Joe Manchin
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dankind said:cincybearcat said:So for those of you losses at someone voting their beliefs and not just with their party...
Are you now willing to go back and change all your posts about party before country republicans?Y’all confuse me.If he’s voting along the lines of the people who put him in office (in this case the electorate of West Virginia), then he’s doing his job.A majority of Americans may want the issues he’s obstructing passed, but West Virginia may not.I understand being pissed because he’s wearing your team’s jersey and playing defense against your team at the same time.But the teams that these people really play for—or are supposed to anyway—are the states/districts that elected them to play.West Virginians likely will not support progressive policies at the federal level within our lifetimes. Manchin’s staffers likely spend their days fielding calls, letters, and emails requesting Manchin vote against most progressive policies. So that’s likely what he does. (See Bernie and gun control for another example.)If he’s voting his personal beliefs, then he shouldn’t be a senator.0 -
static111 said:cincybearcat said:So for those of you losses at someone voting their beliefs and not just with their party...
Are you now willing to go back and change all your posts about party before country republicans?Y’all confuse me.Apparently even the Republican governor of his state says go big on stimulus... https://www.google.com/amp/s/pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2021/02/27/republican-west-virginia-governor-jim-justice-says-go-big-or-go-home-on-stimulus/amp/
Oh and west Virginians are also in favor of the Stimulus... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/exclusive-poll-1400-stimulus-checks-overwhelmingly-favored-4-states-moderate-gop-senators-1567660%3famp=1
so who exactly is he working for again? I’m thinking maybe Moscow Mitchy is dangling a carrotPolls are meaningless.I SAW PEARL JAM0 -
dankind said:static111 said:cincybearcat said:So for those of you losses at someone voting their beliefs and not just with their party...
Are you now willing to go back and change all your posts about party before country republicans?Y’all confuse me.Apparently even the Republican governor of his state says go big on stimulus... https://www.google.com/amp/s/pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2021/02/27/republican-west-virginia-governor-jim-justice-says-go-big-or-go-home-on-stimulus/amp/
Oh and west Virginians are also in favor of the Stimulus... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/exclusive-poll-1400-stimulus-checks-overwhelmingly-favored-4-states-moderate-gop-senators-1567660%3famp=1
so who exactly is he working for again? I’m thinking maybe Moscow Mitchy is dangling a carrotPolls are meaningless.Scio me nihil scire
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static111 said:dankind said:static111 said:cincybearcat said:So for those of you losses at someone voting their beliefs and not just with their party...
Are you now willing to go back and change all your posts about party before country republicans?Y’all confuse me.Apparently even the Republican governor of his state says go big on stimulus... https://www.google.com/amp/s/pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2021/02/27/republican-west-virginia-governor-jim-justice-says-go-big-or-go-home-on-stimulus/amp/
Oh and west Virginians are also in favor of the Stimulus... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/exclusive-poll-1400-stimulus-checks-overwhelmingly-favored-4-states-moderate-gop-senators-1567660%3famp=1
so who exactly is he working for again? I’m thinking maybe Moscow Mitchy is dangling a carrotPolls are meaningless.
The media doesn't conduct these thrown-together quick polls without some agenda, you know, and it takes just as long to fill out/answer that poll as it does to make a phone call. As someone who makes them all the time, you probably know as well as I do that it's usually not even five minutes, usually three of which are spent on hold.
I don't like Cruz or Manchin or what they are doing to the nation as a whole -- I think that the former should be doing time for treason, and I'm just waiting around for the latter (and his entire ilk) to just fucking go extinct already! -- but I'm not convinced that they're voting against their constituents on the stimulus.
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Manchin, key Senate swing vote, boosts West Virginia's hopesBy CUNEYT DIL1 hour ago
CHARLESTON, W.Va. (AP) — West Virginia has long proclaimed itself “Almost Heaven,” a nod to a song and soaring mountaintop vistas. Now some joke the state name-checked in “Take Me Home, Country Roads” could take things up a notch as Democratic U.S. Sen Joe Manchin bargains his way through Congress.
“Maybe we’ll get to heaven status,” said longtime Democratic Party official Nick Casey.
Reviving West Virginia’s economically battered coal towns and reversing a persistent population decline is a tall order. But Manchin, who grew up in the mountain town of Farmington, has emerged as a key swing vote in a divided Senate. Now he has his best shot in years to steer federal dollars back home.
Manchin put himself in the middle of things again this week over the COVID relief bill making its way through Congress, singlehandedly halting work on the measure Friday as Democrats sought to placate his concerns about the size and duration of an expanded unemployment benefit.
As for his own agenda, Manchin has dropped hints publicly about “common sense” infrastructure investments sorely needed back home: expanding rural broadband and fixing roads among them. He declared that West Virginia could supply the manufacturing firepower to “innovate our way to a cleaner climate.” And more than once, he's said coal miners can build the best solar panels if given a chance.
Some wonder if his newfound clout might help him do something former President Donald Trump promised but couldn’t deliver — reignite a state economy long overly dependent on a coal industry in freefall.
Manchin's Senate colleagues have good reason to study the needs of small towns beyond the Blue Ridge Mountains. Manchin, 73, was already a recognized dealmaker on Capitol Hill, but deference to the most conservative Democrat in a 50-50 Senate has ratcheted up since November. A senator from Hawaii recently teased him as “your highness.” The guessing game of which way he'll vote has become fodder for late night television.
In recent days, Manchin's opposition helped sink Neera Tanden as President Joe Biden's nominee to lead the federal Office of Management and Budget.
Not since Robert Byrd’s death in 2010 has a senator from West Virginia wielded this much influence. Over half a century, Byrd brought home billions of dollars in federal buildings, landmarks and roads, many bearing his name.
“This is hardscrabble country, man — our population is dropping, the demise of coal,” said Casey, an attorney and former chair of the state Democratic Party. “We got a guy now who can maybe do something legacy-wise. And I think there’s a lot of hope and some expectation that Joe’s going to do things that are significant, exceptional.”
Pam Garrison, a retired cashier, said she told Manchin at a meeting seeking a $15 federal minimum wage that Byrd has universities and hospitals named after him because “when he got into power, he used that power for the good of the people.”
“If you do what’s good for the people, even after you’re gone, you’re going to be remembered.”
Manchin, though, sees himself not as a seeker of pork-barrel projects but as a champion for policies that aid Appalachia and the Rust Belt.
“What we have to do now, and I think it’s appropriate — we show the need, and that the base has been left behind,” he said.
He started down that road by joining Michigan Democratic Sen. Debbie Stabenow in co-sponsoring a proposal for $8 billion in tax credits to boost clean energy manufacturing for coal communities and the auto industry.
Robert Rupp, a political history professor at West Virginia Wesleyan College, says Manchin can use his position in a 50-50 Senate to put his small state in the forefront of everyone’s mind.
“He’s at the center of attention, and he could assert power,” Rupp said.
A former governor, Manchin has deep roots in West Virginia politics. That helps explain why he is the last Democrat to hold statewide office in a state Trump carried twice by large margins.
Manchin maintains an air of unpredictability. He opposed a $15 minimum wage provision in the $1.9 billion pandemic stimulus package, even after activists rallied outside his state office in Charleston, leaving some to question his future legacy.
“We’re either going to smell like a rose in West Virginia, or we’re going to smell like crap, and it’s going to be attributed to Joseph Manchin,” said Jean Evansmore, 80, an organizer with the Poor People’s Campaign in West Virginia.
Days later, the Senate parliamentarian ruled an increase couldn’t be included in the COVID-19 relief bill. That was a win for Manchin and his reverence for Senate customs, including the filibuster, which helps sustain a 60-vote hurdle to advancing most legislation.
Manchin has vowed never to support ending the filibuster.
On a recent morning in Charleston outside the golden-domed state Capitol, saving it was a rallying cry for anti-abortion advocates, who held signs stating, “Thank you Senator Manchin.”
“We need to encourage him to stand strong,” said Marilyn Musgrave, who works for the Susan B. Anthony List, an anti-abortion nonprofit.
Musgrave's group looks to Manchin now after campaigning against his 2018 bid for a second full term, which he won with just under 50% of the vote. Manchin opposes public funding for abortions but stops short of supporting an outright ban. Still, he typically scores a low rating from abortion-rights groups, which puts him more in line with West Virginians who collectively have sent mixed signals on abortion.
With his centrist instincts in such a red state, Manchin has occasionally been the subject of rumors he'll switch parties.
“Republicans kind of have this day-dream that just because he’s conservative on some issues that would mean he would jump parties,” Rupp said.
That's unlikely, especially given Manchin's newfound clout, he said. And that's fine with Matt Kerner, a 54-year-old West Virginian who wants Manchin to never forget that 16% of the people in his state live below the poverty line, the sixth-highest rate in the nation, according to the U.S. Census.
“We're hoping Senator Manchin remembers that he represents some of the poorest people in this country,” Kerner said.
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static111 said:cincybearcat said:So for those of you losses at someone voting their beliefs and not just with their party...
Are you now willing to go back and change all your posts about party before country republicans?Y’all confuse me.Apparently even the Republican governor of his state says go big on stimulus... https://www.google.com/amp/s/pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2021/02/27/republican-west-virginia-governor-jim-justice-says-go-big-or-go-home-on-stimulus/amp/
Oh and west Virginians are also in favor of the Stimulus... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/exclusive-poll-1400-stimulus-checks-overwhelmingly-favored-4-states-moderate-gop-senators-1567660%3famp=1
so who exactly is he working for again? I’m thinking maybe Moscow Mitchy is dangling a carrotjesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
josevolution said:static111 said:cincybearcat said:So for those of you losses at someone voting their beliefs and not just with their party...
Are you now willing to go back and change all your posts about party before country republicans?Y’all confuse me.Apparently even the Republican governor of his state says go big on stimulus... https://www.google.com/amp/s/pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2021/02/27/republican-west-virginia-governor-jim-justice-says-go-big-or-go-home-on-stimulus/amp/
Oh and west Virginians are also in favor of the Stimulus... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/exclusive-poll-1400-stimulus-checks-overwhelmingly-favored-4-states-moderate-gop-senators-1567660%3famp=1
so who exactly is he working for again? I’m thinking maybe Moscow Mitchy is dangling a carrot0 -
josevolution said:static111 said:cincybearcat said:So for those of you losses at someone voting their beliefs and not just with their party...
Are you now willing to go back and change all your posts about party before country republicans?Y’all confuse me.Apparently even the Republican governor of his state says go big on stimulus... https://www.google.com/amp/s/pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2021/02/27/republican-west-virginia-governor-jim-justice-says-go-big-or-go-home-on-stimulus/amp/
Oh and west Virginians are also in favor of the Stimulus... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/exclusive-poll-1400-stimulus-checks-overwhelmingly-favored-4-states-moderate-gop-senators-1567660%3famp=1
so who exactly is he working for again? I’m thinking maybe Moscow Mitchy is dangling a carrotScio me nihil scire
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So his hope of getting 10 gop senators to approve of his version of voting bill went straight into the toilet. Whats his move now?and this one.....
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mickeyrat said:So his hope of getting 10 gop senators to approve of his version of voting bill went straight into the toilet. Whats his move now?and this one.....09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Halifax2TheMax said:mickeyrat said:So his hope of getting 10 gop senators to approve of his version of voting bill went straight into the toilet. Whats his move now?and this one.....Scio me nihil scire
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Go Indy, Joe, go.
A day after dismissing as “bullshit” a Mother Jones report that he was considering it, Manchin told reporters he had discussed the possibility of becoming an independent “if I’m an embarrassment to my Democrat colleagues, my caucus, the president being the leader of the Democratic Party.”
“I said, me being a moderate centrist Democrat, if that causes you a problem, let me know and I’d switch to be an independent. But I’d still be caucusing with Democrats,” Manchin said. “That’s the only thing that was ever discussed. No one accepted that.” He did not specify the colleagues by name.
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good. gtfo."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Yes please don’t let the door hit you or Sinema on your way out the door!jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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i was just thinking, you know a dying fossil fuel industry still has too much damn money for one man to fight so hard to keep that industry on life support."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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does anybody know how many billionaires live in west virginia?
none.
zero.
manchin is opposing raising taxes on people who are not even his constituents."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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gimmesometruth27 said:does anybody know how many billionaires live in west virginia?
none.
zero.
manchin is opposing raising taxes on people who are not even his constituents.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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It's interesting that people get tired of the republicans voting all together to block stuff, etc and then mad when someone from the Dems isn't lock-step.
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cincybearcat said:It's interesting that people get tired of the republicans voting all together to block stuff, etc and then mad when someone from the Dems isn't lock-step.0
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nicknyr15 said:cincybearcat said:It's interesting that people get tired of the republicans voting all together to block stuff, etc and then mad when someone from the Dems isn't lock-step.hippiemom = goodness0
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