The coronavirus

dankind said:

PJPOWER said:

bbiggs said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

PJNB said:

Can someone explain to me why the US would not be able to return back to normal before this time next year? If everyone is vaccinated by summer what is stopping them from opening back up? I get that the variants are in question as is the length of time the vaccine works but are we seriously going to have restrictions in place just in case of a variant or length of the vaccine is not what we think it is? We are doing this to limit the hospitalizations and deaths and help the hospitals not become full to the point the health system would collapse. 

Lets say everyone is vaccinated by August. It should be earlier but lets use that month. How is the government going to justify restrictions for another 6 months if the vaccine does what we hope it does? I see this being a huge issue for the Dems regarding the 2022 elections. People for the most part have been great regarding the rules. That goodwill will be long gone I think if we are still a year away from normalcy. 

because 60% of republicans, which is about 30% of the population, have stated that they will not take any form of covid vaccine. this is only going to delay things opening back up.

you can not reach the level of immunity needed to safely open up when only 65% of people will even be willing to take a vaccine.

do not implicate all americans in the stupidity and ignorance of the minority.

also. i do not know where you are located, but people here refuse to even mask up. around here fewer and fewer people are being good about following the rules.

Is there real data that suggests the only people unwilling to take the vaccine are Republicans?  If so, that is remarkable.  There was a fairly significant anti-vaxxer movement prior to Covid (and still is) and I know that some of the most vocal advocates leading the charge are not Republicans.  This would be an interesting data point to see.

I think what's more important than the percentage of the overall population that is unwilling to get vaccinated, is the percentage of the elderly and most at-risk population that is unwilling to get vaccinated.  I do not have supporting data, but I am guessing that percentage is extremely low.  If my assumption is correct, then not opening up because a relatively small percentage of the population (that is not high risk for serious illness or death) is unwilling to take a vaccine seems like a bad move.  If that group gets sick and infects one another, that is a conscious decision that they made, full well knowing the risks.  It is not putting the rest of the population at risk and/or putting a strain on hospitals.  That has always been the goal, right? 

My take has been, and remains, that when every American has been given the opportunity to be vaccinated, it is time to move forward towards normalcy.  For those that have decided to forego the vaccine, that is on them.

I totally agree with this, especially the last part.  When we get to the point that everyone has had the opportunity to get the vaccine, but some are holding out or outright refuse to get it, then any of their complaints about society moving forward or getting “left behind” should be completely ignored.  At that point, I will have no sympathy for those that refuse the vaccine and get a bad case of the virus.  

Personally I think everyone has a social obligation to get the vaccine once available, less be barred from certain activities that the vaccinated can enjoy, such as concerts or sporting events.
Immigrants should also have to take the vaccine before being able to roam freely in the country.
I have no problem shaming people that refuse to get vaccinated.

Yes. I had this discussion with my wife recently. Her parents are refusing to be vaccinated, so she wants to continue not seeing them and not having them see their grandchildren. I told her that was not very cool. Once a vaccination has been offered to everyone, we can no longer worry about killing grandma and grandpa. If they die, it was by suicide by ignorance.

gvn2fly1421 said:

The Juggler said:

F Me In The Brain said:

The Juggler said:

F Me In The Brain said:

The Dems caused the pandemic to get rid of Trump is the dumbest claim out of all of the dumb Trump suckers' dumb claims.

What about the rest of the world, idiots?

The whole world did this to get rid of one obese 🤡?

Idiotic.

Remember Trump saying you won't hear anything about the virus after November 4th?

Fucking morons

They really are the dumbest people around.

"We are over wearing masks"

"People need to get out"

WTF does that have to do with keeping the number of people infected/hospitalized as low as possible until the vaccines are available to all?

Especially now that we have a date for that, as provided yesterday?  If the vaccine will be made available to any adult in the US who wants it by the end of May...why not wait until the right number of days into June to allow for the vaccine to kick in to open the states back up?

At that point, anti-vaxxers are on their own.  At least the hospitals will be ready to help them if they do get sick.

The whole world conspired to get fatboy out of office by making the pandemic seem worse than it was.

   

Fools!

Because 40% of the people in this country are characters in this movie. They're not even real people anymore.

Here is Halifax and F Me...

gvn2fly1421 said:

hedonist said:

Yeah, I was wondering about the travel issue. 

Here in good ol’ CA, it’s about 50/50 when it comes to masks, at least in LA. The majority without seem to be younger. Every elderly person I encounter is masked.

It can’t be that difficult to just be safe, exercise consideration, protocols, etc...can it?

My opinion, which many here will tell you is complete shit and that's fine, is that it is not that difficult to do those things.  Many people, myself included, have did those things for weeks and months only to realize those advising me (1) are not doing those things themselves and (b) those things are not doing anything to stop the virus.  We were told life will be back to normal when the vaccines get here, only to be told that if you are vaccinated you still have to mask, distance, the works.  At what point is enough, enough?  People are tired of it.

Here is video of a liberal doctor on Tucker (yes, I know)...  I think she describes it well...  It's two minutes and worth watching til the end...

https://twitter.com/9NEWSNANCY/status/1365909751956185089

mace1229 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

hedonist said:

Yeah, I was wondering about the travel issue. 

Here in good ol’ CA, it’s about 50/50 when it comes to masks, at least in LA. The majority without seem to be younger. Every elderly person I encounter is masked.

It can’t be that difficult to just be safe, exercise consideration, protocols, etc...can it?

My opinion, which many here will tell you is complete shit and that's fine, is that it is not that difficult to do those things.  Many people, myself included, have did those things for weeks and months only to realize those advising me (1) are not doing those things themselves and (b) those things are not doing anything to stop the virus.  We were told life will be back to normal when the vaccines get here, only to be told that if you are vaccinated you still have to mask, distance, the works.  At what point is enough, enough?  People are tired of it.

Here is video of a liberal doctor on Tucker (yes, I know)...  I think she describes it well...  It's two minutes and worth watching til the end...

https://twitter.com/9NEWSNANCY/status/1365909751956185089

I'm not buying the double or triple masks. But a single mask definitely does work. Its not 100% effective, but it does reduce the risk by a lot.
The vaccines are believed to basically just mask the symptoms. Meaning you can still get it and still transfer it, it is just a mild case if you do. SO being vaccinated when most of the country still isn't has nothing to do with wearing a mask or not at this point. The vaccine just gives you almost a zero chance of death or hospitalization if you do get it, that's all right now. While the vaccines are here, they are not available to everyone yet. That wont happen until May or June at the earliest. 
I do think some of the measures and closures have had little impact and were unnecessary, but keeping a distance and masking has undoubtedly help slow the spread. 

gvn2fly1421 said:

PJPOWER said:

I totally agree with this, especially the last part.  When we get to the point that everyone has had the opportunity to get the vaccine, but some are holding out or outright refuse to get it, then any of their complaints about society moving forward or getting “left behind” should be completely ignored.  At that point, I will have no sympathy for those that refuse the vaccine and get a bad case of the virus.  

Personally I think everyone has a social obligation to get the vaccine once available, less be barred from certain activities that the vaccinated can enjoy, such as concerts or sporting events.
Immigrants should also have to take the vaccine before being able to roam freely in the country or gain citizenship.
I have no problem shaming people that refuse to get vaccinated.  “Anti-vaxxers” are a burden on society.

I think we are all agreeing with bbiggs, who made a well thought out post.

I disagree with this statement though.  What does it matter if the vaccinated and non-vaccinated are in the same place together?  The vaccinated should feel safe and those who are not know the dangers that the event they are attending.  We never make people show proof of the flu vaccine before attending events, not sure why we should start now?

gimmesometruth27 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

PJNB said:

I already explained to him the necessity of masking up and distancing even while vaccinated right now and he just ignored what I said. Thats how these convos go. Proven wrong or informed on the matter and silently move on to the next outrage. 

That's where you are wrong.  I understand.  I really do.  I am asking, at what point does it stop?  When everyone available has the chance to get the vaccine?  Biden is saying everyone that wants one will have one by summer, yet stated yesterday that we are a full year away from returning to normal.  Forgive me for living through a year of all of these draconian measures and not being a little bit skeptical.

if wearing a mask and staying 6 feet away from someone and avoiding large gatherings are draconian to you, i would hate to see you living in the time of draco.

gvn2fly1421 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

I would never wish death upon a child.  
You would never say that to me IRL.  I don't even wish death on the assholes who caused this issue to be so much worse because they refused to work to try and keep the virus down.  That is awful.  
You make your troll jokes 

There you are.  I would never say that to you IRL?  What does that even mean?  If I said that to you, you would beat me up?  Probably wouldn't happen, not because you couldn't, I am quite sure you could, but because you wouldn't get close enough to me being maskless.

And you keep throwing that blame on those "people who refused to work to try to keep the virus down"!  Please, do not put any blame on the Governors and public health types who have advised us this whole time.

gvn2fly1421 said:

PJNB said:

I already explained to him the necessity of masking up and distancing even while vaccinated right now and he just ignored what I said. Thats how these convos go. Proven wrong or informed on the matter and silently move on to the next outrage. 

That's where you are wrong.  I understand.  I really do.  I am asking, at what point does it stop?  When everyone available has the chance to get the vaccine?  Biden is saying everyone that wants one will have one by summer, yet stated yesterday that we are a full year away from returning to normal.  Forgive me for living through a year of all of these draconian measures and not being a little bit skeptical.