#46 President Joe Biden

Is everyone that is wholeheartedly agreeing with carville over 40?  I’m wondering if this is a generational worldview thing.  Most of the people I know would disagree with a lot of his opinion. And they aren’t all “far left”. For instance the Latinx thing, that is something that I was unaware of until people I know who are younger than me  and identify as Latinx and prefer the term explained it to me. I don’t think this is from those high falutin university teachers lounges as carville claims.  I think there is a lot of societal awakening to problematic cultural norms across t he board.

  It kind of mirrors the right in a way, where when there is something he can’t understand he just blames academic echelons, that actually seems to be the Teapublican playbook of the last 15 years.  I hope that isn’t what he meant by messaging more like republicans.

static111 said:

Is everyone that is wholeheartedly agreeing with carville over 40?  I’m wondering if this is a generational worldview thing.  Most of the people I know would disagree with a lot of his opinion. And they aren’t all “far left”. For instance the Latinx thing, that is something that I was unaware of until people I know who are younger than me  and identify as Latinx and prefer the term explained it to me. I don’t think this is from those high falutin university teachers lounges as carville claims.  I think there is a lot of societal awakening to problematic cultural norms across t he board.

  It kind of mirrors the right in a way, where when there is something he can’t understand he just blames academic echelons, that actually seems to be the Teapublican playbook of the last 15 years.  I hope that isn’t what he meant by messaging more like republicans.

he knows who are the majority of voters, and it isn't the people who use that type of language. democrats keep trying to tap into the under 25 voter, but it seems to be very difficult to tap into, but when they try, they often turn off the regular voter they've come to depend on. 

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

Is everyone that is wholeheartedly agreeing with carville over 40?  I’m wondering if this is a generational worldview thing.  Most of the people I know would disagree with a lot of his opinion. And they aren’t all “far left”. For instance the Latinx thing, that is something that I was unaware of until people I know who are younger than me  and identify as Latinx and prefer the term explained it to me. I don’t think this is from those high falutin university teachers lounges as carville claims.  I think there is a lot of societal awakening to problematic cultural norms across t he board.

  It kind of mirrors the right in a way, where when there is something he can’t understand he just blames academic echelons, that actually seems to be the Teapublican playbook of the last 15 years.  I hope that isn’t what he meant by messaging more like republicans.

I don't have an issue with the nomenclature per se.  Language changes over time and it's always painful for those that are older and don't want to adjust their language.  My issue with wokeness is on two things, connected:

1. Holding people accountable today, based on actions years ago when those actions were socially acceptable.  Black face is a good example.  It's a terrible thing, but black face in the 80's was nothing.  In fact, there was a friggin' big movie in the 80s called Soul Man that was about a white guy that got into Harvard by pretending to be Black.  C. Thomas Howell was in Black face the whole movie! 
2. Correspondingly, the unforgiving nature of the media, twittersphere, etc. on these items.  They just want a scalp and to wreck people's lives.  

I’m with you on this, but I think extreme examples like you have just given are used to justify not holding anyone to any accountability especially on the right.

I don't know.. if you do something like storm a Capitol, that's never socially acceptable.  Sexual assault? Nope.  Harassment?  Nope. Now have I ever called a friend "gay" or a "fag" in high school?  Mmmmm maybe.  I've seen it done for sure and no one meant it like they wanted to commit a hate crime.  It was just language back then, but that's not okay today. 

CM189191 said:

James Carville

"But the Democrats can’t fuck it up. They have to make the Republicans own that insurrection every day. They have to pound it. They have to call bookers on cable news shows. They have to get people to write op-eds. There will be all kinds of investigations and stories dripping out for god knows how long, and the Democrats should spend every day tying all of it to the Republican Party. They can’t sit back and wait for it to happen."

Hey Carville - Didn't you just describe your fucking job? 

Carville keeps saying "they, they, they".  Isn't he a Democratic strategist?  Shouldn't he be saying "we, we, we"? 

Maybe spend more time messaging about the Republican Party, and less time sabotaging your own party.  What rock did you crawl out from under, and where were you hiding during the Trump years?

Carville's time has past, this article shows his antiquated thinking and inability to evolve.  Time to ride off into the sunset Carville!

I think he's retired.  He's not an active consultant for anyone now. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

static111 said:

Is everyone that is wholeheartedly agreeing with carville over 40?  I’m wondering if this is a generational worldview thing.  Most of the people I know would disagree with a lot of his opinion. And they aren’t all “far left”. For instance the Latinx thing, that is something that I was unaware of until people I know who are younger than me  and identify as Latinx and prefer the term explained it to me. I don’t think this is from those high falutin university teachers lounges as carville claims.  I think there is a lot of societal awakening to problematic cultural norms across t he board.

  It kind of mirrors the right in a way, where when there is something he can’t understand he just blames academic echelons, that actually seems to be the Teapublican playbook of the last 15 years.  I hope that isn’t what he meant by messaging more like republicans.

he knows who are the majority of voters, and it isn't the people who use that type of language. democrats keep trying to tap into the under 25 voter, but it seems to be very difficult to tap into, but when they try, they often turn off the regular voter they've come to depend on. 

Agreed. And I'm 42, unfortunately. lol

static111 said:

Is everyone that is wholeheartedly agreeing with carville over 40?  I’m wondering if this is a generational worldview thing.  Most of the people I know would disagree with a lot of his opinion. And they aren’t all “far left”. For instance the Latinx thing, that is something that I was unaware of until people I know who are younger than me  and identify as Latinx and prefer the term explained it to me. I don’t think this is from those high falutin university teachers lounges as carville claims.  I think there is a lot of societal awakening to problematic cultural norms across t he board.

  It kind of mirrors the right in a way, where when there is something he can’t understand he just blames academic echelons, that actually seems to be the Teapublican playbook of the last 15 years.  I hope that isn’t what he meant by messaging more like republicans.

gvn2fly1421 said:

Posted in the coronavirus thread, but this is way too good not to be shared here as well...

https://twitter.com/thorsome1/status/1387164094487154691

Is it good?  Really?  A man chooses to wear a mask even though CDC changes guidance.  This says a lot more about you than Biden.  

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Posted in the coronavirus thread, but this is way too good not to be shared here as well...

https://twitter.com/thorsome1/status/1387164094487154691

Is it good?  Really?  A man chooses to wear a mask even though CDC changes guidance.  This says a lot more about you than Biden.  

Well he is vaccinated, outdoors, and nowhere near anybody. Couldn't he demonstrate that it's okay to not be wearing a mask in this situation? The same way Trump's behavior led people to wrongly believe the virus wasn't a big deal, Biden makes it look like you should still be worried about it even if you're, as I said, vaccinated, outdoors, and nowhere near anybody. The other day, he was on Zoom with other world leaders, and he was the only one wearing a mask. If the vaccine works, as I believe it does, what's with the mask in these two situations? 

He walked to a fucking podium.  There's at least ONE camera there, and likely many more, along with all of the people that surround the president.  He's not walking aimlessly in a garden.  
And was that zoom call outside, with no advisors anywhere near him?  I would seriously doubt that.  

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Posted in the coronavirus thread, but this is way too good not to be shared here as well...

https://twitter.com/thorsome1/status/1387164094487154691

Is it good?  Really?  A man chooses to wear a mask even though CDC changes guidance.  This says a lot more about you than Biden.  

Well he is vaccinated, outdoors, and nowhere near anybody. Couldn't he demonstrate that it's okay to not be wearing a mask in this situation? The same way Trump's behavior led people to wrongly believe the virus wasn't a big deal, Biden makes it look like you should still be worried about it even if you're, as I said, vaccinated, outdoors, and nowhere near anybody. The other day, he was on Zoom with other world leaders, and he was the only one wearing a mask. If the vaccine works, as I believe it does, what's with the mask in these two situations? 

He walked to a fucking podium.  There's at least ONE camera there, and likely many more, along with all of the people that surround the president.  He's not walking aimlessly in a garden.  
And was that zoom call outside, with no advisors anywhere near him?  I would seriously doubt that.  

Does it deserve front page coverage? No.
But it is funny, and without a doubt is playing to the mask vs unmask division. There is zero reason to be wearing a mask in that situation other than to make a statement. That doesn't make him a bad person or bad president. But lets not pretend it was anything else. He was not surrounded by his people, there was clearly no one within 50 feet. And at least 1 camera? How close do you think that one camera ones?  Plenty far enough to not worry about it. 
Like I said, I see it funny more than anything. But we don't need to pretend its anything other than what it was, making a statement.

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Posted in the coronavirus thread, but this is way too good not to be shared here as well...

https://twitter.com/thorsome1/status/1387164094487154691

Is it good?  Really?  A man chooses to wear a mask even though CDC changes guidance.  This says a lot more about you than Biden.  

Well he is vaccinated, outdoors, and nowhere near anybody. Couldn't he demonstrate that it's okay to not be wearing a mask in this situation? The same way Trump's behavior led people to wrongly believe the virus wasn't a big deal, Biden makes it look like you should still be worried about it even if you're, as I said, vaccinated, outdoors, and nowhere near anybody. The other day, he was on Zoom with other world leaders, and he was the only one wearing a mask. If the vaccine works, as I believe it does, what's with the mask in these two situations? 

He walked to a fucking podium.  There's at least ONE camera there, and likely many more, along with all of the people that surround the president.  He's not walking aimlessly in a garden.  
And was that zoom call outside, with no advisors anywhere near him?  I would seriously doubt that.  

But he's vaccinated. And I think in the case of the Zoom, his advisers that surround him can keep a bit of a distance like the advisers to the other world leaders on the call. I know you're defensive of ole Joe and that's fine. But come on, if you made that same walk to the podium outdoors, vaccinated, and not near anybody, would you be wearing the mask? I think the thought of the Biden administration (pardon me, the BIden/Harris administration, as it's been instructed to be called) is to model wearing the masks to encourage it. Okay. But at some point, if the vaccine works as we're told it does, and CDC recommendations have changed, shouldn't they be modeling when also not to wear it? Or is it "better safe than sorry, so wear your mask for the rest of your life"?