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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,330
    mace1229 said:
    i just don't fucking understand this "suspended with pay" bullshit. if I beat up someone at work, fucking hell if I'd be suspended with pay for a fucking year. a year off with pay? PUT UP YOUR DUKES ASSHOLE. 
    Suspended with pay makes sense for an ongoing investigation. But once you're found to be at fault, its just like free vacation. 
    there has to be a better way. i mean, on the other side of it, you don't want someone getting zero income and then being found not guilty. but man, there should be a maximum per diem or something that you can live off in the mean time. and then back pay with interest if reinstated. cuz you should not be getting paid for a full year of vacation if the end result is termination. 
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 5,699
    mace1229 said:
    i just don't fucking understand this "suspended with pay" bullshit. if I beat up someone at work, fucking hell if I'd be suspended with pay for a fucking year. a year off with pay? PUT UP YOUR DUKES ASSHOLE. 
    Suspended with pay makes sense for an ongoing investigation. But once you're found to be at fault, its just like free vacation. 
    there has to be a better way. i mean, on the other side of it, you don't want someone getting zero income and then being found not guilty. but man, there should be a maximum per diem or something that you can live off in the mean time. and then back pay with interest if reinstated. cuz you should not be getting paid for a full year of vacation if the end result is termination. 
    I agree. In this case the suspension with pay wasn't for an investigation, it was the "punishment." At least that is what I assumed, if it does take a year to investigate this and draw a conclusion then that department has bigger issues. 

    In other cases, there should be limits on the suspension with pay. Maybe after 4 weeks if you don't have enough to fire the person, let him get back to work, even if at a desk job or something, until the investigation is complete. I would think after 4 weeks in most cases you have enough to know if he followed proper protocol and should be fired or not, even if you haven't concluded a criminal investigation. The standard for firing someone would be a lot lower than criminal charges. 
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 24,502
    mace1229 said:
    i just don't fucking understand this "suspended with pay" bullshit. if I beat up someone at work, fucking hell if I'd be suspended with pay for a fucking year. a year off with pay? PUT UP YOUR DUKES ASSHOLE. 
    Suspended with pay makes sense for an ongoing investigation. But once you're found to be at fault, its just like free vacation. 
    Not where I work two people fight it doesn’t matter who started they are both shown the door ! 
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 5,699
    mace1229 said:
    i just don't fucking understand this "suspended with pay" bullshit. if I beat up someone at work, fucking hell if I'd be suspended with pay for a fucking year. a year off with pay? PUT UP YOUR DUKES ASSHOLE. 
    Suspended with pay makes sense for an ongoing investigation. But once you're found to be at fault, its just like free vacation. 
    Not where I work two people fight it doesn’t matter who started they are both shown the door ! 
    I'm guessing that's a private organization with little risk of accusations. Jobs like police and even teachers need protection. All police shootings should be investigated, but the cop shouldn't lose pay in the meantime. Accusations against teachers should be investigated, but same thing applies. I don't think the typical job needs the same protections that police, teachers and some others do.
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 24,502
    edited October 2020
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    i just don't fucking understand this "suspended with pay" bullshit. if I beat up someone at work, fucking hell if I'd be suspended with pay for a fucking year. a year off with pay? PUT UP YOUR DUKES ASSHOLE. 
    Suspended with pay makes sense for an ongoing investigation. But once you're found to be at fault, its just like free vacation. 
    Not where I work two people fight it doesn’t matter who started they are both shown the door ! 
    I'm guessing that's a private organization with little risk of accusations. Jobs like police and even teachers need protection. All police shootings should be investigated, but the cop shouldn't lose pay in the meantime. Accusations against teachers should be investigated, but same thing applies. I don't think the typical job needs the same protections that police, teachers and some others do.
    Screw that I say cops shouldn’t be paid while investigation is on going, so yes I don’t agree shoot me..they can always pay them retroactive..
    Post edited by josevolution on
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  • Saw this today. ”Bamse and the mean cops”

    children characters steeped in 70s socialism are the best. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 5,699
    edited November 2020
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    i just don't fucking understand this "suspended with pay" bullshit. if I beat up someone at work, fucking hell if I'd be suspended with pay for a fucking year. a year off with pay? PUT UP YOUR DUKES ASSHOLE. 
    Suspended with pay makes sense for an ongoing investigation. But once you're found to be at fault, its just like free vacation. 
    Not where I work two people fight it doesn’t matter who started they are both shown the door ! 
    I'm guessing that's a private organization with little risk of accusations. Jobs like police and even teachers need protection. All police shootings should be investigated, but the cop shouldn't lose pay in the meantime. Accusations against teachers should be investigated, but same thing applies. I don't think the typical job needs the same protections that police, teachers and some others do.
    Screw that I say cops shouldn’t be paid while investigation is on going, so yes I don’t agree shoot me..they can always pay them retroactive..
    I won’t shoot you, but I disagree.
    Most, probably all by now, departments require leave pending an investigation for all police shootings, which can take months. A cop gets ambushed, shot, returns fire. And now while he recovers in the hospital his potential widow deserves to worry about how to pay the mortgage, keep the lights on and buy food for the kids while her husband is struggling for his life?
    Good thing those cops who were ambushed several weeks ago and shot in the head in LA were unable to return fire, or they’d probably still be on unpaid leave then.
    I wouldn’t have a problem with returning payment if they were found criminally guilty. 
    Post edited by mace1229 on
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,GreecePosts: 14,975
    What??..you are not wearing mask??..


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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,GreecePosts: 14,975
    Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015.
    Prague Krakow Berlin 2018.
    EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 8,134
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    i just don't fucking understand this "suspended with pay" bullshit. if I beat up someone at work, fucking hell if I'd be suspended with pay for a fucking year. a year off with pay? PUT UP YOUR DUKES ASSHOLE. 
    Suspended with pay makes sense for an ongoing investigation. But once you're found to be at fault, its just like free vacation. 
    Not where I work two people fight it doesn’t matter who started they are both shown the door ! 
    I'm guessing that's a private organization with little risk of accusations. Jobs like police and even teachers need protection. All police shootings should be investigated, but the cop shouldn't lose pay in the meantime. Accusations against teachers should be investigated, but same thing applies. I don't think the typical job needs the same protections that police, teachers and some others do.
    Cops should be suspended without pay.  If later they are found not guilty then they can get back pay...

    Otherwise the cop and the crooked lawyer will just bleed the system.  Here in Ontario cops are suspended with pay....which is complete BS.
  • static111static111 Posts: 2,260
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    i just don't fucking understand this "suspended with pay" bullshit. if I beat up someone at work, fucking hell if I'd be suspended with pay for a fucking year. a year off with pay? PUT UP YOUR DUKES ASSHOLE. 
    Suspended with pay makes sense for an ongoing investigation. But once you're found to be at fault, its just like free vacation. 
    Not where I work two people fight it doesn’t matter who started they are both shown the door ! 
    I'm guessing that's a private organization with little risk of accusations. Jobs like police and even teachers need protection. All police shootings should be investigated, but the cop shouldn't lose pay in the meantime. Accusations against teachers should be investigated, but same thing applies. I don't think the typical job needs the same protections that police, teachers and some others do.
    Cops should be suspended without pay.  If later they are found not guilty then they can get back pay...

    Otherwise the cop and the crooked lawyer will just bleed the system.  Here in Ontario cops are suspended with pay....which is complete BS.
    It’s a classic flaw of conservative thinking that leads to that mindset.  Part of the American exceptionalism problem.  Because X could happen or X can’t possibly be avoided it’s best not to try to change anything.  In the case of cops, the exception of “if a cop is ambushed his potential widow shouldn’t have to worry about paying the bills etc”, so let’s not try to find a better solution.  Whereas a much more equitable solution would be to hold the officer accountable until the investigation is concluded.  In the case of extenuating circumstances room for exceptions will be made.  But here in the good old USA we like to pretend that exceptions are the rule. Hence why we have done nothing about police violence or gun control.  The underlying conservative argument in all of these situations is basically something like “no matter what we can’t completely prevent x, so if we can’t completely prevent x there is nothing we can do.” Translated to in this case “ if we make laws to hold cops accountable and it drastically reduces police abuse, some police abuse will still happen and sometimes an officer could be penalized while awaiting an investigation, so let’s not do anything”
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,GreecePosts: 14,975
    Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015.
    Prague Krakow Berlin 2018.
    EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 5,699
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    i just don't fucking understand this "suspended with pay" bullshit. if I beat up someone at work, fucking hell if I'd be suspended with pay for a fucking year. a year off with pay? PUT UP YOUR DUKES ASSHOLE. 
    Suspended with pay makes sense for an ongoing investigation. But once you're found to be at fault, its just like free vacation. 
    Not where I work two people fight it doesn’t matter who started they are both shown the door ! 
    I'm guessing that's a private organization with little risk of accusations. Jobs like police and even teachers need protection. All police shootings should be investigated, but the cop shouldn't lose pay in the meantime. Accusations against teachers should be investigated, but same thing applies. I don't think the typical job needs the same protections that police, teachers and some others do.
    Cops should be suspended without pay.  If later they are found not guilty then they can get back pay...

    Otherwise the cop and the crooked lawyer will just bleed the system.  Here in Ontario cops are suspended with pay....which is complete BS.
    So cops and who else "guilty until proven innocent" doesn't apply to?
    That's just ridiculous. I'm pretty sure every police dept has an investigation after every police shooting.  A cop can be in the hospital fighting for his life because he got ambushed and shot then returned fire, and you take his pay away until the investigation, which can take weeks or months, is complete? SO while he's fighting for his life in the hospital, his wife and kids lose their house, struggle to pay for food. Makes sense. 
  • mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    i just don't fucking understand this "suspended with pay" bullshit. if I beat up someone at work, fucking hell if I'd be suspended with pay for a fucking year. a year off with pay? PUT UP YOUR DUKES ASSHOLE. 
    Suspended with pay makes sense for an ongoing investigation. But once you're found to be at fault, its just like free vacation. 
    Not where I work two people fight it doesn’t matter who started they are both shown the door ! 
    I'm guessing that's a private organization with little risk of accusations. Jobs like police and even teachers need protection. All police shootings should be investigated, but the cop shouldn't lose pay in the meantime. Accusations against teachers should be investigated, but same thing applies. I don't think the typical job needs the same protections that police, teachers and some others do.
    Cops should be suspended without pay.  If later they are found not guilty then they can get back pay...

    Otherwise the cop and the crooked lawyer will just bleed the system.  Here in Ontario cops are suspended with pay....which is complete BS.
    So cops and who else "guilty until proven innocent" doesn't apply to?
    That's just ridiculous. I'm pretty sure every police dept has an investigation after every police shooting.  A cop can be in the hospital fighting for his life because he got ambushed and shot then returned fire, and you take his pay away until the investigation, which can take weeks or months, is complete? SO while he's fighting for his life in the hospital, his wife and kids lose their house, struggle to pay for food. Makes sense. 

    This way of thinking totally makes sense in today’s day in age.  Police have become the scapegoat for all the problems with Society in this new WOKE world.  I don’t know how Cops continue to show up to work and lay their lives on the line for such a ungrateful warped society most are faced with on a daily basis, especially in urban areas where they are needed the most.  But you know....BLM

  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 8,480
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    i just don't fucking understand this "suspended with pay" bullshit. if I beat up someone at work, fucking hell if I'd be suspended with pay for a fucking year. a year off with pay? PUT UP YOUR DUKES ASSHOLE. 
    Suspended with pay makes sense for an ongoing investigation. But once you're found to be at fault, its just like free vacation. 
    Not where I work two people fight it doesn’t matter who started they are both shown the door ! 
    I'm guessing that's a private organization with little risk of accusations. Jobs like police and even teachers need protection. All police shootings should be investigated, but the cop shouldn't lose pay in the meantime. Accusations against teachers should be investigated, but same thing applies. I don't think the typical job needs the same protections that police, teachers and some others do.
    Cops should be suspended without pay.  If later they are found not guilty then they can get back pay...

    Otherwise the cop and the crooked lawyer will just bleed the system.  Here in Ontario cops are suspended with pay....which is complete BS.
    So cops and who else "guilty until proven innocent" doesn't apply to?
    That's just ridiculous. I'm pretty sure every police dept has an investigation after every police shooting.  A cop can be in the hospital fighting for his life because he got ambushed and shot then returned fire, and you take his pay away until the investigation, which can take weeks or months, is complete? SO while he's fighting for his life in the hospital, his wife and kids lose their house, struggle to pay for food. Makes sense. 

    This way of thinking totally makes sense in today’s day in age.  Police have become the scapegoat for all the problems with Society in this new WOKE world.  I don’t know how Cops continue to show up to work and lay their lives on the line for such a ungrateful warped society most are faced with on a daily basis, especially in urban areas where they are needed the most.  But you know....BLM

    This sure sounds like the talking points of a racist point of view.
    But what do I know? I'm a woke liberal wearing a face mask whenever I'm out in public. Or hugging trees.
  • mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    i just don't fucking understand this "suspended with pay" bullshit. if I beat up someone at work, fucking hell if I'd be suspended with pay for a fucking year. a year off with pay? PUT UP YOUR DUKES ASSHOLE. 
    Suspended with pay makes sense for an ongoing investigation. But once you're found to be at fault, its just like free vacation. 
    Not where I work two people fight it doesn’t matter who started they are both shown the door ! 
    I'm guessing that's a private organization with little risk of accusations. Jobs like police and even teachers need protection. All police shootings should be investigated, but the cop shouldn't lose pay in the meantime. Accusations against teachers should be investigated, but same thing applies. I don't think the typical job needs the same protections that police, teachers and some others do.
    Cops should be suspended without pay.  If later they are found not guilty then they can get back pay...

    Otherwise the cop and the crooked lawyer will just bleed the system.  Here in Ontario cops are suspended with pay....which is complete BS.
    So cops and who else "guilty until proven innocent" doesn't apply to?
    That's just ridiculous. I'm pretty sure every police dept has an investigation after every police shooting.  A cop can be in the hospital fighting for his life because he got ambushed and shot then returned fire, and you take his pay away until the investigation, which can take weeks or months, is complete? SO while he's fighting for his life in the hospital, his wife and kids lose their house, struggle to pay for food. Makes sense. 

    This way of thinking totally makes sense in today’s day in age.  Police have become the scapegoat for all the problems with Society in this new WOKE world.  I don’t know how Cops continue to show up to work and lay their lives on the line for such a ungrateful warped society most are faced with on a daily basis, especially in urban areas where they are needed the most.  But you know....BLM

    This sure sounds like the talking points of a racist point of view.
    But what do I know? I'm a woke liberal wearing a face mask whenever I'm out in public. Or hugging trees.
    Please enlighten me on what is racist about saying police are needed most  in urban areas?  Perhaps you meant realist.   I’d imagine it would be a policeman’s wet dream for woke society to see what would happen if they were not to actively patrol for a 48 hr period in areas where violent crime statistically happens the most.  We are sort of seeing it play out now in pretty much all the large Democratically controlled cities in America with homicide numbers increasing 30-40% this year....during a pandemic!!!  
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,330
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    i just don't fucking understand this "suspended with pay" bullshit. if I beat up someone at work, fucking hell if I'd be suspended with pay for a fucking year. a year off with pay? PUT UP YOUR DUKES ASSHOLE. 
    Suspended with pay makes sense for an ongoing investigation. But once you're found to be at fault, its just like free vacation. 
    Not where I work two people fight it doesn’t matter who started they are both shown the door ! 
    I'm guessing that's a private organization with little risk of accusations. Jobs like police and even teachers need protection. All police shootings should be investigated, but the cop shouldn't lose pay in the meantime. Accusations against teachers should be investigated, but same thing applies. I don't think the typical job needs the same protections that police, teachers and some others do.
    Cops should be suspended without pay.  If later they are found not guilty then they can get back pay...

    Otherwise the cop and the crooked lawyer will just bleed the system.  Here in Ontario cops are suspended with pay....which is complete BS.
    So cops and who else "guilty until proven innocent" doesn't apply to?
    That's just ridiculous. I'm pretty sure every police dept has an investigation after every police shooting.  A cop can be in the hospital fighting for his life because he got ambushed and shot then returned fire, and you take his pay away until the investigation, which can take weeks or months, is complete? SO while he's fighting for his life in the hospital, his wife and kids lose their house, struggle to pay for food. Makes sense. 

    This way of thinking totally makes sense in today’s day in age.  Police have become the scapegoat for all the problems with Society in this new WOKE world.  I don’t know how Cops continue to show up to work and lay their lives on the line for such a ungrateful warped society most are faced with on a daily basis, especially in urban areas where they are needed the most.  But you know....BLM

    This sure sounds like the talking points of a racist point of view.
    But what do I know? I'm a woke liberal wearing a face mask whenever I'm out in public. Or hugging trees.
    Please enlighten me on what is racist about saying police are needed most  in urban areas?  Perhaps you meant realist.   I’d imagine it would be a policeman’s wet dream for woke society to see what would happen if they were not to actively patrol for a 48 hr period in areas where violent crime statistically happens the most.  We are sort of seeing it play out now in pretty much all the large Democratically controlled cities in America with homicide numbers increasing 30-40% this year....during a pandemic!!!  
    I think Trump just got a 10C membership. 
    (Track 10 of The Headstones' Nickels For Your Nightmares)


  • mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    i just don't fucking understand this "suspended with pay" bullshit. if I beat up someone at work, fucking hell if I'd be suspended with pay for a fucking year. a year off with pay? PUT UP YOUR DUKES ASSHOLE. 
    Suspended with pay makes sense for an ongoing investigation. But once you're found to be at fault, its just like free vacation. 
    Not where I work two people fight it doesn’t matter who started they are both shown the door ! 
    I'm guessing that's a private organization with little risk of accusations. Jobs like police and even teachers need protection. All police shootings should be investigated, but the cop shouldn't lose pay in the meantime. Accusations against teachers should be investigated, but same thing applies. I don't think the typical job needs the same protections that police, teachers and some others do.
    Cops should be suspended without pay.  If later they are found not guilty then they can get back pay...

    Otherwise the cop and the crooked lawyer will just bleed the system.  Here in Ontario cops are suspended with pay....which is complete BS.
    So cops and who else "guilty until proven innocent" doesn't apply to?
    That's just ridiculous. I'm pretty sure every police dept has an investigation after every police shooting.  A cop can be in the hospital fighting for his life because he got ambushed and shot then returned fire, and you take his pay away until the investigation, which can take weeks or months, is complete? SO while he's fighting for his life in the hospital, his wife and kids lose their house, struggle to pay for food. Makes sense. 

    This way of thinking totally makes sense in today’s day in age.  Police have become the scapegoat for all the problems with Society in this new WOKE world.  I don’t know how Cops continue to show up to work and lay their lives on the line for such a ungrateful warped society most are faced with on a daily basis, especially in urban areas where they are needed the most.  But you know....BLM

    This sure sounds like the talking points of a racist point of view.
    But what do I know? I'm a woke liberal wearing a face mask whenever I'm out in public. Or hugging trees.
    Please enlighten me on what is racist about saying police are needed most  in urban areas?  Perhaps you meant realist.   I’d imagine it would be a policeman’s wet dream for woke society to see what would happen if they were not to actively patrol for a 48 hr period in areas where violent crime statistically happens the most.  We are sort of seeing it play out now in pretty much all the large Democratically controlled cities in America with homicide numbers increasing 30-40% this year....during a pandemic!!!  
    This suggests otherwise... happened in one of those Democratically controlled boogeyman cities too: 

    https://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-proactive-policing-crime-20170925-story.html


  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,330
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    i just don't fucking understand this "suspended with pay" bullshit. if I beat up someone at work, fucking hell if I'd be suspended with pay for a fucking year. a year off with pay? PUT UP YOUR DUKES ASSHOLE. 
    Suspended with pay makes sense for an ongoing investigation. But once you're found to be at fault, its just like free vacation. 
    Not where I work two people fight it doesn’t matter who started they are both shown the door ! 
    I'm guessing that's a private organization with little risk of accusations. Jobs like police and even teachers need protection. All police shootings should be investigated, but the cop shouldn't lose pay in the meantime. Accusations against teachers should be investigated, but same thing applies. I don't think the typical job needs the same protections that police, teachers and some others do.
    Cops should be suspended without pay.  If later they are found not guilty then they can get back pay...

    Otherwise the cop and the crooked lawyer will just bleed the system.  Here in Ontario cops are suspended with pay....which is complete BS.
    So cops and who else "guilty until proven innocent" doesn't apply to?
    That's just ridiculous. I'm pretty sure every police dept has an investigation after every police shooting.  A cop can be in the hospital fighting for his life because he got ambushed and shot then returned fire, and you take his pay away until the investigation, which can take weeks or months, is complete? SO while he's fighting for his life in the hospital, his wife and kids lose their house, struggle to pay for food. Makes sense. 

    This way of thinking totally makes sense in today’s day in age.  Police have become the scapegoat for all the problems with Society in this new WOKE world.  I don’t know how Cops continue to show up to work and lay their lives on the line for such a ungrateful warped society most are faced with on a daily basis, especially in urban areas where they are needed the most.  But you know....BLM

    This sure sounds like the talking points of a racist point of view.
    But what do I know? I'm a woke liberal wearing a face mask whenever I'm out in public. Or hugging trees.
    Please enlighten me on what is racist about saying police are needed most  in urban areas?  Perhaps you meant realist.   I’d imagine it would be a policeman’s wet dream for woke society to see what would happen if they were not to actively patrol for a 48 hr period in areas where violent crime statistically happens the most.  We are sort of seeing it play out now in pretty much all the large Democratically controlled cities in America with homicide numbers increasing 30-40% this year....during a pandemic!!!  
    This suggests otherwise... happened in one of those Democratically controlled boogeyman cities too: 

    https://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-proactive-policing-crime-20170925-story.html

    we all know that "democratically controlled cities are more violent" is utter horseshit. just a right wing fear mongering talking point. 
    (Track 10 of The Headstones' Nickels For Your Nightmares)


  • mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    i just don't fucking understand this "suspended with pay" bullshit. if I beat up someone at work, fucking hell if I'd be suspended with pay for a fucking year. a year off with pay? PUT UP YOUR DUKES ASSHOLE. 
    Suspended with pay makes sense for an ongoing investigation. But once you're found to be at fault, its just like free vacation. 
    Not where I work two people fight it doesn’t matter who started they are both shown the door ! 
    I'm guessing that's a private organization with little risk of accusations. Jobs like police and even teachers need protection. All police shootings should be investigated, but the cop shouldn't lose pay in the meantime. Accusations against teachers should be investigated, but same thing applies. I don't think the typical job needs the same protections that police, teachers and some others do.
    Cops should be suspended without pay.  If later they are found not guilty then they can get back pay...

    Otherwise the cop and the crooked lawyer will just bleed the system.  Here in Ontario cops are suspended with pay....which is complete BS.
    So cops and who else "guilty until proven innocent" doesn't apply to?
    That's just ridiculous. I'm pretty sure every police dept has an investigation after every police shooting.  A cop can be in the hospital fighting for his life because he got ambushed and shot then returned fire, and you take his pay away until the investigation, which can take weeks or months, is complete? SO while he's fighting for his life in the hospital, his wife and kids lose their house, struggle to pay for food. Makes sense. 

    This way of thinking totally makes sense in today’s day in age.  Police have become the scapegoat for all the problems with Society in this new WOKE world.  I don’t know how Cops continue to show up to work and lay their lives on the line for such a ungrateful warped society most are faced with on a daily basis, especially in urban areas where they are needed the most.  But you know....BLM

    This sure sounds like the talking points of a racist point of view.
    But what do I know? I'm a woke liberal wearing a face mask whenever I'm out in public. Or hugging trees.
    Please enlighten me on what is racist about saying police are needed most  in urban areas?  Perhaps you meant realist.   I’d imagine it would be a policeman’s wet dream for woke society to see what would happen if they were not to actively patrol for a 48 hr period in areas where violent crime statistically happens the most.  We are sort of seeing it play out now in pretty much all the large Democratically controlled cities in America with homicide numbers increasing 30-40% this year....during a pandemic!!!  
    This suggests otherwise... happened in one of those Democratically controlled boogeyman cities too: 

    https://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-proactive-policing-crime-20170925-story.html

    we all know that "democratically controlled cities are more violent" is utter horseshit. just a right wing fear mongering talking point. 
    Pssshh... next thing you'll tell me Trump didn't actually liberate Long Island cities from the grip of MS13 and that the Soros funded migrant caravans were just bullshit propaganda intended to influence the mid term elections. 

  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,330
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    i just don't fucking understand this "suspended with pay" bullshit. if I beat up someone at work, fucking hell if I'd be suspended with pay for a fucking year. a year off with pay? PUT UP YOUR DUKES ASSHOLE. 
    Suspended with pay makes sense for an ongoing investigation. But once you're found to be at fault, its just like free vacation. 
    Not where I work two people fight it doesn’t matter who started they are both shown the door ! 
    I'm guessing that's a private organization with little risk of accusations. Jobs like police and even teachers need protection. All police shootings should be investigated, but the cop shouldn't lose pay in the meantime. Accusations against teachers should be investigated, but same thing applies. I don't think the typical job needs the same protections that police, teachers and some others do.
    Cops should be suspended without pay.  If later they are found not guilty then they can get back pay...

    Otherwise the cop and the crooked lawyer will just bleed the system.  Here in Ontario cops are suspended with pay....which is complete BS.
    So cops and who else "guilty until proven innocent" doesn't apply to?
    That's just ridiculous. I'm pretty sure every police dept has an investigation after every police shooting.  A cop can be in the hospital fighting for his life because he got ambushed and shot then returned fire, and you take his pay away until the investigation, which can take weeks or months, is complete? SO while he's fighting for his life in the hospital, his wife and kids lose their house, struggle to pay for food. Makes sense. 

    This way of thinking totally makes sense in today’s day in age.  Police have become the scapegoat for all the problems with Society in this new WOKE world.  I don’t know how Cops continue to show up to work and lay their lives on the line for such a ungrateful warped society most are faced with on a daily basis, especially in urban areas where they are needed the most.  But you know....BLM

    This sure sounds like the talking points of a racist point of view.
    But what do I know? I'm a woke liberal wearing a face mask whenever I'm out in public. Or hugging trees.
    Please enlighten me on what is racist about saying police are needed most  in urban areas?  Perhaps you meant realist.   I’d imagine it would be a policeman’s wet dream for woke society to see what would happen if they were not to actively patrol for a 48 hr period in areas where violent crime statistically happens the most.  We are sort of seeing it play out now in pretty much all the large Democratically controlled cities in America with homicide numbers increasing 30-40% this year....during a pandemic!!!  
    This suggests otherwise... happened in one of those Democratically controlled boogeyman cities too: 

    https://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-proactive-policing-crime-20170925-story.html

    we all know that "democratically controlled cities are more violent" is utter horseshit. just a right wing fear mongering talking point. 
    Pssshh... next thing you'll tell me Trump didn't actually liberate Long Island cities from the grip of MS13 and that the Soros funded migrant caravans were just bullshit propaganda intended to influence the mid term elections. 
    i think the caravan made its way by canoe up to BC (after being stopped by the Big Beautiful Border Wall) and they are moving across canada to get to newfoundland. 

    they apparently are in search of the Almighty Screech. 


    (Track 10 of The Headstones' Nickels For Your Nightmares)


  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 5,699
    edited December 2020
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    i just don't fucking understand this "suspended with pay" bullshit. if I beat up someone at work, fucking hell if I'd be suspended with pay for a fucking year. a year off with pay? PUT UP YOUR DUKES ASSHOLE. 
    Suspended with pay makes sense for an ongoing investigation. But once you're found to be at fault, its just like free vacation. 
    Not where I work two people fight it doesn’t matter who started they are both shown the door ! 
    I'm guessing that's a private organization with little risk of accusations. Jobs like police and even teachers need protection. All police shootings should be investigated, but the cop shouldn't lose pay in the meantime. Accusations against teachers should be investigated, but same thing applies. I don't think the typical job needs the same protections that police, teachers and some others do.
    Cops should be suspended without pay.  If later they are found not guilty then they can get back pay...

    Otherwise the cop and the crooked lawyer will just bleed the system.  Here in Ontario cops are suspended with pay....which is complete BS.
    So cops and who else "guilty until proven innocent" doesn't apply to?
    That's just ridiculous. I'm pretty sure every police dept has an investigation after every police shooting.  A cop can be in the hospital fighting for his life because he got ambushed and shot then returned fire, and you take his pay away until the investigation, which can take weeks or months, is complete? SO while he's fighting for his life in the hospital, his wife and kids lose their house, struggle to pay for food. Makes sense. 

    This way of thinking totally makes sense in today’s day in age.  Police have become the scapegoat for all the problems with Society in this new WOKE world.  I don’t know how Cops continue to show up to work and lay their lives on the line for such a ungrateful warped society most are faced with on a daily basis, especially in urban areas where they are needed the most.  But you know....BLM

    I would agree with this. I wouldn't have been the first t say it here because it would get taken out of context and you'd be called racist.
    I don't agree it has the democratic connection that you later followed up with though. But crime is higher in minority communities, People will try to disagree, but its a fact that is easily checked. Look at Brentwood vs South Central LA, Southside Chicago, etc. Minority communities have a higher crime rate. I guess you could argue minorities are more for democrats, but that's an indirect link. And it does seem like the areas where police are needed more they are hated the most. I will probably never forget those 2 cops who were ambushed about 2 months ago in LA, and seeing the video of witnesses cheering on the shooter and then laughing at the 2 cops and they try to bandage their head wounds and call for help. Literally laughing at them for being shot in the head in an ambush, I guess its lucky for them there were so many cameras of the shooting, or they'd have to lose pay for the crime of being ambushed until the investigation was complete. 
    I don't think it is a direct link to race and crime, it has more to do with poverty, low income, poor education, single or even zero parent households than race. But all those factors are linked to race unfortunately. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,330
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    i just don't fucking understand this "suspended with pay" bullshit. if I beat up someone at work, fucking hell if I'd be suspended with pay for a fucking year. a year off with pay? PUT UP YOUR DUKES ASSHOLE. 
    Suspended with pay makes sense for an ongoing investigation. But once you're found to be at fault, its just like free vacation. 
    Not where I work two people fight it doesn’t matter who started they are both shown the door ! 
    I'm guessing that's a private organization with little risk of accusations. Jobs like police and even teachers need protection. All police shootings should be investigated, but the cop shouldn't lose pay in the meantime. Accusations against teachers should be investigated, but same thing applies. I don't think the typical job needs the same protections that police, teachers and some others do.
    Cops should be suspended without pay.  If later they are found not guilty then they can get back pay...

    Otherwise the cop and the crooked lawyer will just bleed the system.  Here in Ontario cops are suspended with pay....which is complete BS.
    So cops and who else "guilty until proven innocent" doesn't apply to?
    That's just ridiculous. I'm pretty sure every police dept has an investigation after every police shooting.  A cop can be in the hospital fighting for his life because he got ambushed and shot then returned fire, and you take his pay away until the investigation, which can take weeks or months, is complete? SO while he's fighting for his life in the hospital, his wife and kids lose their house, struggle to pay for food. Makes sense. 

    This way of thinking totally makes sense in today’s day in age.  Police have become the scapegoat for all the problems with Society in this new WOKE world.  I don’t know how Cops continue to show up to work and lay their lives on the line for such a ungrateful warped society most are faced with on a daily basis, especially in urban areas where they are needed the most.  But you know....BLM

    I would agree with this. I wouldn't have been the first t say it here because it would get taken out of context and you'd be called racist.
    I don't agree it has the democratic connection that you later followed up with though. But crime is higher in minority communities, People will try to disagree, but its a fact that is easily checked. Look at Brentwood vs South Central LA, Southside Chicago, etc. Minority communities have a higher crime rate. I guess you could argue minorities are more for democrats, but that's an indirect link. And it does seem like the areas where police are needed more they are hated the most. I will probably never forget those 2 cops who were ambushed about 2 months ago in LA, and seeing the video of witnesses cheering on the shooter and then laughing at the 2 cops and they try to bandage their head wounds and call for help. Literally laughing at them for being shot in the head in an ambush, I guess its lucky for them there were so many cameras of the shooting, or they'd have to lose pay for the crime of being ambushed until the investigation was complete. 
    I don't think it is a direct link to race and crime, it has more to do with poverty, low income, poor education, single or even zero parent households than race. But all those factors are linked to race unfortunately. 
    to these minority communities, cops are not the heroes we hold them as in white suburbia. to call these people ungrateful is fucked up to say the least. 

    if people like linda had any fucking clue what these people go through, they wouldn't be propping all cops up as the victims here. they are part of the system that has oppressed these people for decades.  
    (Track 10 of The Headstones' Nickels For Your Nightmares)


  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 5,699
    edited December 2020
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    i just don't fucking understand this "suspended with pay" bullshit. if I beat up someone at work, fucking hell if I'd be suspended with pay for a fucking year. a year off with pay? PUT UP YOUR DUKES ASSHOLE. 
    Suspended with pay makes sense for an ongoing investigation. But once you're found to be at fault, its just like free vacation. 
    Not where I work two people fight it doesn’t matter who started they are both shown the door ! 
    I'm guessing that's a private organization with little risk of accusations. Jobs like police and even teachers need protection. All police shootings should be investigated, but the cop shouldn't lose pay in the meantime. Accusations against teachers should be investigated, but same thing applies. I don't think the typical job needs the same protections that police, teachers and some others do.
    Cops should be suspended without pay.  If later they are found not guilty then they can get back pay...

    Otherwise the cop and the crooked lawyer will just bleed the system.  Here in Ontario cops are suspended with pay....which is complete BS.
    So cops and who else "guilty until proven innocent" doesn't apply to?
    That's just ridiculous. I'm pretty sure every police dept has an investigation after every police shooting.  A cop can be in the hospital fighting for his life because he got ambushed and shot then returned fire, and you take his pay away until the investigation, which can take weeks or months, is complete? SO while he's fighting for his life in the hospital, his wife and kids lose their house, struggle to pay for food. Makes sense. 

    This way of thinking totally makes sense in today’s day in age.  Police have become the scapegoat for all the problems with Society in this new WOKE world.  I don’t know how Cops continue to show up to work and lay their lives on the line for such a ungrateful warped society most are faced with on a daily basis, especially in urban areas where they are needed the most.  But you know....BLM

    I would agree with this. I wouldn't have been the first t say it here because it would get taken out of context and you'd be called racist.
    I don't agree it has the democratic connection that you later followed up with though. But crime is higher in minority communities, People will try to disagree, but its a fact that is easily checked. Look at Brentwood vs South Central LA, Southside Chicago, etc. Minority communities have a higher crime rate. I guess you could argue minorities are more for democrats, but that's an indirect link. And it does seem like the areas where police are needed more they are hated the most. I will probably never forget those 2 cops who were ambushed about 2 months ago in LA, and seeing the video of witnesses cheering on the shooter and then laughing at the 2 cops and they try to bandage their head wounds and call for help. Literally laughing at them for being shot in the head in an ambush, I guess its lucky for them there were so many cameras of the shooting, or they'd have to lose pay for the crime of being ambushed until the investigation was complete. 
    I don't think it is a direct link to race and crime, it has more to do with poverty, low income, poor education, single or even zero parent households than race. But all those factors are linked to race unfortunately. 
    to these minority communities, cops are not the heroes we hold them as in white suburbia. to call these people ungrateful is fucked up to say the least. 

    if people like linda had any fucking clue what these people go through, they wouldn't be propping all cops up as the victims here. they are part of the system that has oppressed these people for decades.  
    I think theres more to it than part of a system. I think self-fulfilling phrophecy also plays a role. They think they will get treated differently, so they act differently, and therefore get treated differently. Not saying the system is perfect, but there's a lot of misleading information out there as well. When the evening news is telling kids to run away from cops because they will kill you if you let them place you in the back of a car, and that is what CNN said when Rayshard Brooks was shot, it creates this bigger problem. 
    Being ungrateful is fine, No one requires you to be grateful. But there is a huge difference between being ungrateful and cheering on the deaths of people because they wear a uniform, or even just going out and throwing Molotov cocktails and bricks at them, which has been allowed for months and is ridiculous. 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,330
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    i just don't fucking understand this "suspended with pay" bullshit. if I beat up someone at work, fucking hell if I'd be suspended with pay for a fucking year. a year off with pay? PUT UP YOUR DUKES ASSHOLE. 
    Suspended with pay makes sense for an ongoing investigation. But once you're found to be at fault, its just like free vacation. 
    Not where I work two people fight it doesn’t matter who started they are both shown the door ! 
    I'm guessing that's a private organization with little risk of accusations. Jobs like police and even teachers need protection. All police shootings should be investigated, but the cop shouldn't lose pay in the meantime. Accusations against teachers should be investigated, but same thing applies. I don't think the typical job needs the same protections that police, teachers and some others do.
    Cops should be suspended without pay.  If later they are found not guilty then they can get back pay...

    Otherwise the cop and the crooked lawyer will just bleed the system.  Here in Ontario cops are suspended with pay....which is complete BS.
    So cops and who else "guilty until proven innocent" doesn't apply to?
    That's just ridiculous. I'm pretty sure every police dept has an investigation after every police shooting.  A cop can be in the hospital fighting for his life because he got ambushed and shot then returned fire, and you take his pay away until the investigation, which can take weeks or months, is complete? SO while he's fighting for his life in the hospital, his wife and kids lose their house, struggle to pay for food. Makes sense. 

    This way of thinking totally makes sense in today’s day in age.  Police have become the scapegoat for all the problems with Society in this new WOKE world.  I don’t know how Cops continue to show up to work and lay their lives on the line for such a ungrateful warped society most are faced with on a daily basis, especially in urban areas where they are needed the most.  But you know....BLM

    I would agree with this. I wouldn't have been the first t say it here because it would get taken out of context and you'd be called racist.
    I don't agree it has the democratic connection that you later followed up with though. But crime is higher in minority communities, People will try to disagree, but its a fact that is easily checked. Look at Brentwood vs South Central LA, Southside Chicago, etc. Minority communities have a higher crime rate. I guess you could argue minorities are more for democrats, but that's an indirect link. And it does seem like the areas where police are needed more they are hated the most. I will probably never forget those 2 cops who were ambushed about 2 months ago in LA, and seeing the video of witnesses cheering on the shooter and then laughing at the 2 cops and they try to bandage their head wounds and call for help. Literally laughing at them for being shot in the head in an ambush, I guess its lucky for them there were so many cameras of the shooting, or they'd have to lose pay for the crime of being ambushed until the investigation was complete. 
    I don't think it is a direct link to race and crime, it has more to do with poverty, low income, poor education, single or even zero parent households than race. But all those factors are linked to race unfortunately. 
    to these minority communities, cops are not the heroes we hold them as in white suburbia. to call these people ungrateful is fucked up to say the least. 

    if people like linda had any fucking clue what these people go through, they wouldn't be propping all cops up as the victims here. they are part of the system that has oppressed these people for decades.  
    I think theres more to it than part of a system. I think self-fulfilling phrophecy also plays a role. They think they will get treated differently, so they act differently, and therefore get treated differently. Not saying the system is perfect, but there's a lot of misleading information out there as well. When the evening news is telling kids to run away from cops because they will kill you if you let them place you in the back of a car, and that is what CNN said when Rayshard Brooks was shot, it creates this bigger problem. 
    Being ungrateful is fine, No one requires you to be grateful. But there is a huge difference between being ungrateful and cheering on the deaths of people because they wear a uniform, or even just going out and throwing Molotov cocktails and bricks at them, which has been allowed for months and is ridiculous. 
    i'd be cheering on the deaths of those in uniform too if people in that same uniform over the years were responsible for the deaths of my brothers and sisters. 
    (Track 10 of The Headstones' Nickels For Your Nightmares)


  • mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    i just don't fucking understand this "suspended with pay" bullshit. if I beat up someone at work, fucking hell if I'd be suspended with pay for a fucking year. a year off with pay? PUT UP YOUR DUKES ASSHOLE. 
    Suspended with pay makes sense for an ongoing investigation. But once you're found to be at fault, its just like free vacation. 
    Not where I work two people fight it doesn’t matter who started they are both shown the door ! 
    I'm guessing that's a private organization with little risk of accusations. Jobs like police and even teachers need protection. All police shootings should be investigated, but the cop shouldn't lose pay in the meantime. Accusations against teachers should be investigated, but same thing applies. I don't think the typical job needs the same protections that police, teachers and some others do.
    Cops should be suspended without pay.  If later they are found not guilty then they can get back pay...

    Otherwise the cop and the crooked lawyer will just bleed the system.  Here in Ontario cops are suspended with pay....which is complete BS.
    So cops and who else "guilty until proven innocent" doesn't apply to?
    That's just ridiculous. I'm pretty sure every police dept has an investigation after every police shooting.  A cop can be in the hospital fighting for his life because he got ambushed and shot then returned fire, and you take his pay away until the investigation, which can take weeks or months, is complete? SO while he's fighting for his life in the hospital, his wife and kids lose their house, struggle to pay for food. Makes sense. 

    This way of thinking totally makes sense in today’s day in age.  Police have become the scapegoat for all the problems with Society in this new WOKE world.  I don’t know how Cops continue to show up to work and lay their lives on the line for such a ungrateful warped society most are faced with on a daily basis, especially in urban areas where they are needed the most.  But you know....BLM

    I would agree with this. I wouldn't have been the first t say it here because it would get taken out of context and you'd be called racist.
    I don't agree it has the democratic connection that you later followed up with though. But crime is higher in minority communities, People will try to disagree, but its a fact that is easily checked. Look at Brentwood vs South Central LA, Southside Chicago, etc. Minority communities have a higher crime rate. I guess you could argue minorities are more for democrats, but that's an indirect link. And it does seem like the areas where police are needed more they are hated the most. I will probably never forget those 2 cops who were ambushed about 2 months ago in LA, and seeing the video of witnesses cheering on the shooter and then laughing at the 2 cops and they try to bandage their head wounds and call for help. Literally laughing at them for being shot in the head in an ambush, I guess its lucky for them there were so many cameras of the shooting, or they'd have to lose pay for the crime of being ambushed until the investigation was complete. 
    I don't think it is a direct link to race and crime, it has more to do with poverty, low income, poor education, single or even zero parent households than race. But all those factors are linked to race unfortunately. 
    to these minority communities, cops are not the heroes we hold them as in white suburbia. to call these people ungrateful is fucked up to say the least. 

    if people like linda had any fucking clue what these people go through, they wouldn't be propping all cops up as the victims here. they are part of the system that has oppressed these people for decades.  
    I think theres more to it than part of a system. I think self-fulfilling phrophecy also plays a role. They think they will get treated differently, so they act differently, and therefore get treated differently. Not saying the system is perfect, but there's a lot of misleading information out there as well. When the evening news is telling kids to run away from cops because they will kill you if you let them place you in the back of a car, and that is what CNN said when Rayshard Brooks was shot, it creates this bigger problem. 
    Being ungrateful is fine, No one requires you to be grateful. But there is a huge difference between being ungrateful and cheering on the deaths of people because they wear a uniform, or even just going out and throwing Molotov cocktails and bricks at them, which has been allowed for months and is ridiculous. 
    i'd be cheering on the deaths of those in uniform too if people in that same uniform over the years were responsible for the deaths of my brothers and sisters. 
    Well here are 4 feel good stories for you to cheer on....Being WOKE is so confusing to me....
    https://abc13.com/houston-police-officers-killed-this-year-in-line-of-duty-area/7839146
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,330
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    i just don't fucking understand this "suspended with pay" bullshit. if I beat up someone at work, fucking hell if I'd be suspended with pay for a fucking year. a year off with pay? PUT UP YOUR DUKES ASSHOLE. 
    Suspended with pay makes sense for an ongoing investigation. But once you're found to be at fault, its just like free vacation. 
    Not where I work two people fight it doesn’t matter who started they are both shown the door ! 
    I'm guessing that's a private organization with little risk of accusations. Jobs like police and even teachers need protection. All police shootings should be investigated, but the cop shouldn't lose pay in the meantime. Accusations against teachers should be investigated, but same thing applies. I don't think the typical job needs the same protections that police, teachers and some others do.
    Cops should be suspended without pay.  If later they are found not guilty then they can get back pay...

    Otherwise the cop and the crooked lawyer will just bleed the system.  Here in Ontario cops are suspended with pay....which is complete BS.
    So cops and who else "guilty until proven innocent" doesn't apply to?
    That's just ridiculous. I'm pretty sure every police dept has an investigation after every police shooting.  A cop can be in the hospital fighting for his life because he got ambushed and shot then returned fire, and you take his pay away until the investigation, which can take weeks or months, is complete? SO while he's fighting for his life in the hospital, his wife and kids lose their house, struggle to pay for food. Makes sense. 

    This way of thinking totally makes sense in today’s day in age.  Police have become the scapegoat for all the problems with Society in this new WOKE world.  I don’t know how Cops continue to show up to work and lay their lives on the line for such a ungrateful warped society most are faced with on a daily basis, especially in urban areas where they are needed the most.  But you know....BLM

    I would agree with this. I wouldn't have been the first t say it here because it would get taken out of context and you'd be called racist.
    I don't agree it has the democratic connection that you later followed up with though. But crime is higher in minority communities, People will try to disagree, but its a fact that is easily checked. Look at Brentwood vs South Central LA, Southside Chicago, etc. Minority communities have a higher crime rate. I guess you could argue minorities are more for democrats, but that's an indirect link. And it does seem like the areas where police are needed more they are hated the most. I will probably never forget those 2 cops who were ambushed about 2 months ago in LA, and seeing the video of witnesses cheering on the shooter and then laughing at the 2 cops and they try to bandage their head wounds and call for help. Literally laughing at them for being shot in the head in an ambush, I guess its lucky for them there were so many cameras of the shooting, or they'd have to lose pay for the crime of being ambushed until the investigation was complete. 
    I don't think it is a direct link to race and crime, it has more to do with poverty, low income, poor education, single or even zero parent households than race. But all those factors are linked to race unfortunately. 
    to these minority communities, cops are not the heroes we hold them as in white suburbia. to call these people ungrateful is fucked up to say the least. 

    if people like linda had any fucking clue what these people go through, they wouldn't be propping all cops up as the victims here. they are part of the system that has oppressed these people for decades.  
    I think theres more to it than part of a system. I think self-fulfilling phrophecy also plays a role. They think they will get treated differently, so they act differently, and therefore get treated differently. Not saying the system is perfect, but there's a lot of misleading information out there as well. When the evening news is telling kids to run away from cops because they will kill you if you let them place you in the back of a car, and that is what CNN said when Rayshard Brooks was shot, it creates this bigger problem. 
    Being ungrateful is fine, No one requires you to be grateful. But there is a huge difference between being ungrateful and cheering on the deaths of people because they wear a uniform, or even just going out and throwing Molotov cocktails and bricks at them, which has been allowed for months and is ridiculous. 
    i'd be cheering on the deaths of those in uniform too if people in that same uniform over the years were responsible for the deaths of my brothers and sisters. 
    Well here are 4 feel good stories for you to cheer on....Being WOKE is so confusing to me....
    https://abc13.com/houston-police-officers-killed-this-year-in-line-of-duty-area/7839146
    don't be daft. i'm not personally cheering any of that shit on. 
    (Track 10 of The Headstones' Nickels For Your Nightmares)


  • tbergstbergs Posts: 7,667
    A lot of bullshit assumptions being spread again I see. The right seems to be good at fear mongering and using innuendo, but god forbid we actually look at the statistics. And yet the "media" is spreading fake news.

    Using the FBI data, the violent crime rate fell 49% between 1993 and 2019, with large decreases in the rates of robbery (-68%), murder/non-negligent manslaughter (-47%) and aggravated assault (-43%). (It’s not possible to calculate the change in the rape rate during this period because the FBI revised its definition of the offense in 2013.) Meanwhile, the property crime rate fell 55%, with big declines in the rates of burglary (-69%), motor vehicle theft (-64%) and larceny/theft (-49%).

    Using the BJS statistics, the declines in the violent and property crime rates are even steeper than those reported by the FBI. Per BJS, the overall violent crime rate fell 74% between 1993 and 2019, while the property crime rate fell 71%.

    How do Americans perceive crime in their country?

    Americans tend to believe crime is up, even when the data shows it is down.

    In 20 of 24 Gallup surveys conducted since 1993, at least 60% of U.S. adults have said there is more crime nationally than there was the year before, despite the generally downward trend in national violent and property crime rates during most of that period.

    While perceptions of rising crime at the national level are common, fewer Americans believe crime is up in their own communities. In all 23 Gallup surveys that have included the question since 1993, no more than about half of Americans have said crime is up in their area compared with the year before.

    This year, the gap between the share of Americans who say crime is up nationally and the share who say it is up locally (78% vs. 38%) is the widest Gallup has ever recorded.

    Public attitudes about crime also differ by Americans’ partisan affiliationrace and ethnicity and other factors. For example, in a summer Pew Research Center survey, 74% of registered voters who support Trump said violent crime was “very important” to their vote in this year’s presidential election, compared with a far smaller share of Joe Biden supporters (46%).

    In its 2019 survey of crime victims, BJS found wide differences by age and income when it comes to being the victim of a violent crime. Younger people and those with lower incomes were far more likely to report being victimized than older and higher-income people. For example, the victimization rate among those with annual incomes of less than $25,000 was more than twice the rate among those with incomes of $50,000 or more.

    There were no major differences in victimization rates between male and female respondents or between those who identified as White, Black or Hispanic. But the victimization rate among Asian Americans was substantially lower than among other racial and ethnic groups.

    When it comes to those who commit crimes, the same BJS survey asks victims about the perceived demographic characteristics of the offenders in the incidents they experienced. In 2019, those who are male, younger people and those who are Black accounted for considerably larger shares of perceived offenders in violent incidents than their respective shares of the U.S. population. As with all surveys, however, there are several potential sources of error, including the possibility that crime victims’ perceptions are incorrect.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/11/20/facts-about-crime-in-the-u-s/
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 5,699
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    i just don't fucking understand this "suspended with pay" bullshit. if I beat up someone at work, fucking hell if I'd be suspended with pay for a fucking year. a year off with pay? PUT UP YOUR DUKES ASSHOLE. 
    Suspended with pay makes sense for an ongoing investigation. But once you're found to be at fault, its just like free vacation. 
    Not where I work two people fight it doesn’t matter who started they are both shown the door ! 
    I'm guessing that's a private organization with little risk of accusations. Jobs like police and even teachers need protection. All police shootings should be investigated, but the cop shouldn't lose pay in the meantime. Accusations against teachers should be investigated, but same thing applies. I don't think the typical job needs the same protections that police, teachers and some others do.
    Cops should be suspended without pay.  If later they are found not guilty then they can get back pay...

    Otherwise the cop and the crooked lawyer will just bleed the system.  Here in Ontario cops are suspended with pay....which is complete BS.
    So cops and who else "guilty until proven innocent" doesn't apply to?
    That's just ridiculous. I'm pretty sure every police dept has an investigation after every police shooting.  A cop can be in the hospital fighting for his life because he got ambushed and shot then returned fire, and you take his pay away until the investigation, which can take weeks or months, is complete? SO while he's fighting for his life in the hospital, his wife and kids lose their house, struggle to pay for food. Makes sense. 

    This way of thinking totally makes sense in today’s day in age.  Police have become the scapegoat for all the problems with Society in this new WOKE world.  I don’t know how Cops continue to show up to work and lay their lives on the line for such a ungrateful warped society most are faced with on a daily basis, especially in urban areas where they are needed the most.  But you know....BLM

    I would agree with this. I wouldn't have been the first t say it here because it would get taken out of context and you'd be called racist.
    I don't agree it has the democratic connection that you later followed up with though. But crime is higher in minority communities, People will try to disagree, but its a fact that is easily checked. Look at Brentwood vs South Central LA, Southside Chicago, etc. Minority communities have a higher crime rate. I guess you could argue minorities are more for democrats, but that's an indirect link. And it does seem like the areas where police are needed more they are hated the most. I will probably never forget those 2 cops who were ambushed about 2 months ago in LA, and seeing the video of witnesses cheering on the shooter and then laughing at the 2 cops and they try to bandage their head wounds and call for help. Literally laughing at them for being shot in the head in an ambush, I guess its lucky for them there were so many cameras of the shooting, or they'd have to lose pay for the crime of being ambushed until the investigation was complete. 
    I don't think it is a direct link to race and crime, it has more to do with poverty, low income, poor education, single or even zero parent households than race. But all those factors are linked to race unfortunately. 
    to these minority communities, cops are not the heroes we hold them as in white suburbia. to call these people ungrateful is fucked up to say the least. 

    if people like linda had any fucking clue what these people go through, they wouldn't be propping all cops up as the victims here. they are part of the system that has oppressed these people for decades.  
    I think theres more to it than part of a system. I think self-fulfilling phrophecy also plays a role. They think they will get treated differently, so they act differently, and therefore get treated differently. Not saying the system is perfect, but there's a lot of misleading information out there as well. When the evening news is telling kids to run away from cops because they will kill you if you let them place you in the back of a car, and that is what CNN said when Rayshard Brooks was shot, it creates this bigger problem. 
    Being ungrateful is fine, No one requires you to be grateful. But there is a huge difference between being ungrateful and cheering on the deaths of people because they wear a uniform, or even just going out and throwing Molotov cocktails and bricks at them, which has been allowed for months and is ridiculous. 
    i'd be cheering on the deaths of those in uniform too if people in that same uniform over the years were responsible for the deaths of my brothers and sisters. 
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    i just don't fucking understand this "suspended with pay" bullshit. if I beat up someone at work, fucking hell if I'd be suspended with pay for a fucking year. a year off with pay? PUT UP YOUR DUKES ASSHOLE. 
    Suspended with pay makes sense for an ongoing investigation. But once you're found to be at fault, its just like free vacation. 
    Not where I work two people fight it doesn’t matter who started they are both shown the door ! 
    I'm guessing that's a private organization with little risk of accusations. Jobs like police and even teachers need protection. All police shootings should be investigated, but the cop shouldn't lose pay in the meantime. Accusations against teachers should be investigated, but same thing applies. I don't think the typical job needs the same protections that police, teachers and some others do.
    Cops should be suspended without pay.  If later they are found not guilty then they can get back pay...

    Otherwise the cop and the crooked lawyer will just bleed the system.  Here in Ontario cops are suspended with pay....which is complete BS.
    So cops and who else "guilty until proven innocent" doesn't apply to?
    That's just ridiculous. I'm pretty sure every police dept has an investigation after every police shooting.  A cop can be in the hospital fighting for his life because he got ambushed and shot then returned fire, and you take his pay away until the investigation, which can take weeks or months, is complete? SO while he's fighting for his life in the hospital, his wife and kids lose their house, struggle to pay for food. Makes sense. 

    This way of thinking totally makes sense in today’s day in age.  Police have become the scapegoat for all the problems with Society in this new WOKE world.  I don’t know how Cops continue to show up to work and lay their lives on the line for such a ungrateful warped society most are faced with on a daily basis, especially in urban areas where they are needed the most.  But you know....BLM

    I would agree with this. I wouldn't have been the first t say it here because it would get taken out of context and you'd be called racist.
    I don't agree it has the democratic connection that you later followed up with though. But crime is higher in minority communities, People will try to disagree, but its a fact that is easily checked. Look at Brentwood vs South Central LA, Southside Chicago, etc. Minority communities have a higher crime rate. I guess you could argue minorities are more for democrats, but that's an indirect link. And it does seem like the areas where police are needed more they are hated the most. I will probably never forget those 2 cops who were ambushed about 2 months ago in LA, and seeing the video of witnesses cheering on the shooter and then laughing at the 2 cops and they try to bandage their head wounds and call for help. Literally laughing at them for being shot in the head in an ambush, I guess its lucky for them there were so many cameras of the shooting, or they'd have to lose pay for the crime of being ambushed until the investigation was complete. 
    I don't think it is a direct link to race and crime, it has more to do with poverty, low income, poor education, single or even zero parent households than race. But all those factors are linked to race unfortunately. 
    to these minority communities, cops are not the heroes we hold them as in white suburbia. to call these people ungrateful is fucked up to say the least. 

    if people like linda had any fucking clue what these people go through, they wouldn't be propping all cops up as the victims here. they are part of the system that has oppressed these people for decades.  
    I think theres more to it than part of a system. I think self-fulfilling phrophecy also plays a role. They think they will get treated differently, so they act differently, and therefore get treated differently. Not saying the system is perfect, but there's a lot of misleading information out there as well. When the evening news is telling kids to run away from cops because they will kill you if you let them place you in the back of a car, and that is what CNN said when Rayshard Brooks was shot, it creates this bigger problem. 
    Being ungrateful is fine, No one requires you to be grateful. But there is a huge difference between being ungrateful and cheering on the deaths of people because they wear a uniform, or even just going out and throwing Molotov cocktails and bricks at them, which has been allowed for months and is ridiculous. 
    i'd be cheering on the deaths of those in uniform too if people in that same uniform over the years were responsible for the deaths of my brothers and sisters. 
    Well here are 4 feel good stories for you to cheer on....Being WOKE is so confusing to me....
    https://abc13.com/houston-police-officers-killed-this-year-in-line-of-duty-area/7839146
    don't be daft. i'm not personally cheering any of that shit on. 

    I don't understand that mentality. Because a family member was killed by a cop I should cheer on the death of other cops? What if my brother got killed by a black man, you'd understand me cheering the deaths of other black men getting murdered? Of course not. But how is that thinking different? Condemning an entire group to death for the actions of a few.
    That isn't a healthy mentality to have, and its actually dangerous. It creates more hostility that adds more fuel, when the reality is most cops, the vast majority of cops, are not out there to go beat up on people because they are racist. But it is that attitude that got those 2 cops shot in the head, one a young mother and her partner, while the bystanders cheered it on. Those people are sick, and as bad as any racist organization in my opinion who cheered that one. That mother who had her jaw shot off at point blank did nothing to those people, but because they saw some video from another state of some cop killing some black dude they never met, its okay to cheer it on. 
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