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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 23,798

    Way


    He looks like he has one hip in the grave in that picture. 
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 21,133
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Sheldon Adelson dead...

    Fucking Soros.
    This gave me a good laugh. 
    Today sucks Mick.  But Sunday was great.  Let's keep it going against the Chiefs. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 21,133
    This is really interesting.  If you can't see through the paywall, I can post it.  But if it's true that a simply majority could stop him from running and a 2/3 would be needed to overturn it in the future, then I like this plan.  I would say impeach, hold the articles from teh senate and pass this bill on Trump, signed by Biden.  

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/11/impeachment-wont-keep-trump-running-again-heres-better-way/
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 20,848
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Sheldon Adelson dead...

    Fucking Soros.
    This gave me a good laugh. 
    Today sucks Mick.  But Sunday was great.  Let's keep it going against the Chiefs. 

    no no no. sunday AND monday sucked.

    STILL waiting on the steelers to show up for the game. the only joy I take is no browns fans were there to see it in person!!!!! thanks covid!!!
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    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 21,133
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Sheldon Adelson dead...

    Fucking Soros.
    This gave me a good laugh. 
    Today sucks Mick.  But Sunday was great.  Let's keep it going against the Chiefs. 

    no no no. sunday AND monday sucked.

    STILL waiting on the steelers to show up for the game. the only joy I take is no browns fans were there to see it in person!!!!! thanks covid!!!
    Damn dude, I figured you were a Browns fan.  What are you from Youngstown or something?  Mahoning county?
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 20,848
    edited January 12
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Sheldon Adelson dead...

    Fucking Soros.
    This gave me a good laugh. 
    Today sucks Mick.  But Sunday was great.  Let's keep it going against the Chiefs. 

    no no no. sunday AND monday sucked.

    STILL waiting on the steelers to show up for the game. the only joy I take is no browns fans were there to see it in person!!!!! thanks covid!!!
    Damn dude, I figured you were a Browns fan.  What are you from Youngstown or something?  Mahoning county?

    Columbus, life long. Steelers fan since the second superb owl with them against my older brothers fave the cowgirls.... had to cheer against. it stuck. AND with the exception of one bantam league baseball team and my hs soccer team,  EVERY team I was a part of baseball, football and  soccer was black and gold.


    have long joked, if you want to cheer for a winning nfl team look outside of Ohio.....

    Post edited by mickeyrat on
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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 21,133
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Sheldon Adelson dead...

    Fucking Soros.
    This gave me a good laugh. 
    Today sucks Mick.  But Sunday was great.  Let's keep it going against the Chiefs. 

    no no no. sunday AND monday sucked.

    STILL waiting on the steelers to show up for the game. the only joy I take is no browns fans were there to see it in person!!!!! thanks covid!!!
    Damn dude, I figured you were a Browns fan.  What are you from Youngstown or something?  Mahoning county?

    Columbus, life long. Steelers fan since the second superb owl with them against my older brothers fave the cowgirls.... had to cheer against. it stuck. AND with the exception of one bantam league baseball team and my hs soccer team,  EVERY team I was a part of baseball, football and  soccer was black and gold.


    have long joked, if you want to cheer for a winning nfl team look outside of Ohio.....

    black and gold should be banned in Ohio as a color combo. It's what Jesus would want. 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,911
    edited January 12

    Way


    He looks like he has one hip in the grave in that picture. 
    double post
    Post edited by HughFreakingDillon on
    (Track 10 of The Headstones' Nickels For Your Nightmares)


  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 20,848
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Sheldon Adelson dead...

    Fucking Soros.
    This gave me a good laugh. 
    Today sucks Mick.  But Sunday was great.  Let's keep it going against the Chiefs. 

    no no no. sunday AND monday sucked.

    STILL waiting on the steelers to show up for the game. the only joy I take is no browns fans were there to see it in person!!!!! thanks covid!!!
    Damn dude, I figured you were a Browns fan.  What are you from Youngstown or something?  Mahoning county?

    Columbus, life long. Steelers fan since the second superb owl with them against my older brothers fave the cowgirls.... had to cheer against. it stuck. AND with the exception of one bantam league baseball team and my hs soccer team,  EVERY team I was a part of baseball, football and  soccer was black and gold.


    have long joked, if you want to cheer for a winning nfl team look outside of Ohio.....

    black and gold should be banned in Ohio as a color combo. It's what Jesus would want. 

    tell that to the 2020 mls champs......part owned by the brown and orange team.....
    _____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________

    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,911

    Way


    He looks like he has one hip in the grave in that picture. 
    kind of reminds me of this:


    (Track 10 of The Headstones' Nickels For Your Nightmares)


  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,588
    Oh boy. From the New Yorker.

    A Proud Boy Speaks 
    A Palm Beach Proud Boy at the Putsch
    Bobby Pickles, a purveyor of far-right T-shirts, joined the horde of balding dudes in dad jeans at the Capitol, because Donald Trump, he says, is “like punk rock.”
    By Jane Mayer 

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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South PhillyPosts: 13,369
    I wonder if Belichick would’ve accepted that medal three weeks ago; pre-capitol riot, but post-Trump disputing the election results. Hard to speculate. He would’ve definitely accepted it pre-election though. Not a doubt in my mind. Still, better to get off the Trump-train late than to ever get off it at all. So good move by him to decline this. 
    He absolutely would have. He wrote Trump letters for christsakes.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 21,133
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Sheldon Adelson dead...

    Fucking Soros.
    This gave me a good laugh. 
    Today sucks Mick.  But Sunday was great.  Let's keep it going against the Chiefs. 

    no no no. sunday AND monday sucked.

    STILL waiting on the steelers to show up for the game. the only joy I take is no browns fans were there to see it in person!!!!! thanks covid!!!
    Damn dude, I figured you were a Browns fan.  What are you from Youngstown or something?  Mahoning county?

    Columbus, life long. Steelers fan since the second superb owl with them against my older brothers fave the cowgirls.... had to cheer against. it stuck. AND with the exception of one bantam league baseball team and my hs soccer team,  EVERY team I was a part of baseball, football and  soccer was black and gold.


    have long joked, if you want to cheer for a winning nfl team look outside of Ohio.....

    black and gold should be banned in Ohio as a color combo. It's what Jesus would want. 

    tell that to the 2020 mls champs......part owned by the brown and orange team.....
    I'm writing a sternly worded letter as we speak. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 20,848
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Sheldon Adelson dead...

    Fucking Soros.
    This gave me a good laugh. 
    Today sucks Mick.  But Sunday was great.  Let's keep it going against the Chiefs. 

    no no no. sunday AND monday sucked.

    STILL waiting on the steelers to show up for the game. the only joy I take is no browns fans were there to see it in person!!!!! thanks covid!!!
    Damn dude, I figured you were a Browns fan.  What are you from Youngstown or something?  Mahoning county?

    Columbus, life long. Steelers fan since the second superb owl with them against my older brothers fave the cowgirls.... had to cheer against. it stuck. AND with the exception of one bantam league baseball team and my hs soccer team,  EVERY team I was a part of baseball, football and  soccer was black and gold.


    have long joked, if you want to cheer for a winning nfl team look outside of Ohio.....

    black and gold should be banned in Ohio as a color combo. It's what Jesus would want. 

    tell that to the 2020 mls champs......part owned by the brown and orange team.....
    I'm writing a sternly worded letter as we speak. 

    been watching the new stadium go up. final piece of steel was placed the other day. shame it will be a midseason opening for it but such is life.
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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,588
    "Gutted."

    Trump is also under pressure, the pressure of impeachment, of course, and the loss of his social media platforms. He is also under financial pressure, as Deutsche Bank, the only bank that would still lend to him, has announced it will no longer do business with him. But, according to Maggie Haberman at the New York Times, what is upsetting him most is that the PGA has pulled its 2022 golf championship from Trump’s Bedminster, New Jersey, golf club.

    That, not the riots, not the deaths, not impeachment, and certainly not the coronavirus--which has now killed more than 375,000 of us—has “gutted” him.  

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 21,133
    edited January 12
    "Gutted."

    Trump is also under pressure, the pressure of impeachment, of course, and the loss of his social media platforms. He is also under financial pressure, as Deutsche Bank, the only bank that would still lend to him, has announced it will no longer do business with him. But, according to Maggie Haberman at the New York Times, what is upsetting him most is that the PGA has pulled its 2022 golf championship from Trump’s Bedminster, New Jersey, golf club.

    That, not the riots, not the deaths, not impeachment, and certainly not the coronavirus--which has now killed more than 375,000 of us—has “gutted” him.  

    Yep, it's all coming home to roost now.  Talk of him starting his own media platform is total fantasy.  He doesn't have the capital and now he doesn't have access to capital.  Second, the two mobile apps won't host him (apple and google)  He won't have access to traditional media to own and operate either for the same reasons and even friendly outfits like Sinclair aren't going to hand over their business to him.  They'll give him a show, but that's it.  But then you have FCC regulations on decency, overseen by Biden, that will take out the sting.

    Last, you can see on Breitbart that people are up in arms because they are moderating and approving comments.  That tells me they are taking the web hosting risk very seriously.  Profit over principles every time. 
  • MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 10,884
    can everyone wait until he doesnt have the nuclear codes any longer?
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 26,546
    mrussel1 said:
    "Gutted."

    Trump is also under pressure, the pressure of impeachment, of course, and the loss of his social media platforms. He is also under financial pressure, as Deutsche Bank, the only bank that would still lend to him, has announced it will no longer do business with him. But, according to Maggie Haberman at the New York Times, what is upsetting him most is that the PGA has pulled its 2022 golf championship from Trump’s Bedminster, New Jersey, golf club.

    That, not the riots, not the deaths, not impeachment, and certainly not the coronavirus--which has now killed more than 375,000 of us—has “gutted” him.  

    Yep, it's all coming home to roost now.  Talk of him starting his own media platform is total fantasy.  He doesn't have the capital and now he doesn't have access to capital.  Second, the two mobile apps won't host him (apple and google)  He won't have access to traditional media to own and operate either for the same reasons and even friendly outfits like Sinclair aren't going to hand over their business to him.  They'll give him a show, but that's it.  But then you have FCC regulations on decency, overseen by Biden, that will take out the sting.

    Last, you can see on Breitbart that people are up in arms because they are moderating and approving comments.  That tells me they are taking the web hosting risk very seriously.  Profit over principles every time. 
    Taibbi wrote a piece on profits and principles.

    Give it a read.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/we-need-new-media-system-taibbi
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 20,848
    MayDay10 said:
    can everyone wait until he doesnt have the nuclear codes any longer?

    those orders pass through the chain. doubt the chain remains intact much beyond fuckstick trying to give the order.
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 8,693
    edited January 12
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Sheldon Adelson dead...

    Fucking Soros.
    As a Soros agent I can tell you unequivocally that we were all in the basement of Comet Pizza planning the next Antifa insurrection and  nowhere near Las Vegas.
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 5,504
    I'm more concerned w/ someone like Iran attacking us in the next week than I am w/ Trump & the nukes. 

    Have we ever been as vulnerable as we are now? 

  • RunIntoTheRainRunIntoTheRain TexasPosts: 861
    mrussel1 said:
    This is really interesting.  If you can't see through the paywall, I can post it.  But if it's true that a simply majority could stop him from running and a 2/3 would be needed to overturn it in the future, then I like this plan.  I would say impeach, hold the articles from teh senate and pass this bill on Trump, signed by Biden.  

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/11/impeachment-wont-keep-trump-running-again-heres-better-way/

    Paywall. Can you post the article please Matt. Thank you.
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 5,504
    “I want no violence” said the president who sent a lynch mob after his vice president last week. 


  • ikiTikiT USAPosts: 9,719

    10 years in the 10club... 2010-2020 
  • ikiTikiT USAPosts: 9,719
    mrussel1 said:
    Belichik refuses award from Trump
    GOOD

    10 years in the 10club... 2010-2020 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 21,133
    mrussel1 said:
    This is really interesting.  If you can't see through the paywall, I can post it.  But if it's true that a simply majority could stop him from running and a 2/3 would be needed to overturn it in the future, then I like this plan.  I would say impeach, hold the articles from teh senate and pass this bill on Trump, signed by Biden.  

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/11/impeachment-wont-keep-trump-running-again-heres-better-way/

    Paywall. Can you post the article please Matt. Thank you.

    Bruce Ackerman is Sterling professor of law and political science at Yale Law School and author of a multivolume series, We the People, dealing with the dynamics of American constitutional development over the past two centuries. Gerard Magliocca is the Samuel R. Rosen professor at Indiana University’s law school in Indianapolis and the author of a forthcoming article dealing with the amnesty provisions of the 14th Amendment.

    House Democrats’ plans to rush through an impeachment of President Trump won’t work, for a simple reason: The Constitution envisions impeachment only as a tool for proceeding against a president while he remains in office. Impeachment is meant to protect the country, not punish the offender. But that needn’t be the end of efforts to prevent Trump from again holding federal office. There is another, little-known constitutional provision that can achieve precisely that without distorting the Constitution’s meaning.

    Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, passed in the aftermath of the Civil War, bars Trump from holding another federal office if he is found to have “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against” the Constitution of the United States.


    The finding could be accomplished by a simple majority vote of both houses, in contrast to the requirement in impeachment proceedings that the Senate vote to convict by a two-thirds majority. Congress would simply need to declare that Trump engaged in an act of “insurrection or rebellion” by encouraging the attack on the Capitol. Under the 14th Amendment, Trump could run for the White House again only if he were able to persuade a future Congress to, “by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.”

    Section 3 was enacted to bar any “civil or military” officer who had served the United States before the Civil War from regaining a position of authority if he betrayed his country by supporting the Confederacy. During the height of Reconstruction, a number of former Confederates were, in fact, barred from holding office. It was only in 1872 that Congress once again allowed these men to serve the United States by passing an Amnesty Act with the requisite two-thirds majorities.

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) seems to believe that the only way to disqualify Trump from running for a second term is to gain House support for a second impeachment while he is still in office, even though the Senate trial can’t begin until Jan. 20 or 21. Since impeachment is designed to remove officials from office, the constitutionality of such a trial is problematic. But even if it were legitimate, the trial would come with heavy costs to the country and to the incoming Biden administration.


    First, the trial could well lead to Trump’s acquittal if most Republican senators decide that a vote to convict would damage their reelection chances by alienating their right-wing base. What message would that send? Second, having the Senate’s time consumed in holding a trial would delay President-elect Joe Biden’s efforts to secure confirmation of his Cabinet and other nominees and divert attention from other initiatives of the new administration. Third, it would further divide the country at precisely the time Biden is seeking to bring America together.

    Of course, this being a litigious country, Trump could appeal to the courts to declare that Congress’s determination that he had engaged in an “insurrection or rebellion” was not justified by the facts. But this would be risky, since Trump would be required to testify under oath in response to detailed questioning by the government’s lawyers about his precise conduct during the attack.

    Moreover, if the judiciary finally upheld the congressional determination, its judgment would undermine claims by the extreme right that Trump is a victim of a partisan vendetta.


    Even more fundamentally, the law is the law. Not only is it in the political interest of the protagonists to heed the express instructions of the 14th Amendment; it is even more important to demonstrate to all Americans that their representatives in Washington take the Constitution seriously.

    Now is the time to take a step back, call a halt to the House’s rush toward a last-minute impeachment — and deploy the constitutional means to the important end of making sure Trump is out of office for good.

  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 26,546
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    This is really interesting.  If you can't see through the paywall, I can post it.  But if it's true that a simply majority could stop him from running and a 2/3 would be needed to overturn it in the future, then I like this plan.  I would say impeach, hold the articles from teh senate and pass this bill on Trump, signed by Biden.  

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/11/impeachment-wont-keep-trump-running-again-heres-better-way/

    Paywall. Can you post the article please Matt. Thank you.

    Bruce Ackerman is Sterling professor of law and political science at Yale Law School and author of a multivolume series, We the People, dealing with the dynamics of American constitutional development over the past two centuries. Gerard Magliocca is the Samuel R. Rosen professor at Indiana University’s law school in Indianapolis and the author of a forthcoming article dealing with the amnesty provisions of the 14th Amendment.

    House Democrats’ plans to rush through an impeachment of President Trump won’t work, for a simple reason: The Constitution envisions impeachment only as a tool for proceeding against a president while he remains in office. Impeachment is meant to protect the country, not punish the offender. But that needn’t be the end of efforts to prevent Trump from again holding federal office. There is another, little-known constitutional provision that can achieve precisely that without distorting the Constitution’s meaning.

    Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, passed in the aftermath of the Civil War, bars Trump from holding another federal office if he is found to have “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against” the Constitution of the United States.


    The finding could be accomplished by a simple majority vote of both houses, in contrast to the requirement in impeachment proceedings that the Senate vote to convict by a two-thirds majority. Congress would simply need to declare that Trump engaged in an act of “insurrection or rebellion” by encouraging the attack on the Capitol. Under the 14th Amendment, Trump could run for the White House again only if he were able to persuade a future Congress to, “by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.”

    Section 3 was enacted to bar any “civil or military” officer who had served the United States before the Civil War from regaining a position of authority if he betrayed his country by supporting the Confederacy. During the height of Reconstruction, a number of former Confederates were, in fact, barred from holding office. It was only in 1872 that Congress once again allowed these men to serve the United States by passing an Amnesty Act with the requisite two-thirds majorities.

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) seems to believe that the only way to disqualify Trump from running for a second term is to gain House support for a second impeachment while he is still in office, even though the Senate trial can’t begin until Jan. 20 or 21. Since impeachment is designed to remove officials from office, the constitutionality of such a trial is problematic. But even if it were legitimate, the trial would come with heavy costs to the country and to the incoming Biden administration.


    First, the trial could well lead to Trump’s acquittal if most Republican senators decide that a vote to convict would damage their reelection chances by alienating their right-wing base. What message would that send? Second, having the Senate’s time consumed in holding a trial would delay President-elect Joe Biden’s efforts to secure confirmation of his Cabinet and other nominees and divert attention from other initiatives of the new administration. Third, it would further divide the country at precisely the time Biden is seeking to bring America together.

    Of course, this being a litigious country, Trump could appeal to the courts to declare that Congress’s determination that he had engaged in an “insurrection or rebellion” was not justified by the facts. But this would be risky, since Trump would be required to testify under oath in response to detailed questioning by the government’s lawyers about his precise conduct during the attack.

    Moreover, if the judiciary finally upheld the congressional determination, its judgment would undermine claims by the extreme right that Trump is a victim of a partisan vendetta.


    Even more fundamentally, the law is the law. Not only is it in the political interest of the protagonists to heed the express instructions of the 14th Amendment; it is even more important to demonstrate to all Americans that their representatives in Washington take the Constitution seriously.

    Now is the time to take a step back, call a halt to the House’s rush toward a last-minute impeachment — and deploy the constitutional means to the important end of making sure Trump is out of office for good.

    I agree with not impeaching.  It seems silly to try that now.  14A seems like the way to go.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,911
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    This is really interesting.  If you can't see through the paywall, I can post it.  But if it's true that a simply majority could stop him from running and a 2/3 would be needed to overturn it in the future, then I like this plan.  I would say impeach, hold the articles from teh senate and pass this bill on Trump, signed by Biden.  

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/11/impeachment-wont-keep-trump-running-again-heres-better-way/

    Paywall. Can you post the article please Matt. Thank you.

    Bruce Ackerman is Sterling professor of law and political science at Yale Law School and author of a multivolume series, We the People, dealing with the dynamics of American constitutional development over the past two centuries. Gerard Magliocca is the Samuel R. Rosen professor at Indiana University’s law school in Indianapolis and the author of a forthcoming article dealing with the amnesty provisions of the 14th Amendment.

    House Democrats’ plans to rush through an impeachment of President Trump won’t work, for a simple reason: The Constitution envisions impeachment only as a tool for proceeding against a president while he remains in office. Impeachment is meant to protect the country, not punish the offender. But that needn’t be the end of efforts to prevent Trump from again holding federal office. There is another, little-known constitutional provision that can achieve precisely that without distorting the Constitution’s meaning.

    Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, passed in the aftermath of the Civil War, bars Trump from holding another federal office if he is found to have “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against” the Constitution of the United States.


    The finding could be accomplished by a simple majority vote of both houses, in contrast to the requirement in impeachment proceedings that the Senate vote to convict by a two-thirds majority. Congress would simply need to declare that Trump engaged in an act of “insurrection or rebellion” by encouraging the attack on the Capitol. Under the 14th Amendment, Trump could run for the White House again only if he were able to persuade a future Congress to, “by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.”

    Section 3 was enacted to bar any “civil or military” officer who had served the United States before the Civil War from regaining a position of authority if he betrayed his country by supporting the Confederacy. During the height of Reconstruction, a number of former Confederates were, in fact, barred from holding office. It was only in 1872 that Congress once again allowed these men to serve the United States by passing an Amnesty Act with the requisite two-thirds majorities.

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) seems to believe that the only way to disqualify Trump from running for a second term is to gain House support for a second impeachment while he is still in office, even though the Senate trial can’t begin until Jan. 20 or 21. Since impeachment is designed to remove officials from office, the constitutionality of such a trial is problematic. But even if it were legitimate, the trial would come with heavy costs to the country and to the incoming Biden administration.


    First, the trial could well lead to Trump’s acquittal if most Republican senators decide that a vote to convict would damage their reelection chances by alienating their right-wing base. What message would that send? Second, having the Senate’s time consumed in holding a trial would delay President-elect Joe Biden’s efforts to secure confirmation of his Cabinet and other nominees and divert attention from other initiatives of the new administration. Third, it would further divide the country at precisely the time Biden is seeking to bring America together.

    Of course, this being a litigious country, Trump could appeal to the courts to declare that Congress’s determination that he had engaged in an “insurrection or rebellion” was not justified by the facts. But this would be risky, since Trump would be required to testify under oath in response to detailed questioning by the government’s lawyers about his precise conduct during the attack.

    Moreover, if the judiciary finally upheld the congressional determination, its judgment would undermine claims by the extreme right that Trump is a victim of a partisan vendetta.


    Even more fundamentally, the law is the law. Not only is it in the political interest of the protagonists to heed the express instructions of the 14th Amendment; it is even more important to demonstrate to all Americans that their representatives in Washington take the Constitution seriously.

    Now is the time to take a step back, call a halt to the House’s rush toward a last-minute impeachment — and deploy the constitutional means to the important end of making sure Trump is out of office for good.

    I agree with not impeaching.  It seems silly to try that now.  14A seems like the way to go.
    i was all for impeaching prior to knowing about 14 sec 3. i agree that's the way to go. but pelosi and schumer would obviously know the options available to them, constitutionally speaking, so is there something else to it?
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 21,133
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    This is really interesting.  If you can't see through the paywall, I can post it.  But if it's true that a simply majority could stop him from running and a 2/3 would be needed to overturn it in the future, then I like this plan.  I would say impeach, hold the articles from teh senate and pass this bill on Trump, signed by Biden.  

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/11/impeachment-wont-keep-trump-running-again-heres-better-way/

    Paywall. Can you post the article please Matt. Thank you.

    Bruce Ackerman is Sterling professor of law and political science at Yale Law School and author of a multivolume series, We the People, dealing with the dynamics of American constitutional development over the past two centuries. Gerard Magliocca is the Samuel R. Rosen professor at Indiana University’s law school in Indianapolis and the author of a forthcoming article dealing with the amnesty provisions of the 14th Amendment.

    House Democrats’ plans to rush through an impeachment of President Trump won’t work, for a simple reason: The Constitution envisions impeachment only as a tool for proceeding against a president while he remains in office. Impeachment is meant to protect the country, not punish the offender. But that needn’t be the end of efforts to prevent Trump from again holding federal office. There is another, little-known constitutional provision that can achieve precisely that without distorting the Constitution’s meaning.

    Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, passed in the aftermath of the Civil War, bars Trump from holding another federal office if he is found to have “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against” the Constitution of the United States.


    The finding could be accomplished by a simple majority vote of both houses, in contrast to the requirement in impeachment proceedings that the Senate vote to convict by a two-thirds majority. Congress would simply need to declare that Trump engaged in an act of “insurrection or rebellion” by encouraging the attack on the Capitol. Under the 14th Amendment, Trump could run for the White House again only if he were able to persuade a future Congress to, “by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.”

    Section 3 was enacted to bar any “civil or military” officer who had served the United States before the Civil War from regaining a position of authority if he betrayed his country by supporting the Confederacy. During the height of Reconstruction, a number of former Confederates were, in fact, barred from holding office. It was only in 1872 that Congress once again allowed these men to serve the United States by passing an Amnesty Act with the requisite two-thirds majorities.

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) seems to believe that the only way to disqualify Trump from running for a second term is to gain House support for a second impeachment while he is still in office, even though the Senate trial can’t begin until Jan. 20 or 21. Since impeachment is designed to remove officials from office, the constitutionality of such a trial is problematic. But even if it were legitimate, the trial would come with heavy costs to the country and to the incoming Biden administration.


    First, the trial could well lead to Trump’s acquittal if most Republican senators decide that a vote to convict would damage their reelection chances by alienating their right-wing base. What message would that send? Second, having the Senate’s time consumed in holding a trial would delay President-elect Joe Biden’s efforts to secure confirmation of his Cabinet and other nominees and divert attention from other initiatives of the new administration. Third, it would further divide the country at precisely the time Biden is seeking to bring America together.

    Of course, this being a litigious country, Trump could appeal to the courts to declare that Congress’s determination that he had engaged in an “insurrection or rebellion” was not justified by the facts. But this would be risky, since Trump would be required to testify under oath in response to detailed questioning by the government’s lawyers about his precise conduct during the attack.

    Moreover, if the judiciary finally upheld the congressional determination, its judgment would undermine claims by the extreme right that Trump is a victim of a partisan vendetta.


    Even more fundamentally, the law is the law. Not only is it in the political interest of the protagonists to heed the express instructions of the 14th Amendment; it is even more important to demonstrate to all Americans that their representatives in Washington take the Constitution seriously.

    Now is the time to take a step back, call a halt to the House’s rush toward a last-minute impeachment — and deploy the constitutional means to the important end of making sure Trump is out of office for good.

    I agree with not impeaching.  It seems silly to try that now.  14A seems like the way to go.
    i was all for impeaching prior to knowing about 14 sec 3. i agree that's the way to go. but pelosi and schumer would obviously know the options available to them, constitutionally speaking, so is there something else to it?
    There may be problems with that law, not sure.  I do think impeachment is still warranted, but maybe not the trial itself.  
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 11,582
    I'm not sure what to believe.  I do trust Pelosi though.  I also like the idea of having the new Senate take impeachment up rather than the current one.
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