The coronavirus

gvn2fly1421 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

I cannot imagine having twitter and following all of these fucking people and getting updates all day long.
My web interface with people is LinkedIn to prospective clients and partners - mostly sending video or text messages directly to them....or posting on an aged rock band's forum.
That is it - yet if I wanted to I could spend hours a day doing it.  Need to leave time for work, family, exercise, reading, music, language, vodka, and perhaps some tv.  

How in the hell do people balance twitter, being epidemiologists, emergency room doctors, statisticians, constitutional law experts, and rock band fans all at one time?

It seems like I am taking up a lot of space in your head.  Dunno.  I do know you have not offered one counter argument to anything I have posted, just clown emojis.  I will leave for good now and leave y’all be.  

I do challenge each of you to see out additional information.  If I only watched the national news, I would not have left my house for the past 10 months.  Fortunately, I have found other rational voices during this time to let me know we are all gonna be alright!

Here are some good sources of additional coronavirus information, or as this board would call them conspiracy theorists.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexBerenson

https://mobile.twitter.com/justin_hart

https://mobile.twitter.com/EWoodhouse7

https://mobile.twitter.com/JordanSchachtel?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

https://mobile.twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor (I admit, I am not the brightest but the Skeptic makes me feel dumb.  Most of his stuff I get but the other I feel like I need another degree to get)

https://mobile.twitter.com/ianmSC?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor  (Tons of graphs and other data)

God bless and stay safe y’all!

In mid-January, an unsettling report from Norway suggested 23 frail, elderly patients had all died after receiving a dose of a COVID-19 vaccine.

The finding made headlines around the world.

Meanwhile, here in Canada, there have been instances of coronavirus infections and deaths in the midst of initial vaccination efforts targeting residents of long-term care. 

A home in Saskatoon where the vast majority of residents had received their first vaccine dose later reported seven cases of COVID-19. And a facility in Barrie, Ont., is in the grips of a facility-wide outbreak that has caused dozens of deaths due to a fast-spreading virus variant — even as public health officials raced to fully vaccinate all the residents while the outbreak progressed.

But in all these instances of seniors falling ill or dying after receiving at least one dose, dire-sounding headlines don't tell the whole story, experts say.

"Just because somebody died after receiving the COVID vaccine does not mean the COVID vaccine caused the death," said Dr. Noni MacDonald, a researcher focused on vaccine safety who is also a professor at Dalhousie University's department of pediatrics in Halifax.

In the case of outbreaks in long-term care homes, it's important to remember that while one dose offers some level of protection, it's not the full amount that results from the two-dose regimen for either of the vaccines currently approved in Canada, said Dr. Samir Sinha, director of geriatrics at Mount Sinai Hospital in Toronto. 

That means even if residents get partially vaccinated, it might not be enough to protect them if the virus is spreading where they live.

"There might have been a high level of COVID circulating, and they didn't have enough protection within days of their very first dose to confer immunity at that point," he said.

Canadian physicians also stress COVID-19 vaccines are proving overwhelmingly safe and protective for the majority of elderly recipients — a population that's at the highest risk of dying from the illness.

"We are now hoping that as soon as we get people vaccinated, especially in these care settings, that we're really going to see the burden of disease — and the resulting burden of death — stopped," Sinha said.

No unexpected death increase, WHO concludes

In Norway, the deaths of those 23 elderly vaccine recipients happened during the course of more than 20,000 Pfizer-BioNTech doses being administered over several weeks — not all in one go — and in a country where around 400 deaths normally occur among care home residents on a weekly basis.

Following a review of the deaths, which later totalled more than 30, the World Health Organization concluded there was actually no "unexpected" increase in deaths of frail, elderly individuals or any unusual adverse events following the vaccinations.

In fact, the vaccine did not play a "contributory role" in the fatalities at all, the panel found.

It's a finding that comes as tens of millions of COVID-19 vaccine doses are being administered in countries around the world, including to millions of seniors, with the clear protective benefits against severe infections so far outweighing minor risks such as allergic reactions in rare instances.

"We're just not seeing the data showing that the vaccine is hastening anybody's death," Sinha said.

However, an earlier investigation from the Norwegian Medicines Agency, Norway's national medical regulatory authority, did note that common adverse reactions of mRNA-based vaccines, such as fever, nausea and diarrhea, may have contributed to some of those deadly outcomes in the Norweigian patients. 

Canadian physicians do agree immune system responses to a vaccine could indeed prove dire, but only for the most frail of elderly individuals who are already approaching their death based on their age and pre-existing health issues.

That could mean someone immobile, largely bed-bound and in the end stages of dementia, explained geriatrician Dr. Janet McElhaney, the scientific director of the Health Sciences North Research Institute and a professor at the Northern Ontario School of Medicine in Sudbury, Ont.

"Those are not the people that we want to be vaccinating, as they are unlikely to tolerate that."

For someone severely frail and dehydrated, even a short bout of diarrhea can be dangerous to their health, she said.

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oftenreading said:

Countering some misinformation:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid-coronavirus-seniors-vaccine-facts-1.5888781

In mid-January, an unsettling report from Norway suggested 23 frail, elderly patients had all died after receiving a dose of a COVID-19 vaccine.

The finding made headlines around the world.

Meanwhile, here in Canada, there have been instances of coronavirus infections and deaths in the midst of initial vaccination efforts targeting residents of long-term care. 

A home in Saskatoon where the vast majority of residents had received their first vaccine dose later reported seven cases of COVID-19. And a facility in Barrie, Ont., is in the grips of a facility-wide outbreak that has caused dozens of deaths due to a fast-spreading virus variant — even as public health officials raced to fully vaccinate all the residents while the outbreak progressed.

But in all these instances of seniors falling ill or dying after receiving at least one dose, dire-sounding headlines don't tell the whole story, experts say.

"Just because somebody died after receiving the COVID vaccine does not mean the COVID vaccine caused the death," said Dr. Noni MacDonald, a researcher focused on vaccine safety who is also a professor at Dalhousie University's department of pediatrics in Halifax.

In the case of outbreaks in long-term care homes, it's important to remember that while one dose offers some level of protection, it's not the full amount that results from the two-dose regimen for either of the vaccines currently approved in Canada, said Dr. Samir Sinha, director of geriatrics at Mount Sinai Hospital in Toronto. 

That means even if residents get partially vaccinated, it might not be enough to protect them if the virus is spreading where they live.

"There might have been a high level of COVID circulating, and they didn't have enough protection within days of their very first dose to confer immunity at that point," he said.

Canadian physicians also stress COVID-19 vaccines are proving overwhelmingly safe and protective for the majority of elderly recipients — a population that's at the highest risk of dying from the illness.

"We are now hoping that as soon as we get people vaccinated, especially in these care settings, that we're really going to see the burden of disease — and the resulting burden of death — stopped," Sinha said.

No unexpected death increase, WHO concludes

In Norway, the deaths of those 23 elderly vaccine recipients happened during the course of more than 20,000 Pfizer-BioNTech doses being administered over several weeks — not all in one go — and in a country where around 400 deaths normally occur among care home residents on a weekly basis.

Following a review of the deaths, which later totalled more than 30, the World Health Organization concluded there was actually no "unexpected" increase in deaths of frail, elderly individuals or any unusual adverse events following the vaccinations.

In fact, the vaccine did not play a "contributory role" in the fatalities at all, the panel found.

It's a finding that comes as tens of millions of COVID-19 vaccine doses are being administered in countries around the world, including to millions of seniors, with the clear protective benefits against severe infections so far outweighing minor risks such as allergic reactions in rare instances.

"We're just not seeing the data showing that the vaccine is hastening anybody's death," Sinha said.

However, an earlier investigation from the Norwegian Medicines Agency, Norway's national medical regulatory authority, did note that common adverse reactions of mRNA-based vaccines, such as fever, nausea and diarrhea, may have contributed to some of those deadly outcomes in the Norweigian patients. 

Canadian physicians do agree immune system responses to a vaccine could indeed prove dire, but only for the most frail of elderly individuals who are already approaching their death based on their age and pre-existing health issues.

That could mean someone immobile, largely bed-bound and in the end stages of dementia, explained geriatrician Dr. Janet McElhaney, the scientific director of the Health Sciences North Research Institute and a professor at the Northern Ontario School of Medicine in Sudbury, Ont.

"Those are not the people that we want to be vaccinating, as they are unlikely to tolerate that."

For someone severely frail and dehydrated, even a short bout of diarrhea can be dangerous to their health, she said.

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F Me In The Brain said:

Scary, GG!
My mother could not lift her arm for a day after the first shot ..she was much better the second day and fine the third.
Hoping your sister sees something like that.