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the point is, in most cases, equipment like this isn't needed, or if it is, it's a failure of our society to require them. we should be spending more on social services than "tactical equipment" ie: tanks.nicknyr15 said:By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Next guy w a bomb we can argue that the social services in that area failed him...HughFreakingDillon said:
the point is, in most cases, equipment like this isn't needed, or if it is, it's a failure of our society to require them. we should be spending more on social services than "tactical equipment" ie: tanks.nicknyr15 said:
This started gaining momentum after 9'11 and gathered more steam w Active Shooter fears.
For years cops carried revolvers and were outgunned by people who were using weapons against them. I see nothing wrong w them having this equipment. If the Military was ready in a whim then you could disband all of this.0 -
So you are ok with the police force looking like the military? You do realize they have different missions and objectives right? It has certainly gotten out of control. It did start with 9/11. Small communities got an influx of $ that they either spent or lost...so they spent.tempo_n_groove said:
Next guy w a bomb we can argue that the social services in that area failed him...HughFreakingDillon said:
the point is, in most cases, equipment like this isn't needed, or if it is, it's a failure of our society to require them. we should be spending more on social services than "tactical equipment" ie: tanks.nicknyr15 said:
This started gaining momentum after 9'11 and gathered more steam w Active Shooter fears.
For years cops carried revolvers and were outgunned by people who were using weapons against them. I see nothing wrong w them having this equipment. If the Military was ready in a whim then you could disband all of this.hippiemom = goodness0 -
Perfectly fine with it, yes.cincybearcat said:
So you are ok with the police force looking like the military? You do realize they have different missions and objectives right? It has certainly gotten out of control. It did start with 9/11. Small communities got an influx of $ that they either spent or lost...so they spent.tempo_n_groove said:
Next guy w a bomb we can argue that the social services in that area failed him...HughFreakingDillon said:
the point is, in most cases, equipment like this isn't needed, or if it is, it's a failure of our society to require them. we should be spending more on social services than "tactical equipment" ie: tanks.nicknyr15 said:
This started gaining momentum after 9'11 and gathered more steam w Active Shooter fears.
For years cops carried revolvers and were outgunned by people who were using weapons against them. I see nothing wrong w them having this equipment. If the Military was ready in a whim then you could disband all of this.
Yes I understand they have different missions which is why I am ok with it. I don't want Barney Fife engaging in multiple hostage situations just like I don't want Rambo walking the beat.
When I get pulled over for a traffic violation it isn't from a cop wearing full body armor a battle helmet w night vision and an M-4...0 -
tempo_n_groove said:
Perfectly fine with it, yes.cincybearcat said:
So you are ok with the police force looking like the military? You do realize they have different missions and objectives right? It has certainly gotten out of control. It did start with 9/11. Small communities got an influx of $ that they either spent or lost...so they spent.tempo_n_groove said:
Next guy w a bomb we can argue that the social services in that area failed him...HughFreakingDillon said:
the point is, in most cases, equipment like this isn't needed, or if it is, it's a failure of our society to require them. we should be spending more on social services than "tactical equipment" ie: tanks.nicknyr15 said:
This started gaining momentum after 9'11 and gathered more steam w Active Shooter fears.
For years cops carried revolvers and were outgunned by people who were using weapons against them. I see nothing wrong w them having this equipment. If the Military was ready in a whim then you could disband all of this.
Yes I understand they have different missions which is why I am ok with it. I don't want Barney Fife engaging in multiple hostage situations just like I don't want Rambo walking the beat.
When I get pulled over for a traffic violation it isn't from a cop wearing full body armor a battle helmet w night vision and an M-4...
but oftentimes that same cop is doing double duty as patrol and swat or special tactics team member when needed.
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That is fine too. Being multi trained is a good thing. I'm pretty sure he isn't combat ready walking the beat and he isn't driving his Bradley Vehicle pulling over speeders.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
Perfectly fine with it, yes.cincybearcat said:
So you are ok with the police force looking like the military? You do realize they have different missions and objectives right? It has certainly gotten out of control. It did start with 9/11. Small communities got an influx of $ that they either spent or lost...so they spent.tempo_n_groove said:
Next guy w a bomb we can argue that the social services in that area failed him...HughFreakingDillon said:
the point is, in most cases, equipment like this isn't needed, or if it is, it's a failure of our society to require them. we should be spending more on social services than "tactical equipment" ie: tanks.nicknyr15 said:
This started gaining momentum after 9'11 and gathered more steam w Active Shooter fears.
For years cops carried revolvers and were outgunned by people who were using weapons against them. I see nothing wrong w them having this equipment. If the Military was ready in a whim then you could disband all of this.
Yes I understand they have different missions which is why I am ok with it. I don't want Barney Fife engaging in multiple hostage situations just like I don't want Rambo walking the beat.
When I get pulled over for a traffic violation it isn't from a cop wearing full body armor a battle helmet w night vision and an M-4...
but oftentimes that same cop is doing double duty as patrol and swat or special tactics team member when needed.
I will say this, when is the last time you saw a cop and felt safe or happy they were there? The sight of a cop is almost triggering to most people now. That type of persona needs to change.0 -
all the time. (but I'm a white male Canadian, don't have much to fear)tempo_n_groove said:
That is fine too. Being multi trained is a good thing. I'm pretty sure he isn't combat ready walking the beat and he isn't driving his Bradley Vehicle pulling over speeders.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
Perfectly fine with it, yes.cincybearcat said:
So you are ok with the police force looking like the military? You do realize they have different missions and objectives right? It has certainly gotten out of control. It did start with 9/11. Small communities got an influx of $ that they either spent or lost...so they spent.tempo_n_groove said:
Next guy w a bomb we can argue that the social services in that area failed him...HughFreakingDillon said:
the point is, in most cases, equipment like this isn't needed, or if it is, it's a failure of our society to require them. we should be spending more on social services than "tactical equipment" ie: tanks.nicknyr15 said:
This started gaining momentum after 9'11 and gathered more steam w Active Shooter fears.
For years cops carried revolvers and were outgunned by people who were using weapons against them. I see nothing wrong w them having this equipment. If the Military was ready in a whim then you could disband all of this.
Yes I understand they have different missions which is why I am ok with it. I don't want Barney Fife engaging in multiple hostage situations just like I don't want Rambo walking the beat.
When I get pulled over for a traffic violation it isn't from a cop wearing full body armor a battle helmet w night vision and an M-4...
but oftentimes that same cop is doing double duty as patrol and swat or special tactics team member when needed.
I will say this, when is the last time you saw a cop and felt safe or happy they were there? The sight of a cop is almost triggering to most people now. That type of persona needs to change.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
tempo_n_groove said:
That is fine too. Being multi trained is a good thing. I'm pretty sure he isn't combat ready walking the beat and he isn't driving his Bradley Vehicle pulling over speeders.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
Perfectly fine with it, yes.cincybearcat said:
So you are ok with the police force looking like the military? You do realize they have different missions and objectives right? It has certainly gotten out of control. It did start with 9/11. Small communities got an influx of $ that they either spent or lost...so they spent.tempo_n_groove said:
Next guy w a bomb we can argue that the social services in that area failed him...HughFreakingDillon said:
the point is, in most cases, equipment like this isn't needed, or if it is, it's a failure of our society to require them. we should be spending more on social services than "tactical equipment" ie: tanks.nicknyr15 said:
This started gaining momentum after 9'11 and gathered more steam w Active Shooter fears.
For years cops carried revolvers and were outgunned by people who were using weapons against them. I see nothing wrong w them having this equipment. If the Military was ready in a whim then you could disband all of this.
Yes I understand they have different missions which is why I am ok with it. I don't want Barney Fife engaging in multiple hostage situations just like I don't want Rambo walking the beat.
When I get pulled over for a traffic violation it isn't from a cop wearing full body armor a battle helmet w night vision and an M-4...
but oftentimes that same cop is doing double duty as patrol and swat or special tactics team member when needed.
I will say this, when is the last time you saw a cop and felt safe or happy they were there? The sight of a cop is almost triggering to most people now. That type of persona needs to change.being white and now sober 15 1/2 years I dont sweat contact. I KNOW I am going about my merry way when done, oftentimes with just a warning.and your last sentence is spot on. Just not the way you prob meant it.that perception or mentality us what I believe you meant.but the slip(imo) is accurate on the cops part this victim persona needs to change. Accountability is right and necessary. Having different standards because of the job isnt right imo. consideration sure, free pass? fuck no.to be clear , I appreciate those who protect and serve with respect and dignity for those they serve. wanna be Rambos can hit the bricks._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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My white friends and people of color both feel the same way about seeing a cop. Unless you are 50 and white I don't think you are scared of them.HughFreakingDillon said:
all the time. (but I'm a white male Canadian, don't have much to fear)tempo_n_groove said:
That is fine too. Being multi trained is a good thing. I'm pretty sure he isn't combat ready walking the beat and he isn't driving his Bradley Vehicle pulling over speeders.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
Perfectly fine with it, yes.cincybearcat said:
So you are ok with the police force looking like the military? You do realize they have different missions and objectives right? It has certainly gotten out of control. It did start with 9/11. Small communities got an influx of $ that they either spent or lost...so they spent.tempo_n_groove said:
Next guy w a bomb we can argue that the social services in that area failed him...HughFreakingDillon said:
the point is, in most cases, equipment like this isn't needed, or if it is, it's a failure of our society to require them. we should be spending more on social services than "tactical equipment" ie: tanks.nicknyr15 said:
This started gaining momentum after 9'11 and gathered more steam w Active Shooter fears.
For years cops carried revolvers and were outgunned by people who were using weapons against them. I see nothing wrong w them having this equipment. If the Military was ready in a whim then you could disband all of this.
Yes I understand they have different missions which is why I am ok with it. I don't want Barney Fife engaging in multiple hostage situations just like I don't want Rambo walking the beat.
When I get pulled over for a traffic violation it isn't from a cop wearing full body armor a battle helmet w night vision and an M-4...
but oftentimes that same cop is doing double duty as patrol and swat or special tactics team member when needed.
I will say this, when is the last time you saw a cop and felt safe or happy they were there? The sight of a cop is almost triggering to most people now. That type of persona needs to change.0 -
police brutality on the same scale as the US's issue just doesn't happen here. I'm sure I'd feel differently if I lived in the US.tempo_n_groove said:
My white friends and people of color both feel the same way about seeing a cop. Unless you are 50 and white I don't think you are scared of them.HughFreakingDillon said:
all the time. (but I'm a white male Canadian, don't have much to fear)tempo_n_groove said:
That is fine too. Being multi trained is a good thing. I'm pretty sure he isn't combat ready walking the beat and he isn't driving his Bradley Vehicle pulling over speeders.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
Perfectly fine with it, yes.cincybearcat said:
So you are ok with the police force looking like the military? You do realize they have different missions and objectives right? It has certainly gotten out of control. It did start with 9/11. Small communities got an influx of $ that they either spent or lost...so they spent.tempo_n_groove said:
Next guy w a bomb we can argue that the social services in that area failed him...HughFreakingDillon said:
the point is, in most cases, equipment like this isn't needed, or if it is, it's a failure of our society to require them. we should be spending more on social services than "tactical equipment" ie: tanks.nicknyr15 said:
This started gaining momentum after 9'11 and gathered more steam w Active Shooter fears.
For years cops carried revolvers and were outgunned by people who were using weapons against them. I see nothing wrong w them having this equipment. If the Military was ready in a whim then you could disband all of this.
Yes I understand they have different missions which is why I am ok with it. I don't want Barney Fife engaging in multiple hostage situations just like I don't want Rambo walking the beat.
When I get pulled over for a traffic violation it isn't from a cop wearing full body armor a battle helmet w night vision and an M-4...
but oftentimes that same cop is doing double duty as patrol and swat or special tactics team member when needed.
I will say this, when is the last time you saw a cop and felt safe or happy they were there? The sight of a cop is almost triggering to most people now. That type of persona needs to change.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Ahh, I see your point now.HughFreakingDillon said:
police brutality on the same scale as the US's issue just doesn't happen here. I'm sure I'd feel differently if I lived in the US.tempo_n_groove said:
My white friends and people of color both feel the same way about seeing a cop. Unless you are 50 and white I don't think you are scared of them.HughFreakingDillon said:
all the time. (but I'm a white male Canadian, don't have much to fear)tempo_n_groove said:
That is fine too. Being multi trained is a good thing. I'm pretty sure he isn't combat ready walking the beat and he isn't driving his Bradley Vehicle pulling over speeders.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
Perfectly fine with it, yes.cincybearcat said:
So you are ok with the police force looking like the military? You do realize they have different missions and objectives right? It has certainly gotten out of control. It did start with 9/11. Small communities got an influx of $ that they either spent or lost...so they spent.tempo_n_groove said:
Next guy w a bomb we can argue that the social services in that area failed him...HughFreakingDillon said:
the point is, in most cases, equipment like this isn't needed, or if it is, it's a failure of our society to require them. we should be spending more on social services than "tactical equipment" ie: tanks.nicknyr15 said:
This started gaining momentum after 9'11 and gathered more steam w Active Shooter fears.
For years cops carried revolvers and were outgunned by people who were using weapons against them. I see nothing wrong w them having this equipment. If the Military was ready in a whim then you could disband all of this.
Yes I understand they have different missions which is why I am ok with it. I don't want Barney Fife engaging in multiple hostage situations just like I don't want Rambo walking the beat.
When I get pulled over for a traffic violation it isn't from a cop wearing full body armor a battle helmet w night vision and an M-4...
but oftentimes that same cop is doing double duty as patrol and swat or special tactics team member when needed.
I will say this, when is the last time you saw a cop and felt safe or happy they were there? The sight of a cop is almost triggering to most people now. That type of persona needs to change.
The view just isn't on brutality. Cops generally show up when something bad happened. I don't see cops interacting with people too much nowadays. It just feels different when they are around and I am sure that is part of the pushback they are getting.0 -
Most of us here are 50 and white. Well, pushing 50 (I'm 47; cries).tempo_n_groove said:
My white friends and people of color both feel the same way about seeing a cop. Unless you are 50 and white I don't think you are scared of them.HughFreakingDillon said:
all the time. (but I'm a white male Canadian, don't have much to fear)tempo_n_groove said:
That is fine too. Being multi trained is a good thing. I'm pretty sure he isn't combat ready walking the beat and he isn't driving his Bradley Vehicle pulling over speeders.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
Perfectly fine with it, yes.cincybearcat said:
So you are ok with the police force looking like the military? You do realize they have different missions and objectives right? It has certainly gotten out of control. It did start with 9/11. Small communities got an influx of $ that they either spent or lost...so they spent.tempo_n_groove said:
Next guy w a bomb we can argue that the social services in that area failed him...HughFreakingDillon said:
the point is, in most cases, equipment like this isn't needed, or if it is, it's a failure of our society to require them. we should be spending more on social services than "tactical equipment" ie: tanks.nicknyr15 said:
This started gaining momentum after 9'11 and gathered more steam w Active Shooter fears.
For years cops carried revolvers and were outgunned by people who were using weapons against them. I see nothing wrong w them having this equipment. If the Military was ready in a whim then you could disband all of this.
Yes I understand they have different missions which is why I am ok with it. I don't want Barney Fife engaging in multiple hostage situations just like I don't want Rambo walking the beat.
When I get pulled over for a traffic violation it isn't from a cop wearing full body armor a battle helmet w night vision and an M-4...
but oftentimes that same cop is doing double duty as patrol and swat or special tactics team member when needed.
I will say this, when is the last time you saw a cop and felt safe or happy they were there? The sight of a cop is almost triggering to most people now. That type of persona needs to change.
I think the militarization of police could have a psychological impact on how they operate. Granted, we're exposed to certain types of stories but I don't think protecting and serving is on the average cop's mind as much as it used to be. If they're behaving like the military when dealing with their own citizenry, do they start to think of their own citizenry as the enemy? I say a lot of this in the form of questions because I am hypothesizing and I don't really know exactly what the problems are.
But I do believe something is happening to police culture. I think the militarization might impact them. I think some of the pedestalization* gives them a sense of being special. People like to debate whether it's "just a few bad apples" or if "they're all bad." I don't think it's that simple...I think it's some kind of cultural deficit that takes otherwise good people, gives them an exhilarating sense of power, and leads to a loss of perspective on what they're actually doing.
Then it just piles on...people criticize the police, which pushes them into an "us against the world" mentality. This fosters even more distrust. I really don't know how we get out of this but I don't think it's about weeding out the Derek Chauvins. I think it's a deep cultural overhaul.
*After George Floyd was murdered a local pizza chain stated that it was no longer going to give on-duty cops discounts. The outrage from suburbanites that don't frequent the restaurants was off the charts. Personally, I thought it was a good move because I see discounts for cops as a message that they are special. It's a tough job; I understand that, but they've been lionized for too long and it's a problem.1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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Well said. I agree with a bunch of this.OnWis97 said:
Most of us here are 50 and white. Well, pushing 50 (I'm 47; cries).tempo_n_groove said:
My white friends and people of color both feel the same way about seeing a cop. Unless you are 50 and white I don't think you are scared of them.HughFreakingDillon said:
all the time. (but I'm a white male Canadian, don't have much to fear)tempo_n_groove said:
That is fine too. Being multi trained is a good thing. I'm pretty sure he isn't combat ready walking the beat and he isn't driving his Bradley Vehicle pulling over speeders.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
Perfectly fine with it, yes.cincybearcat said:
So you are ok with the police force looking like the military? You do realize they have different missions and objectives right? It has certainly gotten out of control. It did start with 9/11. Small communities got an influx of $ that they either spent or lost...so they spent.tempo_n_groove said:
Next guy w a bomb we can argue that the social services in that area failed him...HughFreakingDillon said:
the point is, in most cases, equipment like this isn't needed, or if it is, it's a failure of our society to require them. we should be spending more on social services than "tactical equipment" ie: tanks.nicknyr15 said:
This started gaining momentum after 9'11 and gathered more steam w Active Shooter fears.
For years cops carried revolvers and were outgunned by people who were using weapons against them. I see nothing wrong w them having this equipment. If the Military was ready in a whim then you could disband all of this.
Yes I understand they have different missions which is why I am ok with it. I don't want Barney Fife engaging in multiple hostage situations just like I don't want Rambo walking the beat.
When I get pulled over for a traffic violation it isn't from a cop wearing full body armor a battle helmet w night vision and an M-4...
but oftentimes that same cop is doing double duty as patrol and swat or special tactics team member when needed.
I will say this, when is the last time you saw a cop and felt safe or happy they were there? The sight of a cop is almost triggering to most people now. That type of persona needs to change.
I think the militarization of police could have a psychological impact on how they operate. Granted, we're exposed to certain types of stories but I don't think protecting and serving is on the average cop's mind as much as it used to be. If they're behaving like the military when dealing with their own citizenry, do they start to think of their own citizenry as the enemy? I say a lot of this in the form of questions because I am hypothesizing and I don't really know exactly what the problems are.
But I do believe something is happening to police culture. I think the militarization might impact them. I think some of the pedestalization* gives them a sense of being special. People like to debate whether it's "just a few bad apples" or if "they're all bad." I don't think it's that simple...I think it's some kind of cultural deficit that takes otherwise good people, gives them an exhilarating sense of power, and leads to a loss of perspective on what they're actually doing.
Then it just piles on...people criticize the police, which pushes them into an "us against the world" mentality. This fosters even more distrust. I really don't know how we get out of this but I don't think it's about weeding out the Derek Chauvins. I think it's a deep cultural overhaul.
*After George Floyd was murdered a local pizza chain stated that it was no longer going to give on-duty cops discounts. The outrage from suburbanites that don't frequent the restaurants was off the charts. Personally, I thought it was a good move because I see discounts for cops as a message that they are special. It's a tough job; I understand that, but they've been lionized for too long and it's a problem.0 -
I think everyone knows that cops typically get special treatment from restaurants/businesses so they'll spend more time there and keep the riff raff out. I don't know if that's what has contributed to them being viewed as "special".OnWis97 said:
Most of us here are 50 and white. Well, pushing 50 (I'm 47; cries).tempo_n_groove said:
My white friends and people of color both feel the same way about seeing a cop. Unless you are 50 and white I don't think you are scared of them.HughFreakingDillon said:
all the time. (but I'm a white male Canadian, don't have much to fear)tempo_n_groove said:
That is fine too. Being multi trained is a good thing. I'm pretty sure he isn't combat ready walking the beat and he isn't driving his Bradley Vehicle pulling over speeders.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
Perfectly fine with it, yes.cincybearcat said:
So you are ok with the police force looking like the military? You do realize they have different missions and objectives right? It has certainly gotten out of control. It did start with 9/11. Small communities got an influx of $ that they either spent or lost...so they spent.tempo_n_groove said:
Next guy w a bomb we can argue that the social services in that area failed him...HughFreakingDillon said:
the point is, in most cases, equipment like this isn't needed, or if it is, it's a failure of our society to require them. we should be spending more on social services than "tactical equipment" ie: tanks.nicknyr15 said:
This started gaining momentum after 9'11 and gathered more steam w Active Shooter fears.
For years cops carried revolvers and were outgunned by people who were using weapons against them. I see nothing wrong w them having this equipment. If the Military was ready in a whim then you could disband all of this.
Yes I understand they have different missions which is why I am ok with it. I don't want Barney Fife engaging in multiple hostage situations just like I don't want Rambo walking the beat.
When I get pulled over for a traffic violation it isn't from a cop wearing full body armor a battle helmet w night vision and an M-4...
but oftentimes that same cop is doing double duty as patrol and swat or special tactics team member when needed.
I will say this, when is the last time you saw a cop and felt safe or happy they were there? The sight of a cop is almost triggering to most people now. That type of persona needs to change.
I think the militarization of police could have a psychological impact on how they operate. Granted, we're exposed to certain types of stories but I don't think protecting and serving is on the average cop's mind as much as it used to be. If they're behaving like the military when dealing with their own citizenry, do they start to think of their own citizenry as the enemy? I say a lot of this in the form of questions because I am hypothesizing and I don't really know exactly what the problems are.
But I do believe something is happening to police culture. I think the militarization might impact them. I think some of the pedestalization* gives them a sense of being special. People like to debate whether it's "just a few bad apples" or if "they're all bad." I don't think it's that simple...I think it's some kind of cultural deficit that takes otherwise good people, gives them an exhilarating sense of power, and leads to a loss of perspective on what they're actually doing.
Then it just piles on...people criticize the police, which pushes them into an "us against the world" mentality. This fosters even more distrust. I really don't know how we get out of this but I don't think it's about weeding out the Derek Chauvins. I think it's a deep cultural overhaul.
*After George Floyd was murdered a local pizza chain stated that it was no longer going to give on-duty cops discounts. The outrage from suburbanites that don't frequent the restaurants was off the charts. Personally, I thought it was a good move because I see discounts for cops as a message that they are special. It's a tough job; I understand that, but they've been lionized for too long and it's a problem.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
OnWis97 is very much on the pulse of the police here in the states. It is like a fraternity at times. It's not nearly what it used to be as far as special. Being a a cop gave you some serious leeway on things. I am related and know plenty to know this to be true. They still have a lot of liberties that you and I don't get and they some act like they don't have to play by the same rules.HughFreakingDillon said:
I think everyone knows that cops typically get special treatment from restaurants/businesses so they'll spend more time there and keep the riff raff out. I don't know if that's what has contributed to them being viewed as "special".OnWis97 said:
Most of us here are 50 and white. Well, pushing 50 (I'm 47; cries).tempo_n_groove said:
My white friends and people of color both feel the same way about seeing a cop. Unless you are 50 and white I don't think you are scared of them.HughFreakingDillon said:
all the time. (but I'm a white male Canadian, don't have much to fear)tempo_n_groove said:
That is fine too. Being multi trained is a good thing. I'm pretty sure he isn't combat ready walking the beat and he isn't driving his Bradley Vehicle pulling over speeders.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
Perfectly fine with it, yes.cincybearcat said:
So you are ok with the police force looking like the military? You do realize they have different missions and objectives right? It has certainly gotten out of control. It did start with 9/11. Small communities got an influx of $ that they either spent or lost...so they spent.tempo_n_groove said:
Next guy w a bomb we can argue that the social services in that area failed him...HughFreakingDillon said:
the point is, in most cases, equipment like this isn't needed, or if it is, it's a failure of our society to require them. we should be spending more on social services than "tactical equipment" ie: tanks.nicknyr15 said:
This started gaining momentum after 9'11 and gathered more steam w Active Shooter fears.
For years cops carried revolvers and were outgunned by people who were using weapons against them. I see nothing wrong w them having this equipment. If the Military was ready in a whim then you could disband all of this.
Yes I understand they have different missions which is why I am ok with it. I don't want Barney Fife engaging in multiple hostage situations just like I don't want Rambo walking the beat.
When I get pulled over for a traffic violation it isn't from a cop wearing full body armor a battle helmet w night vision and an M-4...
but oftentimes that same cop is doing double duty as patrol and swat or special tactics team member when needed.
I will say this, when is the last time you saw a cop and felt safe or happy they were there? The sight of a cop is almost triggering to most people now. That type of persona needs to change.
I think the militarization of police could have a psychological impact on how they operate. Granted, we're exposed to certain types of stories but I don't think protecting and serving is on the average cop's mind as much as it used to be. If they're behaving like the military when dealing with their own citizenry, do they start to think of their own citizenry as the enemy? I say a lot of this in the form of questions because I am hypothesizing and I don't really know exactly what the problems are.
But I do believe something is happening to police culture. I think the militarization might impact them. I think some of the pedestalization* gives them a sense of being special. People like to debate whether it's "just a few bad apples" or if "they're all bad." I don't think it's that simple...I think it's some kind of cultural deficit that takes otherwise good people, gives them an exhilarating sense of power, and leads to a loss of perspective on what they're actually doing.
Then it just piles on...people criticize the police, which pushes them into an "us against the world" mentality. This fosters even more distrust. I really don't know how we get out of this but I don't think it's about weeding out the Derek Chauvins. I think it's a deep cultural overhaul.
*After George Floyd was murdered a local pizza chain stated that it was no longer going to give on-duty cops discounts. The outrage from suburbanites that don't frequent the restaurants was off the charts. Personally, I thought it was a good move because I see discounts for cops as a message that they are special. It's a tough job; I understand that, but they've been lionized for too long and it's a problem.0 -
I know, but onwis specifically mentioned getting discounts on food, which is what I was responding to.tempo_n_groove said:
OnWis97 is very much on the pulse of the police here in the states. It is like a fraternity at times. It's not nearly what it used to be as far as special. Being a a cop gave you some serious leeway on things. I am related and know plenty to know this to be true. They still have a lot of liberties that you and I don't get and they some act like they don't have to play by the same rules.HughFreakingDillon said:
I think everyone knows that cops typically get special treatment from restaurants/businesses so they'll spend more time there and keep the riff raff out. I don't know if that's what has contributed to them being viewed as "special".OnWis97 said:
Most of us here are 50 and white. Well, pushing 50 (I'm 47; cries).tempo_n_groove said:
My white friends and people of color both feel the same way about seeing a cop. Unless you are 50 and white I don't think you are scared of them.HughFreakingDillon said:
all the time. (but I'm a white male Canadian, don't have much to fear)tempo_n_groove said:
That is fine too. Being multi trained is a good thing. I'm pretty sure he isn't combat ready walking the beat and he isn't driving his Bradley Vehicle pulling over speeders.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
Perfectly fine with it, yes.cincybearcat said:
So you are ok with the police force looking like the military? You do realize they have different missions and objectives right? It has certainly gotten out of control. It did start with 9/11. Small communities got an influx of $ that they either spent or lost...so they spent.tempo_n_groove said:
Next guy w a bomb we can argue that the social services in that area failed him...HughFreakingDillon said:
the point is, in most cases, equipment like this isn't needed, or if it is, it's a failure of our society to require them. we should be spending more on social services than "tactical equipment" ie: tanks.nicknyr15 said:
This started gaining momentum after 9'11 and gathered more steam w Active Shooter fears.
For years cops carried revolvers and were outgunned by people who were using weapons against them. I see nothing wrong w them having this equipment. If the Military was ready in a whim then you could disband all of this.
Yes I understand they have different missions which is why I am ok with it. I don't want Barney Fife engaging in multiple hostage situations just like I don't want Rambo walking the beat.
When I get pulled over for a traffic violation it isn't from a cop wearing full body armor a battle helmet w night vision and an M-4...
but oftentimes that same cop is doing double duty as patrol and swat or special tactics team member when needed.
I will say this, when is the last time you saw a cop and felt safe or happy they were there? The sight of a cop is almost triggering to most people now. That type of persona needs to change.
I think the militarization of police could have a psychological impact on how they operate. Granted, we're exposed to certain types of stories but I don't think protecting and serving is on the average cop's mind as much as it used to be. If they're behaving like the military when dealing with their own citizenry, do they start to think of their own citizenry as the enemy? I say a lot of this in the form of questions because I am hypothesizing and I don't really know exactly what the problems are.
But I do believe something is happening to police culture. I think the militarization might impact them. I think some of the pedestalization* gives them a sense of being special. People like to debate whether it's "just a few bad apples" or if "they're all bad." I don't think it's that simple...I think it's some kind of cultural deficit that takes otherwise good people, gives them an exhilarating sense of power, and leads to a loss of perspective on what they're actually doing.
Then it just piles on...people criticize the police, which pushes them into an "us against the world" mentality. This fosters even more distrust. I really don't know how we get out of this but I don't think it's about weeding out the Derek Chauvins. I think it's a deep cultural overhaul.
*After George Floyd was murdered a local pizza chain stated that it was no longer going to give on-duty cops discounts. The outrage from suburbanites that don't frequent the restaurants was off the charts. Personally, I thought it was a good move because I see discounts for cops as a message that they are special. It's a tough job; I understand that, but they've been lionized for too long and it's a problem.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Meh. I give FDNY, EMT , NYPD and military discounts at my store. Not for anything in return, just out of respect for their service.0
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police get called to a school in Hawaii and handcuff and arrest (but not charge) a 10 year old girl for a drawing she participated in against a bully. her mother was not allowed to see her until she was released from custody.
this shit is getting unreal. I get it; teaching is hard. but calling the cops for a drawing? would a white girl have been arrested for the same thing? fuck no.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/20/us/hawaii-black-girl-arrested-drawing-aclu/index.html
By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
I do wonder if she threatened death in the picture? If so that doesn't go well in schools nowadays.HughFreakingDillon said:police get called to a school in Hawaii and handcuff and arrest (but not charge) a 10 year old girl for a drawing she participated in against a bully. her mother was not allowed to see her until she was released from custody.
this shit is getting unreal. I get it; teaching is hard. but calling the cops for a drawing? would a white girl have been arrested for the same thing? fuck no.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/20/us/hawaii-black-girl-arrested-drawing-aclu/index.html
Should a 10yo be handcuffed for it? No.
Was she acting hysterical so they cuffed her for everyones safety? No idea.
Plenty of info missing on this but you are right, policy should change on this.0 -
she claimed she didn't even want to share it with the person it was about; another kid snatched it out of her hand and delivered it. the police claim she "wasn't taking it seriously" and "could use a few hours in lock up". this is fucking unacceptable. there was no reports of her needing to be subdued.tempo_n_groove said:
I do wonder if she threatened death in the picture? If so that doesn't go well in schools nowadays.HughFreakingDillon said:police get called to a school in Hawaii and handcuff and arrest (but not charge) a 10 year old girl for a drawing she participated in against a bully. her mother was not allowed to see her until she was released from custody.
this shit is getting unreal. I get it; teaching is hard. but calling the cops for a drawing? would a white girl have been arrested for the same thing? fuck no.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/20/us/hawaii-black-girl-arrested-drawing-aclu/index.html
Should a 10yo be handcuffed for it? No.
Was she acting hysterical so they cuffed her for everyones safety? No idea.
Plenty of info missing on this but you are right, policy should change on this.
if this happened to my kid I'd sue the pants off the school and the police department. that shit is traumatizing.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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