Canada: genocide and attempted extermination of indigenous peoples….

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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,849
    For any so inclined, here’s a link to donate to help the Lytton First Nation. 


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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,849
    Another statement against the vandalism and church burnings 

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-churches-arson-attacks-1.6088237

    I heard a brief interview on CBC today with an Indigenous woman from the nation near New Hazelton. Their church was burned down last night even though they had arranged security to try to protect it after it was first attacked last week. These acts are causing more grief to the indigenous communities. 
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    PJPOWER said:
    In your opinion, what should the Canadian government do to “make things right” for kidnapping and killing and ignoring/covering up their actions?
    The very 1st thing should be getting clean drinking water 💦 to all indigenous reserves…

    Then I would say the government needs to convene a meeting with our indigenous leaders and discuss what they want and need.  Because in the end their needs are what should matter…

    I’ll discuss more later.  I’m just sitting down with a glass of wine, the hockey is at 8…
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  • ZodZod Posts: 10,800
    The very 1st thing should be getting clean drinking water 💦 to all indigenous reserves…

    Then I would say the government needs to convene a meeting with our indigenous leaders and discuss what they want and need.  Because in the end their needs are what should matter…

    I’ll discuss more later.  I’m just sitting down with a glass of wine, the hockey is at 8…
    I think this is challenging in our society, because every time something bubbles up about how First Nations were treated, the government tries to throw money at (and we find out later one, usually less than they promised).

    It feels to me that if it's always about paying money, then eventually it will cause a division in Canadian society.  Mostly because a large chunk of the population is already struggling with their paycheque to paycheque bills, so paying to make up for sins they weren't involved with... not everyone is going to be on board with that.

    I have no idea how to fix it.   Our society and how it's ended up are a bit crazy.  We have a reserve system, that feels like a semi-volunteered system of segregation.   To me it's how do you make First Nations self sufficient, integrate with the rest of society, and maintain their culture.

    If it's keep them segregated, throw money at the problem from time to time, it feels to me like the wheel keeps churning.   If it's ever truly to be solved I don't think it's by throwing money at the problem.  

    That's my thoughts.  It's easy to wear an orange shirt.  It's tough thinking of ways to change our country.
  • SpunkieSpunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 6,860
    edited July 2021
    We don't have to think of ways to change, Zod, the proposals have been made are in varying stages of implementation. Mickeyrat provided links to some reports including TRC and MMIWC on page six. We're making further policy changes, too, such as UNDRIP. Are you, on an individual level, able to implement any of these calls to action? Do you know what they are?

    Life expectancy rates for men on reserves can be 9 years less than other Canadian men. What factor is associated with good health? WEALTH. Therefore, I respectfully disagree with your post, although it seems your heart is in the right place.
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  • SpunkieSpunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 6,860
    edited July 2021
    ^ Also, Zod, without doing any research on this matter, because I'm on a brain break from investigating Indigenous equity and social justice within BC educational institutes, I recall recently reading how the latest money, to help identify the buried, meets one of the TRCs calls to action.

    Edit: TRC calls to action - 73, 75. 
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  • SpunkieSpunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 6,860
    edited November 2023
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    Animals were hiding behind the Coral 
    Except for little Turtle
    I could swear he's trying to talk to me 
    Gurgle Gurgle
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,916
    tish said:
    Meeting action 74, would require contacting my family to see if we would like the brother of an ancestor, who died at school, reburied with an appropriate marker. Who should pay for that endeavor, if ever embarked upon?



    the church operating that "school" or the government or both.....
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    https://globalnews.ca/news/8000755/forensic-team-arrives-lytton-wildfire/

    Forensic team arrives in Lytton, B.C.; investigation into deadly wildfire gears up


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  • SpunkieSpunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 6,860
    ^ That pertains to genocide how? The fire started around dinner time, after a train rolled in? Aren't churches being torched under the cloak of darkness?
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    Animals were hiding behind the Coral 
    Except for little Turtle
    I could swear he's trying to talk to me 
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    I don’t know…maybe churches bring torched and a small town with a Catholic Church getting burned to the ground should properly be investigated…seems awful coincidental to me…

    oh and your premier stated the town fire was separate from the wildfire…suddenly it’s just a wildfire.  And 2 people are dead.  There is no harm in a proper investigation.


    And if it was caused by the railroad then the company should be liable for damage, not the taxpayers…



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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    tish said:
    Meeting action 74, would require contacting my family to see if we would like the brother of an ancestor, who died at school, reburied with an appropriate marker. Who should pay for that endeavor, if ever embarked upon?


    The federal government can demand the church pay or they should be taxed…it’s not that hard to figure out…the Catholic Church is worth, how much, billions or trillion…they are greedy fuckers and should be forced to pay one way or another…
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,916
    so only applies tangentially to genocide.
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Zod said:
    I think this is challenging in our society, because every time something bubbles up about how First Nations were treated, the government tries to throw money at (and we find out later one, usually less than they promised).

    It feels to me that if it's always about paying money, then eventually it will cause a division in Canadian society.  Mostly because a large chunk of the population is already struggling with their paycheque to paycheque bills, so paying to make up for sins they weren't involved with... not everyone is going to be on board with that.

    I have no idea how to fix it.   Our society and how it's ended up are a bit crazy.  We have a reserve system, that feels like a semi-volunteered system of segregation.   To me it's how do you make First Nations self sufficient, integrate with the rest of society, and maintain their culture.

    If it's keep them segregated, throw money at the problem from time to time, it feels to me like the wheel keeps churning.   If it's ever truly to be solved I don't think it's by throwing money at the problem.  

    That's my thoughts.  It's easy to wear an orange shirt.  It's tough thinking of ways to change our country.
    Money from taxpayers is clearly not the answer.  The churches can be taxed to pay restitution for the damage they caused.  The government should settle up with the children as well for their involvement…instead of wasting money on lawyers and court settle that lawsuit…

    The other negotiations need to focus on settling their non monetary issues from the federal government.  And this racist federal government will not do that.  Trudeau is a lazy racist fuck who’s afraid of any work…

    I have no idea how much each reserve receives in funding…but just like our politicians are corrupt and greedy, you can be assured their are plenty of chiefs and councils with 1st nation reserves are corrupt.  

    But, come on.  Really, you are worried about being strapped because we throw 1st nation reserves a few bucks there way when our feds spend 27 billion annually on child benefit…really…now they want to add 100 for daycare.  Seems there is all kinds of money for settlers needs..But fuck anyone else who needs help, like seniors, the disabled, older adults who need retraining…etc,.  Lots of money for Trudeau refugee’s who show up here with a batch full of kids like child making is an Olympic sport..With their hands out…


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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,849
    I don’t know…maybe churches bring torched and a small town with a Catholic Church getting burned to the ground should properly be investigated…seems awful coincidental to me…

    oh and your premier stated the town fire was separate from the wildfire…suddenly it’s just a wildfire.  And 2 people are dead.  There is no harm in a proper investigation.


    And if it was caused by the railroad then the company should be liable for damage, not the taxpayers…



    BC has been in the middle of an extreme heatwave that is only now receding. There are 139 active wildfires burning in the province right now, many new in the last 24 hours. Many other communities have had to be evacuated.  The cause of each should be properly investigated in order for us to get a better handle on fires but to the best of my knowledge there is not thought to be a link to any church burning at present. Most communities in BC, small and large, have Catholic churches so it’s no surprise that Lytton had one as well, so yes, very likely coincidental. 
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,849
    Money from taxpayers is clearly not the answer.  The churches can be taxed to pay restitution for the damage they caused.  The government should settle up with the children as well for their involvement…instead of wasting money on lawyers and court settle that lawsuit…

    The other negotiations need to focus on settling their non monetary issues from the federal government.  And this racist federal government will not do that.  Trudeau is a lazy racist fuck who’s afraid of any work…

    I have no idea how much each reserve receives in funding…but just like our politicians are corrupt and greedy, you can be assured their are plenty of chiefs and councils with 1st nation reserves are corrupt.  

    But, come on.  Really, you are worried about being strapped because we throw 1st nation reserves a few bucks there way when our feds spend 27 billion annually on child benefit…really…now they want to add 100 for daycare.  Seems there is all kinds of money for settlers needs..But fuck anyone else who needs help, like seniors, the disabled, older adults who need retraining…etc,.  Lots of money for Trudeau refugee’s who show up here with a batch full of kids like child making is an Olympic sport..With their hands out…


    That’s an awful and racist statement about refugees. I assume you are referring to the Syrian refugees. I won’t say anything more about it right now other than it’s not surprising to read it from you. 
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  • SpunkieSpunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 6,860
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    Animals were hiding behind the Coral 
    Except for little Turtle
    I could swear he's trying to talk to me 
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,849
    This article talks a bit about the tension within Indigenous communities over the place of Catholic and other Christian churches and the focus on Christian worship rather than Indigenous spiritual practices 

    https://apple.news/AGys5p_8aT1GaTRMIsTLFGA
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Maybe Pearl Jam should stop playing in Canada until they start treating their Indigenous people humanely…?
  • SpunkieSpunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 6,860
    ^ As an Indigenous person, I feel your proposal is inhumane ;)

    They could do a land acknowledgement as proposed last year, instead. Learning a greeting in a First Nation language gets bonus points!
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    Animals were hiding behind the Coral 
    Except for little Turtle
    I could swear he's trying to talk to me 
    Gurgle Gurgle
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    PJPOWER said:
    Maybe Pearl Jam should stop playing in Canada until they start treating their Indigenous people humanely…?
    That might not be a bad idea.  Nothing else has worked.  Money has been talked about, but that’s only one issue.  Indigenous people's want self government, many want decolonization and they want the government to quit running infrastructure projects through their unseeded territory…all of this is hard work…our current prime minister has the work ethic of a 5 year old…he is a LAZY FUCK..  
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739

    Give Peas A Chance…
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,849
    Trudeau announces that Inuk leader Mary Simon will be the next Governor General. The position itself is fraught with challenges but let’s hope that this appointment helps move things forward. 

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  • SpunkieSpunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 6,860
    ^ Thanks for the information, Ms.OR!
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    Animals were hiding behind the Coral 
    Except for little Turtle
    I could swear he's trying to talk to me 
    Gurgle Gurgle
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Inuk leader Mary Simon named Canada's 1st Indigenous governor general | CBC News

    She has big shoes to fill after the wonderful and great Julie Payette.  

    Hopefully, the walls have been patched from Payette throwing shit during her temper tantrums...hehehe

    It does not matter to me who holds such a useless unelected position ... it's still part of colonialism and needs to go.
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Catholic Church raised nearly $300M for buildings since promising residential school survivors $25M in 2005 | CBC News

    Always money for the buildings...

    The Catholic Church is a criminal pedophile ring...
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,916
    Inuk leader Mary Simon named Canada's 1st Indigenous governor general | CBC News

    She has big shoes to fill after the wonderful and great Julie Payette.  

    Hopefully, the walls have been patched from Payette throwing shit during her temper tantrums...hehehe

    It does not matter to me who holds such a useless unelected position ... it's still part of colonialism and needs to go.

    so when do you leave yourself? and where do you go?
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    mickeyrat said:

    so when do you leave yourself? and where do you go?
    mickeyrat said:

    so when do you leave yourself? and where do you go?
    Where have I said we need to leave? Do we need to leave to address our shortcomings?  What's wrong with wanting to end colonization?

    You guys fought a war to gain your independence?  We can end colonization with Britain peacefully...but it should be done through a referendum and at the will of the people.  That's not too much to ask.


    Mexico is where id go...

    Read up on Dieppe...operation planned mostly by Britain but sent Canadians off to get slaughtered, of course, our colonist generals agreed...The UK has a history of abandoning its commonwealth countries...

    There is a good reason that the Captain Cooke statue is in the ocean now...a good reason Sir John A McDonald statues are being vandalized same with queen Victoria and Elizabeth...Pierre Elliot Trudeau's statues should come down as well...he continued building those schools and was a racist prick toward indigenous people...

    I am also a Canadian citizen born here...I do not have to go anywhere.  But in no way am I indoctrinated into thinking we need to continue being a British Commonwealth...even Barbados ended its colonial past with Britain.

    Give Peas A Chance…
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,775
    edited July 2021
    our first family outdoor happy hour over the weekend was got pretty heated at one point; my dad brought up the statue toppling; one generation saying it's senseless destruction of property what happened (even using the term "erasing history" SMFH), the other generation saying "we can't even fathom their pain, let them take down a statue of the family that started the colonization". 

    guess which generation. 

    oh, and I am mostly liberal leaning. does that make me racist? LOL
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