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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    Who the hell wants one more game added to the schedule?
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    The Juggler said:
    Who the hell wants one more game added to the schedule?
    The owners.. 
  • cutz
    cutz Posts: 12,255
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Who the hell wants one more game added to the schedule?
    The owners.. 
    And the players?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    cutz said:
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Who the hell wants one more game added to the schedule?
    The owners.. 
    And the players?
    I wouldn't think so.  Doesn't their same salary get divided between 17 games now,

    Did they cut a preseason?
  • cutz
    cutz Posts: 12,255
    mrussel1 said:
    cutz said:
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Who the hell wants one more game added to the schedule?
    The owners.. 
    And the players?
    I wouldn't think so.  Doesn't their same salary get divided between 17 games now,

    Did they cut a preseason?
    I would think the players who aren't getting paid super-star money would go for 17 games. 

    I'm not sure how it gets divided, but you'd have to think the money would trickle down to them , if not this Season, then soon after.

    Yes, 3 pre-season games. That was Goodell's reasoning for going to 17 games since they're are still only playing 20 games. 

    Personally, I wish they stick to 16 games and only play 2 pre-season games. But, as we know, MONEY  rules.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,474
    mrussel1 said:
    cutz said:
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Who the hell wants one more game added to the schedule?
    The owners.. 
    And the players?
    I wouldn't think so.  Doesn't their same salary get divided between 17 games now,

    Did they cut a preseason?
    Players get 20% increase in salary for the 17th game.

    Pensions for players increased.

    Healthcare for players increased.

    Off season practices decreased.

    New TV deal is going to make the NFL very, very rich.

    These are some of the plus marks for the players.
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,812
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mrussel1 said:
    cutz said:
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Who the hell wants one more game added to the schedule?
    The owners.. 
    And the players?
    I wouldn't think so.  Doesn't their same salary get divided between 17 games now,

    Did they cut a preseason?
    Players get 20% increase in salary for the 17th game.

    Pensions for players increased.

    Healthcare for players increased.

    Off season practices decreased.

    New TV deal is going to make the NFL very, very rich.

    These are some of the plus marks for the players.
    How does the healthcare increase? 


    & the new TV deal is great for the the owners, but the salary cap won't be going up for at least two years.. players won't see that money until the 2023 season at best... that's not a huge sell for players in a league where every next play could be your last. 
  • JeBurkhardt
    JeBurkhardt Posts: 5,331
    On a selfish note, the added game for the 49ers is in Cincinnati. It is only a 4 hour drive from here, so we are going. My wife grew up in Southern Indiana about an hour from Cincinnati, so she likes the Bengals. There could be some friendly wagering going on for that game. 
  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,894
    I always thought the schedule and current division alignment was perfect.
    16 games, for 32 teams in 8 divisions. Math was easy, you see each division from the other conference once every 4 years, you see each division within your conference every 3 years.
    From a math standpoint, it worked out great.
    Don't see the need for a 17th game, but come January I'll be watching.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,474
    Merkin Baller said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mrussel1 said:
    cutz said:
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Who the hell wants one more game added to the schedule?
    The owners.. 
    And the players?
    I wouldn't think so.  Doesn't their same salary get divided between 17 games now,

    Did they cut a preseason?
    Players get 20% increase in salary for the 17th game.

    Pensions for players increased.

    Healthcare for players increased.

    Off season practices decreased.

    New TV deal is going to make the NFL very, very rich.

    These are some of the plus marks for the players.
    How does the healthcare increase? 


    & the new TV deal is great for the the owners, but the salary cap won't be going up for at least two years.. players won't see that money until the 2023 season at best... that's not a huge sell for players in a league where every next play could be your last. 
    They get the raise when they play that 17th game, not sure when that is getting implemented.

    The healthcare increase is better towards the retired players.  Their coverage/access is better from what I've read, it's like getting the "Cadillac" healthcare plan.
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    mrussel1 said:
    cutz said:
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Who the hell wants one more game added to the schedule?
    The owners.. 
    And the players?
    I wouldn't think so.  Doesn't their same salary get divided between 17 games now,

    Did they cut a preseason?
    Yeah it's down to three preseason games now.

    I'm fine with the 17th game. It's more football. The NFL is really just a TV show that I watch every week. So I'll take an extra episode. 
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  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,856
    Im not a fan of the 17th game.  
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    Poncier said:
    I always thought the schedule and current division alignment was perfect.
    16 games, for 32 teams in 8 divisions. Math was easy, you see each division from the other conference once every 4 years, you see each division within your conference every 3 years.
    From a math standpoint, it worked out great.
    Don't see the need for a 17th game, but come January I'll be watching.
    I agree. Everything was perfect until they added the additional playoff teams last year. And they're fucking it up even more this year.

    In my opinion, the quality of play has decreased pretty significantly since the last CBA which limited offseason workouts and the amount of hitting allowed in camp and during practices in the season. On top of that are all the rule changes of the last 5-8 years or so. These changes are supposedly to make players safe, but it's really bullshit since they make every team play a Thursday game on a ridiculously short term around time which leaves little time to recover from injuries and just the wear and tear of the previous game. Now this extra game, and the elimination of one preseason game is just another ever further watered down version of what the sport used to be. 

    It is all money, obviously. This will never happen, but I would like to see them ease up on some of the rule changes, eliminate the Thursday game, keep the 16 game schedule along with the previous playoff format (which was perfection), get rid of two preseason games but encourage more teams to hold joint practices and scrimmages with other teams (I think these are really useful), and go back to allowing more offseason workouts and hitting in camps.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,474
    The Juggler said:
    Poncier said:
    I always thought the schedule and current division alignment was perfect.
    16 games, for 32 teams in 8 divisions. Math was easy, you see each division from the other conference once every 4 years, you see each division within your conference every 3 years.
    From a math standpoint, it worked out great.
    Don't see the need for a 17th game, but come January I'll be watching.
    I agree. Everything was perfect until they added the additional playoff teams last year. And they're fucking it up even more this year.

    In my opinion, the quality of play has decreased pretty significantly since the last CBA which limited offseason workouts and the amount of hitting allowed in camp and during practices in the season. On top of that are all the rule changes of the last 5-8 years or so. These changes are supposedly to make players safe, but it's really bullshit since they make every team play a Thursday game on a ridiculously short term around time which leaves little time to recover from injuries and just the wear and tear of the previous game. Now this extra game, and the elimination of one preseason game is just another ever further watered down version of what the sport used to be. 

    It is all money, obviously. This will never happen, but I would like to see them ease up on some of the rule changes, eliminate the Thursday game, keep the 16 game schedule along with the previous playoff format (which was perfection), get rid of two preseason games but encourage more teams to hold joint practices and scrimmages with other teams (I think these are really useful), and go back to allowing more offseason workouts and hitting in camps.
    The Thursday game might work out better now for scheduling with a 17th game.  There should be a way now to make a team have a by week after or before a Thursday game.

    I don't think I have ever saw a competitive Thursday game that I enjoyed watching...
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    Poncier said:
    I always thought the schedule and current division alignment was perfect.
    16 games, for 32 teams in 8 divisions. Math was easy, you see each division from the other conference once every 4 years, you see each division within your conference every 3 years.
    From a math standpoint, it worked out great.
    Don't see the need for a 17th game, but come January I'll be watching.
    I agree. Everything was perfect until they added the additional playoff teams last year. And they're fucking it up even more this year.

    In my opinion, the quality of play has decreased pretty significantly since the last CBA which limited offseason workouts and the amount of hitting allowed in camp and during practices in the season. On top of that are all the rule changes of the last 5-8 years or so. These changes are supposedly to make players safe, but it's really bullshit since they make every team play a Thursday game on a ridiculously short term around time which leaves little time to recover from injuries and just the wear and tear of the previous game. Now this extra game, and the elimination of one preseason game is just another ever further watered down version of what the sport used to be. 

    It is all money, obviously. This will never happen, but I would like to see them ease up on some of the rule changes, eliminate the Thursday game, keep the 16 game schedule along with the previous playoff format (which was perfection), get rid of two preseason games but encourage more teams to hold joint practices and scrimmages with other teams (I think these are really useful), and go back to allowing more offseason workouts and hitting in camps.
    The Thursday game might work out better now for scheduling with a 17th game.  There should be a way now to make a team have a by week after or before a Thursday game.

    I don't think I have ever saw a competitive Thursday game that I enjoyed watching...
    I guess. But it's also over saturation to me. I think all Thursday games will only be Amazon Prime this year too. That's stupid. 
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  • mrussel1
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    The Juggler said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    Poncier said:
    I always thought the schedule and current division alignment was perfect.
    16 games, for 32 teams in 8 divisions. Math was easy, you see each division from the other conference once every 4 years, you see each division within your conference every 3 years.
    From a math standpoint, it worked out great.
    Don't see the need for a 17th game, but come January I'll be watching.
    I agree. Everything was perfect until they added the additional playoff teams last year. And they're fucking it up even more this year.

    In my opinion, the quality of play has decreased pretty significantly since the last CBA which limited offseason workouts and the amount of hitting allowed in camp and during practices in the season. On top of that are all the rule changes of the last 5-8 years or so. These changes are supposedly to make players safe, but it's really bullshit since they make every team play a Thursday game on a ridiculously short term around time which leaves little time to recover from injuries and just the wear and tear of the previous game. Now this extra game, and the elimination of one preseason game is just another ever further watered down version of what the sport used to be. 

    It is all money, obviously. This will never happen, but I would like to see them ease up on some of the rule changes, eliminate the Thursday game, keep the 16 game schedule along with the previous playoff format (which was perfection), get rid of two preseason games but encourage more teams to hold joint practices and scrimmages with other teams (I think these are really useful), and go back to allowing more offseason workouts and hitting in camps.
    The Thursday game might work out better now for scheduling with a 17th game.  There should be a way now to make a team have a by week after or before a Thursday game.

    I don't think I have ever saw a competitive Thursday game that I enjoyed watching...
    I guess. But it's also over saturation to me. I think all Thursday games will only be Amazon Prime this year too. That's stupid. 
    I like the expanded playoff pool.  More the better. 
  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,856
    I love the Thursday games to be honest.  I like how the NFL weekend begins Thursday night.  always have since that started.

    I do wish that they went with an extra bye week, and starting a week earlier as opposed to a 17th game.  I think that would help the overall health and level of play, it would expand the regular season by a week.  They would also be able to schedule the Thursday games in conjunction with byes.  

    I like the symmetry of the 16 game season (6-10, 5-11, whatever).  I liked how the schedule was balanced for now (although I have been on board for a realignment to shake things up tbh).
  • The Juggler
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    Does any other sport have an odd number of games? Seems a little unfair for half the league to have an extra home game. 
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,474
    The Juggler said:
    Does any other sport have an odd number of games? Seems a little unfair for half the league to have an extra home game. 
    My guess is this is like having something priced at 4.99, you can always raise it.

    They fully expect to go to an 18 game schedule in the future, just my theory.
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,823
    The Juggler said:
    Poncier said:
    I always thought the schedule and current division alignment was perfect.
    16 games, for 32 teams in 8 divisions. Math was easy, you see each division from the other conference once every 4 years, you see each division within your conference every 3 years.
    From a math standpoint, it worked out great.
    Don't see the need for a 17th game, but come January I'll be watching.
    I agree. Everything was perfect until they added the additional playoff teams last year. And they're fucking it up even more this year.

    In my opinion, the quality of play has decreased pretty significantly since the last CBA which limited offseason workouts and the amount of hitting allowed in camp and during practices in the season. On top of that are all the rule changes of the last 5-8 years or so. These changes are supposedly to make players safe, but it's really bullshit since they make every team play a Thursday game on a ridiculously short term around time which leaves little time to recover from injuries and just the wear and tear of the previous game. Now this extra game, and the elimination of one preseason game is just another ever further watered down version of what the sport used to be. 

    It is all money, obviously. This will never happen, but I would like to see them ease up on some of the rule changes, eliminate the Thursday game, keep the 16 game schedule along with the previous playoff format (which was perfection), get rid of two preseason games but encourage more teams to hold joint practices and scrimmages with other teams (I think these are really useful), and go back to allowing more offseason workouts and hitting in camps.

    Agree with pretty much all of this.
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