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  • LostRebel
    LostRebel Athens, Greece Posts: 266
    This has "Target/Walmart exclusive release" written all over it. 

    So:
    Enjoy your RSD drop 1 finds.
    Save some money for RSD drop 2.
    No Code on clear vinyl will be available for everyone on Aug.13
  • BC62528
    BC62528 Posts: 227
    I missed out on this one and bummed as well - I understand the complaints coming in.  I'm not a marketing person, but for me the fan base, especially the club members, should be the focus.  If there are items that they know are going to be in high demand, like this one - why not just make it a "pre-order" instead of a "limited item" and keep the members happy instead of frustrated?  I would rather that approach than just have a bunch of "dinosaur" items rotting away in the shop that no one seems to want due to lack of quality or general interest - just seems like a miss to me and wasteful.  I get this is a business - it is just tough for a group of passionate people to digest.  This is really not the of the world - just a head scratcher for me - not understanding the groups approach or rational - similar to the Benny Vinyl - just release it for gods sakes, change the cover for the collectors purpose or something - we just want to be able to listen to it on vinyl - lol
  • Johnny Wong
    Johnny Wong Wauwatosa, WI Posts: 194
    Regardless of vinyl color,   What is the difference between this and the 2016 reissue?   Both claim to be mastered by Ludwig?  Although he didn’t cut the 2016…?   I don’t think he cuts vinyl anymore?

    Is this truly a new mastering spread over 2 LPs?    I’m confused….  Is this new cut from analog tapes?   Nothing seems “clear” about this…?
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  • False_Belief
    False_Belief Cardiff Posts: 763
    edited June 2021
    BC62528 said:
     I would rather that approach than just have a bunch of "dinosaur" items rotting away in the shop that no one seems to want due to lack of quality or general interest 
    I was going to make this point last night but couldn't quite formulate the words.    If it's a terribly designed Halloween shirt, a growler (?!) that nobody asked for or wanted, or a StReAmInG eVeNt then we can all fill our boots and throw money their way to our collective hearts' content..   I can't scroll down my FB timeline without being reminded to buy a 3 year old Missoula show.    But a (first?) colour variant pressing of one of the band's most beloved records?   Be online all day, or go fuck yourself apparently.    Just doesn't make sense......

    A simple 'Pssst - something cool coming on Date/Time so be sure to check in then...' would be more than enough.   It's not going to ruin any of our days if it turns out to be growler or a shirt - but at least give your paying members a fighting chance?  
    Post edited by False_Belief on

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  • PJammer4life
    PJammer4life Los Angeles Posts: 2,669
    LostRebel said:
    This has "Target/Walmart exclusive release" written all over it. 

    So:
    Enjoy your RSD drop 1 finds.
    Save some money for RSD drop 2.
    No Code on clear vinyl will be available for everyone on Aug.13
    Mosquito Red colored exclusive.
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  • cp3iverson
    cp3iverson Posts: 8,702
    edited June 2021
    Johnny Wong said:
    Regardless of vinyl color,   What is the difference between this and the 2016 reissue?   Both claim to be mastered by Ludwig?  Although he didn’t cut the 2016…?   I don’t think he cuts vinyl anymore?

    Is this truly a new mastering spread over 2 LPs?    I’m confused….  Is this new cut from analog tapes?   Nothing seems “clear” about this…?
    Probably no difference at all from 2016 to be honest.  And it’s a 1LP.  

    I want one for sure because of the different color but this isn't an audiophile release.  I’d love for No Code get the 45 RPM Analogue Productions treatment but im not even sure that’s possible. 
  • Cooter
    Cooter Posts: 178
    Drdeal said:
    My sense is that this will be sold at Target on colored vinyl...............   Listening to my clear vinyl UFO Mother Mary 10" single I got at RSD now.  (Mike likes UFO....)
    Black for sure, but haven't seen any Target "exclusive" come through yet. I'll let you know. Embargo lifted btw. It is a one LP release (new art below). Also this is interesting from the setup info:

    "The previously active version of this item (Sel# 88875188981) included one of four sets of nine random replica polaroid’s/lyric cards. This version has just one fixed set of nine polaroid’s."
  • Cooter
    Cooter Posts: 178
    cp3iverson said:
    Johnny Wong said:
    Regardless of vinyl color,   What is the difference between this and the 2016 reissue?   Both claim to be mastered by Ludwig?  Although he didn’t cut the 2016…?   I don’t think he cuts vinyl anymore?

    Is this truly a new mastering spread over 2 LPs?    I’m confused….  Is this new cut from analog tapes?   Nothing seems “clear” about this…?
    Probably no difference at all from 2016 to be honest.  And it’s a 1LP.  

    I want one for sure because of the different color but this isn't an audiophile release.  I’d love for No Code get the 45 RPM Analogue Productions treatment but im not even sure that’s possible. 
    No confirmation, but I would highly expect that the pressing is identical to the 2016 release. If I find out definitively, I will update.
  • PJammer4life
    PJammer4life Los Angeles Posts: 2,669
    Seems to me had this been released for RSD a few days prior many would have felt they at least a chance. This was a Ten Club exclusive that was not sold on the 10th, as they went with the Growler/Tumbler instead as the feature merchant item. Being how revered No Code is here, they should have put it in the newsletter on the 10th as a heads up or just sold it then.
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  • on2legs
    on2legs Posts: 15,950
    LostRebel said:
    This has "Target/Walmart exclusive release" written all over it. 

    So:
    Enjoy your RSD drop 1 finds.
    Save some money for RSD drop 2.
    No Code on clear vinyl will be available for everyone on Aug.13
    Anything is possible… but the purple ten actually had the Target exclusive sticker on the album photo in the shop listing. I’m not seeing that with No Code.   I’m guessing the August release will be just the black vinyl.  
    1996: Randall's Island 2  1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2  2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel  2005: Atlantic City 1  2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 (#25) | Newark (EV)  2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4  2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2  2011: Toronto 1  2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2015: Central Park  2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD)  2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF)  2020: MSG | Asbury Park  2021: Asbury Park  2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville  2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2025: Raleigh


  • ryanphishes
    ryanphishes Posts: 586
    edited June 2021
    Anyone who thinks they should have pressed enough of these for every Ten Club member doesn't realize how many Ten Club members there are and that only a fraction collect records, which would leave them with thousands or tens of thousands of extra records.

    I didn't get one.  I'll just get the black vinyl on 8/13.  If you are that big a collector that you have to have clear vinyl, then I bet you can afford it on ebay or sell / trade something you have to find one.


    Dallas 2013 
    Wrigley 2016 Night 1
    Wrigley 2016 Night 2
    MSG 2020
    OKC 2020

  • Abe Froman
    Abe Froman Posts: 5,379
    I’m kinda glad I missed it after thinking about it. Why no bonus tracks?  It literally seems exactly like the 2016 reissue except clear. Still super fucking annoying loyal fans that want to spend money on their band have zero chance of getting this unless on secondary market. It seems things are trending toward the PJ BRAND more than I’d ever care to admit. Consistent merch cash grabs, very few shows, no more annual vinyl single etc. Didn’t think I’d ever type that here. 
  • False_Belief
    False_Belief Cardiff Posts: 763
    ryanphishes said:
    If you are that big a collector that you have to have clear vinyl, then I bet you can afford it on ebay or sell / trade something you have to find one.


    Hell of a leap in logic here!  I think you underestimate how selective some of us are in terms of spending our hard earned on this band 

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  • False_Belief
    False_Belief Cardiff Posts: 763
    edited June 2021
    ryanphishes said:
    Anyone who thinks they should have pressed enough of these for every Ten Club member doesn't realize how many Ten Club members there are and that only a fraction collect records,



    Also: economy of scale and the fact that they’ve been in this game long enough means that this really should t be an issue. 
    Post edited by False_Belief on

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  • on2legs
    on2legs Posts: 15,950
    I can get the frustration over missing out on an item.  I’ve missed out many times.  

    But I don’t really buy into the “cash grab” idea.  They could release waaaay more merch if they really wanted to milk the fan base.  Releasing a few new items every couple months doesn’t really feel like a cash grab to me.  I think it’s more like they release items here and there to keep us on the hook between tours when they really pump out the merch and make a ton of money.  
    1996: Randall's Island 2  1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2  2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel  2005: Atlantic City 1  2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 (#25) | Newark (EV)  2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4  2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2  2011: Toronto 1  2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2015: Central Park  2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD)  2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF)  2020: MSG | Asbury Park  2021: Asbury Park  2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville  2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2025: Raleigh


  • pt159835
    pt159835 Posts: 71

  • ryanphishes
    ryanphishes Posts: 586
    False_Belief said:
    ryanphishes said:
    If you are that big a collector that you have to have clear vinyl, then I bet you can afford it on ebay or sell / trade something you have to find one.


    Hell of a leap in logic here!  I think you underestimate how selective some of us are in terms of spending our hard earned on this band 
    It's not a logic thing.  It's a limited edition thing.  Limited edition means not everyone will get it.  If you collect limited stuff and you MUST have the clear vinyl, you can buy it on the secondary market or trade something else you have that you don't care about as much.  

    Do you care about all of your limited edition/PJ merch equally?

    I find that hard to believe, but it's not a matter of logic.

    If you're so selective in your purchases, would you really have bought this yesterday, immediately, when it said it is coming out on 8/13...or would you have thought about just picking it up at a store to save on shipping and the time it takes Ten Club to ship things?

    People are understandably upset that they missed it, but people would also be complaining if they bought it and it was available at Target, like purple Ten was.

    It's the internet, and people will complain no matter what.  Like I said, there's no way to make a limited edition record for all 10 club members.

    I ended up being able to place an order through that merchbar site, and they cancelled it.  That's worth complaining about IMO, but it's also not the end of my world.
    Dallas 2013 
    Wrigley 2016 Night 1
    Wrigley 2016 Night 2
    MSG 2020
    OKC 2020

  • False_Belief
    False_Belief Cardiff Posts: 763
    ryanphishes said:
    False_Belief said:
    ryanphishes said:
    If you are that big a collector that you have to have clear vinyl, then I bet you can afford it on ebay or sell / trade something you have to find one.


    Hell of a leap in logic here!  I think you underestimate how selective some of us are in terms of spending our hard earned on this band 
    It's not a logic thing.  It's a limited edition thing.  Limited edition means not everyone will get it.  If you collect limited stuff and you MUST have the clear vinyl, you can buy it on the secondary market or trade something else you have that you don't care about as much.  

    Do you care about all of your limited edition/PJ merch equally?

    I find that hard to believe, but it's not a matter of logic.

    If you're so selective in your purchases, would you really have bought this yesterday, immediately, when it said it is coming out on 8/13...or would you have thought about just picking it up at a store to save on shipping and the time it takes Ten Club to ship things?

    People are understandably upset that they missed it, but people would also be complaining if they bought it and it was available at Target, like purple Ten was.

    It's the internet, and people will complain no matter what.  Like I said, there's no way to make a limited edition record for all 10 club members.

    I ended up being able to place an order through that merchbar site, and they cancelled it.  That's worth complaining about IMO, but it's also not the end of my world.
    No, it absolutely is misplaced logic on your part.   You've incorrectly assumed that I or anyone else who wanted to own a copy of this particular record has the means to just go and buy one at an inflated price from the secondary market.    I literally just told you that some of us are selective and don't rush to buy any old 'limited edition' release.   

    Of course I'd have jumped at this yesterday - there was a very clear implication that the clear variant was exclusive to 10C.  This fact makes me no less 'selective' in my purchasing choices. I have no interest in owning another black vinyl general release copy.    I don't see why this is so hard to understand...

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  • BC62528
    BC62528 Posts: 227
    I think PJ should cover the Rolling Stones' "You Can't Always Get What You Want" on their next tour and dedicate it to the 10C...lol.  "A lesson to be applied" Present Tense/No Code - Vedder/Mccready
  • JBob87
    JBob87 Posts: 485
    The only thing about this that really bothers me is giving a heads up on social media / here before the email goes out. The email goes out to ALL members. The sale should be timed to begin a set period of time after the email goes out.

    The expectation that members have to sit around F5'ing this message board...Facebook/IG...and their emails to have a shot at things is ridiculous.

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