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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,303
    Biden
     https://apnews.com/article/business-government-and-politics-arizona-election-2020-e6158cd1b0c6442716064e6791b4c6fc

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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    Biden
    Tommy went to see Joe.  He never went to see Don.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,303
    Biden
    https://apnews.com/article/business-government-and-politics-arizona-election-2020-e6158cd1b0c6442716064e6791b4c6fc
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  • mickeyrat
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    Biden

    Pennsylvania Republican blasts election audit, rebukes fraud claims

    Nathan Layne

    (Reuters) -A Republican lawmaker in Pennsylvania has come out against his colleagues’ “forensic” audit of the 2020 election, becoming the party’s first statewide official to publicly call for an end to the effort and warn of electoral consequences.

    Voters fill out their ballots on Election Day in Conshohocken, Pennsylvania, U.S., November 3, 2020. REUTERS/Rachel Wisniewski

    In an op-ed on Thursday, state Senator Dan Laughlin says that moves to investigate Donald Trump’s loss to President Joe Biden in the state are being made “absent credible evidence of fraud” and won’t change the outcome, as some voters hope.

    “The current attempt to discredit the 2020 election results runs headlong into an unmistakable truth,” wrote Laughlin, a centre-right Republican from Erie County. “Donald Trump lost Pennsylvania because Donald Trump received fewer votes.”

    His comments mark a rare public rebuke of Republican state Senator Doug Mastriano from within his own party. Mastriano has been arguing for a comprehensive “forensic” investigation involving the inspection of voting equipment, modeled on a contentious partisan probe ongoing in Maricopa County, Arizona.

    Mastriano, who has promoted Trump’s baseless stolen-election claims, launched the investigation earlier this month with requests to Tioga, Philadelphia and York counties for access to their voting machines. Mastriano has said he would subpoena the counties if they did not comply by July 31.

    Tioga and York have indicated they would not comply after the state’s top election official said she would decertify their voting equipment if they were handed over to a third party, triggering large costs for taxpayers. Philadelphia is also expected to reject Mastriano’s request after debating the issue at a commissioner’s meeting on Friday.

    On Thursday, Tioga sent a letter to Mastriano saying it remained open to cooperating if he could arrange for funding to cover the $1 million it needed to buy new machines after the state’s expected decertification. The rural county of about 40,000 people said it must have new equipment in place by Aug. 20 to be ready for elections later this year.


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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    edited July 2021
    Biden
    Speaking as someone who lives in the Philly suburbs, which largely swung PA to Biden (YOU'RE WELCOME, AMERICA)...doing this bogus audit feels like a good way to motivate independents and dems who might otherwise not be so motivative in a midterm election to get to the polling booths.

    It's just a hunch.


    I just cannot believe how Mickey Mouse the Republican party has become over the last twenty plus years or so since I became a registered voter. Like today, with their stupid mask protest in the capitol building. The problem is keeping reasonable people engaged. The republicans can always count on a frenzied base of culture warrior morons who are engaged 24/7. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    Biden
    why does anyone give a fuck about hunter? the only reason I criticized ivanka was because of her status in the white house. I couldn't give two shits about beavis and butthead (don jr and eric). ivanka directly used her white house role as a way to make millions. "buh buh buh hunter sells art". who gives a fuck. 
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    Biden
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    why does anyone give a fuck about hunter? the only reason I criticized ivanka was because of her status in the white house. I couldn't give two shits about beavis and butthead (don jr and eric). ivanka directly used her white house role as a way to make millions. "buh buh buh hunter sells art". who gives a fuck. 
    Well Beavis and Butthead run a company that the former president never fully divested from so we rightfully should've cared more about them than Hunter. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    Biden
    The Juggler said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    why does anyone give a fuck about hunter? the only reason I criticized ivanka was because of her status in the white house. I couldn't give two shits about beavis and butthead (don jr and eric). ivanka directly used her white house role as a way to make millions. "buh buh buh hunter sells art". who gives a fuck. 
    Well Beavis and Butthead run a company that the former president never fully divested from so we rightfully should've cared more about them than Hunter. 
    in that instance I care more about the president, not his sons. those two idiots couldn't run a race, nevermind a company. 
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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    Biden
    As DMX once said...they weren't running a damned thing but their mouths.
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,609
    Biden
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    The Juggler said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    why does anyone give a fuck about hunter? the only reason I criticized ivanka was because of her status in the white house. I couldn't give two shits about beavis and butthead (don jr and eric). ivanka directly used her white house role as a way to make millions. "buh buh buh hunter sells art". who gives a fuck. 
    Well Beavis and Butthead run a company that the former president never fully divested from so we rightfully should've cared more about them than Hunter. 
    in that instance I care more about the president, not his sons. those two idiots couldn't run a race, nevermind a company. 
    But they were actually a part of the administration. So they're fair game and what they do is important. Of course the First Daughter and First Son in Law were arguably both in the top-5 most important people in America.  Nepotism is one of several fascist characteristics of that administration.

    Hunter is 1) a meaningless distraction and 2) a GOP projection.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    Biden
    OnWis97 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    The Juggler said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    why does anyone give a fuck about hunter? the only reason I criticized ivanka was because of her status in the white house. I couldn't give two shits about beavis and butthead (don jr and eric). ivanka directly used her white house role as a way to make millions. "buh buh buh hunter sells art". who gives a fuck. 
    Well Beavis and Butthead run a company that the former president never fully divested from so we rightfully should've cared more about them than Hunter. 
    in that instance I care more about the president, not his sons. those two idiots couldn't run a race, nevermind a company. 
    But they were actually a part of the administration. So they're fair game and what they do is important. Of course the First Daughter and First Son in Law were arguably both in the top-5 most important people in America.  Nepotism is one of several fascist characteristics of that administration.

    Hunter is 1) a meaningless distraction and 2) a GOP projection.
    don jr and eric were part of the admin? news to me. 
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    Biden
    All I was saying is they mattered more than Hunter simply because they were running the business the former president never divested from. In addition---though they were not part of the administration, they were/are an extremely vocal mouthpiece of his political machine whereas Hunter is not. 
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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    Biden
    I've seen worse art.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    Biden
    The Juggler said:
    All I was saying is they mattered more than Hunter simply because they were running the business the former president never divested from. In addition---though they were not part of the administration, they were/are an extremely vocal mouthpiece of his political machine whereas Hunter is not. 
    gotcha. 
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,303
    Biden
    didnt see that coming.....(eyeroll)


    'Botched': Arizona GOP's ballot count ends, troubles persist
    By JONATHAN J. COOPER
    Today

    PHOENIX (AP) — Arizona Republicans’ partisan review of the 2020 election results got off to a rocky start when their contractors broke rules for counting ballots and election experts warned the work was dangerous for democracy.

    When the auditors stopped the counting and returned the ballots this week, it hadn't gotten better. In the last week alone, the only audit leader with substantial election experience was locked out of the building, went on the radio to say he was quitting, then reversed course hours later. The review's Twitter accounts were suspended for breaking the rules. A conservative Republican senator withdrew her support, calling the process “botched.” And the lead auditor confirmed what was long suspected: that his work was almost entirely paid for by supporters of Donald Trump who were active in the former president’s movement to spread false narratives of fraud.

    All this came nearly 100 days into a process that was supposed to take “about 60 days," according to the Senate Republicans who launched it. And it's not over yet. Contractors are now producing a report on the findings that could take weeks or more to write.

    The turmoil casts even more doubt on the conclusions of what backers describe as a “forensic audit" but what experts and critics say is a deeply flawed, partisan process.

    “Not even a shred of being salvaged at this point,” said Sen. Paul Boyer, the first Republican state senator to publicly come out against the audit in May. “They’ve botched it at so many points along the way that it's irrecoverable.”

    Boyer's opposition became less lonely last weekend when another Republican, Sen. Michelle Ugenti-Rita, one of the Legislature's strongest advocates for stricter voting laws, agreed that “the Trump audit” was “botched.” Along with all 14 Democrats, a majority of the Senate, which commissioned the audit, is now against it.

    “I wanted to review our election processes and see what, if anything, could be improved,” Ugenti-Rita wrote on Twitter. “Sadly, it's now become clear that the audit has been botched.”

    The review includes a hand count of ballots, the analysis of voter data and a review of ballot-counting machines. It's being led by Cyber Ninjas, a software security consultant with no election experience before Trump began trying to overturn the 2020 results. Its owner, Doug Logan, has supported the movement to spread false conspiracies about the vote count in battleground states.

    On Wednesday night, Logan ended months of silence about who was paying him when he said a whopping $5.7 million had been contributed by political groups run by prominent Trump supporters including Michael Flynn, Sidney Powell, Patrick Byrne and correspondents from One America News Network. The figure dwarfs the $150,000 to be paid by the Senate.

    Logan has said he was approaching the review objectively and his own views are irrelevant. Still, Logan appeared in “The Deep Rig,” a conspiratorial film claiming the election was stolen from Trump. The filmmakers were given access to restricted areas of the ballot-counting operation, including the secure area where ballots were stored.

    The review's integrity took another hit when former Secretary of State Ken Bennett, a Republican whose experience in elections lent credibility to the operation, found himself locked out of the building where the audit was underway because he'd given outside election experts data without authorization, he said.

    Bennett told a conservative talk-radio host that he was quitting because he was expected to rubber-stamp the findings. Later the same day, he said he was not quitting after all. Senate President Karen Fann, a Republican, agreed Bennett “will have full access to all audit work spaces, procedures, and data.”

    When the Cyber Ninjas’ hand count of ballots didn’t match the county’s official tally, a third count was ordered, this time using paper-counting machines to tally the number of ballots but not the winning candidates. The findings have not been released.

    Meanwhile, the timeline for a final report, most recently expected in late July, has continued slipping.

    Supporters of the effort blame stonewalling by Maricopa County. The county's Republican leaders refuse to cooperate, saying “competent auditors” have everything they would need to fully review the vote count.

    “It is unfortunate that the county has been recalcitrant,” Republican Sen. Warren Petersen, chair of the Judiciary Committee that issued subpoenas, said recently. “That doesn’t breed trust. It slows things down. It makes things difficult.”

    Twitter this week suspended audit-related accounts, including the Arizona review's official account and several others seeking similar reviews in other states. A Twitter spokesperson said the accounts were suspended “for violating the Twitter rules on platform manipulation and spam.”

    The U.S. Justice Department has weighed in, warning any state that is looking to conduct an Arizona-style review that they will need to follow federal law that requires officials to retain and preserve election records, including ballot and ballot materials, for 22 months.

    Earlier, Justice Department officials had alerted Arizona officials of the federal requirement. At this point, the Justice Department has not taken any public action beyond the letter. A Justice Department spokesperson this week declined to comment further.

    “It’s being purported as though this effort is going to build confidence in our elections, when we know that that is not the motivation behind any of this,” said Tammy Patrick, a senior adviser at the Democracy Fund and a former Maricopa County elections official. “Because if that was the case, then they would tell the truth.”

    The operation got off to a rocky start on day one. A journalist pointed out that workers were using blue pens in violation of a fundamental rule of election administration. Blue and black pens are strictly prohibited near ballots because those are the colors voters are told to use, creating the potential for workers to manipulate the count.

    Days later, a former Republican state lawmaker who lost his reelection bid — and who would have been a Trump elector to the Electoral College had Trump won — was among the workers counting ballots. The auditors chased conspiracy theories, for a time shining ultraviolet lights to look for watermarks on ballots and taking high-resolution photographs to look for evidence, such as bamboo fibers in the paper, that fraudulent ballots from Asia were slipped into the stack.

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  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    Biden
    Republicans gave Chelsea and the Obama's kids hell

    They are just truly awful people.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,005
    Biden
    impeachbiden is trending on twitter.

    so i guess that means that the trumpers are now agreeing that biden is in fact actually the president.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 41,983
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    impeachbiden is trending on twitter.

    so i guess that means that the trumpers are now agreeing that biden is in fact actually the president.
    Deplorables aren’t logical.
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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    Biden
    basically...

    Biden praises US Olympians while Trump is only vocal when they lose


    https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/08/opinions/olympics-trump-uswnt-rapinoe-fox-obeidallah/index.html
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,609
    Biden
    ikiT said:
    basically...

    Biden praises US Olympians while Trump is only vocal when they lose


    https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/08/opinions/olympics-trump-uswnt-rapinoe-fox-obeidallah/index.html
    Yet somehow Trump has a superhuman love for America, a country that Biden hates.
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