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LastStopOnTheWestCoastLine
LastStopOnTheWestCoastLine Posts: 328
in The Porch
With the caveat that this is among my top half of PJ albums and I've listened to it far too many times, I would:
- Get rid of Never Destination and River Cross. 10 songs is enough. Never Destination is a good song but doesn't really add anything that's not already on the album. River Cross doesn't do anything for me, and Retrograde would be the perfect closer.
- Switch up the order of Comes Then Goes with Buckle Up. Buckle Up --> CTG bothers me for a reason that I'm unable to articulate.

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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,450
    edited March 2021
    When they decided to sell River Cross to Verizon and allow it to be the theme song for a multinational corporation's brand, they should have removed it from the album, and never spoken about it again. 

    I don't dislike Never Destination, but if they had to get it down to 10 songs that one is the most "this is a template for a rock song" out of the songs on the album.

    (River Cross is better than Retrograde though, even with it being tarnished)
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • raindog80
    raindog80 Reggio Emilia, Italy Posts: 1,192
    edited March 2021
    That's it! 

    01 Who Ever Said
    02 SuperBlood WolfMoon
    03 DOTC
    04 Quick Escape
    05 Alright
    05 Get It Back
    06 Retrograde (Short Version)
    07 Can't Deny Me
    08 Seven O'Clock
    09 Unreleased Pixies-esque track wrote by Ed Vedder w/ JA killer bass lines
    10 River Cross (Pump Organ version)
    Post edited by raindog80 on
    "I like beautiful melodies telling me terrible things" - Tom Waits
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,450
    edited March 2021
    raindog80 said:
    That's it! 

    01 Who Ever Said
    02 SuperBlood WolfMoon
    03 DOTC
    04 Quick Escape
    05 Alright
    05 Get It Back
    06 Retrograde (short version)
    07 Never Destination
    08 Seven O'Clock
    09 Unreleased Pixies-esque song wrote by Ed Vedder w/ JA killer bass lines
    10 River Cross
    Close, but not perfect:

    01 Can't Deny Me (overture version)
    02 Who Ever Said
    03 SuperBlood WolfMoon
    04 DOTC (album-version with a "less dead" production more in line with rest of the songs)
    05 Quick Escape
    06 Alright
    07 Get It Back
    08 Buckle Up
    09 Never Destination
    10 Seven O'Clock
    11 Unreleased Neil Young-and-Crazy-Horse-esque song wrote by Ed Vedder w/ JA killer bass lines
    12 Can't Deny Me


    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • raindog80
    raindog80 Reggio Emilia, Italy Posts: 1,192
    Spiritual_Chaos said:

    Close, but not perfect:

    Fuck, I forgot Can't Deny Me - really like this song! 
    "I like beautiful melodies telling me terrible things" - Tom Waits
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  • raindog80
    raindog80 Reggio Emilia, Italy Posts: 1,192
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    11 Unreleased Neil Young-and-Crazy-Horse-esque song wrote by Ed Vedder w/ JA killer bass lines

    WOW!  B)
    "I like beautiful melodies telling me terrible things" - Tom Waits
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  • matt84
    matt84 Posts: 822
    edited March 2021
    90% of the songs were replaced by better ones. Hate to be so negative towards this band, but it’s definitely the weakest album they’ve put out in my opinion.

    And yes - Can’t Deny Me should definitely have been included.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,450
    edited March 2021
    The world is coming around on Can't Deny Me.

    YES! FINALLY! Year Zero is upon us.

    https://youtu.be/d8RH8RO0eR0


    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • cp3iverson
    cp3iverson Posts: 8,702
    Only way to improve it is change the title.  Not a fan of that title.  Great album tho 
  • THEBIBLEISTEN
    THEBIBLEISTEN Posts: 2,002
    matt84 said:
    90% of the songs were replaced by better ones. Hate to be so negative towards this band, but it’s definitely the weakest album they’ve put out in my opinion.

    And yes - Can’t Deny Me should definitely have been included.
    What record are you listening to? This record blows backspacer and Lightning bolt out of the water. This is a great album. To say it’s weak is odd to me IMO. Listen again maybe. 
  • raindog80
    raindog80 Reggio Emilia, Italy Posts: 1,192
    matt84 said:
    90% of the songs were replaced by better ones. 
    Not true. 
    "I like beautiful melodies telling me terrible things" - Tom Waits
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  • raindog80
    raindog80 Reggio Emilia, Italy Posts: 1,192
    THEBIBLEISTEN said:
    This is a great album. To say it’s weak is odd to me IMO. Listen again maybe. 
    Well said. 
    "I like beautiful melodies telling me terrible things" - Tom Waits
    pearljamonline.it
  • raindog80
    raindog80 Reggio Emilia, Italy Posts: 1,192
    edited March 2021
    Ok, done some edits ;)

    01 Who Ever Said
    02 SuperBlood WolfMoon
    03 DOTC
    04 Quick Escape
    05 Alright
    05 Get It Back
    06 Retrograde (Short Version)
    07 Can't Deny Me
    08 Seven O'Clock
    09 Unreleased Pixies-esque track wrote by Ed Vedder w/ JA killer bass lines
    10 River Cross (Pump Organ version)

    "I like beautiful melodies telling me terrible things" - Tom Waits
    pearljamonline.it
  • on2legs
    on2legs Posts: 15,950
    THEBIBLEISTEN said:
    matt84 said:
    90% of the songs were replaced by better ones. Hate to be so negative towards this band, but it’s definitely the weakest album they’ve put out in my opinion.

    And yes - Can’t Deny Me should definitely have been included.
    What record are you listening to? This record blows backspacer and Lightning bolt out of the water. This is a great album. To say it’s weak is odd to me IMO. Listen again maybe. 
    Hard to believe... but I agree with you =)
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  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,205
    THEBIBLEISTEN said:
    matt84 said:
    90% of the songs were replaced by better ones. Hate to be so negative towards this band, but it’s definitely the weakest album they’ve put out in my opinion.

    And yes - Can’t Deny Me should definitely have been included.
    What record are you listening to? This record blows backspacer and Lightning bolt out of the water. This is a great album. To say it’s weak is odd to me IMO. Listen again maybe. 
    I’ve tried numerous times. I can’t get into it. I enjoy listening to LB way more. 
  • BloodMeridian80
    BloodMeridian80 Seattle Posts: 715
    Love the album. LB and BS were not for me on the whole, and I find issues with every album post-Yield, although I like all their work. Gigaton ranks up there in the top 1/2 for me too, and since it does, I wouldn’t change a thing. There’s a decent chance that whatever I find weak now, won’t be in the future.
  • wnh1977
    wnh1977 Iowa Posts: 650
    "Take The Long Way" is probably my least favorite song on the album.  Don't hate it... I like Matt having a moment on the album, but I'm generally not a huge fan of his songs.  I think "Take the Long Way" is better than "Get Right" (should've been left off Riot Act) and "Evacuation" (should've been left off Binaural), but it's still probably my least favorite Gigaton track.
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  • D-Rod
    D-Rod Hamilton, Ontario Posts: 1,992
    Need to hear these songs live before I can truely have an opinion.  
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  • Tjm007
    Tjm007 Posts: 189
    Like all PJ albums it would be better if the band said "NO" to EV a few more times.


  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,800
    It were comprised of the first four songs and called an EP 
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  • NewJPage
    NewJPage Posts: 3,319
    To me it's the best since riot act. Its starts out freaking great then settles in to "pretty good" for most of the second half. Comes then goes should be on an Ed solo album though
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