The all-purpose heavy duty Climate Chaos thread (sprinkled with hope).

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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Lytton, BC the hottest spot in Canada, the mayor has order the town evacuated, wildfires have recently broke out and now the town is on fire.  The Mayor calls the situation dire.  Hope everyone gets out safely…
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    Why this much heat is deadly:
    "While humans can survive temperatures of well over 50C [122F]when humidity is low, when both temperatures and humidity are high, neither sweating nor soaking ourselves can cool us. What matters is the “wet-bulb” temperature – given by a thermometer covered in a wet cloth – which shows the temperature at which evaporative cooling from sweat or water occurs. Humans cannot survive prolonged exposure to a wet-bulb temperature beyond 35C [95F] because there is no way to cool our bodies. Not even in the shade, and not even with unlimited water."


    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    brianlux said:
    Why this much heat is deadly:
    "While humans can survive temperatures of well over 50C [122F]when humidity is low, when both temperatures and humidity are high, neither sweating nor soaking ourselves can cool us. What matters is the “wet-bulb” temperature – given by a thermometer covered in a wet cloth – which shows the temperature at which evaporative cooling from sweat or water occurs. Humans cannot survive prolonged exposure to a wet-bulb temperature beyond 35C [95F] because there is no way to cool our bodies. Not even in the shade, and not even with unlimited water."


    Brian I had mentioned the 110 heat w humidity in Iowa.  I would bring in a bunch of bananas for my men.  They looked at me funny when I handed them all one.  i said eat it and thank me later.  It helps with cramping and the heat.

    Best $6 I spent for a few days.  No one passed out.  They all had energy and I think they liked that I cared about there well being.  Or maybe they all just liked bananas.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    There is a town in Tulare county California that has literally run out of water...
    Tulare county city's have had this happen before.
    https://thecounter.org/california-town-no-running-water-heat-wave-teviston-central-valley/
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    brianlux said:
    Why this much heat is deadly:
    "While humans can survive temperatures of well over 50C [122F]when humidity is low, when both temperatures and humidity are high, neither sweating nor soaking ourselves can cool us. What matters is the “wet-bulb” temperature – given by a thermometer covered in a wet cloth – which shows the temperature at which evaporative cooling from sweat or water occurs. Humans cannot survive prolonged exposure to a wet-bulb temperature beyond 35C [95F] because there is no way to cool our bodies. Not even in the shade, and not even with unlimited water."


    I couldn’t survive in that heat…I’d be in AC until cooler weather prevailed.  I much prefer cold weather over hot weather…

    it’s not going to get any better. 
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739


    I hate fireworks as much as my dog…just more stupidity by humans…especially the dumb fucks walking around missing digits because they mishandled an explosive 🧨.
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    brianlux said:
    Why this much heat is deadly:
    "While humans can survive temperatures of well over 50C [122F]when humidity is low, when both temperatures and humidity are high, neither sweating nor soaking ourselves can cool us. What matters is the “wet-bulb” temperature – given by a thermometer covered in a wet cloth – which shows the temperature at which evaporative cooling from sweat or water occurs. Humans cannot survive prolonged exposure to a wet-bulb temperature beyond 35C [95F] because there is no way to cool our bodies. Not even in the shade, and not even with unlimited water."


    Brian I had mentioned the 110 heat w humidity in Iowa.  I would bring in a bunch of bananas for my men.  They looked at me funny when I handed them all one.  i said eat it and thank me later.  It helps with cramping and the heat.

    Best $6 I spent for a few days.  No one passed out.  They all had energy and I think they liked that I cared about there well being.  Or maybe they all just liked bananas.

    I didn't know that about bananas- good to know, thanks! 
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    brianlux said:
    Why this much heat is deadly:
    "While humans can survive temperatures of well over 50C [122F]when humidity is low, when both temperatures and humidity are high, neither sweating nor soaking ourselves can cool us. What matters is the “wet-bulb” temperature – given by a thermometer covered in a wet cloth – which shows the temperature at which evaporative cooling from sweat or water occurs. Humans cannot survive prolonged exposure to a wet-bulb temperature beyond 35C [95F] because there is no way to cool our bodies. Not even in the shade, and not even with unlimited water."


    I couldn’t survive in that heat…I’d be in AC until cooler weather prevailed.  I much prefer cold weather over hot weather…

    it’s not going to get any better. 

    I'm the same way.  Living here in El Dorado County for 25 years has been a real challenge every summer- and they are loooong summers.  I REALLY want to move!  The northwest has been my goal for years, now I'm thinking maybe there is no place other than Antarctica that stays cool anymore.


    I hate fireworks as much as my dog…just more stupidity by humans…especially the dumb fucks walking around missing digits because they mishandled an explosive 🧨.

    Fourth of July is right around the corner and I absolutely hate it.  My anxiety is already ramping up.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    Why this much heat is deadly:
    "While humans can survive temperatures of well over 50C [122F]when humidity is low, when both temperatures and humidity are high, neither sweating nor soaking ourselves can cool us. What matters is the “wet-bulb” temperature – given by a thermometer covered in a wet cloth – which shows the temperature at which evaporative cooling from sweat or water occurs. Humans cannot survive prolonged exposure to a wet-bulb temperature beyond 35C [95F] because there is no way to cool our bodies. Not even in the shade, and not even with unlimited water."


    I couldn’t survive in that heat…I’d be in AC until cooler weather prevailed.  I much prefer cold weather over hot weather…

    it’s not going to get any better. 

    I'm the same way.  Living here in El Dorado County for 25 years has been a real challenge every summer- and they are loooong summers.  I REALLY want to move!  The northwest has been my goal for years, now I'm thinking maybe there is no place other than Antarctica that stays cool anymore.


    I hate fireworks as much as my dog…just more stupidity by humans…especially the dumb fucks walking around missing digits because they mishandled an explosive 🧨.

    Fourth of July is right around the corner and I absolutely hate it.  My anxiety is already ramping up.
    I’ve been saying for years they should be banned…both for individuals and government sponsored fireworks…
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    Why this much heat is deadly:
    "While humans can survive temperatures of well over 50C [122F]when humidity is low, when both temperatures and humidity are high, neither sweating nor soaking ourselves can cool us. What matters is the “wet-bulb” temperature – given by a thermometer covered in a wet cloth – which shows the temperature at which evaporative cooling from sweat or water occurs. Humans cannot survive prolonged exposure to a wet-bulb temperature beyond 35C [95F] because there is no way to cool our bodies. Not even in the shade, and not even with unlimited water."


    I couldn’t survive in that heat…I’d be in AC until cooler weather prevailed.  I much prefer cold weather over hot weather…

    it’s not going to get any better. 

    I'm the same way.  Living here in El Dorado County for 25 years has been a real challenge every summer- and they are loooong summers.  I REALLY want to move!  The northwest has been my goal for years, now I'm thinking maybe there is no place other than Antarctica that stays cool anymore.


    I hate fireworks as much as my dog…just more stupidity by humans…especially the dumb fucks walking around missing digits because they mishandled an explosive 🧨.

    Fourth of July is right around the corner and I absolutely hate it.  My anxiety is already ramping up.
    I’ve been saying for years they should be banned…both for individuals and government sponsored fireworks…

    Thank you- TOTALLY agree!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    I've come to enjoy the boom and crackles even more as I get older...  As long as I'm participating or wanting to see it.  If not then I find it annoying, especially on a mid evening.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663

    Terrible.  I can't believe what's happening in Canada.  Until recent years, we hardly ever heard about this kind of news.  Tragic.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    brianlux said:

    Terrible.  I can't believe what's happening in Canada.  Until recent years, we hardly ever heard about this kind of news.  Tragic.


    Before and after main street Lytton…
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,450
     
    Arctic's 'Last Ice Area' shows earlier-than-expected melt
    By SETH BORENSTEIN
    Today

    Part of the Arctic is nicknamed the “Last Ice Area,” because floating sea ice there is usually so thick that it’s likely to withstand global warming for decades. So, scientists were shocked last summer when there was suddenly enough open water for a ship to pass through.

    The opening, documented by scientists aboard a German icebreaker, popped up in late July and August in the Wandel Sea north of Greenland. Mostly it was due to a freak weather event, but thinning sea ice from decades of climate change was a significant factor, according to a study Thursday in the journal Communications Earth and Environment.

    While scientists have said most of the Arctic could be free of summer sea ice by mid-century, the Last Ice Area was not part of that equation. They figure the 380,000-square-mile (1-million-square-kilometer) area won’t be ice-free in the summer until around 2100, said study co-author Kent Moore, a University of Toronto atmospheric physicist.

    “It’s called the Last Ice Area for a reason. We thought it was kind of stable,” said co-author Mike Steele, a University of Washington oceanographer. “It’s just pretty shocking. ... In 2020, this area melted out like crazy.”

    Scientists believe the area — north of Greenland and Canada — could become the last refuge for animals like polar bears that depend on ice, said Kristin Laidre, a co-author and biologist at the University of Washington.

    The main cause for the sudden ice loss was extraordinary strong winds that pushed the ice out the region and down the coast of Greenland, Moore said.

    That had happened in smaller, infrequent episodes, but this time was different, Moore said. The researchers used computer simulations and 40 years of Arctic sea data to calculate that “there was a significant climate change signal" — about 20%, they estimate — in the event, Moore said.

    In the past, thicker Wandel Sea ice would have resisted the strong winds, but in 2020 it was thinner and “more easily broken up and pushed out,” said National Snow and Ice Data Center scientist Walt Meier, who wasn’t part of the study.

    Another part of the Last Ice Area, off Canada’s Ellesmere Island, had open waters after the July 2020 collapse of part of the Milne ice shelf, but scientists are still studying it to determine if there is a climate change connection, Moore said.

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    brianlux said:

    Terrible.  I can't believe what's happening in Canada.  Until recent years, we hardly ever heard about this kind of news.  Tragic.


    Before and after main street Lytton…

    Awful to see that.  
    Seen too many of those in the last decade.  A big portion of Weed California in 2014, most of Paradise and Magalia, California in 2018.  2834 homes lost in the Tubbs Fire in Napa and Sonoma, CA in 2017.
    And three or dour months of the major part of fire season to go in 2021. 
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:

    Terrible.  I can't believe what's happening in Canada.  Until recent years, we hardly ever heard about this kind of news.  Tragic.


    Before and after main street Lytton…

    Awful to see that.  
    Seen too many of those in the last decade.  A big portion of Weed California in 2014, most of Paradise and Magalia, California in 2018.  2834 homes lost in the Tubbs Fire in Napa and Sonoma, CA in 2017.
    And three or dour months of the major part of fire season to go in 2021. 
    The premier of BC was on the news this morning and said “the RCMP are investigating the fire in Lytton and said the wildfires and  the Lytton fire are w different events.”  I hope someone didn’t decide to torch a church and wiped out the town.  I’ve seen indigenous leaders stand up and are against these church burnings…time for the prime minister to take a stand…
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Meltdown99
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    Parts of Kamloops have been evacuated…wildfires.

    Brian, It looks like it’s going to be a shitty summer in BC and in the US west…
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,450
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/abysmal-attempt-bc-wildfire-response-criticized-by-indigenous-leader-1.6089449

    'Abysmal attempt': B.C. wildfire response criticized by Indigenous leader


    There are people out their that actually think the government cares…well they don’t…
    Give Peas A Chance…