Donald Trump

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

Senate passes 55-45 a resolution that the trial is Constitutional.  That does not bode well for a conviction.  The question is whether Trump is more damaged by being impeached and never tried or if he is rehabilitated by acquittal. It may not make sense to try him now. 

constitutionality should be decided by legal experts, not elected officials. just my opinion. 

Well each branch of gov't is equal, but what would happen is if he was actually convicted, it would probably be appealed to the SCOTUS.  Now they might say that the House and Senate determined it to be constitutional by the act of having the trial.  Or they could take the case.  It would be fascinating honestly. 

not sure its appealable though. they could file suit about its constitutionality but it doesnt explicitly prohibit  impeachment after out of office and theres precedent of that very thing.

i mean, sure, history won't look on them kindly, but how many of these people actually give a fuck about their legacy? All they care about is power right now. if they cared about their legacy, they wouldn't have backed trump from the beginning. 

mickeyrat said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

Senate passes 55-45 a resolution that the trial is Constitutional.  That does not bode well for a conviction.  The question is whether Trump is more damaged by being impeached and never tried or if he is rehabilitated by acquittal. It may not make sense to try him now. 

constitutionality should be decided by legal experts, not elected officials. just my opinion. 

Well each branch of gov't is equal, but what would happen is if he was actually convicted, it would probably be appealed to the SCOTUS.  Now they might say that the House and Senate determined it to be constitutional by the act of having the trial.  Or they could take the case.  It would be fascinating honestly. 

not sure its appealable though. they could file suit about its constitutionality but it doesnt explicitly prohibit  impeachment after out of office and theres precedent of that very thing.

I thought that only one official was impeached out of office but was not actually convicted.  The fact that it bars one from future federal office is a good argument why it is still constitutional though.  I'm not sure it's cut and dry but there's definitely good arguments supporting it, and the Constitution does not state either way.  Further, if you read some parts of the Federalist, it seems to me that the framers actually expected impeachment to be used far more often than it has been used.  

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

mrussel1 said:

Senate passes 55-45 a resolution that the trial is Constitutional.  That does not bode well for a conviction.  The question is whether Trump is more damaged by being impeached and never tried or if he is rehabilitated by acquittal. It may not make sense to try him now. 

Wouldn't they be setting a worse precedent by not trying him?

I say get every Republican on record as being for or against our democracy. 

you know, I keep seeing this said by a few people. having republicans on record doing or saying shitty things these days only seems to help them. 

& not trying to hold trump & the others behind what happened on 1/6 accountable only helps them too.

Democrats are damned if they do & damned if they don't. So fuck it? Don't even try? 

Fuck that. Try the piece of shit. If Republicans vote not to convict that's on them. Don't let the guy of the hook because his cronies are corrupt too. 

I'm quite certain the Founding Fathers didn't envision an executive branch free from oversight or accountability. 

I am 100% behind the trial moving forward. All I'm saying is to that one point, that making sure their vote is on record will literally do zero to hurt their chances next election. and in many cases, will likely help their chances. 

If impeachment stood that much of a chance to help the GOP, I highly doubt they would be so firmly against it.

They don't want to vote on record (again) for or against him. They want this to go away. 

they are firmly against it because many of them have seen what trump has done to elevate their own brand. It positions them better in the future if he's allowed to continue down the path of the possibility of him holding office again. it doesn't matter if he doesn't run in 4 years. it matters if he's able to, to keep the movement alive. 

So make them vote for trump, or vote to uphold their oath of office. They can't vote for both. Put them on the spot and make them say it. 

If they vote to acquit & the dregs of our society appreciate them more for that, then so be it.

It's a risk worth taking. 

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

mrussel1 said:

Senate passes 55-45 a resolution that the trial is Constitutional.  That does not bode well for a conviction.  The question is whether Trump is more damaged by being impeached and never tried or if he is rehabilitated by acquittal. It may not make sense to try him now. 

Wouldn't they be setting a worse precedent by not trying him?

I say get every Republican on record as being for or against our democracy. 

you know, I keep seeing this said by a few people. having republicans on record doing or saying shitty things these days only seems to help them. 

& not trying to hold trump & the others behind what happened on 1/6 accountable only helps them too.

Democrats are damned if they do & damned if they don't. So fuck it? Don't even try? 

Fuck that. Try the piece of shit. If Republicans vote not to convict that's on them. Don't let the guy of the hook because his cronies are corrupt too. 

I'm quite certain the Founding Fathers didn't envision an executive branch free from oversight or accountability. 

I am 100% behind the trial moving forward. All I'm saying is to that one point, that making sure their vote is on record will literally do zero to hurt their chances next election. and in many cases, will likely help their chances. 

If impeachment stood that much of a chance to help the GOP, I highly doubt they would be so firmly against it.

They don't want to vote on record (again) for or against him. They want this to go away. 

they are firmly against it because many of them have seen what trump has done to elevate their own brand. It positions them better in the future if he's allowed to continue down the path of the possibility of him holding office again. it doesn't matter if he doesn't run in 4 years. it matters if he's able to, to keep the movement alive. 

So make them vote for trump, or vote to uphold their oath of office. They can't vote for both. Put them on the spot and make them say it. 

If they vote to acquit & the dregs of our society appreciate them more for that, then so be it.

It's a risk worth taking. 

On one hand they've already had a lot of chances to either side with Trump or side with good/sane/America/democracy. One more time picking Trump probably won't hurt them.

On the other hand, he'll probably be acquitted on party lines. And I think most people will understand it was a partisan vote. So I don't think it will really validate him.  So I see it as low risk with a 95% chance at no reward and a 5% chance at huge reward.  Go for it. A president tried to incite takeover of the government. In the long run, it probably doesn't make a huge difference, but don't be the party that just shrugs its shoulders. Be the party that says this cannot just be swept away.

JeBurkhardt said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

mrussel1 said:

Senate passes 55-45 a resolution that the trial is Constitutional.  That does not bode well for a conviction.  The question is whether Trump is more damaged by being impeached and never tried or if he is rehabilitated by acquittal. It may not make sense to try him now. 

Wouldn't they be setting a worse precedent by not trying him?

I say get every Republican on record as being for or against our democracy. 

you know, I keep seeing this said by a few people. having republicans on record doing or saying shitty things these days only seems to help them. 

& not trying to hold trump & the others behind what happened on 1/6 accountable only helps them too.

Democrats are damned if they do & damned if they don't. So fuck it? Don't even try? 

Fuck that. Try the piece of shit. If Republicans vote not to convict that's on them. Don't let the guy of the hook because his cronies are corrupt too. 

I'm quite certain the Founding Fathers didn't envision an executive branch free from oversight or accountability. 

I am 100% behind the trial moving forward. All I'm saying is to that one point, that making sure their vote is on record will literally do zero to hurt their chances next election. and in many cases, will likely help their chances. 

If impeachment stood that much of a chance to help the GOP, I highly doubt they would be so firmly against it.

They don't want to vote on record (again) for or against him. They want this to go away. 

they are firmly against it because many of them have seen what trump has done to elevate their own brand. It positions them better in the future if he's allowed to continue down the path of the possibility of him holding office again. it doesn't matter if he doesn't run in 4 years. it matters if he's able to, to keep the movement alive. 

Every Republican in Congress right now knows not siding with Trump will cause the howling mob to turn on them. Some have already seen it happen to them. Ask Mike Pence how he enjoyed the response when he refused to illegally interfere in the election certification. They are more concerned with that than doing what is right. My guess is that the more mainstream Republicans think they can control the Trump lunatics, but we have seen how that worked out. 

Beholden to a "movement" that saw Trump become the first president since Hoover to lose the house, senate and presidency in one term. Unreal. 

Political weaklings. 

The Juggler said:

JeBurkhardt said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

mrussel1 said:

Senate passes 55-45 a resolution that the trial is Constitutional.  That does not bode well for a conviction.  The question is whether Trump is more damaged by being impeached and never tried or if he is rehabilitated by acquittal. It may not make sense to try him now. 

Wouldn't they be setting a worse precedent by not trying him?

I say get every Republican on record as being for or against our democracy. 

you know, I keep seeing this said by a few people. having republicans on record doing or saying shitty things these days only seems to help them. 

& not trying to hold trump & the others behind what happened on 1/6 accountable only helps them too.

Democrats are damned if they do & damned if they don't. So fuck it? Don't even try? 

Fuck that. Try the piece of shit. If Republicans vote not to convict that's on them. Don't let the guy of the hook because his cronies are corrupt too. 

I'm quite certain the Founding Fathers didn't envision an executive branch free from oversight or accountability. 

I am 100% behind the trial moving forward. All I'm saying is to that one point, that making sure their vote is on record will literally do zero to hurt their chances next election. and in many cases, will likely help their chances. 

If impeachment stood that much of a chance to help the GOP, I highly doubt they would be so firmly against it.

They don't want to vote on record (again) for or against him. They want this to go away. 

they are firmly against it because many of them have seen what trump has done to elevate their own brand. It positions them better in the future if he's allowed to continue down the path of the possibility of him holding office again. it doesn't matter if he doesn't run in 4 years. it matters if he's able to, to keep the movement alive. 

Every Republican in Congress right now knows not siding with Trump will cause the howling mob to turn on them. Some have already seen it happen to them. Ask Mike Pence how he enjoyed the response when he refused to illegally interfere in the election certification. They are more concerned with that than doing what is right. My guess is that the more mainstream Republicans think they can control the Trump lunatics, but we have seen how that worked out. 

Beholden to a "movement" that saw Trump become the first president since Hoover to lose the house, senate and presidency in one term. Unreal. 

Political weaklings. 

he also increased the number of people that voted for him in that term by 10 million. that ain't nothin. this could easily swing back in 2024. or even 2022. liberals were emboldened this time around. only time will tell how "urgent" they feel next election. 

The Juggler said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

JeBurkhardt said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

mrussel1 said:

Senate passes 55-45 a resolution that the trial is Constitutional.  That does not bode well for a conviction.  The question is whether Trump is more damaged by being impeached and never tried or if he is rehabilitated by acquittal. It may not make sense to try him now. 

Wouldn't they be setting a worse precedent by not trying him?

I say get every Republican on record as being for or against our democracy. 

you know, I keep seeing this said by a few people. having republicans on record doing or saying shitty things these days only seems to help them. 

& not trying to hold trump & the others behind what happened on 1/6 accountable only helps them too.

Democrats are damned if they do & damned if they don't. So fuck it? Don't even try? 

Fuck that. Try the piece of shit. If Republicans vote not to convict that's on them. Don't let the guy of the hook because his cronies are corrupt too. 

I'm quite certain the Founding Fathers didn't envision an executive branch free from oversight or accountability. 

I am 100% behind the trial moving forward. All I'm saying is to that one point, that making sure their vote is on record will literally do zero to hurt their chances next election. and in many cases, will likely help their chances. 

If impeachment stood that much of a chance to help the GOP, I highly doubt they would be so firmly against it.

They don't want to vote on record (again) for or against him. They want this to go away. 

they are firmly against it because many of them have seen what trump has done to elevate their own brand. It positions them better in the future if he's allowed to continue down the path of the possibility of him holding office again. it doesn't matter if he doesn't run in 4 years. it matters if he's able to, to keep the movement alive. 

Every Republican in Congress right now knows not siding with Trump will cause the howling mob to turn on them. Some have already seen it happen to them. Ask Mike Pence how he enjoyed the response when he refused to illegally interfere in the election certification. They are more concerned with that than doing what is right. My guess is that the more mainstream Republicans think they can control the Trump lunatics, but we have seen how that worked out. 

Beholden to a "movement" that saw Trump become the first president since Hoover to lose the house, senate and presidency in one term. Unreal. 

Political weaklings. 

he also increased the number of people that voted for him in that term by 10 million. that ain't nothin. this could easily swing back in 2024. or even 2022. liberals were emboldened this time around. only time will tell how "urgent" they feel next election. 

Yeah, and Biden increased HIllary's by 15 million. lol

Only 25% of Americans identify as Republicans nowadays too. 

i'm aware of that (remember she was the "worst candidate in history"?), but depending how biden does, and who the nominee is in 2024, it could be a very different story. liberals have been fucking angry for 4 plus years. to me that's the most important part. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

JeBurkhardt said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

mrussel1 said:

Senate passes 55-45 a resolution that the trial is Constitutional.  That does not bode well for a conviction.  The question is whether Trump is more damaged by being impeached and never tried or if he is rehabilitated by acquittal. It may not make sense to try him now. 

Wouldn't they be setting a worse precedent by not trying him?

I say get every Republican on record as being for or against our democracy. 

you know, I keep seeing this said by a few people. having republicans on record doing or saying shitty things these days only seems to help them. 

& not trying to hold trump & the others behind what happened on 1/6 accountable only helps them too.

Democrats are damned if they do & damned if they don't. So fuck it? Don't even try? 

Fuck that. Try the piece of shit. If Republicans vote not to convict that's on them. Don't let the guy of the hook because his cronies are corrupt too. 

I'm quite certain the Founding Fathers didn't envision an executive branch free from oversight or accountability. 

I am 100% behind the trial moving forward. All I'm saying is to that one point, that making sure their vote is on record will literally do zero to hurt their chances next election. and in many cases, will likely help their chances. 

If impeachment stood that much of a chance to help the GOP, I highly doubt they would be so firmly against it.

They don't want to vote on record (again) for or against him. They want this to go away. 

they are firmly against it because many of them have seen what trump has done to elevate their own brand. It positions them better in the future if he's allowed to continue down the path of the possibility of him holding office again. it doesn't matter if he doesn't run in 4 years. it matters if he's able to, to keep the movement alive. 

Every Republican in Congress right now knows not siding with Trump will cause the howling mob to turn on them. Some have already seen it happen to them. Ask Mike Pence how he enjoyed the response when he refused to illegally interfere in the election certification. They are more concerned with that than doing what is right. My guess is that the more mainstream Republicans think they can control the Trump lunatics, but we have seen how that worked out. 

Beholden to a "movement" that saw Trump become the first president since Hoover to lose the house, senate and presidency in one term. Unreal. 

Political weaklings. 

he also increased the number of people that voted for him in that term by 10 million. that ain't nothin. this could easily swing back in 2024. or even 2022. liberals were emboldened this time around. only time will tell how "urgent" they feel next election. 

Yeah, and Biden increased HIllary's by 15 million. lol

Only 25% of Americans identify as Republicans nowadays too. 

i'm aware of that (remember she was the "worst candidate in history"?), but depending how biden does, and who the nominee is in 2024, it could be a very different story. liberals have been fucking angry for 4 plus years. to me that's the most important part. 

Even when running against a horrible candidate 4 years ago, he lost the pop vote by almost 3 million. I don't see the dems nominating someone as bad as Hillary. 

I think the republican party is in for a rude awakening if they continue down the maga path...

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

i mean, sure, history won't look on them kindly, but how many of these people actually give a fuck about their legacy? All they care about is power right now. if they cared about their legacy, they wouldn't have backed trump from the beginning. 

If they win long term history will look at them like shining star super freedom fighters. And that’s what they want and ultimate believe of themselves and their party

i don't think so. I think it will be recognized as a dark time in US history, and those who supported him will be as well. especially the more prominent ones.