    In his Venice speech, Fink also told leaders investors need a more consistent set of rules on climate-related disclosures and warned that the regulatory focus on publicly traded companies may have unintended consequences.

    “One negative effect it’s having is creating a massive incentive for public companies to divest dirty assets,” he said. “Divesting, whether done independently or mandated by a court, might move an individual company closer to net zero, but it does nothing to move the world closer to net zero.”

    Royal Dutch Shell Plc, the oil and gas giant, was ordered by a Dutch court in May to slash its carbon emissions harder and faster than planned. The company, which was already selling assets, is now considering more dispositions.

    At the same time, there’s been little progress on reducing fossil-fuel consumption beyond electric vehicles. In most industries, the “green premium,” or cost of a sustainable alternative to hydrocarbons, remains too high. Fink raised the possibility that rising demand and shrinking supply may drive oil prices to $100 or even $120 a barrel.

    “While some see higher prices as a way to constrain demand, rising costs in the energy sector will only sow greater economic inequality and a world of ‘haves and have-nots,’” he said.

    (Updates with IMF decline to comment.)

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    First the incredibly destructive heat dome in the North West of the Americas, now this.

    Rescuers race to prevent more deaths from European floods


    BERLIN (AP) — In one flooded German town, the ground collapsed under family homes. In another, floodwaters swept through an assisted living center, killing 12.

    Rescue workers across Germany and Belgium rushed Friday to prevent more deaths from some of the Continent’s worst flooding in years as the number of dead surpassed 125 and the search went on for hundreds of missing people.

    Fueled by days of heavy rain, the floodwaters also left thousands of Germans homeless after their dwellings were destroyed or deemed to be at risk, and elected officials began to worry about the lingering economic effects from lost homes and businesses.

    Elsewhere in Europe, dikes on swollen rivers were at risk of collapsing, and crews raced to reinforce flood barriers.

    Sixty-three people perished in the German state of Rhineland-Palatinate, including 12 residents of an assisted living facility for disabled people in the town of Sinzig who were surprised by a sudden rush of water from the nearby Ahr River, authorities said.

    German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier said he was “stunned” by the devastation and pledged support to the families of those killed and to cities and towns facing significant damage.

    “In the hour of need, our country stands together,” Steinmeier said in a televised statement. “It’s important that we show solidarity for those from whom the flood has taken everything.”

    By Friday evening, waters were receding across much of the affected regions, but officials feared that more bodies might be found in cars and trucks that were swept away.

    A harrowing rescue effort unfolded in the German town of Erftstadt, southwest of Cologne, where people were trapped when the ground gave way and their homes collapsed.

    Fifty people were rescued from their houses, county administrator Frank Rock told German broadcaster n-tv. Aerial photos showed what appeared to be a massive landslide at a gravel pit on the town’s edge.

    “One has to assume that under the circumstances some people didn’t manage to escape,” Rock said.

    Authorities cautioned that the large number of missing could stem from duplicated reports and difficulties reaching people because of closed roads and disrupted phone service.

    After Germany, where the death toll stood at 106, Belgium was the hardest hit. The country confirmed the deaths of 20 people, with another 20 still missing, Belgian Interior Minister Annelies Verlinden told the VRT network Friday.

    Several dikes on the Meuse Rriver that runs from Belgium into the Netherlands were at risk of collapsing, Verlinden said. Authorities in the southern Dutch town of Venlo evacuated 200 hospital patients due to the river’s looming threat.

    Utility companies reported widespread disruption of electricity and gas service that they said could last for days or weeks.

    The governor of North Rhine-Westphalia, who hopes to succeed Chancellor Angela Merkel as the nation’s leader after Germany’s election on Sept. 26, said the disaster had caused immense economic damage to the country’s most populous state. The number of dead in North Rhine-Westphalia stood at 43.

    “The floods have literally pulled the ground from beneath many people’s feet,” Gov. Armin Laschet said at a news conference. “They lost their houses, farms or businesses.”

    Manfred Pesch, a hotel owner in the small village of Gemuend, recounted how the floods came suddenly and rose to 2 meters (over 6 feet).

    “Our hotel needs to be rebuilt,” he said. “We need a lot of help.”

    Wolfgang Meyer, owner of a painting business in Gemuend, said his family escaped the rising water, but his business was swamped.

    “The machinery, equipment, the entire office, files, records ... everything is gone actually,” he said. “We’re going to have some work to do there.”

    Malu Dreyer, the governor of Rhineland-Palatinate state, said the disaster showed the need to speed up efforts to curb global warming, which experts say could make such disasters more frequent.

    She accused Laschet and Merkel’s center-right Union bloc of hindering efforts to achieve greater greenhouse gas reductions in Germany, Europe’s biggest economy and a major emitter of planet-warming gases.

    “Climate change isn’t abstract anymore. We are experiencing it up close and painfully,” she told the Funke media group.

    Steinmeier, the German president, echoed her calls for greater efforts to combat global warming.

    “Only if we decisively take up the fight against climate change will we be able to limit the extreme weather conditions we are now experiencing,” he said.

    The World Meteorological Organization said some parts of Western Europe have received up to two months of rainfall in the space of two days.

    “What made it worse is that the soils were already saturated by previous rainfall,” WMO spokesperson Clare Nullis said.

    She said it was too soon to blame the floods and preceding heat wave on rising global temperatures but added: “Climate change is already increasing the frequency of extreme events. And many single events have been shown to be made worse by global warming.”

    The German military deployed over 850 troops to help with flood efforts, and the need for help was growing, Defense Ministry spokesman Arne Collatz said. He said the ministry had triggered a “military disaster alarm.”

    Italy sent civil protection officials, firefighters and rescue dinghies to Belgium to help in the search for missing people.

    In the southern Dutch province of Limburg, which also has been hit hard by flooding, troops piled sandbags to strengthen a 1.1-kilometer (0.7 mile) stretch of dike along the Maas River, and police helped evacuate low-lying neighborhoods.

    Caretaker Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte said the government was officially declaring flooded regions disaster areas, making businesses and residents eligible for compensation. Dutch King Willem-Alexander visited the region Thursday night and called the scenes “heartbreaking.”

    Meanwhile, heavy rain in Switzerland caused several rivers and lakes to burst their banks. Public broadcaster SRF reported that a flash flood swept away cars, flooded basements and destroyed small bridges late Thursday in the northern villages of Schleitheim und Beggingen.

    Erik Schulz, the mayor of the hard-hit German city of Hagen, 50 kilometers (31 miles) northeast of Cologne, said a wave of other regions and ordinary citizens were offering to help.

    “We have many, many citizens saying ‘I can offer a place to stay. Where can I go to help? ... Where can I bring my shovel and bucket?’” he told n-tv. “The city is standing together, and you can feel that.”




    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    Red Tide in St Petersburg Fl worse they've ever seen.  https://news.yahoo.com/red-tide-forces-st-petersburg-102043605.html

    I have friends participating in the clean up.  It's a big mess down there right now.
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Maybe all this wild weather is caused by the moon wobble!  
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    It's hard to believe this is Siberia we're reading about here.  I'm guessing there are no more climate deniers here in the house, correct?

    ‘Everything is on fire’: Siberia hit by unprecedented burning

    Locals fear for their health and property as smoke from raging forest fires shrouds an entire region of eastern Russia

    The extraordinary forest fires, which have already burned through 1.5m hectares (3.7m acres) of land in north-east Siberia have released choking smog across Russia’s Yakutia region, where officials have described this summer’s weather as the driest in the past 150 years. And that follows five years of hot summers, which have, according to villagers, turned the surrounding forests and fields into a tinderbox.




    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    I wish we would adapt this method more.  It seemed to work for years until we decided to save every tree.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    City in Utah had to stop being built because of concerns for water.  The spring that is there is not as vibrant as it once was.  

    This story is a month old but it caught my eye on the front page of the NYT this morning.
    https://www.planetizen.com/news/2021/06/113555-water-supply-concerns-prompt-development-moratorium-utah-town
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    City in Utah had to stop being built because of concerns for water.  The spring that is there is not as vibrant as it once was.  

    This story is a month old but it caught my eye on the front page of the NYT this morning.
    https://www.planetizen.com/news/2021/06/113555-water-supply-concerns-prompt-development-moratorium-utah-town

    I wish Folsom, California would consider doing the same.  The developers out this way a rabid, greedy, and careless.  California is forked up the asteroid.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    brianlux said:
    City in Utah had to stop being built because of concerns for water.  The spring that is there is not as vibrant as it once was.  

    This story is a month old but it caught my eye on the front page of the NYT this morning.
    https://www.planetizen.com/news/2021/06/113555-water-supply-concerns-prompt-development-moratorium-utah-town

    I wish Folsom, California would consider doing the same.  The developers out this way a rabid, greedy, and careless.  California is forked up the asteroid.
    I hear yeah, Brian.  The same thing is happening here.   In a few years, there will be no green spaces in my area that are worthwhile and free...This is my last summer in this area.  There is more to life than money, money, and money.  It's just greed, ignorance, and no concern for mother earth.  Too many god damn peolple.
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    brianlux said:
    City in Utah had to stop being built because of concerns for water.  The spring that is there is not as vibrant as it once was.  

    This story is a month old but it caught my eye on the front page of the NYT this morning.
    https://www.planetizen.com/news/2021/06/113555-water-supply-concerns-prompt-development-moratorium-utah-town

    I wish Folsom, California would consider doing the same.  The developers out this way a rabid, greedy, and careless.  California is forked up the asteroid.
    I hear yeah, Brian.  The same thing is happening here.   In a few years, there will be no green spaces in my area that are worthwhile and free...This is my last summer in this area.  There is more to life than money, money, and money.  It's just greed, ignorance, and no concern for mother earth.  Too many god damn peolple.

    Too many people- exactly!  Which makes it hard to find a place hasn't been over-developed and ruined.  A few weeks ago we were in San Francisco and too the Golden Gate Bridge on our way home.  There is a sign now along Highway 101 saying that visiting Muir Woods in Marin Country now requires advance reservations.   Used to be you could go there any week day and practically have the place to yourself.  Same with places like Yosemite, and that often requires much advanced planning to get in.  Too damn many people!

    But the big question is, where can one go anymore?!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    brianlux said:
    City in Utah had to stop being built because of concerns for water.  The spring that is there is not as vibrant as it once was.  

    This story is a month old but it caught my eye on the front page of the NYT this morning.
    https://www.planetizen.com/news/2021/06/113555-water-supply-concerns-prompt-development-moratorium-utah-town

    I wish Folsom, California would consider doing the same.  The developers out this way a rabid, greedy, and careless.  California is forked up the asteroid.
    Basically during the dotcom boom, all of the surrounding areas in and around silicon valley were doing the same thing.  Other towns petitioned to widen roads where others said NO WAY and wanted the new bedroom communities to suffer in traffic, lol.  They still built them anyways.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    brianlux said:
    City in Utah had to stop being built because of concerns for water.  The spring that is there is not as vibrant as it once was.  

    This story is a month old but it caught my eye on the front page of the NYT this morning.
    https://www.planetizen.com/news/2021/06/113555-water-supply-concerns-prompt-development-moratorium-utah-town

    I wish Folsom, California would consider doing the same.  The developers out this way a rabid, greedy, and careless.  California is forked up the asteroid.
    Basically during the dotcom boom, all of the surrounding areas in and around silicon valley were doing the same thing.  Other towns petitioned to widen roads where others said NO WAY and wanted the new bedroom communities to suffer in traffic, lol.  They still built them anyways.

    OH man, you said it.  I grew up on the peninsula (bordering Palo Alto and Mountain View) and when we went over the Santa Cruz mountains on Hwy 17 to visit the Santa Cruz area on the coast we first drove through what is now Silicon Valley.  At that time, it was totally rural and mostly orchards and fields. 

    It looked like this:
    The Interesting History of Silicon Valley

    And it looks like this today:
    Corona virus fear in Silicon Valley - home office as a class question -  Newsy Today


    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • rhanishane
    rhanishane NSW Australia Posts: 505
    America has requested our help with the wildfires.
    Our water tanker "Marie Bashir" just landed in California.. she saved my home in NSW during the peak of our bushfires in Australia in November 2019.
    Goodluck all
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    edited July 2021
    America has requested our help with the wildfires.
    Our water tanker "Marie Bashir" just landed in California.. she saved my home in NSW during the peak of our bushfires in Australia in November 2019.
    Goodluck all

    We appreciate the help!  Thanks, Australia!

    Here are some pictures of Pyrocumlulus clouds over the Tamarak fire that at last update is now 43,900 acres. This fire is raging about an hour east of us in the Sierras. Pyrocumulus clouds, otherwise known as "fire clouds" or "flammagenitus" are defined as "a dense cumuliforum cloud associated with fire or volcanic eruptions. A flammagenitus cloud is produced by the intense heating of the air from the surface. The intense heat induces convection, which causes the air mass to rise to a point of stability, usually in the presence of moisture."

    These clouds can become very dangerous as the rise literally miles into the air, can send burning embers for many miles, and can cause lightning strikes which may further cause more wildfires. This was an awesome and rather troubling spectacle to see from our vantage point. The grey below is smoke and the white cloud that are similar in appearance to thunderheads are Pyrocumulus clouds. My wife took these photos just a few minutes apart.(Taken about halfway between our house and where the fire is.)
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    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    We had haze these past two days here in NY from the wild fires out west.  That is a crazy thing.
  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 10,906
    We had haze these past two days here in NY from the wild fires out west.  That is a crazy thing.

    We've been lucky so far here on the coast of the pacific northwest.   The wind keeps blowing west(ish) off the ocean and pushing the smoke inland.  Its crazy looking at satellite images and realizing we're in this thin band of north america that doesn't have smoke right now.