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This story, had it been released last summer, definitely would have influenced my decision whether or not to vote for Hunter Biden.JB16057 said:It's bad enough when social media platforms hide stories but it's even worse when the officials we are supposed to trust do the same. Not everything about this election was on the up and up.0 -
Particularly with an investigation that began in 2018 and here we are in 2021. But then again, you have to consider the linked source. Has Mr. Bobulinski been interviewed under oath? Here's a source reporting back in April:mrussel1 said:
To the others, this was first reported by Politico, not the Post. But more importantly:JB16057 said:It's bad enough when social media platforms hide stories but it's even worse when the officials we are supposed to trust do the same. Not everything about this election was on the up and up.
1. It's a long standing Justice Dept policy not to pursue investigations during a federal election year that could be deemed to provide one political candidate an advantage over another. This should not be news to you and this clearly would fall into that category. The investigations would continue after the election.
2. The decision maker in this case was a Trump appointed US Attorney
3. The DOJ was under Trump
So what we have here is a Trump official following DOJ policy. I'm not sure why this would bother you.Hunter Biden: What was he doing in China and Ukraine?
Hunter Biden, second son of US President Joe Biden, is being investigated by the Justice Department over his finances including, according to US media reports, some of his business dealings in China.
During the 2020 election campaign, he and his father were frequently accused by Donald Trump and his associates of wrongdoing in regards to China and Ukraine, allegations which they both denied.
The New York Post reported on an alleged email in which an adviser from a Ukrainian energy company, Burisma, apparently thanked Hunter for inviting him to meet his father, Joe Biden.
Asked about the allegations, Joe Biden told a reporter it was a "smear campaign". No criminal activity has been proven, and no evidence has emerged that Mr Biden did anything to intentionally benefit his son.
In an interview with the BBC months after his father was sworn in as president, Hunter Biden defended his qualifications for the position at Burisma but added that, in retrospect, he had "missed... the perception that I would create".
Claims of influence-peddling are common in Washington DC and Mr Trump's children have also been accused of conflicts of interest in lucrative business deals overseas. They, too, deny wrongdoing.
What do we know about the federal investigation?
The Justice Department is investigating Hunter Biden's finances including scrutinising some of his past Chinese business dealings and other transactions, a "person familiar with the matter" told The Associated Press in December.
The tax investigation was launched in 2018 but Hunter Biden said he had learned about it for the first time in December 2020.
Asked about the investigation by US broadcaster CBS this April, the president's son said: "I'm co-operating, completely. And I'm absolutely certain, 100% certain, that at the end of the investigation, that I will be cleared of any wrongdoing."
What have the Bidens been accused of in China?
The New York Post cited a purported email from Hunter Biden in August 2017 indicating he was receiving a $10m annual fee from a Chinese billionaire for "introductions alone", though it is unclear who was involved in the alleged introductions.
Another purported email, which Fox News said it had confirmed, reportedly refers to a deal pursued by Hunter involving China's largest private energy firm. It is said to include a cryptic mention of "10 held by H for the big guy".
Fox News cited unnamed sources as saying "the big guy" in the purported email was a reference to Joe Biden. This message is said to be from May 2017. Both emails would date from when the former US vice-president was a private citizen.
A former business associate of Hunter Biden has come forward to say he can confirm the allegations.
Tony Bobulinski told Fox News that, contrary to Joe Biden's statements that he had nothing to do with his son's business affairs, Hunter had "frequently referenced asking him for his sign-off or advice on various potential deals" in China.
Mr Bobulinski, who is reportedly a US Navy veteran, separately told Fox News' Tucker Carlson that he had met on two occasions with Joe Biden to discuss business deals with China, the first time in May 2017 when Barack Obama's former vice-president was a private citizen.
He says he asked Joe Biden's brother, James, whether the family was concerned about possible scrutiny of the former vice-president's involvement in a potential business deal with a Chinese entity. Mr Bobulinski told Fox News that James Biden had replied: "Plausible deniability."
Mr Bobulinski was invited by Mr Trump to be his guest at the final presidential debate in Nashville, Tennessee on 22 October.
What is known about Hunter's dealings in China?
In 2013, Hunter flew aboard Air Force Two with his father, who was then vice-president, on an official visit to Beijing, where the younger Biden met investment banker Jonathan Li.
Hunter told the New Yorker he had just met Mr Li for "a cup of coffee", but 12 days after the trip a private equity fund, BHR Partners, was approved by the Chinese authorities. Mr Li was chief executive and Hunter was a board member. He would hold a 10% stake.
BHR is backed by some of China's largest state banks and by local governments, according to US media.
Hunter Biden's lawyer said he had joined the board in an unpaid position "based on his interest in seeking ways to bring Chinese capital to international markets".
His lawyer also said his client did not acquire his financial stake in BHR until 2017, after his father had left office in the US.
Hunter resigned from the board of BHR in April 2020, but still held his 10% stake in BHR as of July this year, according to the company report.
What did the New York Post say about Hunter Biden and Ukraine?
The New York Post reported an email from April 2015, in which an adviser to Burisma, Vadym Pozharskyi, apparently thanked Hunter Biden for inviting him to meet his father in Washington.
Hunter was a director on the board of Burisma - a Ukrainian-owned private energy company while his father was the Obama administration's pointman on US-Ukrainian relations. Hunter was one of several foreigners on its board.
The New York Post article did not provide evidence that the meeting had ever taken place. The Biden election campaign said there was no record of any such meeting on the former vice-president's "official schedule" from the time.
But in a statement to Politico, the campaign also acknowledged that Mr Biden could have had an "informal interaction" with the Burisma adviser that did not appear on his official schedule, though it said any such encounter would have been "cursory".
"Investigations by the press, during impeachment, and even by two Republican-led Senate committees whose work was decried as 'not legitimate' and political by a GOP colleague, have all reached the same conclusion: that Joe Biden carried out official US policy toward Ukraine and engaged in no wrongdoing," said Andrew Bates, a spokesman for Mr Biden.
Mr Biden's team has also decried the New York Post story as "Russian disinformation", though it did not say the emails were bogus.
The New York Post article was shared by President Trump and his allies. Two of his former advisers, Steve Bannon and Rudy Giuliani, were involved in providing the story and the hard drive containing the alleged emails, to the newspaper.
Mr Giuliani says the messages were found on a laptop that Hunter dropped off at a Delaware repair shop in April 2019.
Sceptics have noted that Mr Giuliani travelled in December 2019 to Kyiv where he met Ukrainian lawmaker Andriy Derkach, whom the US Treasury has designated as a longtime Kremlin agent. Mr Giuliani has acknowledged trying dig up dirt on the Bidens in Ukraine.
But the US Director of National Intelligence, John Ratcliffe, told Fox Business that the purported emails were not connected to a Russian disinformation effort.
Other US media say they have been unable to verify the authenticity of the emails. Hunter has neither confirmed nor denied that he dropped off a laptop at the location.
Hunter joined Burisma in 2014, and remained on the board until April 2019, when he decided to leave.
Speaking to the BBC, he said Burisma had seen his name "as gold" and that it had played a large part in his appointment to the board.
What are the Bidens accused of in Ukraine?
Donald Trump and his allies accused Joe Biden of wrongdoing because he had pushed, while vice-president, for the Ukrainian government to fire its top prosecutor, who was investigating the company for which Hunter worked.
In 2016, Joe Biden called for the dismissal of Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin, whose office had Burisma and other companies under investigation.
However, other Western leaders and major bodies that give financial support to Ukraine also wanted the prosecutor dismissed because they believed he was not active enough in tackling corruption.
What else has the Biden campaign said?
Shortly before the final presidential debate last year, the Democrat's camp released a statement denying wrongdoing.
"Joe Biden has never even considered being involved in business with his family, nor in any overseas business whatsoever," said the statement.
"He has never held stock in any such business arrangements nor has any family member or any other person ever held stock for him.
"What is true is that Tony Bobulinski admitted on the record to Breitbart that he is angry that he was *not* able to go into business with Hunter and James Biden [Joe Biden's brother]."
What did this have to do with impeachment?
In 2019, details emerged of a phone call Mr Trump, the then president, had made to the president of Ukraine, in which he had urged the Ukrainian leader to investigate the Bidens.
This led to charges by the Democrats that Mr Trump was trying to illegally pressure Ukraine to help damage his election rival, resulting in impeachment by the House of Representatives.
Mr Trump denied he had done anything wrong, and he was later acquitted by the Republican-controlled US Senate.
Has anything been proven against the Bidens?
While no criminal activity has been proven, it has raised questions about potential conflicts of interest.
A senior State Department official raised such concerns as far back as 2015.
US Republican lawmakers launched an investigation and found last year that Hunter's work for the Ukrainian firm had been "problematic" - but there wasn't evidence that US foreign policy was influenced by it.
No criminal charges were proven against Burisma either. The company issued a statement in 2017 saying "all legal proceedings and pending criminal allegations" against it were closed.
Last year, Yuriy Lutsenko, the prosecutor in Ukraine who succeeded Viktor Shokin, told the BBC that there was no reason to investigate the Bidens under Ukrainian law.
There is nothing illegal about sitting on a board of a company whilst family members serve in government.
Hunter Biden's lawyers said in statement in October 2019 that he had undertaken "these business activities independently. He did not believe it appropriate to discuss them with his father, nor did he."
Hunter told the New Yorker magazine that on the only occasion he had mentioned Burisma: "Dad said, 'I hope you know what you are doing.'"
Amid all the scrutiny, Joe Biden promised last year that if he was elected president, no-one in his family would hold a job or have a business relationship with a foreign corporation or foreign government.
Hunter Biden: What was he doing in China and Ukraine? - BBC News
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To the others, this was first reported by Politico, not the Post. But more importantly:JB16057 said:It's bad enough when social media platforms hide stories but it's even worse when the officials we are supposed to trust do the same. Not everything about this election was on the up and up.
1. It's a long standing Justice Dept policy not to pursue investigations during a federal election year that could be deemed to provide one political candidate an advantage over another. This should not be news to you and this clearly would fall into that category. The investigations would continue after the election.
2. The decision maker in this case was a Trump appointed US Attorney
3. The DOJ was under Trump
So what we have here is a Trump official following DOJ policy. I'm not sure why this would bother you.It bothers me because this isn't justice. Has the investigation started up again? I don't know but what I do know is that Hunter Biden is now selling his "art" for upwards of $500,000. The laptop already showed that he used Joe Biden for pay to play. The laptop shows plenty of damaging evidence that if you or I were caught with, we'd be thrown in a dark hole as we should be.0 -
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You're mad because he's selling art? Were you mad when Ivanka was selling fashion attire and securing patents with China?JB16057 said:mrussel1 said:
To the others, this was first reported by Politico, not the Post. But more importantly:JB16057 said:It's bad enough when social media platforms hide stories but it's even worse when the officials we are supposed to trust do the same. Not everything about this election was on the up and up.
1. It's a long standing Justice Dept policy not to pursue investigations during a federal election year that could be deemed to provide one political candidate an advantage over another. This should not be news to you and this clearly would fall into that category. The investigations would continue after the election.
2. The decision maker in this case was a Trump appointed US Attorney
3. The DOJ was under Trump
So what we have here is a Trump official following DOJ policy. I'm not sure why this would bother you.It bothers me because this isn't justice. Has the investigation started up again? I don't know but what I do know is that Hunter Biden is now selling his "art" for upwards of $500,000. The laptop already showed that he used Joe Biden for pay to play. The laptop shows plenty of damaging evidence that if you or I were caught with, we'd be thrown in a dark hole as we should be.
Why are you mad that the DOJ put the investigation on hold per the policy? And second, it's also DOJ policy not to disclose investigations of private citizens. These seem like common sense policies to me.Post edited by mrussel1 on0 -
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Oh and please tell me the specific crime Hunter committed that would get you and I thrown in a dark hole. I guarantee I can pick apart your argument with basic legal and statutory knowledge.JB16057 said:mrussel1 said:
To the others, this was first reported by Politico, not the Post. But more importantly:JB16057 said:It's bad enough when social media platforms hide stories but it's even worse when the officials we are supposed to trust do the same. Not everything about this election was on the up and up.
1. It's a long standing Justice Dept policy not to pursue investigations during a federal election year that could be deemed to provide one political candidate an advantage over another. This should not be news to you and this clearly would fall into that category. The investigations would continue after the election.
2. The decision maker in this case was a Trump appointed US Attorney
3. The DOJ was under Trump
So what we have here is a Trump official following DOJ policy. I'm not sure why this would bother you.It bothers me because this isn't justice. Has the investigation started up again? I don't know but what I do know is that Hunter Biden is now selling his "art" for upwards of $500,000. The laptop already showed that he used Joe Biden for pay to play. The laptop shows plenty of damaging evidence that if you or I were caught with, we'd be thrown in a dark hole as we should be.0 -
A lack of justice based upon a lack of evidence and no indictment. Sounds about right for the future of Murica.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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BidenDidn't Hunter run the Comet Pizza deal? And take Robert Johnson's soul down at the crossroads?What a fucking joke. Trump fans claiming lack of justice. A sexual predator (self-admitted) who not only never faced justice, but who was elected President and milked (continues to milk) the govt for all sorts of money....this is your hero but you complain about the opposition's son.The love he receives is the love that is saved0
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F Me In The Brain said:Didn't Hunter run the Comet Pizza deal? And take Robert Johnson's soul down at the crossroads?What a fucking joke. Trump fans claiming lack of justice. A sexual predator (self-admitted) who not only never faced justice, but who was elected President and milked (continues to milk) the govt for all sorts of money....this is your hero but you complain about the opposition's son."This is your hero" Did I say Trump was my hero?You are making stuff up to make yourself feel better.0
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BidenJB16057 said:F Me In The Brain said:Didn't Hunter run the Comet Pizza deal? And take Robert Johnson's soul down at the crossroads?What a fucking joke. Trump fans claiming lack of justice. A sexual predator (self-admitted) who not only never faced justice, but who was elected President and milked (continues to milk) the govt for all sorts of money....this is your hero but you complain about the opposition's son."This is your hero" Did I say Trump was my hero?You are making stuff up to make yourself feel better.It does not make me feel better, not sure why it would.I have no investment in Hunter Biden, I do not care two shits about Hunter Biden.I don't even like Great Grandfather Biden as President all that much....I just felt it was an easy decision to vote for him vs. that fat lop of disgusting shit Donny Diapers.Sorry if Trump is not your hero, I made an assumption based on what I was reading.If you think Trump is a sexual predator I directed that at the wrong person based on my assumption.The love he receives is the love that is saved0
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Oh and please tell me the specific crime Hunter committed that would get you and I thrown in a dark hole. I guarantee I can pick apart your argument with basic legal and statutory knowledge.JB16057 said:mrussel1 said:
To the others, this was first reported by Politico, not the Post. But more importantly:JB16057 said:It's bad enough when social media platforms hide stories but it's even worse when the officials we are supposed to trust do the same. Not everything about this election was on the up and up.
1. It's a long standing Justice Dept policy not to pursue investigations during a federal election year that could be deemed to provide one political candidate an advantage over another. This should not be news to you and this clearly would fall into that category. The investigations would continue after the election.
2. The decision maker in this case was a Trump appointed US Attorney
3. The DOJ was under Trump
So what we have here is a Trump official following DOJ policy. I'm not sure why this would bother you.It bothers me because this isn't justice. Has the investigation started up again? I don't know but what I do know is that Hunter Biden is now selling his "art" for upwards of $500,000. The laptop already showed that he used Joe Biden for pay to play. The laptop shows plenty of damaging evidence that if you or I were caught with, we'd be thrown in a dark hole as we should be.Hunter lied on a federal background check when he purchased a gun by stating that he wasn't addicted to drugs.Do you want stronger gun control? How about we start with enacting the laws that are already in place?0 -
And yet Jared Dear Boy had to revise and resubmit his security clearance application 6 times and ultimately had it revoked. But lets worry about Hunter Biden's gun background check. Last time I checked, that crime didn't get you "thrown in a dark hole." And yes, he should be prosecuted for that just like every other gun loving 'Murican who lies on their federal gun purchase background check. What's Chelsea been up to of late?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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1. What does this have to do with his laptop?JB16057 said:mrussel1 said:
Oh and please tell me the specific crime Hunter committed that would get you and I thrown in a dark hole. I guarantee I can pick apart your argument with basic legal and statutory knowledge.JB16057 said:mrussel1 said:
To the others, this was first reported by Politico, not the Post. But more importantly:JB16057 said:It's bad enough when social media platforms hide stories but it's even worse when the officials we are supposed to trust do the same. Not everything about this election was on the up and up.
1. It's a long standing Justice Dept policy not to pursue investigations during a federal election year that could be deemed to provide one political candidate an advantage over another. This should not be news to you and this clearly would fall into that category. The investigations would continue after the election.
2. The decision maker in this case was a Trump appointed US Attorney
3. The DOJ was under Trump
So what we have here is a Trump official following DOJ policy. I'm not sure why this would bother you.It bothers me because this isn't justice. Has the investigation started up again? I don't know but what I do know is that Hunter Biden is now selling his "art" for upwards of $500,000. The laptop already showed that he used Joe Biden for pay to play. The laptop shows plenty of damaging evidence that if you or I were caught with, we'd be thrown in a dark hole as we should be.Hunter lied on a federal background check when he purchased a gun by stating that he wasn't addicted to drugs.Do you want stronger gun control? How about we start with enacting the laws that are already in place?
2. How do you prove addiction beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury? You are saying that you or I would definitely have been proven as addicted to drugs and received jail time? That's an almost impossible argument.
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Halifax2TheMax said:And yet Jared Dear Boy had to revise and resubmit his security clearance application 6 times and ultimately had it revoked. But lets worry about Hunter Biden's gun background check. Last time I checked, that crime didn't get you "thrown in a dark hole." And yes, he should be prosecuted for that just like every other gun loving 'Murican who lies on their federal gun purchase background check. What's Chelsea been up to of late?The Hunter gun background check was one good example. I was guaranteed that what I said could be picked apart so I figured that was a good one to start off with... Isn't that right @mrussel1If you want to talk about Jared, that's OK but that is deflection.0
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mrussel1 said:
1. What does this have to do with his laptop?JB16057 said:mrussel1 said:
Oh and please tell me the specific crime Hunter committed that would get you and I thrown in a dark hole. I guarantee I can pick apart your argument with basic legal and statutory knowledge.JB16057 said:mrussel1 said:
To the others, this was first reported by Politico, not the Post. But more importantly:JB16057 said:It's bad enough when social media platforms hide stories but it's even worse when the officials we are supposed to trust do the same. Not everything about this election was on the up and up.
1. It's a long standing Justice Dept policy not to pursue investigations during a federal election year that could be deemed to provide one political candidate an advantage over another. This should not be news to you and this clearly would fall into that category. The investigations would continue after the election.
2. The decision maker in this case was a Trump appointed US Attorney
3. The DOJ was under Trump
So what we have here is a Trump official following DOJ policy. I'm not sure why this would bother you.It bothers me because this isn't justice. Has the investigation started up again? I don't know but what I do know is that Hunter Biden is now selling his "art" for upwards of $500,000. The laptop already showed that he used Joe Biden for pay to play. The laptop shows plenty of damaging evidence that if you or I were caught with, we'd be thrown in a dark hole as we should be.Hunter lied on a federal background check when he purchased a gun by stating that he wasn't addicted to drugs.Do you want stronger gun control? How about we start with enacting the laws that are already in place?
2. How do you prove addiction beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury? You are saying that you or I would definitely have been proven as addicted to drugs and received jail time? That's an almost impossible argument.
And btw, sentencing for a class 5 felony first offense is usually no jail time and a fine of about $2500There are many pictures of Hunter taking pictures of himself taking drugs while on his laptop during the same time period he filled out the gun background check.What you are saying does not "pick apart your argument with basic legal and statutory knowledge" as you guaranteed.
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1. What does this have to do with his laptop?JB16057 said:mrussel1 said:
Oh and please tell me the specific crime Hunter committed that would get you and I thrown in a dark hole. I guarantee I can pick apart your argument with basic legal and statutory knowledge.JB16057 said:mrussel1 said:
To the others, this was first reported by Politico, not the Post. But more importantly:JB16057 said:It's bad enough when social media platforms hide stories but it's even worse when the officials we are supposed to trust do the same. Not everything about this election was on the up and up.
1. It's a long standing Justice Dept policy not to pursue investigations during a federal election year that could be deemed to provide one political candidate an advantage over another. This should not be news to you and this clearly would fall into that category. The investigations would continue after the election.
2. The decision maker in this case was a Trump appointed US Attorney
3. The DOJ was under Trump
So what we have here is a Trump official following DOJ policy. I'm not sure why this would bother you.It bothers me because this isn't justice. Has the investigation started up again? I don't know but what I do know is that Hunter Biden is now selling his "art" for upwards of $500,000. The laptop already showed that he used Joe Biden for pay to play. The laptop shows plenty of damaging evidence that if you or I were caught with, we'd be thrown in a dark hole as we should be.Hunter lied on a federal background check when he purchased a gun by stating that he wasn't addicted to drugs.Do you want stronger gun control? How about we start with enacting the laws that are already in place?
2. How do you prove addiction beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury? You are saying that you or I would definitely have been proven as addicted to drugs and received jail time? That's an almost impossible argument.
And btw, sentencing for a class 5 felony first offense is usually no jail time and a fine of about $2500If Hunter's gun issues weren't a big deal, why did the secret service get involved? https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/25/sources-secret-service-inserted-itself-into-case-of-hunter-bidens-gun-477879America has a big enough problem with guns but this kind of thing gets overlooked every day so it is a big deal no matter how much jail time or how much the fine would be.How about Hunter violating FARA?0 -
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Again, how do you prove addiction beyond a reasonable doubt? No prosecutor would take that to court. Not as a 5th degree felony. He would have to be proved as an addict and he knowingly lied on the app.JB16057 said:mrussel1 said:
1. What does this have to do with his laptop?JB16057 said:mrussel1 said:
Oh and please tell me the specific crime Hunter committed that would get you and I thrown in a dark hole. I guarantee I can pick apart your argument with basic legal and statutory knowledge.JB16057 said:mrussel1 said:
To the others, this was first reported by Politico, not the Post. But more importantly:JB16057 said:It's bad enough when social media platforms hide stories but it's even worse when the officials we are supposed to trust do the same. Not everything about this election was on the up and up.
1. It's a long standing Justice Dept policy not to pursue investigations during a federal election year that could be deemed to provide one political candidate an advantage over another. This should not be news to you and this clearly would fall into that category. The investigations would continue after the election.
2. The decision maker in this case was a Trump appointed US Attorney
3. The DOJ was under Trump
So what we have here is a Trump official following DOJ policy. I'm not sure why this would bother you.It bothers me because this isn't justice. Has the investigation started up again? I don't know but what I do know is that Hunter Biden is now selling his "art" for upwards of $500,000. The laptop already showed that he used Joe Biden for pay to play. The laptop shows plenty of damaging evidence that if you or I were caught with, we'd be thrown in a dark hole as we should be.Hunter lied on a federal background check when he purchased a gun by stating that he wasn't addicted to drugs.Do you want stronger gun control? How about we start with enacting the laws that are already in place?
2. How do you prove addiction beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury? You are saying that you or I would definitely have been proven as addicted to drugs and received jail time? That's an almost impossible argument.
And btw, sentencing for a class 5 felony first offense is usually no jail time and a fine of about $2500There are many pictures of Hunter taking pictures of himself taking drugs while on his laptop during the same time period he filled out the gun background check.What you are saying does not "pick apart your argument with basic legal and statutory knowledge" as you guaranteed.Post edited by mrussel1 on0 -
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So the secret service is now a prosecutorial body? This proves nothing related to guilt.JB16057 said:mrussel1 said:
1. What does this have to do with his laptop?JB16057 said:mrussel1 said:
Oh and please tell me the specific crime Hunter committed that would get you and I thrown in a dark hole. I guarantee I can pick apart your argument with basic legal and statutory knowledge.JB16057 said:mrussel1 said:
To the others, this was first reported by Politico, not the Post. But more importantly:JB16057 said:It's bad enough when social media platforms hide stories but it's even worse when the officials we are supposed to trust do the same. Not everything about this election was on the up and up.
1. It's a long standing Justice Dept policy not to pursue investigations during a federal election year that could be deemed to provide one political candidate an advantage over another. This should not be news to you and this clearly would fall into that category. The investigations would continue after the election.
2. The decision maker in this case was a Trump appointed US Attorney
3. The DOJ was under Trump
So what we have here is a Trump official following DOJ policy. I'm not sure why this would bother you.It bothers me because this isn't justice. Has the investigation started up again? I don't know but what I do know is that Hunter Biden is now selling his "art" for upwards of $500,000. The laptop already showed that he used Joe Biden for pay to play. The laptop shows plenty of damaging evidence that if you or I were caught with, we'd be thrown in a dark hole as we should be.Hunter lied on a federal background check when he purchased a gun by stating that he wasn't addicted to drugs.Do you want stronger gun control? How about we start with enacting the laws that are already in place?
2. How do you prove addiction beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury? You are saying that you or I would definitely have been proven as addicted to drugs and received jail time? That's an almost impossible argument.
And btw, sentencing for a class 5 felony first offense is usually no jail time and a fine of about $2500If Hunter's gun issues weren't a big deal, why did the secret service get involved? https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/25/sources-secret-service-inserted-itself-into-case-of-hunter-bidens-gun-477879America has a big enough problem with guns but this kind of thing gets overlooked every day so it is a big deal no matter how much jail time or how much the fine would be.How about Hunter violating FARA?Post edited by mrussel1 on0 -
How is it a deflection? You seem to have latched onto a NY Post story, of all sources, and are trying to insinuate that there's some really dark and nefarious shit going down with Hunter Biden and POTUS, and the laptop and his art. Regarding the laptop, the source you cited, has a "history" if you will (see my previous post). When challenged, you switched to purported drug use/addiction and point to pictures on Hunter's lap top as evidence. Do you know for certain those were drugs/illegal substances? That "evidence" would get tossed out of court and no jury would convict based solely upon pictures on a laptop.JB16057 said:Halifax2TheMax said:And yet Jared Dear Boy had to revise and resubmit his security clearance application 6 times and ultimately had it revoked. But lets worry about Hunter Biden's gun background check. Last time I checked, that crime didn't get you "thrown in a dark hole." And yes, he should be prosecuted for that just like every other gun loving 'Murican who lies on their federal gun purchase background check. What's Chelsea been up to of late?The Hunter gun background check was one good example. I was guaranteed that what I said could be picked apart so I figured that was a good one to start off with... Isn't that right @mrussel1If you want to talk about Jared, that's OK but that is deflection.
Hunter Biden is a private citizen who's dad just happens to be the legitimately elected POTUS. Hunter is not a member of the Administration and has not been tasked with any official duties. There is no evidence that Hunter's previous relationships, board memberships or art sales have resulted in a quid pro quo or any type of influence on US policy, domestic or foreign. Jared Dear Boy, on the other hand, was a special envoy/assistant/general fuck up of major proportions and had the POOTWH's ear. And yet he needed six tries to get his security clearance application right and wasn't "thrown in a dark hole" for lying on it, particularly the parts about meeting with Russians.
What exactly is the allegation that you're trying to make about the Bidens? The thread title is Biden vs POOTWH 2020 so Jared Dear Boy is relevant and not a deflection. Should Hunter Biden be treated differently because his dad is a lib POTUS?
Whole lot of "responsible" gun ownership going on.
POOTWH's DOJ (from 9/11/2018):If you lied to buy a firearm, fear not the feds.
Your chances of being prosecuted by the Justice Department for falsifying information to illegally buy a gun are almost zero.
Reviews by the National Instant Criminal Background Check System in fiscal 2017 led to 112,000 gun-purchase denials because people were in forbidden categories, according to a new report by the Government Accountability Office (GAO). The Justice Department’s Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) investigated 12,700 of those cases.
How many of the investigated cases resulted in prosecutions?
Twelve.
That’s 0.09 percent of the cases ATF investigated.
That means the crooks, the wife beaters and the homicidal maniacs who lie to get a gun have little reason to worry that Uncle Sam will get them for faking on Form 4473. It lists nine questions designed to cull those who should not be strapped. The questions include: “Have you ever been convicted in any court of a felony,” “Are you a fugitive from justice,” and “Have you ever been adjudicated as a mental defective.”
That raises this question from Avery Gardiner, co-president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence: “If it's official DOJ policy to enforce existing gun laws, why isn't the government following its own policy?”
Pennsylvania, by comparison, makes Sam look like a real slacker.
While the Justice Department prosecuted only a dozen cases, the Quaker State had 472 convictions, not just prosecutions, during fiscal 2017. “In 2014, the state changed its policy to investigate all firearms denials,” the GAO explained.
Attorney General Jeff Sessions attempted to boost prosecutions with a March 12, 2018, memo to U.S. attorneys. “Criminals and other prohibited persons who attempt to thwart the background check process by lying on the required forms threaten to undermine this important crime prevention tool,” he wrote. “Such conduct cannot be tolerated. We must vigilantly protect the integrity of the background check system through appropriate prosecution of those who attempt to circumvent the law.”
Sessions instructed federal prosecutors “to enhance prosecution of cases involving false statements on ATF Form 4473,” which he called “lie-and-try” cases. Lying on the form is a felony that can bring up to 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.
But the DOJ’s deeds fall far short of Sessions’s declarations.
ATF blamed the almost invisible federal prosecution rate on the number of denial cases that more than doubled from fiscal 2011 to 2017 and the time-intensive nature of the investigations.
The GAO’s report said U.S. attorneys “generally do not accept and prosecute denial cases that do not involve aggravating circumstances, as these cases can require significant effort for prosecutors relative to the short length of punishment and may offer little value to public safety because the offender does not obtain the firearm, compared to other cases involving gun violence.”
As the number of denial cases multiplied, investigators did not. The GAO said “ATF data show that special agent staffing across … six selected field divisions collectively only increased by one special agent from fiscal years 2011 through 2017.”
The Justice Department did not respond to a request for comment.
The report “reveals some alarming gaps in how we investigate and prosecute firearms denials,” said Rep. José E. Serrano (N.Y.), the top Democrat on the House Appropriations justice subcommittee, who requested the study. “We need additional investment and improved practices to prevent dangerous individuals from purchasing guns, and to punish them when they attempt to do so.”
Calling the dearth of prosecutions “shocking,” the Brady Campaign’s Gardiner said she agrees with Sessions that existing federal gun laws should be enforced.
“But his Department of Justice is not doing that,” she added.
She wants Justice to aggressively enforce gun laws and Congress to be more aggressive in its oversight.
After suing the department to get records related to background checks, the Brady Campaign found the laws are repeatedly and openly flouted.
“In those documents, we've seen time and time again dealers going ahead and transferring guns when someone answered a question on background check form ‘I am a felon,’ ‘I am subject to a restraining order,’ ‘I was dishonorably discharged from the military,’ ” Gardiner said in a phone interview. “So, people who are not allowed to buy guns are actually answering the form honestly and still get a gun.”
In a letter to Sessions in March, she and co-president Kris Brown said the documents point to the need for Justice to focus on dealers as well as buyers.
“These documents confirm that ATF has already identified many gun dealers that repeatedly engage in knowing or negligent straw transactions, but many of them are allowed to keep their licenses to sell guns,” they wrote. “Not only have these gun dealers evaded prosecution for their criminal acts, but they also remain in business profiting from illegal gun sales, where they can continue to supply firearms to those who criminally traffic them. As an urgent matter of public safety, the Department of Justice must address these gun dealers through prosecutions and license revocations.”
This situation, Gardiner said, is not a battle line between those favoring gun control and gun rights.
“None of the gun rights supporters that I speak to think that felons should have easy access to guns,” she said.
The National Rifle Association had no comment.
Lying to buy a gun? Don’t worry about the feds. - The Washington Post
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