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 No we had them in our pockets and would've put them on before walking in, if we couldn't see through the window about 20 people inside not wearing them. So the bartender asked us to put masks on, walked us 5 feet to a table that was like 5 feet away from the next table where people were maskless, and were told we can now take off our masks.The Juggler said:
 You went to an inside bar and didn't bring a mask?Ledbetterman10 said:
 I'm not trying to make a stand against masks. I just question some of the logistics of it all. Like on Saturday for instance, we try to go into a bar (in Pennsylvania), and didn't have masks on because you can see in the window that nobody in there was wearing one. But we were told we have to walk in with a mask, and then we can take it off when we're seated. And it's not like social-distancing was really in effect because there were guys at the bar all seated next to one another without masks on. Well that makes no sense.mrussel1 said:
 Why are people trying to make a stand against masks 13 months later? The anti maskers/vaxxers lost the battle. Give it up.Merkin Baller said:
 I can't imagine being this big of a bitch about other people wearing a mask during a pandemic.
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 See? Dumb memes and videos. Not much else left of the republican party these daysgvn2fly1421 said:The Juggler said:
 You went to an inside bar and didn't bring a mask?Ledbetterman10 said:
 I'm not trying to make a stand against masks. I just question some of the logistics of it all. Like on Saturday for instance, we try to go into a bar (in Pennsylvania), and didn't have masks on because you can see in the window that nobody in there was wearing one. But we were told we have to walk in with a mask, and then we can take it off when we're seated. And it's not like social-distancing was really in effect because there were guys at the bar all seated next to one another without masks on. Well that makes no sense.mrussel1 said:
 Why are people trying to make a stand against masks 13 months later? The anti maskers/vaxxers lost the battle. Give it up.Merkin Baller said:
 I can't imagine being this big of a bitch about other people wearing a mask during a pandemic. 
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 These are all compromise positions. Clearly the best situation is no indoor gatherings. Second is wear a mask. But you can't do that if eating/drinking so third compromise position is wear a mask inside and when moving around, at the bar and then take it off when ready to eat or drink. If you want the safest method, close the bar.Ledbetterman10 said:
 No we had them in our pockets and would've put them on before walking in, if we couldn't see through the window about 20 people inside not wearing them. So the bartender asked us to put masks on, walked us 5 feet to a table that was like 5 feet away from the next table where people were maskless, and were told we can now take off our masks.The Juggler said:
 You went to an inside bar and didn't bring a mask?Ledbetterman10 said:
 I'm not trying to make a stand against masks. I just question some of the logistics of it all. Like on Saturday for instance, we try to go into a bar (in Pennsylvania), and didn't have masks on because you can see in the window that nobody in there was wearing one. But we were told we have to walk in with a mask, and then we can take it off when we're seated. And it's not like social-distancing was really in effect because there were guys at the bar all seated next to one another without masks on. Well that makes no sense.mrussel1 said:
 Why are people trying to make a stand against masks 13 months later? The anti maskers/vaxxers lost the battle. Give it up.Merkin Baller said:
 I can't imagine being this big of a bitch about other people wearing a mask during a pandemic.0
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 Good one.. and irony of you talking about propaganda when you are the one that is actually spreading the lies.gvn2fly1421 said:The Juggler said:
 You went to an inside bar and didn't bring a mask?Ledbetterman10 said:
 I'm not trying to make a stand against masks. I just question some of the logistics of it all. Like on Saturday for instance, we try to go into a bar (in Pennsylvania), and didn't have masks on because you can see in the window that nobody in there was wearing one. But we were told we have to walk in with a mask, and then we can take it off when we're seated. And it's not like social-distancing was really in effect because there were guys at the bar all seated next to one another without masks on. Well that makes no sense.mrussel1 said:
 Why are people trying to make a stand against masks 13 months later? The anti maskers/vaxxers lost the battle. Give it up.Merkin Baller said:
 I can't imagine being this big of a bitch about other people wearing a mask during a pandemic. 0 0
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 This instagram post was at 3:54pm. Gee....that appears to be well over two hours AFTER Joe took his mask off and walked back to the White House mask free. Let that sink in.gvn2fly1421 said:This from his instagram page the same day he strolled to the podium, fully vaccinated, outdoors, by himself with no one even close to him.
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 how ya gonna get yer drink on if ya wearing a mask?Ledbetterman10 said:
 I'm not trying to make a stand against masks. I just question some of the logistics of it all. Like on Saturday for instance, we try to go into a bar (in Pennsylvania), and didn't have masks on because you can see in the window that nobody in there was wearing one. But we were told we have to walk in with a mask, and then we can take it off when we're seated. And it's not like social-distancing was really in effect because there were guys at the bar all seated next to one another without masks on. Well that makes no sense.mrussel1 said:
 Why are people trying to make a stand against masks 13 months later? The anti maskers/vaxxers lost the battle. Give it up.Merkin Baller said:
 I can't imagine being this big of a bitch about other people wearing a mask during a pandemic.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0
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 Yeah they didn't seem too eager to have us put on masks for five seconds before allowing us to take them off. But they've got to follow the rules I guess.tbergs said:
 This has been the issue for months with bars and restaurants. It's no one elses fault, but the business owners. I get it, it's dumb, but only because the business doesnt give a shit.Ledbetterman10 said:
 I'm not trying to make a stand against masks. I just question some of the logistics of it all. Like on Saturday for instance, we try to go into a bar (in Pennsylvania), and didn't have masks on because you can see in the window that nobody in there was wearing one. But we were told we have to walk in with a mask, and then we can take it off when we're seated. And it's not like social-distancing was really in effect because there were guys at the bar all seated next to one another without masks on. Well that makes no sense.mrussel1 said:
 Why are people trying to make a stand against masks 13 months later? The anti maskers/vaxxers lost the battle. Give it up.Merkin Baller said:
 I can't imagine being this big of a bitch about other people wearing a mask during a pandemic.
 The bar we were at just prior to that didn't require masks at all. Both were up in the sticks in northeast PA. My friend's bachelor party was at a lake house and then we went to these two bars. The first one, not a single person wore a mask (including bartenders). The second one, was the one I described above. The bartenders were wearing masks. Nobody else was once seated. And while I wasn't directly told to, I wore the mask to take a piss because I figured they'd want that.2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
 
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 Same, I look at it as a compromise between having people masked up as much as possible, but also giving the bars & restaurants a fighting chance.mrussel1 said:
 These are all compromise positions. Clearly the best situation is no indoor gatherings. Second is wear a mask. But you can't do that if eating/drinking so third compromise position is wear a mask inside and when moving around, at the bar and then take it off when ready to eat or drink. If you want the safest method, close the bar.Ledbetterman10 said:
 No we had them in our pockets and would've put them on before walking in, if we couldn't see through the window about 20 people inside not wearing them. So the bartender asked us to put masks on, walked us 5 feet to a table that was like 5 feet away from the next table where people were maskless, and were told we can now take off our masks.The Juggler said:
 You went to an inside bar and didn't bring a mask?Ledbetterman10 said:
 I'm not trying to make a stand against masks. I just question some of the logistics of it all. Like on Saturday for instance, we try to go into a bar (in Pennsylvania), and didn't have masks on because you can see in the window that nobody in there was wearing one. But we were told we have to walk in with a mask, and then we can take it off when we're seated. And it's not like social-distancing was really in effect because there were guys at the bar all seated next to one another without masks on. Well that makes no sense.mrussel1 said:
 Why are people trying to make a stand against masks 13 months later? The anti maskers/vaxxers lost the battle. Give it up.Merkin Baller said:
 I can't imagine being this big of a bitch about other people wearing a mask during a pandemic.
 From that angle it makes perfect sense to me.0
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 Emma seems a little dense, like wood.The Juggler said:
 This instagram post was at 3:54pm. Gee....that appears to be well over two hours AFTER Joe took his mask off and walked back to the White House mask free. Let that sink in.gvn2fly1421 said:This from his instagram page the same day he strolled to the podium, fully vaccinated, outdoors, by himself with no one even close to him.
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 how I view this is, you (and others) are criticizing the mandate because some those tasked with following them, aren't. like mrussell stated, there are compromises that have to be made; safety, economy, etc. it's all a balance.Ledbetterman10 said:
 Yeah they didn't seem too eager to have us put on masks for five seconds before allowing us to take them off. But they've got to follow the rules I guess.tbergs said:
 This has been the issue for months with bars and restaurants. It's no one elses fault, but the business owners. I get it, it's dumb, but only because the business doesnt give a shit.Ledbetterman10 said:
 I'm not trying to make a stand against masks. I just question some of the logistics of it all. Like on Saturday for instance, we try to go into a bar (in Pennsylvania), and didn't have masks on because you can see in the window that nobody in there was wearing one. But we were told we have to walk in with a mask, and then we can take it off when we're seated. And it's not like social-distancing was really in effect because there were guys at the bar all seated next to one another without masks on. Well that makes no sense.mrussel1 said:
 Why are people trying to make a stand against masks 13 months later? The anti maskers/vaxxers lost the battle. Give it up.Merkin Baller said:
 I can't imagine being this big of a bitch about other people wearing a mask during a pandemic.
 The bar we were at just prior to that didn't require masks at all. Both were up in the sticks in northeast PA. My friend's bachelor party was at a lake house and then we went to these two bars. The first one, not a single person wore a mask (including bartenders). The second one, was the one I described above. The bartenders were wearing masks. Nobody else was once seated. And while I wasn't directly told to, I wore the mask to take a piss because I figured they'd want that.
 when me and my family or my wife go for a meal or a drink, we can take off our masks because our table is distanced. there is no sitting up at the bar. that is closed. only tables, at least 2 meters apart. you get up for any reason? you put on your mask. you wear your mask when you arrive and when you leave. when you and your moistness are moving about.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0
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 I guess I'm of the opinion, now with the vaccine available to everyone, that these sort of establishments should be able to set their own rules. Want to require a mask? Go ahead. Want to not require a mask and put a sign up saying "Masks not required, enter at your own risk." Go ahead.Merkin Baller said:
 Same, I look at it as a compromise between having people masked up as much as possible, but also giving the bars & restaurants a fighting chance.mrussel1 said:
 These are all compromise positions. Clearly the best situation is no indoor gatherings. Second is wear a mask. But you can't do that if eating/drinking so third compromise position is wear a mask inside and when moving around, at the bar and then take it off when ready to eat or drink. If you want the safest method, close the bar.Ledbetterman10 said:
 No we had them in our pockets and would've put them on before walking in, if we couldn't see through the window about 20 people inside not wearing them. So the bartender asked us to put masks on, walked us 5 feet to a table that was like 5 feet away from the next table where people were maskless, and were told we can now take off our masks.The Juggler said:
 You went to an inside bar and didn't bring a mask?Ledbetterman10 said:
 I'm not trying to make a stand against masks. I just question some of the logistics of it all. Like on Saturday for instance, we try to go into a bar (in Pennsylvania), and didn't have masks on because you can see in the window that nobody in there was wearing one. But we were told we have to walk in with a mask, and then we can take it off when we're seated. And it's not like social-distancing was really in effect because there were guys at the bar all seated next to one another without masks on. Well that makes no sense.mrussel1 said:
 Why are people trying to make a stand against masks 13 months later? The anti maskers/vaxxers lost the battle. Give it up.Merkin Baller said:
 I can't imagine being this big of a bitch about other people wearing a mask during a pandemic.
 From that angle it makes perfect sense to me.
 At my office, there's eight of us. Seven of us got the vaccine, but one refused it. So we have to continue to wear masks in common areas because of her. We wouldn't have to wear them at all if we all had the vaccine. This may sound callous, but I say to hell with her. If she wants to run that risk, fine. It's like those of us that have done the responsible thing and got the vaccine are now required to keep the people that didn't get it safe.2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
 
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 Haha! That's what he said!HughFreakingDillon said:
 how I view this is, you (and others) are criticizing the mandate because some those tasked with following them, aren't. like mrussell stated, there are compromises that have to be made; safety, economy, etc. it's all a balance.Ledbetterman10 said:
 Yeah they didn't seem too eager to have us put on masks for five seconds before allowing us to take them off. But they've got to follow the rules I guess.tbergs said:
 This has been the issue for months with bars and restaurants. It's no one elses fault, but the business owners. I get it, it's dumb, but only because the business doesnt give a shit.Ledbetterman10 said:
 I'm not trying to make a stand against masks. I just question some of the logistics of it all. Like on Saturday for instance, we try to go into a bar (in Pennsylvania), and didn't have masks on because you can see in the window that nobody in there was wearing one. But we were told we have to walk in with a mask, and then we can take it off when we're seated. And it's not like social-distancing was really in effect because there were guys at the bar all seated next to one another without masks on. Well that makes no sense.mrussel1 said:
 Why are people trying to make a stand against masks 13 months later? The anti maskers/vaxxers lost the battle. Give it up.Merkin Baller said:
 I can't imagine being this big of a bitch about other people wearing a mask during a pandemic.
 The bar we were at just prior to that didn't require masks at all. Both were up in the sticks in northeast PA. My friend's bachelor party was at a lake house and then we went to these two bars. The first one, not a single person wore a mask (including bartenders). The second one, was the one I described above. The bartenders were wearing masks. Nobody else was once seated. And while I wasn't directly told to, I wore the mask to take a piss because I figured they'd want that.
 when me and my family or my wife go for a meal or a drink, we can take off our masks because our table is distanced. there is no sitting up at the bar. that is closed. only tables, at least 2 meters apart. you get up for any reason? you put on your mask. you wear your mask when you arrive and when you leave. when you and your moistness are moving about.It's a hopeless situation...0
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            I just don't understand all these stories of establishments in the states not following the rules. everywhere I've been in winnipeg, it's been super clear what the rules are (and they can change every two to four weeks), and if you flagrantly run afoul, you get a huge fine. public health and the government outline the rules very explicitly in a press conference and then update the websites; they give you a deadline to implement any major changes, and then the rule is in place for a defined period of time.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0
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 so you'll have to wear masks until she dies or quits? that's absurdLedbetterman10 said:
 I guess I'm of the opinion, now with the vaccine available to everyone, that these sort of establishments should be able to set their own rules. Want to require a mask? Go ahead. Want to not require a mask and put a sign up saying "Masks not required, enter at your own risk." Go ahead.Merkin Baller said:
 Same, I look at it as a compromise between having people masked up as much as possible, but also giving the bars & restaurants a fighting chance.mrussel1 said:
 These are all compromise positions. Clearly the best situation is no indoor gatherings. Second is wear a mask. But you can't do that if eating/drinking so third compromise position is wear a mask inside and when moving around, at the bar and then take it off when ready to eat or drink. If you want the safest method, close the bar.Ledbetterman10 said:
 No we had them in our pockets and would've put them on before walking in, if we couldn't see through the window about 20 people inside not wearing them. So the bartender asked us to put masks on, walked us 5 feet to a table that was like 5 feet away from the next table where people were maskless, and were told we can now take off our masks.The Juggler said:
 You went to an inside bar and didn't bring a mask?Ledbetterman10 said:
 I'm not trying to make a stand against masks. I just question some of the logistics of it all. Like on Saturday for instance, we try to go into a bar (in Pennsylvania), and didn't have masks on because you can see in the window that nobody in there was wearing one. But we were told we have to walk in with a mask, and then we can take it off when we're seated. And it's not like social-distancing was really in effect because there were guys at the bar all seated next to one another without masks on. Well that makes no sense.mrussel1 said:
 Why are people trying to make a stand against masks 13 months later? The anti maskers/vaxxers lost the battle. Give it up.Merkin Baller said:
 I can't imagine being this big of a bitch about other people wearing a mask during a pandemic.
 From that angle it makes perfect sense to me.
 At my office, there's eight of us. Seven of us got the vaccine, but one refused it. So we have to continue to wear masks in common areas because of her. We wouldn't have to wear them at all if we all had the vaccine. This may sound callous, but I say to hell with her. If she wants to run that risk, fine. It's like those of us that have done the responsible thing and got the vaccine are now required to keep the people that didn't get it safe.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0
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 I don't know. I guess if the Governor comes out and says that all vaccinated people don't have to wear masks, we'd be fine. But how can he say that? In our office, we all know who has and hasn't gotten it. But in a store, unless you staple your vaccine card to your forehead, who would know if you had it or not.HughFreakingDillon said:
 so you'll have to wear masks until she dies or quits? that's absurdLedbetterman10 said:
 I guess I'm of the opinion, now with the vaccine available to everyone, that these sort of establishments should be able to set their own rules. Want to require a mask? Go ahead. Want to not require a mask and put a sign up saying "Masks not required, enter at your own risk." Go ahead.Merkin Baller said:
 Same, I look at it as a compromise between having people masked up as much as possible, but also giving the bars & restaurants a fighting chance.mrussel1 said:
 These are all compromise positions. Clearly the best situation is no indoor gatherings. Second is wear a mask. But you can't do that if eating/drinking so third compromise position is wear a mask inside and when moving around, at the bar and then take it off when ready to eat or drink. If you want the safest method, close the bar.Ledbetterman10 said:
 No we had them in our pockets and would've put them on before walking in, if we couldn't see through the window about 20 people inside not wearing them. So the bartender asked us to put masks on, walked us 5 feet to a table that was like 5 feet away from the next table where people were maskless, and were told we can now take off our masks.The Juggler said:
 You went to an inside bar and didn't bring a mask?Ledbetterman10 said:
 I'm not trying to make a stand against masks. I just question some of the logistics of it all. Like on Saturday for instance, we try to go into a bar (in Pennsylvania), and didn't have masks on because you can see in the window that nobody in there was wearing one. But we were told we have to walk in with a mask, and then we can take it off when we're seated. And it's not like social-distancing was really in effect because there were guys at the bar all seated next to one another without masks on. Well that makes no sense.mrussel1 said:
 Why are people trying to make a stand against masks 13 months later? The anti maskers/vaxxers lost the battle. Give it up.Merkin Baller said:
 I can't imagine being this big of a bitch about other people wearing a mask during a pandemic.
 From that angle it makes perfect sense to me.
 At my office, there's eight of us. Seven of us got the vaccine, but one refused it. So we have to continue to wear masks in common areas because of her. We wouldn't have to wear them at all if we all had the vaccine. This may sound callous, but I say to hell with her. If she wants to run that risk, fine. It's like those of us that have done the responsible thing and got the vaccine are now required to keep the people that didn't get it safe.
 The funny thing is that she herself thinks it's dumb that we have to continue to wear the masks because of her. But from the employer's perspective, I guess it's for liability reasons or something.2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
 
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 I was agreeing w/ mrussell from the angle that it's a compromise between masks as much as possible & trying to accommodate the businesses... that makes sense to me.Ledbetterman10 said:
 I guess I'm of the opinion, now with the vaccine available to everyone, that these sort of establishments should be able to set their own rules. Want to require a mask? Go ahead. Want to not require a mask and put a sign up saying "Masks not required, enter at your own risk." Go ahead.Merkin Baller said:
 Same, I look at it as a compromise between having people masked up as much as possible, but also giving the bars & restaurants a fighting chance.mrussel1 said:
 These are all compromise positions. Clearly the best situation is no indoor gatherings. Second is wear a mask. But you can't do that if eating/drinking so third compromise position is wear a mask inside and when moving around, at the bar and then take it off when ready to eat or drink. If you want the safest method, close the bar.Ledbetterman10 said:
 No we had them in our pockets and would've put them on before walking in, if we couldn't see through the window about 20 people inside not wearing them. So the bartender asked us to put masks on, walked us 5 feet to a table that was like 5 feet away from the next table where people were maskless, and were told we can now take off our masks.The Juggler said:
 You went to an inside bar and didn't bring a mask?Ledbetterman10 said:
 I'm not trying to make a stand against masks. I just question some of the logistics of it all. Like on Saturday for instance, we try to go into a bar (in Pennsylvania), and didn't have masks on because you can see in the window that nobody in there was wearing one. But we were told we have to walk in with a mask, and then we can take it off when we're seated. And it's not like social-distancing was really in effect because there were guys at the bar all seated next to one another without masks on. Well that makes no sense.mrussel1 said:
 Why are people trying to make a stand against masks 13 months later? The anti maskers/vaxxers lost the battle. Give it up.Merkin Baller said:
 I can't imagine being this big of a bitch about other people wearing a mask during a pandemic.
 From that angle it makes perfect sense to me.
 At my office, there's eight of us. Seven of us got the vaccine, but one refused it. So we have to continue to wear masks in common areas because of her. We wouldn't have to wear them at all if we all had the vaccine. This may sound callous, but I say to hell with her. If she wants to run that risk, fine. It's like those of us that have done the responsible thing and got the vaccine are now required to keep the people that didn't get it safe.
 Restrictions are being eased. Not fast enough for some, I get it, but they are getting there. & in fairness, it's not like the vaccines have been widely available to everyone for months... it's only in the last 2 weeks or so that the vaccine became available to all adults here in MA... from this perspective I understand the easing of restrictions as opposed to a full blown opening. Once a few weeks pass, I'll firmly be in the camp of letting the businesses decide.
 Your office situation sounds ridiculous, but OTOH, from an employer / liability standpoint I get it, especially if your state has a mask mandate.
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 It’s not really an argument it’s a question of if it is a generational worldview. I think a lot of millennials and under don’t read something like that and say wow this guy really hit it out of the park, woke and cancel culture are the problem. Or is it ok when a policy wonk says something like that, because I don’t remember people coming out of the woodwork wholeheartedly supporting trump for blaming academia, woke and cancel culture for everything.brianlux said:static111 said:Is everyone that is wholeheartedly agreeing with carville over 40? I’m wondering if this is a generational worldview thing. Most of the people I know would disagree with a lot of his opinion. And they aren’t all “far left”. For instance the Latinx thing, that is something that I was unaware of until people I know who are younger than me and identify as Latinx and prefer the term explained it to me. I don’t think this is from those high falutin university teachers lounges as carville claims. I think there is a lot of societal awakening to problematic cultural norms across t he board.
 It kind of mirrors the right in a way, where when there is something he can’t understand he just blames academic echelons, that actually seems to be the Teapublican playbook of the last 15 years. I hope that isn’t what he meant by messaging more like republicans.What is today? "Everybody's in the Same Boat Day"? I was just reading something on another forum where this guy claims that everyone that has such and such are all exactly the same.Come on static, you can do better than that weak argument. Some of us are actually capable of forming thoughts independently of such strictures.Scio me nihil scire
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 Praying is the only remedy that's 100% effective. Oh yeah, and the rhythm method.Halifax2TheMax said:I didn't know that the vaccine is 100% effective, like condoms. Damn, did catturd tweet that and I missed it?Scio me nihil scire
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 You can see no one is anywhere near him in the video. He walks down the walkway and clearly no one is anywhere close to him. You just have to watch the clip to know he's alone.mrussel1 said:
 I think it's fucking stupid. If someone wants to wear a mask, good for you. Why do I care?mace1229 said:
 Does it deserve front page coverage? No.mrussel1 said:
 He walked to a fucking podium. There's at least ONE camera there, and likely many more, along with all of the people that surround the president. He's not walking aimlessly in a garden.Ledbetterman10 said:
 Well he is vaccinated, outdoors, and nowhere near anybody. Couldn't he demonstrate that it's okay to not be wearing a mask in this situation? The same way Trump's behavior led people to wrongly believe the virus wasn't a big deal, Biden makes it look like you should still be worried about it even if you're, as I said, vaccinated, outdoors, and nowhere near anybody. The other day, he was on Zoom with other world leaders, and he was the only one wearing a mask. If the vaccine works, as I believe it does, what's with the mask in these two situations?mrussel1 said:
 Is it good? Really? A man chooses to wear a mask even though CDC changes guidance. This says a lot more about you than Biden.gvn2fly1421 said:Posted in the coronavirus thread, but this is way too good not to be shared here as well... 
 And was that zoom call outside, with no advisors anywhere near him? I would seriously doubt that.
 But it is funny, and without a doubt is playing to the mask vs unmask division. There is zero reason to be wearing a mask in that situation other than to make a statement. That doesn't make him a bad person or bad president. But lets not pretend it was anything else. He was not surrounded by his people, there was clearly no one within 50 feet. And at least 1 camera? How close do you think that one camera ones? Plenty far enough to not worry about it.
 Like I said, I see it funny more than anything. But we don't need to pretend its anything other than what it was, making a statement.
 And how do you know there is clearly no one within 50 feet? Is there an omni camera that I didn't see?
 And I don't really care, just seems odd to me. Just like when I see someone driving alone in a car and they have a mask on jogging in the street or walking their dog. Still comes across as odd to me. No one came across as complaining or even caring, just commenting that it seems odd and pointless.0
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 Well I hope you read the rest of the thread. Turns out that was complete misinformation. That was the conference where he announced the new guidelines, took off the mask and walked back in. So the whole premise is a fucking lie.mace1229 said:
 You can see no one is anywhere near him in the video. He walks down the walkway and clearly no one is anywhere close to him. You just have to watch the clip to know he's alone.mrussel1 said:
 I think it's fucking stupid. If someone wants to wear a mask, good for you. Why do I care?mace1229 said:
 Does it deserve front page coverage? No.mrussel1 said:
 He walked to a fucking podium. There's at least ONE camera there, and likely many more, along with all of the people that surround the president. He's not walking aimlessly in a garden.Ledbetterman10 said:
 Well he is vaccinated, outdoors, and nowhere near anybody. Couldn't he demonstrate that it's okay to not be wearing a mask in this situation? The same way Trump's behavior led people to wrongly believe the virus wasn't a big deal, Biden makes it look like you should still be worried about it even if you're, as I said, vaccinated, outdoors, and nowhere near anybody. The other day, he was on Zoom with other world leaders, and he was the only one wearing a mask. If the vaccine works, as I believe it does, what's with the mask in these two situations?mrussel1 said:
 Is it good? Really? A man chooses to wear a mask even though CDC changes guidance. This says a lot more about you than Biden.gvn2fly1421 said:Posted in the coronavirus thread, but this is way too good not to be shared here as well... 
 And was that zoom call outside, with no advisors anywhere near him? I would seriously doubt that.
 But it is funny, and without a doubt is playing to the mask vs unmask division. There is zero reason to be wearing a mask in that situation other than to make a statement. That doesn't make him a bad person or bad president. But lets not pretend it was anything else. He was not surrounded by his people, there was clearly no one within 50 feet. And at least 1 camera? How close do you think that one camera ones? Plenty far enough to not worry about it.
 Like I said, I see it funny more than anything. But we don't need to pretend its anything other than what it was, making a statement.
 And how do you know there is clearly no one within 50 feet? Is there an omni camera that I didn't see?
 And I don't really care, just seems odd to me. Just like when I see someone driving alone in a car and they have a mask on jogging in the street or walking their dog. Still comes across as odd to me. No one came across as complaining or even caring, just commenting that it seems odd and pointless.0
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