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mrussel1 said:
I thought they stopped infections at a 90 to 95% clip (depending on which one) and prevent serious illness at a 99% rate. Not accurate?lastexitlondon said:
None of these vaccines stops infection. All are the same in that sence. But they will stop illness and hospitalizations in most. Some have still caught and sadly died and had 2 pfizer shots. Not many but someHughFreakingDillon said:
that I'm not sure on. we know that yes, people vaccinated can still spread it, but I think with pfiser it can actually prevent people from being infected, astrazeneca cannot. not sure about J&J.Ledbetterman10 said:
So they’ll be just as vulnerable even if we achieved herd immunity right? Since even vaccinated people can spread the virus.HughFreakingDillon said:
people allergic to its ingredients, people on blood thinners, there are more.Ledbetterman10 said:That’s a good point on people that can’t be vaccinated for a medical reason. What are some of the medical reasons that would prevent someone from getting it?
and it also matters about viral load. if you don't have enough virus to get sick yourself, how much you pass on would be lesser, thus also preventing others from getting very ill. But @oftenreading is the best person to speak on such things.Yes, were finding out they're stopping infections. Remember, we don't know 100% about how the vaccine and virus interact. The scientists have been very slow to release information and that is on purpose. That's the problem with peoples understanding of the scientific method. Science observes repetitive occurrences until they become data/evidence. When the evidence is overwhelming we then consider it a near approximation of the truth.The problem with the recent anti-science rhetoric is that if anything is stated and later found to be incorrect, then one side jumps out and says, "A-ha! You were lying all along. You're just a bunch of morons." The reality is that science isn't perfect and it makes mistakes. However the purity of science is that it is always seeking the truth and hence it will always correct itself. Charlatans, con-men, incorrect theories, falsified data, etc. will always get disproven and corrected. It just takes time.I'm a urologist and have a BS in biology so if people have questions I'd be happy to answer. I'm obviously not a virus expert and wouldn't purport to be one but I do have extensive daily updates from my health system and have done a lot of personal educating about this.Here is a link to the CDC on vaccine infection prevention:
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JB56195 said:mrussel1 said:
I thought they stopped infections at a 90 to 95% clip (depending on which one) and prevent serious illness at a 99% rate. Not accurate?lastexitlondon said:
None of these vaccines stops infection. All are the same in that sence. But they will stop illness and hospitalizations in most. Some have still caught and sadly died and had 2 pfizer shots. Not many but someHughFreakingDillon said:
that I'm not sure on. we know that yes, people vaccinated can still spread it, but I think with pfiser it can actually prevent people from being infected, astrazeneca cannot. not sure about J&J.Ledbetterman10 said:
So they’ll be just as vulnerable even if we achieved herd immunity right? Since even vaccinated people can spread the virus.HughFreakingDillon said:
people allergic to its ingredients, people on blood thinners, there are more.Ledbetterman10 said:That’s a good point on people that can’t be vaccinated for a medical reason. What are some of the medical reasons that would prevent someone from getting it?
and it also matters about viral load. if you don't have enough virus to get sick yourself, how much you pass on would be lesser, thus also preventing others from getting very ill. But @oftenreading is the best person to speak on such things.Yes, were finding out they're stopping infections. Remember, we don't know 100% about how the vaccine and virus interact. The scientists have been very slow to release information and that is on purpose. That's the problem with peoples understanding of the scientific method. Science observes repetitive occurrences until they become data/evidence. When the evidence is overwhelming we then consider it a near approximation of the truth.The problem with the recent anti-science rhetoric is that if anything is stated and later found to be incorrect, then one side jumps out and says, "A-ha! You were lying all along. You're just a bunch of morons." The reality is that science isn't perfect and it makes mistakes. However the purity of science is that it is always seeking the truth and hence it will always correct itself. Charlatans, con-men, incorrect theories, falsified data, etc. will always get disproven and corrected. It just takes time.I'm a urologist and have a BS in biology so if people have questions I'd be happy to answer. I'm obviously not a virus expert and wouldn't purport to be one but I do have extensive daily updates from my health system and have done a lot of personal educating about this.Here is a link to the CDC on vaccine infection prevention:WELCOME!!!!!!We need to get you and giventopostfalsehoods together..._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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K-12 going remote learning on wednesday until May 30th. should be an interesting few weeks working at home with both my daughters here. oh well, make the best of it, daddy daughter style. go out for bike rides at lunch, etc.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0
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^Ya, I was thinking of you when I saw that news. A few weeks back, I was wondering if my daughter's in-class learning would make it to the end of the year without disruption. It seems we will, as we come down from our third peak.
We played a lot of hooky this spring! Happy outdoors Mother's day!
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This means that not wearing masks and refusing to take vaccines is finally turned the corner and is working. Great news!PJNB said:Some good news0 -
LOLYour boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0
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yeah, we would have been out of this a lot faster had we just lived as normal, mrussel1. come on.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0
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Well it's kinda true isn't it? More people would have died right but herd immunity would have been reached. Isn't that what the 1918 pandemic charts showed of the different cities?HughFreakingDillon said:yeah, we would have been out of this a lot faster had we just lived as normal, mrussel1. come on.
Not saying it was the right choice, cause I don;t think it would have been, but I'll go look for those chartshippiemom = goodness0 -
After much internal debate, I have decided that having restaurants close for a time and some negative GDP is probably better than millions up millions of additional human deaths. It was a close call, ended up flipping some coins, used a magic 8 ball and did some Rock/Scissors/Paper, but ultimately decided that human life is more important than positive GDP.cincybearcat said:
Well it's kinda true isn't it? More people would have died right but herd immunity would have been reached. Isn't that what the 1918 pandemic charts showed of the different cities?HughFreakingDillon said:yeah, we would have been out of this a lot faster had we just lived as normal, mrussel1. come on.
Not saying it was the right choice, cause I don;t think it would have been, but I'll go look for those charts0 -
Hard to say, really, that we now know people can be reinfected. the vaccine at least provides some security from nasty sickness and death. but yeah, sure, i suppose technically it would have been faster to just do nothing.cincybearcat said:
Well it's kinda true isn't it? More people would have died right but herd immunity would have been reached. Isn't that what the 1918 pandemic charts showed of the different cities?HughFreakingDillon said:yeah, we would have been out of this a lot faster had we just lived as normal, mrussel1. come on.
Not saying it was the right choice, cause I don;t think it would have been, but I'll go look for those charts
guess i'll have to watch the wording of my sarcasm next time. lolYour boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 -
Your sarcasm was perfectly clear.HughFreakingDillon said:
Hard to say, really, that we now know people can be reinfected. the vaccine at least provides some security from nasty sickness and death. but yeah, sure, i suppose technically it would have been faster to just do nothing.cincybearcat said:
Well it's kinda true isn't it? More people would have died right but herd immunity would have been reached. Isn't that what the 1918 pandemic charts showed of the different cities?HughFreakingDillon said:yeah, we would have been out of this a lot faster had we just lived as normal, mrussel1. come on.
Not saying it was the right choice, cause I don;t think it would have been, but I'll go look for those charts
guess i'll have to watch the wording of my sarcasm next time. lol0 -
tish said:^Ya, I was thinking of you when I saw that news. A few weeks back, I was wondering if my daughter's in-class learning would make it to the end of the year without disruption. It seems we will, as we come down from our third peak.
We played a lot of hooky this spring! Happy outdoors Mother's day.
Fun!I'm envious. I would love to go horse riding more often but the three time I've ridden went like this:First time: Horse knows I'm a newbie, takes off running, scares me to death!Second time: Visiting a friend in Tennessee, he takes me riding. I get on the horse. The horse looks at me with a look that says, "You don't have a fucking clue about any of this, do you?" and refuses to budge.Third time: Well, either third time's a charm or I was very, very lucky. The horse owner tell me, "Don't worry, Starlet is a very forgiving horse." Sure enough, she puts up with my naivete and we get in a decent ride.Horse are smart. Most would never put up with me.
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Nice to hear from you Briguy. Hope you're getting in some outdoor time! My current situation is at camp. A camper at the next site over is playing the violin, quite beautifullly, I might add. Geese honk, wood chops fill the green scented air.brianlux said:tish said:^Ya, I was thinking of you when I saw that news. A few weeks back, I was wondering if my daughter's in-class learning would make it to the end of the year without disruption. It seems we will, as we come down from our third peak.
We played a lot of hooky this spring! Happy outdoors Mother's day.Fun!I'm envious. I would love to go horse riding more often but the three time I've ridden went like this:First time: Horse knows I'm a newbie, takes off running, scares me to death!Second time: Visiting a friend in Tennessee, he takes me riding. I get on the horse. The horse looks at me with a look that says, "You don't have a fucking clue about any of this, do you?" and refuses to budge.Third time: Well, either third time's a charm or I was very, very lucky. The horse owner tell me, "Don't worry, Starlet is a very forgiving horse." Sure enough, she puts up with my naivete and we get in a decent ride.Horse are smart. Most would never put up with me.
I hate that I have to wait 3 days over the weekend for an update in BC. On Mondays, I can't make an informed decision before I pack my kid off to school!
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Well, I cannot in good conscience cheer for thousands of people to catch the illness and then spread to to many, many thousands of others. That said, the lack of news from that Rangers game has probably been a double-edged sword. So if there is no known spread from this, I hope to find out why. Even if that "why" is related to some very low incidents of testing.nicknyr15 said:
I guess we have to wait and see. Regardless of politics we should be all be rooting against that happening no?josevolution said:
I’m sure the virus was strong with this crowd!nicknyr15 said:73,000 people at the Canelo fight last night in Texas.
Taken at face value, what does the lack of fallout from the Rangers game tell us? Is it over? (I mean, no, obviously) Have we over-estimated the impact on bigger groups? Were masks properly used by almost all (I highly doubt that). Were any other precautions taken that aren't norms? Were temperatures taken on the way in? Is testing way down in DFW or the State of Texas? Was the roof open or closed (I really should know that one). And I know this fight is in the same state, but I wonder whether there are variables that can be compared in case the results turn out differently.1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine 2013 Wrigley 2014 St. Paul 2016 Fenway, Fenway, Wrigley, Wrigley 2018 Missoula, Wrigley, Wrigley 2021 Asbury Park 2022 St Louis 2023 Austin, Austin 2024 Napa, Wrigley, Wrigley 2025 Nashville (II)0 -
Between this and what the CDC has been saying the last 1-2 weeks, my biggest take away isOnWis97 said:
Well, I cannot in good conscience cheer for thousands of people to catch the illness and then spread to to many, many thousands of others. That said, the lack of news from that Rangers game has probably been a double-edged sword. So if there is no known spread from this, I hope to find out why. Even if that "why" is related to some very low incidents of testing.nicknyr15 said:
I guess we have to wait and see. Regardless of politics we should be all be rooting against that happening no?josevolution said:
I’m sure the virus was strong with this crowd!nicknyr15 said:73,000 people at the Canelo fight last night in Texas.
Taken at face value, what does the lack of fallout from the Rangers game tell us? Is it over? (I mean, no, obviously) Have we over-estimated the impact on bigger groups? Were masks properly used by almost all (I highly doubt that). Were any other precautions taken that aren't norms? Were temperatures taken on the way in? Is testing way down in DFW or the State of Texas? Was the roof open or closed (I really should know that one). And I know this fight is in the same state, but I wonder whether there are variables that can be compared in case the results turn out differently.
If you’re outdoors or in an indoor area with excellent filtration (planes etc) you’re probably fine.But if you’re in a small room indoors or anywhere inside without good filtration, that’s where the spread is really happening2010: Cleveland
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2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II
2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver
2015: New York City
2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly II / New York City II / Toronto II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway I / Wrigley I / Wrigley - II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco
2017: Ohana Fest (EV)
2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II
2021: Asbury Park / Ohana Encore 1 / Ohana Encore 2
2022: Phoenix / LA I / LA II / Quebec City / Ottawa / New York City / Camden / Nashville / St. Louis / Denver
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That could be why most of the stories I've seen about spreader events are weddings and family reunions (i.e., those stories where a dozen people at the same wedding were positive and four of them died) but I don't feel like really large events have led to any stories.Weston1283 said:
Between this and what the CDC has been saying the last 1-2 weeks, my biggest take away isOnWis97 said:
Well, I cannot in good conscience cheer for thousands of people to catch the illness and then spread to to many, many thousands of others. That said, the lack of news from that Rangers game has probably been a double-edged sword. So if there is no known spread from this, I hope to find out why. Even if that "why" is related to some very low incidents of testing.nicknyr15 said:
I guess we have to wait and see. Regardless of politics we should be all be rooting against that happening no?josevolution said:
I’m sure the virus was strong with this crowd!nicknyr15 said:73,000 people at the Canelo fight last night in Texas.
Taken at face value, what does the lack of fallout from the Rangers game tell us? Is it over? (I mean, no, obviously) Have we over-estimated the impact on bigger groups? Were masks properly used by almost all (I highly doubt that). Were any other precautions taken that aren't norms? Were temperatures taken on the way in? Is testing way down in DFW or the State of Texas? Was the roof open or closed (I really should know that one). And I know this fight is in the same state, but I wonder whether there are variables that can be compared in case the results turn out differently.
If you’re outdoors or in an indoor area with excellent filtration (planes etc) you’re probably fine.But if you’re in a small room indoors or anywhere inside without good filtration, that’s where the spread is really happening1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine 2013 Wrigley 2014 St. Paul 2016 Fenway, Fenway, Wrigley, Wrigley 2018 Missoula, Wrigley, Wrigley 2021 Asbury Park 2022 St Louis 2023 Austin, Austin 2024 Napa, Wrigley, Wrigley 2025 Nashville (II)0 -
Yeah. I’ve always found it interesting how I don’t think I’ve ever heard a single story about pilots and flight attendants spreading the virus at an abnormal rate. I think the studies out there regarding planes being safe are accurate.OnWis97 said:
That could be why most of the stories I've seen about spreader events are weddings and family reunions (i.e., those stories where a dozen people at the same wedding were positive and four of them died) but I don't feel like really large events have led to any stories.Weston1283 said:
Between this and what the CDC has been saying the last 1-2 weeks, my biggest take away isOnWis97 said:
Well, I cannot in good conscience cheer for thousands of people to catch the illness and then spread to to many, many thousands of others. That said, the lack of news from that Rangers game has probably been a double-edged sword. So if there is no known spread from this, I hope to find out why. Even if that "why" is related to some very low incidents of testing.nicknyr15 said:
I guess we have to wait and see. Regardless of politics we should be all be rooting against that happening no?josevolution said:
I’m sure the virus was strong with this crowd!nicknyr15 said:73,000 people at the Canelo fight last night in Texas.
Taken at face value, what does the lack of fallout from the Rangers game tell us? Is it over? (I mean, no, obviously) Have we over-estimated the impact on bigger groups? Were masks properly used by almost all (I highly doubt that). Were any other precautions taken that aren't norms? Were temperatures taken on the way in? Is testing way down in DFW or the State of Texas? Was the roof open or closed (I really should know that one). And I know this fight is in the same state, but I wonder whether there are variables that can be compared in case the results turn out differently.
If you’re outdoors or in an indoor area with excellent filtration (planes etc) you’re probably fine.But if you’re in a small room indoors or anywhere inside without good filtration, that’s where the spread is really happening2010: Cleveland
2012: Atlanta
2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II
2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver
2015: New York City
2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly II / New York City II / Toronto II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway I / Wrigley I / Wrigley - II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco
2017: Ohana Fest (EV)
2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II
2021: Asbury Park / Ohana Encore 1 / Ohana Encore 2
2022: Phoenix / LA I / LA II / Quebec City / Ottawa / New York City / Camden / Nashville / St. Louis / Denver
2023: St. Paul II
2024: Las Vegas I / Las Vegas II / New York City I / New York City II / Philly I / Philly II / Baltimore0 -
Maybe the cure is beer and hotdogsWeston1283 said:
Between this and what the CDC has been saying the last 1-2 weeks, my biggest take away isOnWis97 said:
Well, I cannot in good conscience cheer for thousands of people to catch the illness and then spread to to many, many thousands of others. That said, the lack of news from that Rangers game has probably been a double-edged sword. So if there is no known spread from this, I hope to find out why. Even if that "why" is related to some very low incidents of testing.nicknyr15 said:
I guess we have to wait and see. Regardless of politics we should be all be rooting against that happening no?josevolution said:
I’m sure the virus was strong with this crowd!nicknyr15 said:73,000 people at the Canelo fight last night in Texas.
Taken at face value, what does the lack of fallout from the Rangers game tell us? Is it over? (I mean, no, obviously) Have we over-estimated the impact on bigger groups? Were masks properly used by almost all (I highly doubt that). Were any other precautions taken that aren't norms? Were temperatures taken on the way in? Is testing way down in DFW or the State of Texas? Was the roof open or closed (I really should know that one). And I know this fight is in the same state, but I wonder whether there are variables that can be compared in case the results turn out differently.
If you’re outdoors or in an indoor area with excellent filtration (planes etc) you’re probably fine.But if you’re in a small room indoors or anywhere inside without good filtration, that’s where the spread is really happening
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