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With the caveat that this is among my top half of PJ albums and I've listened to it far too many times, I would:
- Get rid of Never Destination and River Cross. 10 songs is enough. Never Destination is a good song but doesn't really add anything that's not already on the album. River Cross doesn't do anything for me, and Retrograde would be the perfect closer.
- Switch up the order of Comes Then Goes with Buckle Up. Buckle Up --> CTG bothers me for a reason that I'm unable to articulate.

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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,519
    edited March 2021
    When they decided to sell River Cross to Verizon and allow it to be the theme song for a multinational corporation's brand, they should have removed it from the album, and never spoken about it again. 

    I don't dislike Never Destination, but if they had to get it down to 10 songs that one is the most "this is a template for a rock song" out of the songs on the album.

    (River Cross is better than Retrograde though, even with it being tarnished)
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • raindog80raindog80 Posts: 1,175
    edited March 2021
    That's it! 

    01 Who Ever Said
    02 SuperBlood WolfMoon
    03 DOTC
    04 Quick Escape
    05 Alright
    05 Get It Back
    06 Retrograde (Short Version)
    07 Can't Deny Me
    08 Seven O'Clock
    09 Unreleased Pixies-esque track wrote by Ed Vedder w/ JA killer bass lines
    10 River Cross (Pump Organ version)
    Post edited by raindog80 on
    "I like beautiful melodies telling me terrible things" - Tom Waits
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,519
    edited March 2021
    raindog80 said:
    That's it! 

    01 Who Ever Said
    02 SuperBlood WolfMoon
    03 DOTC
    04 Quick Escape
    05 Alright
    05 Get It Back
    06 Retrograde (short version)
    07 Never Destination
    08 Seven O'Clock
    09 Unreleased Pixies-esque song wrote by Ed Vedder w/ JA killer bass lines
    10 River Cross
    Close, but not perfect:

    01 Can't Deny Me (overture version)
    02 Who Ever Said
    03 SuperBlood WolfMoon
    04 DOTC (album-version with a "less dead" production more in line with rest of the songs)
    05 Quick Escape
    06 Alright
    07 Get It Back
    08 Buckle Up
    09 Never Destination
    10 Seven O'Clock
    11 Unreleased Neil Young-and-Crazy-Horse-esque song wrote by Ed Vedder w/ JA killer bass lines
    12 Can't Deny Me


    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • raindog80raindog80 Posts: 1,175
    Spiritual_Chaos said:

    Close, but not perfect:

    Fuck, I forgot Can't Deny Me - really like this song! 
    "I like beautiful melodies telling me terrible things" - Tom Waits
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  • raindog80raindog80 Posts: 1,175
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    11 Unreleased Neil Young-and-Crazy-Horse-esque song wrote by Ed Vedder w/ JA killer bass lines

    WOW!  B)
    "I like beautiful melodies telling me terrible things" - Tom Waits
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  • matt84matt84 Posts: 741
    edited March 2021
    90% of the songs were replaced by better ones. Hate to be so negative towards this band, but it’s definitely the weakest album they’ve put out in my opinion.

    And yes - Can’t Deny Me should definitely have been included.
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,519
    edited March 2021
    The world is coming around on Can't Deny Me.

    YES! FINALLY! Year Zero is upon us.

    https://youtu.be/d8RH8RO0eR0


    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,688
    Only way to improve it is change the title.  Not a fan of that title.  Great album tho 
  • THEBIBLEISTENTHEBIBLEISTEN Posts: 1,904
    matt84 said:
    90% of the songs were replaced by better ones. Hate to be so negative towards this band, but it’s definitely the weakest album they’ve put out in my opinion.

    And yes - Can’t Deny Me should definitely have been included.
    What record are you listening to? This record blows backspacer and Lightning bolt out of the water. This is a great album. To say it’s weak is odd to me IMO. Listen again maybe. 
  • raindog80raindog80 Posts: 1,175
    matt84 said:
    90% of the songs were replaced by better ones. 
    Not true. 
    "I like beautiful melodies telling me terrible things" - Tom Waits
    pearljamonline.it
  • raindog80raindog80 Posts: 1,175
    THEBIBLEISTEN said:
    This is a great album. To say it’s weak is odd to me IMO. Listen again maybe. 
    Well said. 
    "I like beautiful melodies telling me terrible things" - Tom Waits
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  • raindog80raindog80 Posts: 1,175
    edited March 2021
    Ok, done some edits ;)

    01 Who Ever Said
    02 SuperBlood WolfMoon
    03 DOTC
    04 Quick Escape
    05 Alright
    05 Get It Back
    06 Retrograde (Short Version)
    07 Can't Deny Me
    08 Seven O'Clock
    09 Unreleased Pixies-esque track wrote by Ed Vedder w/ JA killer bass lines
    10 River Cross (Pump Organ version)

    "I like beautiful melodies telling me terrible things" - Tom Waits
    pearljamonline.it
  • on2legson2legs Posts: 15,119
    THEBIBLEISTEN said:
    matt84 said:
    90% of the songs were replaced by better ones. Hate to be so negative towards this band, but it’s definitely the weakest album they’ve put out in my opinion.

    And yes - Can’t Deny Me should definitely have been included.
    What record are you listening to? This record blows backspacer and Lightning bolt out of the water. This is a great album. To say it’s weak is odd to me IMO. Listen again maybe. 
    Hard to believe... but I agree with you =)
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,438
    THEBIBLEISTEN said:
    matt84 said:
    90% of the songs were replaced by better ones. Hate to be so negative towards this band, but it’s definitely the weakest album they’ve put out in my opinion.

    And yes - Can’t Deny Me should definitely have been included.
    What record are you listening to? This record blows backspacer and Lightning bolt out of the water. This is a great album. To say it’s weak is odd to me IMO. Listen again maybe. 
    I’ve tried numerous times. I can’t get into it. I enjoy listening to LB way more. 
  • BloodMeridian80BloodMeridian80 Posts: 655
    Love the album. LB and BS were not for me on the whole, and I find issues with every album post-Yield, although I like all their work. Gigaton ranks up there in the top 1/2 for me too, and since it does, I wouldn’t change a thing. There’s a decent chance that whatever I find weak now, won’t be in the future.
  • wnh1977wnh1977 Posts: 634
    "Take The Long Way" is probably my least favorite song on the album.  Don't hate it... I like Matt having a moment on the album, but I'm generally not a huge fan of his songs.  I think "Take the Long Way" is better than "Get Right" (should've been left off Riot Act) and "Evacuation" (should've been left off Binaural), but it's still probably my least favorite Gigaton track.
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  • D-RodD-Rod Posts: 1,845
    Need to hear these songs live before I can truely have an opinion.  
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  • Tjm007Tjm007 Posts: 185
    Like all PJ albums it would be better if the band said "NO" to EV a few more times.


  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain Posts: 31,261
    It were comprised of the first four songs and called an EP 
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  • NewJPageNewJPage Posts: 3,310
    To me it's the best since riot act. Its starts out freaking great then settles in to "pretty good" for most of the second half. Comes then goes should be on an Ed solo album though
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  • Abe FromanAbe Froman Posts: 5,280
    River Cross is one of my favorites. I am still loving Gigaton just the way it is
  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,438
    Tjm007 said:
    Like all PJ albums it would be better if the band said "NO" to EV a few more times.


    100%. Recycled Riffs and a solo song that runs 6 mins?! No thanks.  
  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,438
    F Me In The Brain said:
    It were comprised of the first four songs and called an EP 
    Nailed. 
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,519
    NewJPage said:
    Its starts out freaking great then settles in to "pretty good" for most of the second half. Comes then goes should be on an Ed solo album though
    I agree. 

    I also find the tracklist weird, with starting with all the OUMPH! and then just have a string of slow songs. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,979
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    When they decided to sell River Cross to Verizon and allow it to be the theme song for a multinational corporation's brand, they should have removed it from the album, and never spoken about it again. 

    I don't dislike Never Destination, but if they had to get it down to 10 songs that one is the most "this is a template for a rock song" out of the songs on the album.

    (River Cross is better than Retrograde though, even with it being tarnished)
    They didn't make it the theme song. Do you hear it on every Verizon commercial? No
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,519
    edited March 2021
    igotid88 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    When they decided to sell River Cross to Verizon and allow it to be the theme song for a multinational corporation's brand, they should have removed it from the album, and never spoken about it again. 

    I don't dislike Never Destination, but if they had to get it down to 10 songs that one is the most "this is a template for a rock song" out of the songs on the album.

    (River Cross is better than Retrograde though, even with it being tarnished)
    They didn't make it the theme song. Do you hear it on every Verizon commercial? No
    I live in Sweden. Verizon isn't a thing here. I sure hope to never hear a Pearl Jam song be the theme song for one or every event where Telenor or Telia commercials run.

    Or a Beatles song:
    https://youtu.be/t9ePbEFX8_4
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,979
    If people actually gave it a chance and didn't prejudge because they didn't like Dance. 

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  • Kearn5yKearn5y Posts: 2,874
    I gave it a listen today because of this thread. Still cant get into it. Love Quick Escape, Seven O' Clock and Alright (probably hated by most). Who Ever Said would have been great but for the lull half way through which will become a clapper when played live. Superblood Wolfmoon could have been better bar the gibberish shit less than a minute in. DOC ending is a big no no, still cant get that song. Take the Long Way is just bland. Never Destination is OK.. Buckle Up is Ok.
    River Cross, I had high hopes for this even though it didnt grab my attention when Eddie played it in Dublin. Hoped it would become a full band song for the album. Its just meh.  
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,360
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    igotid88 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    When they decided to sell River Cross to Verizon and allow it to be the theme song for a multinational corporation's brand, they should have removed it from the album, and never spoken about it again. 

    I don't dislike Never Destination, but if they had to get it down to 10 songs that one is the most "this is a template for a rock song" out of the songs on the album.

    (River Cross is better than Retrograde though, even with it being tarnished)
    They didn't make it the theme song. Do you hear it on every Verizon commercial? No
    I live in Sweden. Verizon isn't a thing here. I sure hope to never hear a Pearl Jam song be the theme song for one or every event where Telenor or Telia commercials run.

    Or a Beatles song:
    https://youtu.be/t9ePbEFX8_4
    I think I only ever heard it once, during the SuperBowl maybe? It was a one-off ad, definitely not a theme song. And if I remember, it tied into support for fire fighters too or something.
    I do think an organ solo version would have been better, but I'm glad it is on the album.
    I'd get rid of Buckle Up and maybe Alright.
    Definitely a better album that LB. I like it about as much as Backspacer. And I like Backspacer better than most do here.
  • DukeSpiritDukeSpirit Posts: 278
    THEBIBLEISTEN said:
    matt84 said:
    90% of the songs were replaced by better ones. Hate to be so negative towards this band, but it’s definitely the weakest album they’ve put out in my opinion.

    And yes - Can’t Deny Me should definitely have been included.
    What record are you listening to? This record blows backspacer and Lightning bolt out of the water. This is a great album. To say it’s weak is odd to me IMO. Listen again maybe. 
    I feel the same. Don't like it at all. 
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