2020 Fall North American rumour thread

PJNB said:

jimjam1982 said:

It's amazing. They went from wearing masks for 90 days after vaccination and doing your part to just do what you want.. so much for "science" hah!  It's almost like most of us were right all along.  At least I can see them back walking this last 52 weeks of non-sense. Anyways, get on with the announced dates or start canceling the shows and let us re-build our itineraries.   

Come one. This is not do what you want when you are vaccinated. Whether you agree with the guidelines or not I am 100% fine with either way but to portray it as vaccinated people can now just do what ever they want is flat out wrong. You have to know this right? 

If you can't do whatever you want when Vaccinated, then what's the point of getting the vaccine.  I'm a militant mask-wearer and social distancer.  By following the masking and distancing guidelines I have not contracted the virus.  and If the vaccine makes me keep these up, then what's the point?  The point of the vaccine, is to "now just do whatever we want."  If the vaccine does not give you that freedom, then again, what's the point? 

IlliniGuy76 said:

BloodMeridian80 said:

IlliniGuy76 said:

BloodMeridian80 said:

IlliniGuy76 said:

Weston1283 said:

CDC has just stated that fully vaccinated individuals can gather indoors, without masks

https://apnews.com/article/cdc-fully-vaccinated-can-gather-without-masks-b9775dcde0254037e012ea9447e49917

I've been saying this ad nauseum - at some point there will be "new" guidelines that if people want to attend relatively full capacity indoor concerts/sporting events you have to have a CDC card showing you're fully vaccinated.  That will not happen TILL they have locked down research that shows how long someone is immune from the virus having been fully vaccinated. 

Postulating is fun. For a couple of reasons, I think liability waivers are the more likely outcome for large events. 

NOTHING will happen till they are 100% sure how long someone is immune from the virus after having been fully vaccinated.

I disagree.

While we are all beyond eager to get back and listen to a live music in a packed crowd - there's a reason the CDC is still recommending no travel;  it's for this very exact reason. 

You could be fully vaccinated and sitting next to someone who isn't/is at risk and w/o knowing how long you're actually "safe" (being fully vaccinated) that's why they're still making this recommendation.  It's all about being indoors/enclosed spaces - a liability form doesn't address people attending a concert that are potentially exposed/coming down with the virus/flooding health care systems being ill.

I'm not disagreeing with anything you are saying, in general. I think you are underestimating the wheels of capitalism vs. the power of CDC recommendations. If by the middle/end of summer 70% have been vaccinated and/or have immunity from exposure, rates of hospitalization and death could plummet. Obviously, there are variables, but I think the 'community health risk' will decrease to where many states will b3 allowing for thousands of students to be in schools together, hundreds/thousands to gather at places of religious worship, and for months people will have been meeting in groups without large community spread. Again, lots of variables. I believe states will be pressured to test the waters with indoor performances for theatre/art performances this fall, and we'll go from there.

Liability waivers could certainly free performers, promoters, and venues from liability as they already exist. Once the threat that community spread is limited, and more specifically that the spread doesn't lead to hospitalization/death, states will allow shows to continue. I don't see arenas until the spring best case scenario. This could all go upside down for the variables we all know. 

P34RL J4MM3R said:

PJNB said:

jimjam1982 said:

It's amazing. They went from wearing masks for 90 days after vaccination and doing your part to just do what you want.. so much for "science" hah!  It's almost like most of us were right all along.  At least I can see them back walking this last 52 weeks of non-sense. Anyways, get on with the announced dates or start canceling the shows and let us re-build our itineraries.   

Come one. This is not do what you want when you are vaccinated. Whether you agree with the guidelines or not I am 100% fine with either way but to portray it as vaccinated people can now just do what ever they want is flat out wrong. You have to know this right? 

If you can't do whatever you want when Vaccinated, then what's the point of getting the vaccine.  I'm a militant mask-wearer and social distancer.  By following the masking and distancing guidelines I have not contracted the virus.  and If the vaccine makes me keep these up, then what's the point?  The point of the vaccine, is to "now just do whatever we want."  If the vaccine does not give you that freedom, then again, what's the point? 

These are the guidelines for today with only a small % of the population being vaccinated.  When more knowledge on length of effectiveness and how transmissible it can be to have the vaccine and give it to those that have not been vaccinated becomes available then the rules will change accordingly. 

The long and short of this is that vaccinated people can still get and transmit the virus. However they are protected against how severe they are hit from it. If they are all protected from this then they can mingle without rules since they are not at risk hence the reason for the restrictions being lifted solely for them. I am hoping that when everyone that has the opportunity to have the shot has had it all restrictions are lifted. 

Weston1283 said:

I believe this is the first full capacity large venue since the pandemic began

Texas Rangers will be allowing 100% capacity at their home games, starting with opening day on April 5th.  Fans must wear masks unless actively eating or drinking.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/10/texas-rangers-become-first-pro-team-to-announce-a-return-to-full-capacity/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Crazy. Hope they have success with this. 

RatherStarved said:

I wonder how ticket sales will go.  

Honestly, I bet it sells out easily 

And while we’re at it, Jerry Jones of the Dallas Cowboys also announced today that the Cowboys will host 100% capacity for all home games this season.  Not as soon as the Rangers in just a few weeks but still significant

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/10/jerry-jones-declares-that-the-cowboys-will-have-full-stadiums-at-home-this-year/

Is Texas closer to NYC or Brazil? I dont know whats going to happen as much as you guys, but i'd not be going to a ballgame yet personally.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/brazil-hit-by-covid-19-variant-surpasses-u-s-in-daily-cases-and-deaths-11615385902

Current opinion:

We know that certain adults can get the vaccine. Over the next few months, more and more adults will be able to.

But what about kids? We know how many kids go to these shows.

When can they get the vaccine?

RatherStarved said:

I believe trials are underway for kids.  At least older kids.  I may have read somewhere they’ll be done by summer, but not sure.  

Kids should be getting vaccinated within the next 6-12 months per my sons pediatrician. 

Weston1283 said:

RatherStarved said:

I wonder how ticket sales will go.  

Honestly, I bet it sells out easily 

Not only that but they can take their masks off while eating and drinking.  Concession sales will be incredible haha

Here's hoping this goes off without major issues and the rest of the dominos continue to fall.