Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!
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Bideni see trump is still doing his job as hater in chief."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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shit sandwichCM189191 said:
Seriously, this kind of shortsightedness has cost 2 supreme court justice seats, and countless federal judge appointments.pjl44 said:
I should have listened to @JW269453CM189191 said:
🙄pjl44 said:
I only picked sitting out because there was no Libertarian option. If Amash runs and gets the nomination, easy one for me. If it's Jim Gray, I'd vote for him but not be terribly passionate. The rest of the field is no bueno and I'm back to sitting out.CM189191 said:
Seems like voting voting Biden is the logical option for you then. Voting D obviously gets the country closer to where you want it to be. It may not be the perfect option, but it's a compromise. And that's what our government is built on.pjl44 said:
I can't think of anything that could get me to vote for TrumpCM189191 said:
Thx for thoughtful answer.pjl44 said:
Pick Jared Polis as VP? The Democrats this cycle, Biden included, haven't really focused on issues that I look to them for - less militarism, criminal justice reform, drug policy. There's been much more of a focus on stuff I disagree with - government run health care to varying degrees, student loan forgiveness, etc. A lot of stuff that I think is bad economic policy.CM189191 said:
What would it take to get you to vote for Trump?
What would it take for you not to 'sit this one out'?
I don't understand why any citizen would do that.
Biden doesn't bring anything to the table for me, like I said. My support would be about Polis, which is not a thing that's going to happen. I could have similarly explained all the ways Republicans have drifted away from the things I relied on them for, but I'm pretty sure no one around here is interested in that.
The US government is a two-party system. Our checks and balances lie in the three branches of government. We are not a multi-party system. Voting libertarian represents a fundamental misunderstanding of how our government functions.
These are lifetime appointments that will take a generation to fix.
Because people with your Veruca Salt mentality would rather cut their nose off to spite their face.
Lifetime appointments that will side in favor of more militarism, no criminal justice reform, no drug policy reform. You get nothing.
Fundamental lack of understanding of how our government functions. Enjoy your shit sandwich.0 -
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....sigh....myoung321 said:Biden or Trump...honesty, whats the difference?.. Yeah I'm in that kinda mood today! hahaha
Will either help and fight for workers? NO...
Will either push for an improved healthcare system that covers all Americans? NO......
Will both continue bailouts for Corporations? Yes....
Will either enact policies and taxes that will help rise up and give security to the lower and middle class? NO...
Will either fight to reverse their own parties policies of the last 50 years to fix the problems caused by letting corporations dictate law through a corrupt system? NO......
Will either break up the big monopolies that have been allowed to form once again? No.....(How many times must we learn this lesson?)
So then what's the difference between the two? A big D or R next to their names? GO TEAM!!!!
One is the village idiot and the other is a plagiarizing life long politician with a clear record of not helping anyone but the donor class and his own career ... not just Biden.. Since pandemic both Hillary Clinton and Pelosi both have yelled "OPEN THE OBAMACARE EXCHANGES!(That worse than "Let them eat cake" its more like.... "Let them buy cake" )
I know I'll get yelled at... But it's TRUMP... but But but..I know.. I hate him too....
Bottom line... A real leader is either going to fight for the people, some even willing to give their lives in that pursuit. or they're aren't and are part of the broke system. ... right now in American history I don't see anyone fighting for the people..
So yeah I'll vote Biden.. then go home and wash my hands a bunch of times to try to wash the dirty feeling away...
WE NEED A 3rd PARTY!!!!!!!
The US isn't set up to be a multiparty system. The checks and balances are in the 3 branches of government. There will never ever ever be a viable 3rd party option, or 3 party system of government here.
The last election cost us 2 Supreme Court seats and countless lifetime appointments to federal judges. This will now take an entire generation to undo.
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Absolutely correct. The only solutions are winning local elections to protect states in teh short term and federal elections to create a federal 'choice' law, federal marriage law, etc. The supremacy clause is well established (for now) so hopefully there isn't a way that a state could circumvent the fed.CM189191 said:CM189191 said:
....sigh....myoung321 said:Biden or Trump...honesty, whats the difference?.. Yeah I'm in that kinda mood today! hahaha
Will either help and fight for workers? NO...
Will either push for an improved healthcare system that covers all Americans? NO......
Will both continue bailouts for Corporations? Yes....
Will either enact policies and taxes that will help rise up and give security to the lower and middle class? NO...
Will either fight to reverse their own parties policies of the last 50 years to fix the problems caused by letting corporations dictate law through a corrupt system? NO......
Will either break up the big monopolies that have been allowed to form once again? No.....(How many times must we learn this lesson?)
So then what's the difference between the two? A big D or R next to their names? GO TEAM!!!!
One is the village idiot and the other is a plagiarizing life long politician with a clear record of not helping anyone but the donor class and his own career ... not just Biden.. Since pandemic both Hillary Clinton and Pelosi both have yelled "OPEN THE OBAMACARE EXCHANGES!(That worse than "Let them eat cake" its more like.... "Let them buy cake" )
I know I'll get yelled at... But it's TRUMP... but But but..I know.. I hate him too....
Bottom line... A real leader is either going to fight for the people, some even willing to give their lives in that pursuit. or they're aren't and are part of the broke system. ... right now in American history I don't see anyone fighting for the people..
So yeah I'll vote Biden.. then go home and wash my hands a bunch of times to try to wash the dirty feeling away...
WE NEED A 3rd PARTY!!!!!!!
The US isn't set up to be a multiparty system. The checks and balances are in the 3 branches of government. There will never ever ever be a viable 3rd party option, or 3 party system of government here.
The last election cost us 2 Supreme Court seats and countless lifetime appointments to federal judges. This will now take an entire generation to undo.0 -
BidenCM189191 said:CM189191 said:
....sigh....myoung321 said:Biden or Trump...honesty, whats the difference?.. Yeah I'm in that kinda mood today! hahaha
Will either help and fight for workers? NO...
Will either push for an improved healthcare system that covers all Americans? NO......
Will both continue bailouts for Corporations? Yes....
Will either enact policies and taxes that will help rise up and give security to the lower and middle class? NO...
Will either fight to reverse their own parties policies of the last 50 years to fix the problems caused by letting corporations dictate law through a corrupt system? NO......
Will either break up the big monopolies that have been allowed to form once again? No.....(How many times must we learn this lesson?)
So then what's the difference between the two? A big D or R next to their names? GO TEAM!!!!
One is the village idiot and the other is a plagiarizing life long politician with a clear record of not helping anyone but the donor class and his own career ... not just Biden.. Since pandemic both Hillary Clinton and Pelosi both have yelled "OPEN THE OBAMACARE EXCHANGES!(That worse than "Let them eat cake" its more like.... "Let them buy cake" )
I know I'll get yelled at... But it's TRUMP... but But but..I know.. I hate him too....
Bottom line... A real leader is either going to fight for the people, some even willing to give their lives in that pursuit. or they're aren't and are part of the broke system. ... right now in American history I don't see anyone fighting for the people..
So yeah I'll vote Biden.. then go home and wash my hands a bunch of times to try to wash the dirty feeling away...
WE NEED A 3rd PARTY!!!!!!!
The US isn't set up to be a multiparty system. The checks and balances are in the 3 branches of government. There will never ever ever be a viable 3rd party option, or 3 party system of government here.
The last election cost us 2 Supreme Court seats and countless lifetime appointments to federal judges. This will now take an entire generation to undo."There will never ever ever be a viable 3rd party option..."If there has been in the past- Millard Fillmore was elected president and was a member of the Whig party- how can we know there will "never ever" be a third party?
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The Whigs were one of the two major parties. There was no R party. It was D and Whig, along with Free Soil party (which received 0 EC votes). If you want to see what a 2+ party system looks like, look at the election of 1824. That led to the "corrupt bargain".brianlux said:CM189191 said:CM189191 said:
....sigh....myoung321 said:Biden or Trump...honesty, whats the difference?.. Yeah I'm in that kinda mood today! hahaha
Will either help and fight for workers? NO...
Will either push for an improved healthcare system that covers all Americans? NO......
Will both continue bailouts for Corporations? Yes....
Will either enact policies and taxes that will help rise up and give security to the lower and middle class? NO...
Will either fight to reverse their own parties policies of the last 50 years to fix the problems caused by letting corporations dictate law through a corrupt system? NO......
Will either break up the big monopolies that have been allowed to form once again? No.....(How many times must we learn this lesson?)
So then what's the difference between the two? A big D or R next to their names? GO TEAM!!!!
One is the village idiot and the other is a plagiarizing life long politician with a clear record of not helping anyone but the donor class and his own career ... not just Biden.. Since pandemic both Hillary Clinton and Pelosi both have yelled "OPEN THE OBAMACARE EXCHANGES!(That worse than "Let them eat cake" its more like.... "Let them buy cake" )
I know I'll get yelled at... But it's TRUMP... but But but..I know.. I hate him too....
Bottom line... A real leader is either going to fight for the people, some even willing to give their lives in that pursuit. or they're aren't and are part of the broke system. ... right now in American history I don't see anyone fighting for the people..
So yeah I'll vote Biden.. then go home and wash my hands a bunch of times to try to wash the dirty feeling away...
WE NEED A 3rd PARTY!!!!!!!
The US isn't set up to be a multiparty system. The checks and balances are in the 3 branches of government. There will never ever ever be a viable 3rd party option, or 3 party system of government here.
The last election cost us 2 Supreme Court seats and countless lifetime appointments to federal judges. This will now take an entire generation to undo."There will never ever ever be a viable 3rd party option..."If there has been in the past- Millard Fillmore was elected president and was a member of the Whig party- how can we know there will "never ever" be a third party?0 -
Bidencome to canada! we have a six party system! and one of them only represents one province! nothing gets done, and that's how we like it! LOLHugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0
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Yep. The two-party system stinks but the electoral college would probably render a third (or more) significant party even worse...at the presidential level, at least. Sure, seven competitive parties sounds great, but we'd never see an electoral college majority.mrussel1 said:
The Whigs were one of the two major parties. There was no R party. It was D and Whig, along with Free Soil party (which received 0 EC votes). If you want to see what a 2+ party system looks like, look at the election of 1824. That led to the "corrupt bargain".brianlux said:CM189191 said:CM189191 said:
....sigh....myoung321 said:Biden or Trump...honesty, whats the difference?.. Yeah I'm in that kinda mood today! hahaha
Will either help and fight for workers? NO...
Will either push for an improved healthcare system that covers all Americans? NO......
Will both continue bailouts for Corporations? Yes....
Will either enact policies and taxes that will help rise up and give security to the lower and middle class? NO...
Will either fight to reverse their own parties policies of the last 50 years to fix the problems caused by letting corporations dictate law through a corrupt system? NO......
Will either break up the big monopolies that have been allowed to form once again? No.....(How many times must we learn this lesson?)
So then what's the difference between the two? A big D or R next to their names? GO TEAM!!!!
One is the village idiot and the other is a plagiarizing life long politician with a clear record of not helping anyone but the donor class and his own career ... not just Biden.. Since pandemic both Hillary Clinton and Pelosi both have yelled "OPEN THE OBAMACARE EXCHANGES!(That worse than "Let them eat cake" its more like.... "Let them buy cake" )
I know I'll get yelled at... But it's TRUMP... but But but..I know.. I hate him too....
Bottom line... A real leader is either going to fight for the people, some even willing to give their lives in that pursuit. or they're aren't and are part of the broke system. ... right now in American history I don't see anyone fighting for the people..
So yeah I'll vote Biden.. then go home and wash my hands a bunch of times to try to wash the dirty feeling away...
WE NEED A 3rd PARTY!!!!!!!
The US isn't set up to be a multiparty system. The checks and balances are in the 3 branches of government. There will never ever ever be a viable 3rd party option, or 3 party system of government here.
The last election cost us 2 Supreme Court seats and countless lifetime appointments to federal judges. This will now take an entire generation to undo."There will never ever ever be a viable 3rd party option..."If there has been in the past- Millard Fillmore was elected president and was a member of the Whig party- how can we know there will "never ever" be a third party?1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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HughFreakingDillon said:come to canada! we have a six party system! and one of them only represents one province! nothing gets done, and that's how we like it! LOLI don’t think they’d let many PJ fans in, as most of us are well over 45. Heck, I’m between Ed and Mike, so no way a wealthy country like Canada is letting me in. Wish I knew that when I was younger, I could have moved to maybe Ottawa, or perhaps Perth. I really like the warmer climate, but the chance to live in Metropolis Noir speaks to me
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The Whigs were one of the two major parties. There was no R party. It was D and Whig, along with Free Soil party (which received 0 EC votes). If you want to see what a 2+ party system looks like, look at the election of 1824. That led to the "corrupt bargain".brianlux said:CM189191 said:CM189191 said:
....sigh....myoung321 said:Biden or Trump...honesty, whats the difference?.. Yeah I'm in that kinda mood today! hahaha
Will either help and fight for workers? NO...
Will either push for an improved healthcare system that covers all Americans? NO......
Will both continue bailouts for Corporations? Yes....
Will either enact policies and taxes that will help rise up and give security to the lower and middle class? NO...
Will either fight to reverse their own parties policies of the last 50 years to fix the problems caused by letting corporations dictate law through a corrupt system? NO......
Will either break up the big monopolies that have been allowed to form once again? No.....(How many times must we learn this lesson?)
So then what's the difference between the two? A big D or R next to their names? GO TEAM!!!!
One is the village idiot and the other is a plagiarizing life long politician with a clear record of not helping anyone but the donor class and his own career ... not just Biden.. Since pandemic both Hillary Clinton and Pelosi both have yelled "OPEN THE OBAMACARE EXCHANGES!(That worse than "Let them eat cake" its more like.... "Let them buy cake" )
I know I'll get yelled at... But it's TRUMP... but But but..I know.. I hate him too....
Bottom line... A real leader is either going to fight for the people, some even willing to give their lives in that pursuit. or they're aren't and are part of the broke system. ... right now in American history I don't see anyone fighting for the people..
So yeah I'll vote Biden.. then go home and wash my hands a bunch of times to try to wash the dirty feeling away...
WE NEED A 3rd PARTY!!!!!!!
The US isn't set up to be a multiparty system. The checks and balances are in the 3 branches of government. There will never ever ever be a viable 3rd party option, or 3 party system of government here.
The last election cost us 2 Supreme Court seats and countless lifetime appointments to federal judges. This will now take an entire generation to undo."There will never ever ever be a viable 3rd party option..."If there has been in the past- Millard Fillmore was elected president and was a member of the Whig party- how can we know there will "never ever" be a third party?
Well OK, then. I'm a little more educated today, thanks!
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Winnipeg is really nice no time of year! and it's flat AF! you can see saskatchewan from yer house!Lerxst1992 said:HughFreakingDillon said:come to canada! we have a six party system! and one of them only represents one province! nothing gets done, and that's how we like it! LOLI don’t think they’d let many PJ fans in, as most of us are well over 45. Heck, I’m between Ed and Mike, so no way a wealthy country like Canada is letting me in. Wish I knew that when I was younger, I could have moved to maybe Ottawa, or perhaps Perth. I really like the warmer climate, but the chance to live in Metropolis Noir speaks to me Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
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I looked into it in 2016 when I was (slightly) short of 45. It would have been really difficult for someone my age with education but no particularly special skills (my wife, a social worker would have maybe had a slightly better shot). I honestly don't know if we'd have done it if moving to Toronto was roughly as easy as moving to Nashville but it was disheartening to know that it wasn't really an option.Lerxst1992 said:HughFreakingDillon said:come to canada! we have a six party system! and one of them only represents one province! nothing gets done, and that's how we like it! LOLI don’t think they’d let many PJ fans in, as most of us are well over 45. Heck, I’m between Ed and Mike, so no way a wealthy country like Canada is letting me in. Wish I knew that when I was younger, I could have moved to maybe Ottawa, or perhaps Perth. I really like the warmer climate, but the chance to live in Metropolis Noir speaks to me 1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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The US isn't set up to be a multiparty system. The checks and balances are in the 3 branches of government. There will never ever ever be a viable 3rd party option, or 3 party system of government here.
The last election cost us 2 Supreme Court seats and countless lifetime appointments to federal judges. This will now take an entire generation to undo.0 -
CM189191 said:Seriously, this kind of shortsightedness has cost 2 supreme court justice seats, and countless federal judge appointments.
These are lifetime appointments that will take a generation to fix.
Because people with your Veruca Salt mentality would rather cut their nose off to spite their face.
Lifetime appointments that will side in favor of more militarism, no criminal justice reform, no drug policy reform. You get nothing.
Fundamental lack of understanding of how our government functions. Enjoy your shit sandwich.0 -
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Biden2022 Midterm elections Elections Crime Donald Trump Georgia Presidential elections Atlanta Election 2020 General elections Subpoenas Lindsey Graham Congress Government and politicsJudge: Sen. Graham must testify in Georgia election probeBy KATE BRUMBACK18 mins ago
ATLANTA (AP) — A federal judge on Monday said U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham must testify before a special grand jury in Atlanta that is investigating whether then-President Donald Trump and his allies broke any laws while trying to overturn his narrow 2020 general election loss in the state.
Attorneys for Graham, R-S.C., had argued that his position as a U.S. senator provided him immunity from having to appear before the investigative panel and asked the judge to quash his subpoena. But U.S. District Judge Leigh Martin May wrote in an order Monday that immunities related to his role as a senator do not protect him from having to testify. Graham's subpoena instructs him to appear before the special grand jury on Aug. 23, but his office said Monday he plans to appeal to the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis opened the investigation last year, and a special grand jury with subpoena power was seated at her request this year. Last month she filed petitions seeking to compel testimony from seven Trump advisers and associates.
Prosecutors have indicated they want to ask Graham about phone calls they say he made to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger and his staff in the weeks following Trump's election loss to Democrat Joe Biden.
Graham had argued that a provision of the Constitution provides absolute protection against a senator being questioned about legislative acts. But the judge found there are “considerable areas of potential grand jury inquiry” that fall outside that provision’s scope. The judge also rejected Graham’s argument that the principle of “sovereign immunity” protects a senator from being summoned by a state prosecutor.
Graham also argued that Willis, a Democrat, had not demonstrated extraordinary circumstances necessary to compel testimony from a high-ranking official. But the judge disagreed, finding that Willis has shown “extraordinary circumstances and a special need” for Graham’s testimony on issues related to an alleged attempt to influence or disrupt the election in Georgia.
May, the judge, last month rejected a similar attempt by U.S. Rep. Jody Hice, R-Ga., to avoid testifying before the special grand jury. Former New York mayor and Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani had argued he couldn't travel to Atlanta to testify because of health issues, but Fulton County Superior Court Judge Robert McBurney, who's overseeing the special grand jury, instructed him to appear on Wednesday.
Graham's office said in a statement Monday that the senator disagrees with the judge's interpretation of the provision of the Constitution he believes protects him from being questioned by a state official. His lawyers have said that he was making inquiries that were clearly part of his legislative duties, related to certification of the vote and to the proposal of election-related legislation.
But the judge wrote that that ignores "the fact that individuals on the calls have publicly suggested that Senator Graham was not simply engaged in legislative factfinding but was instead suggesting or implying that Georgia election officials change their processes or otherwise potentially alter the state’s results.”
In calls made shortly after the 2020 general election, Graham “questioned Secretary Raffensperger and his staff about reexamining certain absentee ballots cast in Georgia in order to explore the possibility of a more favorable outcome for former President Donald Trump,” Willis wrote in a petition.
Graham also “made reference to allegations of widespread voter fraud in the November 2020 election in Georgia, consistent with public statements made by known affiliates of the Trump Campaign,” she wrote.
Republican and Democratic state election officials across the country, courts and even Trump's attorney general found there was no evidence of any voter fraud sufficient to affect the outcome of his 2020 presidential election loss.
Trump-allied lawmakers were planning to challenge the tallies from several battleground states when Congress convened on Jan. 6, 2021, to certify the results under the Electoral Count Act, but after the Capitol attack that day Georgia’s tally was never contested.
Willis has confirmed that the investigation’s scope includes a Jan. 2, 2021, phone call between Trump and Raffensperger during which Trump urged Raffensperger to “find” enough votes to overturn his loss in Georgia.
“I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have,” Trump said during that call.
Trump has denied any wrongdoing and has described his call to Raffensperger as “perfect.”
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Associated Press writers Meg Kinnard in Columbia, S.C., and Lisa Mascaro in Washington contributed reporting.
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Bidengift article
Trump-allied lawyers pursued voting machine data in multiple states, records reveal
By Emma Brown, Jon Swaine, Aaron C. Davis and Amy Gardner
August 15, 2022 at 12:13 ET
A team of computer experts directed by lawyers allied with President Donald Trump copied sensitive data from election systems in Georgia as part of a secretive, multistate effort to access voting equipment that was broader, more organized and more successful than previously reported, according to emails and other records obtained by The Washington Post.
As they worked to overturn Trump’s 2020 election defeat, the lawyers asked a forensic data firm to access county election systems in at least three battleground states, according to the documents and interviews. The firm charged an upfront retainer fee for each job, which in one case was $26,000.
Attorney Sidney Powell sent the team to Michigan to copy a rural county’s election data and later helped arrange for them to do the same in the Detroit area, according to the records. A Trump campaign attorney engaged the team to travel to Nevada. And the day after the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol the team was in southern Georgia, copying data from a Dominion voting system in rural Coffee County.continues....
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Bidengift article.....Another year, another high-profile voter-fraud summit goes bust
By Philip Bump
August 15, 2022 at 13:37 ET
It was just over a year ago that MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell convened supporters and data experts in South Dakota for a multiday summit at which he pledged to show his evidence that foreign actors had interfered in the 2020 election.
As presented, the idea was straightforward: Lindell, who believed fervently that the election had been stolen, would finally offer up the raw information that he claimed showed how voting machines had been hacked and the results altered from overseas. This wasn’t his analysis, obviously; he’d hired guys who said they’d uncovered a pattern that could be replicated by others. But when the moment came … it couldn’t. The data was invalid and/or useless. There was no proof. None has since emerged.
But Lindell was in a corner. He’d kept stringing people along for months, promising a big reveal. Whether he knew he didn’t have anything or not, someone did. And this is how cons work: The stakes keep getting increased until the whole thing collapses.
This episode sprang to mind immediately when I started watching “The Pit,” a symposium held in Arizona over the weekend by 2022′s in-vogue election conspiracy theorists, the leaders of the group True the Vote. Same elevation of hype. Same collapse of what was promised.continues...
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BidenTrump legal adviser ordered to testify in Ga. election probeBy KATE BRUMBACKToday
ATLANTA (AP) — A judge in Colorado on Tuesday ordered a legal adviser for former President Donald Trump's campaign to travel to Georgia to testify before a special grand jury that's looking into whether Trump and others illegally tried to influence the 2020 election in Georgia.
Judge Gregory Lammons in Fort Collins, Colorado, made the decision after holding a hearing on a request from Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis to compel testimony from attorney Jenna Ellis. Prosecutors are interested in Ellis's role in helping to coordinate and plan legislative hearings in Georgia and others states where false allegations of election fraud were pushed, according to testimony in court.
Fulton County prosecutors have purchased plane tickets and made a hotel reservation in preparation for Ellis to testify on Aug. 25.
The investigation, prompted by a January 2021 phone call between Trump and Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, began early last year. During that call, Trump suggested Raffensperger could “find” the votes to overturn his narrow election loss in the state. It has become clear since the special grand jury was seated in May that the focus of the investigation extends well beyond that call.
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Biden2022 Midterm elections Elections Donald Trump Georgia Atlanta Lindsey Graham Congress Government and politicsGraham effort to delay testimony in election probe rejectedBy KATE BRUMBACK1 hour ago
ATLANTA (AP) — A federal judge on Friday said Sen. Lindsey Graham's appearance before a special grand jury investigating whether then-President Donald Trump and others illegally tried to influence the 2020 election in Georgia should not be delayed to allow him to continue to challenge it in court.
Earlier this week, U.S. District Judge Leigh Martin May ordered Graham to honor his subpoena for the special grand jury. Graham's attorneys appealed that order to the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals and asked May to stay her ruling and prohibit the special grand jury from questioning him while that appeal plays out. May declined that request in her order on Friday.
“Under the circumstances, further delay of Senator Graham’s testimony would greatly compound the overall delay in carrying out the grand jury’s investigation,” May wrote. “Further delay thus poses a significant risk of overall hindrance to the grand jury’s investigation, and the Court therefore finds that granting a stay would almost certainly result in material injury to the grand jury and its investigation.”
Graham is currently scheduled to testify on Tuesday. But he still has another motion to stay May's ruling pending before the 11th Circuit.
Representatives for Graham did not immediately respond to messages on Friday seeking comment.
Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis opened the investigation early last year and in July filed petitions seeking to compel testimony from seven Trump advisers and associates, including Graham.
Former New York mayor and Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani, who's been told he's a target of the investigation, testified before the special grand jury for nearly six hours on Wednesday. Two other lawyers who advised Trump, John Eastman and Jenna Ellis, were ordered this week to appear before the panel later this month. Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp filed a motion Wednesday seeking to quash a subpoena for his testimony.
The investigation, originally prompted by a Jan. 2, 2021, phone call between Trump and Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, is one of several pending legal threats Trump faces. Willis has said she's considering seeking to compel the former president himself to testify before the special grand jury.
Attorneys for Graham, a South Carolina Republican, have argued that a provision of the U.S. Constitution provides absolute protection against a senator being questioned about legislative acts. But the judge found there are “considerable areas of potential grand jury inquiry” that fall outside that provision’s scope. The judge also rejected Graham’s argument that the principle of “sovereign immunity” protects a U.S. senator from being summoned by a state prosecutor.
Graham also argued that Willis, a Democrat, had not demonstrated extraordinary circumstances necessary to compel testimony from a high-ranking official. But the judge disagreed, finding that Willis had shown “extraordinary circumstances and a special need” for Graham’s testimony on issues related to an alleged attempt to influence or disrupt the election in Georgia.
Willis and her team have said they want to ask Graham about two phone calls they say he made to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger and his staff shortly after the 2020 general election. During those calls, Graham asked about “reexamining certain absentee ballots cast in Georgia in order to explore the possibility of a more favorable outcome for former President Donald Trump,” Willis wrote in a petition.
Graham also “made reference to allegations of widespread voter fraud in the November 2020 election in Georgia, consistent with public statements made by known affiliates of the Trump Campaign,” she wrote.
Republican and Democratic state election officials across the country, courts and even Trump’s attorney general found there was no evidence of voter fraud sufficient to affect the outcome of the election.
In asking May to stay her decision, Graham's lawyers argued that his rights to immunity would be violated the moment he was questioned.
Willis' team responded that delaying Graham's testimony would harms the investigation. In addition to facts he knows, he's also expected to shed light on other sources of information that the special grand jury may want to pursue, they wrote. So waiting to talk to him “could ultimately delay” the entire investigation.
In the separate motion for a stay filed with the 11th Circuit, Graham's attorneys argue that on Wednesday Chief Senior Assistant District Attorney Donald Wakeford agreed to postpone the scheduled testimony pending the outcome of the appeal. They included a voicemail Wakeford left for Graham attorney Brian Lea.
Lea says in a declaration filed with the motion that later that same afternoon Wakeford confirmed Graham's grand jury appearance wouldn't move forward until the appeal was resolved. But then Wakeford sent an email 20 minutes later “stating that he did not ‘want to characterize the contents of our response before it is written,’” Lea wrote.
Lea said he reached out to Wakeford several more times by phone and email but got no response until Wakeford sent an email at 4:40 a.m. Friday saying the district attorney's office intended to oppose the stay and would argue that Graham should appear before the special grand jury as planned.
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Associated Press writer Meg Kinnard in Columbia, South Carolina, contributed reporting.
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