Police abuse

tempo_n_groove · June 2021

Ledbetterman10 said:

I doubt he has a good reason for kneeing him. Even if he was resisting, there's enough cops on top of him to restrain him without having to come to blows.

Yeah it boggles my mind.

mickeyrat · June 2021

as usual citizen video comes part way in an altercation. provides actual text narrative, which may or may not be accurate. some actions seen are absolutlely egregious.

I want to see first contact and everything that followed.

HughFreakingDillon · June 2021

"take off your backpack!!"
*reaches for backpack*
*gets tazed for reaching for backpack*

Ledbetterman10 · June 2021

HughFreakingDillon said:

"take off your backpack!!"
*reaches for backpack*
*gets tazed for reaching for backpack*

I can't really hear them say "take off your backpack," but his arm motion definitely seems like that's what he was trying to do.

I'd like to see what happened before that. If he was just vaping, he doesn't need to be surrounded by four officers with tasers drawn.

mickeyrat · June 2021

CM189191 · July 2021

Innocent man killed by Minneapolis police

https://bringmethenews.com/.amp/minnesota-news/innocent-man-killed-in-minneapolis-police-crash-idd-as-uncle-of-darnella-frazier

Leneal Frazier was the uncle of Darnella Frazier, the teenager who filmed George Floyd's arrest and his death outside Cup Foods on May 25, 2020.

tempo_n_groove · July 2021

CM189191 said:

Innocent man killed by Minneapolis police

https://bringmethenews.com/.amp/minnesota-news/innocent-man-killed-in-minneapolis-police-crash-idd-as-uncle-of-darnella-frazier

Leneal Frazier was the uncle of Darnella Frazier, the teenager who filmed George Floyd's arrest and his death outside Cup Foods on May 25, 2020.

Not abuse.

CM189191 · July 2021

tempo_n_groove said:

CM189191 said:

Innocent man killed by Minneapolis police

https://bringmethenews.com/.amp/minnesota-news/innocent-man-killed-in-minneapolis-police-crash-idd-as-uncle-of-darnella-frazier

Leneal Frazier was the uncle of Darnella Frazier, the teenager who filmed George Floyd's arrest and his death outside Cup Foods on May 25, 2020.

Not abuse.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/abuse

1) to use wrongly or improperly; misuse:

it's abuse

tempo_n_groove · July 2021

CM189191 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

CM189191 said:

Innocent man killed by Minneapolis police

https://bringmethenews.com/.amp/minnesota-news/innocent-man-killed-in-minneapolis-police-crash-idd-as-uncle-of-darnella-frazier

Leneal Frazier was the uncle of Darnella Frazier, the teenager who filmed George Floyd's arrest and his death outside Cup Foods on May 25, 2020.

Not abuse.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/abuse

1) to use wrongly or improperly; misuse:

it's abuse

The cop accidently crashed into him. What was the cop abusing? His driving? He was chasing down an armed robber.

mace1229 · July 2021

tempo_n_groove said:

CM189191 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

CM189191 said:

Innocent man killed by Minneapolis police

https://bringmethenews.com/.amp/minnesota-news/innocent-man-killed-in-minneapolis-police-crash-idd-as-uncle-of-darnella-frazier

Leneal Frazier was the uncle of Darnella Frazier, the teenager who filmed George Floyd's arrest and his death outside Cup Foods on May 25, 2020.

Not abuse.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/abuse

1) to use wrongly or improperly; misuse:

it's abuse

The cop accidently crashed into him. What was the cop abusing? His driving? He was chasing down an armed robber.

And according to the article, he was following policy on police chases.
“The new policy stipulated that officers would no longer give chase over minor offenses, such was the risk inherent with pursuits. The new policy states that chase may only be given for "a serious and violent felony or gross misdemeanor."
I would think carjacking and robbery fits that. So I don’t see how one could argue following protocol to catch a violent criminal is abuse, even if it does end in tragedy. The robber should, and I assume will be, charged with his death.

mickeyrat · July 2021

situational awareness should also cone into play in these cases

tempo_n_groove · July 2021

mickeyrat said:

situational awareness should also cone into play in these cases

Arguing the situation is like saying Sully could have made it safely back to the airport.

mickeyrat · July 2021

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

situational awareness should also cone into play in these cases

Arguing the situation is like saying Sully could have made it safely back to the airport.

not knowing the complete circumstances of this particular chase, I will say that just because policy allowed an action does mean it should be acted upon in every single instance.

location, time of day, usual traffic patterns, am I the only one giving chase. just a few of the considerations I would hope would be taken into account.

case in point, several years ago local deputy initiates a chase. on a secondary artery. one that runs through 90% residential area. Lot of side streets and alleys. significant % of residents in that area are pedestrian or bicycle riders , as well as far to many kids. Mid day.....

Deputy T-bones and kills a driver uninvolved in the chase , exercising right of way via light from a side street. Deputy was doing well over 100 mph.

Situational awareness was lacking or ignored, cuz hot damn I got a chase. So given those facts in the moment, should that chase have occurred? Local PD had a 6 helicopter fleet then now down to 5. Dont recall if they were called in.

CM189191 · July 2021

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

CM189191 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

CM189191 said:

Innocent man killed by Minneapolis police

https://bringmethenews.com/.amp/minnesota-news/innocent-man-killed-in-minneapolis-police-crash-idd-as-uncle-of-darnella-frazier

Leneal Frazier was the uncle of Darnella Frazier, the teenager who filmed George Floyd's arrest and his death outside Cup Foods on May 25, 2020.

Not abuse.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/abuse

1) to use wrongly or improperly; misuse:

it's abuse

The cop accidently crashed into him. What was the cop abusing? His driving? He was chasing down an armed robber.

And according to the article, he was following policy on police chases.
“The new policy stipulated that officers would no longer give chase over minor offenses, such was the risk inherent with pursuits. The new policy states that chase may only be given for "a serious and violent felony or gross misdemeanor."
I would think carjacking and robbery fits that. So I don’t see how one could argue following protocol to catch a violent criminal is abuse, even if it does end in tragedy. The robber should, and I assume will be, charged with his death.

Just because something is legal, don't make it right

Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/5021252/uploads/editor/9o/nlcom6yqmmwr.png

Here's the intersection where it happened. Residential area.

Cop was reckless.

tempo_n_groove · July 2021

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

situational awareness should also cone into play in these cases

Arguing the situation is like saying Sully could have made it safely back to the airport.

not knowing the complete circumstances of this particular chase, I will say that just because policy allowed an action does mean it should be acted upon in every single instance.

location, time of day, usual traffic patterns, am I the only one giving chase. just a few of the considerations I would hope would be taken into account.

case in point, several years ago local deputy initiates a chase. on a secondary artery. one that runs through 90% residential area. Lot of side streets and alleys. significant % of residents in that area are pedestrian or bicycle riders , as well as far to many kids. Mid day.....

Deputy T-bones and kills a driver uninvolved in the chase , exercising right of way via light from a side street. Deputy was doing well over 100 mph.

Situational awareness was lacking or ignored, cuz hot damn I got a chase. So given those facts in the moment, should that chase have occurred? Local PD had a 6 helicopter fleet then now down to 5. Dont recall if they were called in.

CM189191 said:

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

CM189191 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

CM189191 said:

Innocent man killed by Minneapolis police

https://bringmethenews.com/.amp/minnesota-news/innocent-man-killed-in-minneapolis-police-crash-idd-as-uncle-of-darnella-frazier

Leneal Frazier was the uncle of Darnella Frazier, the teenager who filmed George Floyd's arrest and his death outside Cup Foods on May 25, 2020.

Not abuse.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/abuse

1) to use wrongly or improperly; misuse:

it's abuse

The cop accidently crashed into him. What was the cop abusing? His driving? He was chasing down an armed robber.

And according to the article, he was following policy on police chases.
“The new policy stipulated that officers would no longer give chase over minor offenses, such was the risk inherent with pursuits. The new policy states that chase may only be given for "a serious and violent felony or gross misdemeanor."
I would think carjacking and robbery fits that. So I don’t see how one could argue following protocol to catch a violent criminal is abuse, even if it does end in tragedy. The robber should, and I assume will be, charged with his death.

Just because something is legal, don't make it right

Here's the intersection where it happened. Residential area.

Cop was reckless.

A chase can be argued that it shouldn't occur. Call in the helicopter, I'm all for that.

If you want to pick apart what he should have done while in pursuit and having to make quick judgement decisions is where I have a problem with.

Don't give a cop the right to chase then. Ever.

It's like saying the cop can only give chase on the freeway on weekends when there isn't any traffic.

CM189191 · July 2021

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

situational awareness should also cone into play in these cases

Arguing the situation is like saying Sully could have made it safely back to the airport.

not knowing the complete circumstances of this particular chase, I will say that just because policy allowed an action does mean it should be acted upon in every single instance.

location, time of day, usual traffic patterns, am I the only one giving chase. just a few of the considerations I would hope would be taken into account.

case in point, several years ago local deputy initiates a chase. on a secondary artery. one that runs through 90% residential area. Lot of side streets and alleys. significant % of residents in that area are pedestrian or bicycle riders , as well as far to many kids. Mid day.....

Deputy T-bones and kills a driver uninvolved in the chase , exercising right of way via light from a side street. Deputy was doing well over 100 mph.

Situational awareness was lacking or ignored, cuz hot damn I got a chase. So given those facts in the moment, should that chase have occurred? Local PD had a 6 helicopter fleet then now down to 5. Dont recall if they were called in.

CM189191 said:

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

CM189191 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

CM189191 said:

Innocent man killed by Minneapolis police

https://bringmethenews.com/.amp/minnesota-news/innocent-man-killed-in-minneapolis-police-crash-idd-as-uncle-of-darnella-frazier

Leneal Frazier was the uncle of Darnella Frazier, the teenager who filmed George Floyd's arrest and his death outside Cup Foods on May 25, 2020.

Not abuse.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/abuse

1) to use wrongly or improperly; misuse:

it's abuse

The cop accidently crashed into him. What was the cop abusing? His driving? He was chasing down an armed robber.

And according to the article, he was following policy on police chases.
“The new policy stipulated that officers would no longer give chase over minor offenses, such was the risk inherent with pursuits. The new policy states that chase may only be given for "a serious and violent felony or gross misdemeanor."
I would think carjacking and robbery fits that. So I don’t see how one could argue following protocol to catch a violent criminal is abuse, even if it does end in tragedy. The robber should, and I assume will be, charged with his death.

Just because something is legal, don't make it right

Here's the intersection where it happened. Residential area.

Cop was reckless.

A chase can be argued that it shouldn't occur. Call in the helicopter, I'm all for that.

If you want to pick apart what he should have done while in pursuit and having to make quick judgement decisions is where I have a problem with.

Don't give a cop the right to chase then. Ever.

It's like saying the cop can only give chase on the freeway on weekends when there isn't any traffic.

I'm ok with this. Cops shouldn't be giving pursuit in their cars, ever.

Police need to de-escalate situations. I don't see how giving chase does that.

There were 1,699 fatal crashes involving police chases from 2014-2018, killing at least 2,005 people – 1,123 were not the driver of the fleeing vehicle.

Among those killed were:

882 fleeing drivers

337 fleeing vehicle passengers

21 police officers

765 bystanders (occupants of uninvolved vehicles or non-motorists)

75 non-motorists (67 pedestrians, 5 bicyclists and 3 on another means of personal conveyance)

Even when a fleeing suspect is caught, they are seldom charged with a violent crime. California publishes a report each year in accordance with Senate Bill 719. According to the most recent version of this report, only 15.6 percent of apprehended drivers were charged with a violent crime.

https://www.thefinelawfirm.com/people-killed-in-police-chases/

mace1229 · July 2021

CM189191 said:

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

CM189191 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

CM189191 said:

Innocent man killed by Minneapolis police

https://bringmethenews.com/.amp/minnesota-news/innocent-man-killed-in-minneapolis-police-crash-idd-as-uncle-of-darnella-frazier

Leneal Frazier was the uncle of Darnella Frazier, the teenager who filmed George Floyd's arrest and his death outside Cup Foods on May 25, 2020.

Not abuse.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/abuse

1) to use wrongly or improperly; misuse:

it's abuse

The cop accidently crashed into him. What was the cop abusing? His driving? He was chasing down an armed robber.

And according to the article, he was following policy on police chases.
“The new policy stipulated that officers would no longer give chase over minor offenses, such was the risk inherent with pursuits. The new policy states that chase may only be given for "a serious and violent felony or gross misdemeanor."
I would think carjacking and robbery fits that. So I don’t see how one could argue following protocol to catch a violent criminal is abuse, even if it does end in tragedy. The robber should, and I assume will be, charged with his death.

Just because something is legal, don't make it right

Here's the intersection where it happened. Residential area.

Cop was reckless.

Even if you’re right, that still isn’t abuse.
And with the few details I saw, I’m sticking with a car jacking and armed robbery, yeah go ahead as chase him. Let’s maybe blame the guy who did the robbery and car jacking on this one.

mickeyrat · July 2021

mace1229 said:

CM189191 said:

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

CM189191 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

CM189191 said:

Innocent man killed by Minneapolis police

https://bringmethenews.com/.amp/minnesota-news/innocent-man-killed-in-minneapolis-police-crash-idd-as-uncle-of-darnella-frazier

Leneal Frazier was the uncle of Darnella Frazier, the teenager who filmed George Floyd's arrest and his death outside Cup Foods on May 25, 2020.

Not abuse.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/abuse

1) to use wrongly or improperly; misuse:

it's abuse

The cop accidently crashed into him. What was the cop abusing? His driving? He was chasing down an armed robber.

And according to the article, he was following policy on police chases.
“The new policy stipulated that officers would no longer give chase over minor offenses, such was the risk inherent with pursuits. The new policy states that chase may only be given for "a serious and violent felony or gross misdemeanor."
I would think carjacking and robbery fits that. So I don’t see how one could argue following protocol to catch a violent criminal is abuse, even if it does end in tragedy. The robber should, and I assume will be, charged with his death.

Just because something is legal, don't make it right

Here's the intersection where it happened. Residential area.

Cop was reckless.

Even if you’re right, that still isn’t abuse.
And with the few details I saw, I’m sticking with a car jacking and armed robbery, yeah go ahead as chase him. Let’s maybe blame the guy who did the robbery and car jacking on this one.

excuse me, SUSPECTED car jack.

likely was but reporting doesnt say they knew for a fact.

tempo_n_groove · July 2021

mickeyrat said:

mace1229 said:

CM189191 said:

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

CM189191 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

CM189191 said:

Innocent man killed by Minneapolis police

https://bringmethenews.com/.amp/minnesota-news/innocent-man-killed-in-minneapolis-police-crash-idd-as-uncle-of-darnella-frazier

Leneal Frazier was the uncle of Darnella Frazier, the teenager who filmed George Floyd's arrest and his death outside Cup Foods on May 25, 2020.

Not abuse.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/abuse

1) to use wrongly or improperly; misuse:

it's abuse

The cop accidently crashed into him. What was the cop abusing? His driving? He was chasing down an armed robber.

And according to the article, he was following policy on police chases.
“The new policy stipulated that officers would no longer give chase over minor offenses, such was the risk inherent with pursuits. The new policy states that chase may only be given for "a serious and violent felony or gross misdemeanor."
I would think carjacking and robbery fits that. So I don’t see how one could argue following protocol to catch a violent criminal is abuse, even if it does end in tragedy. The robber should, and I assume will be, charged with his death.

Just because something is legal, don't make it right

Here's the intersection where it happened. Residential area.

Cop was reckless.

Even if you’re right, that still isn’t abuse.
And with the few details I saw, I’m sticking with a car jacking and armed robbery, yeah go ahead as chase him. Let’s maybe blame the guy who did the robbery and car jacking on this one.

excuse me, SUSPECTED car jack.

likely was but reporting doesnt say they knew for a fact.

Suspects flee the scene running red lights because they are innocent?

Sure.

Like above stated. Abolish the chases. Eye in the sky then road blacks and pit maneuvers when no one is around.

This still isn't abuse though.

mickeyrat · July 2021

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

mace1229 said:

CM189191 said:

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

CM189191 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

CM189191 said:

Innocent man killed by Minneapolis police

https://bringmethenews.com/.amp/minnesota-news/innocent-man-killed-in-minneapolis-police-crash-idd-as-uncle-of-darnella-frazier

Leneal Frazier was the uncle of Darnella Frazier, the teenager who filmed George Floyd's arrest and his death outside Cup Foods on May 25, 2020.

Not abuse.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/abuse

1) to use wrongly or improperly; misuse:

it's abuse

The cop accidently crashed into him. What was the cop abusing? His driving? He was chasing down an armed robber.

And according to the article, he was following policy on police chases.
“The new policy stipulated that officers would no longer give chase over minor offenses, such was the risk inherent with pursuits. The new policy states that chase may only be given for "a serious and violent felony or gross misdemeanor."
I would think carjacking and robbery fits that. So I don’t see how one could argue following protocol to catch a violent criminal is abuse, even if it does end in tragedy. The robber should, and I assume will be, charged with his death.

Just because something is legal, don't make it right

Here's the intersection where it happened. Residential area.

Cop was reckless.

Even if you’re right, that still isn’t abuse.
And with the few details I saw, I’m sticking with a car jacking and armed robbery, yeah go ahead as chase him. Let’s maybe blame the guy who did the robbery and car jacking on this one.

excuse me, SUSPECTED car jack.

likely was but reporting doesnt say they knew for a fact.

Suspects flee the scene running red lights because they are innocent?

Sure.

Like above stated. Abolish the chases. Eye in the sky then road blacks and pit maneuvers when no one is around.

This still isn't abuse though.

is there a misconduct thread I am unaware of? even within policy this was misconduct.

Police abuse

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