Police abuse

nicknyr15

cblock4life said:

nicknyr15 said:

cblock4life said:

nicknyr15 said:

cblock4life said:

nicknyr15 said:

cblock4life said:

Now there’s some great context!  She looked like the most violent person I’ve ever seen.   Now I get it. CONTEXT truly does matter. Shows what egotistical asses most of these cops are.   

Context does matter. Nice to see you pop back into the “context “ discussion a week later when it’s convenient. 

Wow!  You have no fucking clue what I’ve been doing the past week and try not to flatter yourself that much ....responding to YOU was not exactly top priority and I don’t visit daily.  

So when did you get your PJ job monitoring the forum -and when did posting deadlines become part of the rules of membership?  You’re just upset you got one-upped. 

This is insane.  Upset I got one upped? Who’s keeping score? Pretty sad statement honestly. Judging from the tone of your post it seems you’re the one who is upset. Why? I have no clue. 

I’m not upset about anything other than the topic which is police abuse.  Let me know when I’m allowed to post again ok

Who said anything about you not being allowed? Wow. What an over reaction. You came back to this thread , conveniently, as soon as that other story was shared here and made a post talking about context. In bold might I add. And you’re throwing a fit when I respond. 

I’m not throwing a fit - we have conflicting opinions about police abuse and again, you don’t know me so you can’t assume anything about me conveniently responding.  I do believe my yearly membership allows me to respond when I want.  Why are you attacking me when all I did was agree that context does matter, not for the reason you mentioned but a good reason nevertheless.  

Here’s to hoping another black, white, brown person isn’t harassed (or killed) by a police officer today. 

Ok. Im sorry. I genuinely didn’t feel like I was attacking you. If you feel that way, that’s all that matters and  I apologize 

mace1229

OnWis97 said:

It’s about the power and the adrenaline rush.

https://www.unilad.co.uk/news/police-officer-sued-for-flipping-pregnant-womans-car-when-she-didnt-stop-fast-enough/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

“She should have complied!”  Well, she did. She did exactly what the state textbook said she should do. She knew the law, and the cop didn’t.

Saw that this morning. This is ridiculous. I’m surprised he doesn’t have to radio in and get permission to to the PIT to begin with. 

She put her hazards on, clearly wasn’t speeding up to flee. I don’t feel safe pulling over on the side of the freeway like that and especially at night. She wasn’t a known violent offender trying to flee, no reason to do this, especially after only 10 seconds.

mace1229

The problem with the law in this case is it’s subjective. What’s safe for the cop may not seem safe for the driver. I won’t be surprised to see laws like this changed to be more explicit and define unsafe conditions, like a shoulder less than x feet wide, etc.
As I said above, still incredibly stupid thing for the cop to do.

HughFreakingDillon

mace1229 said:

The problem with the law in this case is it’s subjective. What’s safe for the cop may not seem safe for the driver. I won’t be surprised to see laws like this changed to be more explicit and define unsafe conditions, like a shoulder less than x feet wide, etc.
As I said above, still incredibly stupid thing for the cop to do.

i wouldn't call doing a PIT move on a speeding vehicle that wasn't fleeing subjective. that is never necessary in that situation. 

cblock4life

tempo_n_groove said:

cblock4life said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cblock4life said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cblock4life said:

Now there’s some great context!  She looked like the most violent person I’ve ever seen.   Now I get it. CONTEXT truly does matter. Shows what egotistical asses most of these cops are.   

They aren't all like this...

You’re right...usually the cop kills the disobedient citizen 

Wondering your thoughts on gun ownership?

I’m fine with the 2nd amendment but it needs updated.  Now is that possible, probably not.  Too many guns out there to try and get them back voluntarily and too many that are illegal.  
what does that question have to do with cops who take advantage of their power?  Or are you just asking for general purposes and genuine curiosity? 

Generally curious.  Had you pegged for a full ban type person.

I was wrong.

Well then I hope it was a good surprise.  I sit in the middle or right more often than people think. 

cblock4life

nicknyr15 said:

cblock4life said:

nicknyr15 said:

cblock4life said:

nicknyr15 said:

cblock4life said:

nicknyr15 said:

cblock4life said:

Now there’s some great context!  She looked like the most violent person I’ve ever seen.   Now I get it. CONTEXT truly does matter. Shows what egotistical asses most of these cops are.   

Context does matter. Nice to see you pop back into the “context “ discussion a week later when it’s convenient. 

Wow!  You have no fucking clue what I’ve been doing the past week and try not to flatter yourself that much ....responding to YOU was not exactly top priority and I don’t visit daily.  

So when did you get your PJ job monitoring the forum -and when did posting deadlines become part of the rules of membership?  You’re just upset you got one-upped. 

This is insane.  Upset I got one upped? Who’s keeping score? Pretty sad statement honestly. Judging from the tone of your post it seems you’re the one who is upset. Why? I have no clue. 

I’m not upset about anything other than the topic which is police abuse.  Let me know when I’m allowed to post again ok

Who said anything about you not being allowed? Wow. What an over reaction. You came back to this thread , conveniently, as soon as that other story was shared here and made a post talking about context. In bold might I add. And you’re throwing a fit when I respond. 

I’m not throwing a fit - we have conflicting opinions about police abuse and again, you don’t know me so you can’t assume anything about me conveniently responding.  I do believe my yearly membership allows me to respond when I want.  Why are you attacking me when all I did was agree that context does matter, not for the reason you mentioned but a good reason nevertheless.  

Here’s to hoping another black, white, brown person isn’t harassed (or killed) by a police officer today. 

Ok. Im sorry. I genuinely didn’t feel like I was attacking you. If you feel that way, that’s all that matters and  I apologize 

I’m sorry too.  My writing is much more harsh than how I really feel.....trying to work on it.  Again, my apologies! 

tempo_n_groove

cblock4life said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cblock4life said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cblock4life said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cblock4life said:

Now there’s some great context!  She looked like the most violent person I’ve ever seen.   Now I get it. CONTEXT truly does matter. Shows what egotistical asses most of these cops are.   

They aren't all like this...

You’re right...usually the cop kills the disobedient citizen 

Wondering your thoughts on gun ownership?

I’m fine with the 2nd amendment but it needs updated.  Now is that possible, probably not.  Too many guns out there to try and get them back voluntarily and too many that are illegal.  
what does that question have to do with cops who take advantage of their power?  Or are you just asking for general purposes and genuine curiosity? 

Generally curious.  Had you pegged for a full ban type person.

I was wrong.

Well then I hope it was a good surprise.  I sit in the middle or right more often than people think. 

I'm called a commie around my conservative friends and a republican around my liberal friends.  I keep telling both sides that I am even keel, lol.

cblock4life

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

The problem with the law in this case is it’s subjective. What’s safe for the cop may not seem safe for the driver. I won’t be surprised to see laws like this changed to be more explicit and define unsafe conditions, like a shoulder less than x feet wide, etc.
As I said above, still incredibly stupid thing for the cop to do.

i wouldn't call doing a PIT move on a speeding vehicle that wasn't fleeing subjective. that is never necessary in that situation. 

Agree.  I can only imagine how scared she must have been.....especially when the car flipped.  

nicknyr15

cblock4life said:

nicknyr15 said:

cblock4life said:

nicknyr15 said:

cblock4life said:

nicknyr15 said:

cblock4life said:

nicknyr15 said:

cblock4life said:

Now there’s some great context!  She looked like the most violent person I’ve ever seen.   Now I get it. CONTEXT truly does matter. Shows what egotistical asses most of these cops are.   

Context does matter. Nice to see you pop back into the “context “ discussion a week later when it’s convenient. 

Wow!  You have no fucking clue what I’ve been doing the past week and try not to flatter yourself that much ....responding to YOU was not exactly top priority and I don’t visit daily.  

So when did you get your PJ job monitoring the forum -and when did posting deadlines become part of the rules of membership?  You’re just upset you got one-upped. 

This is insane.  Upset I got one upped? Who’s keeping score? Pretty sad statement honestly. Judging from the tone of your post it seems you’re the one who is upset. Why? I have no clue. 

I’m not upset about anything other than the topic which is police abuse.  Let me know when I’m allowed to post again ok

Who said anything about you not being allowed? Wow. What an over reaction. You came back to this thread , conveniently, as soon as that other story was shared here and made a post talking about context. In bold might I add. And you’re throwing a fit when I respond. 

I’m not throwing a fit - we have conflicting opinions about police abuse and again, you don’t know me so you can’t assume anything about me conveniently responding.  I do believe my yearly membership allows me to respond when I want.  Why are you attacking me when all I did was agree that context does matter, not for the reason you mentioned but a good reason nevertheless.  

Here’s to hoping another black, white, brown person isn’t harassed (or killed) by a police officer today. 

Ok. Im sorry. I genuinely didn’t feel like I was attacking you. If you feel that way, that’s all that matters and  I apologize 

I’m sorry too.  My writing is much more harsh than how I really feel.....trying to work on it.  Again, my apologies! 

All good. 

Kat

Closed for review. ok, done.

The Power of an Apology. That would make a good book title.
If everyone is chilling now, I'll reopen the thread. Some topics get too hot. 
It's important to discuss the topic, though, NOT each other. 
Please be chill so I don't have to make anyone read-only.
No consequences = no change and forum environment suffers.
Thank you for taking this guidance to heart.

cutz

Bentleyspop said:

OnWis97 said:

It’s about the power and the adrenaline rush.

https://www.unilad.co.uk/news/police-officer-sued-for-flipping-pregnant-womans-car-when-she-didnt-stop-fast-enough/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

“She should have complied!”  Well, she did. She did exactly what the state textbook said she should do. She knew the law, and the cop didn’t.

https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1402768122688544769?s=19

WOW !

Just curious, but what was she being pulled over for?

OnWis97

cutz said:

Bentleyspop said:

OnWis97 said:

It’s about the power and the adrenaline rush.

https://www.unilad.co.uk/news/police-officer-sued-for-flipping-pregnant-womans-car-when-she-didnt-stop-fast-enough/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

“She should have complied!”  Well, she did. She did exactly what the state textbook said she should do. She knew the law, and the cop didn’t.

h

WOW !

Just curious, but what was she being pulled over for?

I believe it was speeding.  Somebody who, by these accounts, was not a danger or a fugitive was run down and nearly killed for her $250 ticket.

Is this cop a jackass? Yeah. Are all cops like this? No. But I don't think the problem is about the individuals but about the culture. I feel like the police culture has sort evolved into flexing their power and authority and to take it personally if someone doesn't follow their instructions to the T, regardless if what they're doing is a legit threat.  OK, so I'm not privy to what goes on in these stationhouses, but I just don't get the sense that protecting and serving is the overriding theme. It seems like it's more about authority. It feels like it's worse than it was decades ago (though maybe it's just better-covered now that we all have cameras. See King, Rodney). Maybe there's just more pushback on the pedestalization.  

Can the nationwide culture change?  Change to protect/serve? Change to diminish the self-importance that this guy must have felt? Change so not using your gun for an entire career is a good thing?  Because we can talk about bad cops, but I really think there's too much bad for it just to be the bad apples; it's the culture. They've started to believe the "hero" hype that was heaped upon them for so long.

cblock4life

OnWis97 said:

cutz said:

Bentleyspop said:

OnWis97 said:

It’s about the power and the adrenaline rush.

https://www.unilad.co.uk/news/police-officer-sued-for-flipping-pregnant-womans-car-when-she-didnt-stop-fast-enough/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

“She should have complied!”  Well, she did. She did exactly what the state textbook said she should do. She knew the law, and the cop didn’t.

WOW !

Just curious, but what was she being pulled over for?

I believe it was speeding.  Somebody who, by these accounts, was not a danger or a fugitive was run down and nearly killed for her $250 ticket.

Is this cop a jackass? Yeah. Are all cops like this? No. But I don't think the problem is about the individuals but about the culture. I feel like the police culture has sort evolved into flexing their power and authority and to take it personally if someone doesn't follow their instructions to the T, regardless if what they're doing is a legit threat.  OK, so I'm not privy to what goes on in these stationhouses, but I just don't get the sense that protecting and serving is the overriding theme. It seems like it's more about authority. It feels like it's worse than it was decades ago (though maybe it's just better-covered now that we all have cameras. See King, Rodney). Maybe there's just more pushback on the pedestalization.  

Can the nationwide culture change?  Change to protect/serve? Change to diminish the self-importance that this guy must have felt? Change so not using your gun for an entire career is a good thing?  Because we can talk about bad cops, but I really think there's too much bad for it just to be the bad apples; it's the culture. They've started to believe the "hero" hype that was heaped upon them for so long.

Very well said. 

mace1229

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

The problem with the law in this case is it’s subjective. What’s safe for the cop may not seem safe for the driver. I won’t be surprised to see laws like this changed to be more explicit and define unsafe conditions, like a shoulder less than x feet wide, etc.
As I said above, still incredibly stupid thing for the cop to do.

i wouldn't call doing a PIT move on a speeding vehicle that wasn't fleeing subjective. that is never necessary inlaw/code that situation. 

I wasn’t referring to the PIT being subjective, but the law/code whatever it is that states to put on flashers and slow down if there is no safe area to pull over. What is safe? That’s subjective.
Im not defending the cop, I think it’s totally ridiculous what he did. I just think cities are going to be more clear and explicit on what is and isn’t safe. Even if he didn’t do the PIT and just followed her for 5 miles before she pulled over would it be fair for her to be arrested for “fleeing” because she didn’t feel safe to pull over for 5 miles. No, so the law needs to be clear on that.

HughFreakingDillon

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

The problem with the law in this case is it’s subjective. What’s safe for the cop may not seem safe for the driver. I won’t be surprised to see laws like this changed to be more explicit and define unsafe conditions, like a shoulder less than x feet wide, etc.
As I said above, still incredibly stupid thing for the cop to do.

i wouldn't call doing a PIT move on a speeding vehicle that wasn't fleeing subjective. that is never necessary inlaw/code that situation. 

I wasn’t referring to the PIT being subjective, but the law/code whatever it is that states to put on flashers and slow down if there is no safe area to pull over. What is safe? That’s subjective.
Im not defending the cop, I think it’s totally ridiculous what he did. I just think cities are going to be more clear and explicit on what is and isn’t safe. Even if he didn’t do the PIT and just followed her for 5 miles before she pulled over would it be fair for her to be arrested for “fleeing” because she didn’t feel safe to pull over for 5 miles. No, so the law needs to be clear on that.

gotcha, yes, I'm sure it is a grey area. it most likely states something like "pull over when it is safe to do so" but you're right in that is subjective. Obviously this cop gives no fucks about safety if he overturned a person's car for no reason. 

Bentleyspop

https://twitter.com/DrRJKavanagh/status/1404220794096455684?s=19

tempo_n_groove

Bentleyspop said:

https://twitter.com/DrRJKavanagh/status/1404220794096455684?s=19

They'll all be fired if it was just for vaping but somehow I think there is more to the story.

Ledbetterman10

tempo_n_groove said:

Bentleyspop said:

https://twitter.com/DrRJKavanagh/status/1404220794096455684?s=19

They'll all be fired if it was just for vaping but somehow I think there is more to the story.

Well I think the reason for the taser was that he started lowering his left hand towards his pocket. But there's further video that shows, when the cops are trying to restrain him, a cop kneeing him. 

https://twitter.com/typicaldarkski1/status/1404186977285595146?s=20

tempo_n_groove

Ledbetterman10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Bentleyspop said:

https://twitter.com/DrRJKavanagh/status/1404220794096455684?s=19

They'll all be fired if it was just for vaping but somehow I think there is more to the story.

Well I think the reason for the taser was that he started lowering his left hand towards his pocket. But there's further video that shows, when the cops are trying to restrain him, a cop kneeing him. 

https://twitter.com/typicaldarkski1/status/1404186977285595146?s=20

If that cop doesn't have a great reason for kneeing that guy then he will be losing his job too.

I can't fathom why he would need to do that.  It made the crowd react, which they should do, but then people get carried away in handcuffs.

I hope more comes out about this.  Optics aren't good.

Ledbetterman10

I doubt he has a good reason for kneeing him. Even if he was resisting, there's enough cops on top of him to restrain him without having to come to blows.