Why Should a Republican Voter Turn Around After Four Years of Being Labled and Give Joe a Chance?

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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,410
    Hmmm, a thread placing Trump and Biden on the same playing ground. I'm not sure how anyone would even come up with that alternate reality. Biden is by no means perfect and will most likely be an average president, but he at least doesn't seek to divide, name call, play victim, deny science, blatantly lie constantly, spew unfounded conspiracies, treat women like dirt, etc.

    I'm sorry, who needs to extend an olive branch here?
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • jerparker20
    jerparker20 St. Paul, MN Posts: 2,529
    MayDay10 said:
    If people can admit that Donald Trump was a terrible idea, does nothing but bring out the worst in us, and basically has shown zero ability or even willingness to lead, then I think a reasonable olive branch can be forged and discussion can be had.  Outside of fringe 'news' sources, the damage this fool is doing is clear as day.

    If we are still defending Trump through all this, along with hiding behind boogeymen and conspiracy theories like "radical leftists"... then the bridge is still too far.  Stay with the cletuses.
    +1
  • cblock4life
    cblock4life Posts: 1,855
    And don’t give Biden a chance. Who cares? And if dems are offering olive branches it’s because that’s how we are. The people offering you them probably are hoping you don’t accept it, faking it like all the republicans have done about their disgust for minorities for hundreds of years. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,472
    edited November 2020
    I have never voted for the racist far-right party in Sweden so maybe I am naive, maybe it is harder to not support xenophobia, racism, transphobia, climate change denying than I thought and have been brought up to believe.

    Was my childhood to sheltered...
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  • cblock4life
    cblock4life Posts: 1,855
    mattsl1983 said:
    Many of you, especially reading your posts, took some sort of unearned moral stance and just slammed people like me.  Nick names like Trumpsters, treason trumptards, etc etc based all based on some moral ground you claimed to have but did nothing, absolutely nothing to earn.  But all of a sudden felt the need and the right to state your unearned morality to bash and take shots every chance y’all had.  Mob rule is the science behind it, but what now?  Where does this mob go from here?
    Well your mob marched with guns and tore BLM posters down on Saturday. And my morality was and continues to be EARNED everyday that I don’t act like a republican. And if I have to hear or read what you and the main pig has said and written for four years then yes I have the right to verbally express my opinions as LOUD as possible. I think you made a mistake posting this question because as deaths rise and infections spread because YOUR leader LIED and as more and more legal issues get filed and learned about the legacy of your leader will continue to worsen. Just the fact that your leader didn’t file taxes for ten years should be enough for republicans to hate him...but if grabbing women’s parts isn’t enough to hate him then maybe it’s time you look in the mirror. 
    I’m done taking bullshit from trump supporters and your playbook you all use for responses.  I call assholes who don’t wear a mask in public what they are....assholes and if they dare say anything back I really get loud - I’m done being politically correct. 
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Good morning, Monday morning :lol:

    This shit’ll never end! Whether here in this microcosm or out in the big bad world. 

    It’s what I know, what I expect, what I embrace, dammit.
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,420
    edited November 2020
    You clearly supported and still support an openly racist "president", an openly racist regime with openly racist and xenophobic policies.

    When you support a racist in any way shape or form,  including voting,  that makes you a racist as well. 

    You want an olive branch? How about you stand up and admit how wrong it was to support the most corrupt, the biggest liar, the most homophobic, misogynistic, racist, xenophobic, and anti-american "president" ever.

    Now explain how you can openly support such a hideous inhumane person and regime and yet claim support for an openly Liberal Democrat supporting band?
    Seems hypocritical. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,472
    edited November 2020
    hedonist said:
    Good morning, Monday morning :lol:

    This shit’ll never end! Whether here in this microcosm or out in the big bad world. 

    It’s what I know, what I expect, what I embrace, dammit.
    So are you team unapologetic Trump-voter?
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    hedonist said:
    Good morning, Monday morning :lol:

    This shit’ll never end! Whether here in this microcosm or out in the big bad world. 

    It’s what I know, what I expect, what I embrace, dammit.
    So are you team Trump-voter?
    How the fuck you extrapolated that from what I wrote, I have no clue.

    Language issue perhaps?
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,430
    why people continue to indulge certain posters I'll never know.
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,890
    edited November 2020
    mattsl1983 said:
    I vote Republican.  I've been called everything from a Nazi to a KKK member for the past four years.  I've been labeled the scum of the earth according to some of your contemporaries based on my voting choice.  Some of you and your contemporaries never understood that it wasn't about embracing Trump, but it was a rejection of overreaching leftist ideas.  But after four years in which I've seen a president taken out of context, heard about Russia for four years, heard how terrible and uneducated we all must be, and have been demonized; but now I'm supposed to pretend like you are my friends and we are going to move forward?  How does that work?  I say Biden won, I don't buy into any conspiracy theory.  Just like I don't think most democrats want to defund the police.  But why, after four years should people like me all of a sudden welcome any olive branch from the same people that were beyond divisive from day one and constantly lumped me into every negative category they could think of?  I honestly ask why?
    Simply put, if your voting choice is a "rejection of overreaching leftist ideas", look at Biden's record.
    The man is not a far left socialist as Trump tried to paint him.
    He has always been very close to the middle, obviously with a bit of a leftward lean. He has also had a history of working across the aisle. So that would be why you should consider giving him a chance.
    He's not a "radical leftist", no matter how many times Trump said he was. 
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  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,225
    mickeyrat said:
    why people continue to indulge certain posters I'll never know.
    Why certain posters continue to indulge AMT is equally as confusing to me. 
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    PJNB said:
    mattsl1983 said:
    I vote Republican.  I've been called everything from a Nazi to a KKK member for the past four years.  I've been labeled the scum of the earth according to some of your contemporaries based on my voting choice.  Some of you and your contemporaries never understood that it wasn't about embracing Trump, but it was a rejection of overreaching leftist ideas.  But after four years in which I've seen a president taken out of context, heard about Russia for four years, heard how terrible and uneducated we all must be, and have been demonized; but now I'm supposed to pretend like you are my friends and we are going to move forward?  How does that work?  I say Biden won, I don't buy into any conspiracy theory.  Just like I don't think most democrats want to defund the police.  But why, after four years should people like me all of a sudden welcome any olive branch from the same people that were beyond divisive from day one and constantly lumped me into every negative category they could think of?  I honestly ask why?
    Where was the olive branch extended from you to the left for the last 4 years? If the right did not extend one why are you expecting one from the left?

    Right.  The administration literally demonized me every day.  Not the followers,* but Trump himself, the GOP, and many GOP personnel. For the last four years, the primary enemy in America has not only been our own countrymen/women, but nearly half of us.  The left. The media. The "experts." Trump's true genius is in getting his devotees to feel like victims. And now you're acting like one.

    *Well the followers, too and even worse, but my point was that at least Biden's not going to demonize you. Do you think the left is the enemy of America? If not, you might be in the minority.

    Look, you said it yourself, most Democrats don't want to defund the police.  Jackasses on twitter calling everyone nazis has nothing to do with Biden and nothing to do with the way very many Americans behave.  Get over it. Some people are jerks. If we want the country to come together we have to stop thinking of so many of our own residents as the enemy.  The left is the enemy right now, almost in an official way. If Biden is inaugurated, the "officialness" goes down but Trumpism is alive and well and it thrives on domestic enemies. To the loudest conservatives, I will remain the enemy just like to the loudest liberals, you'll remain a racist.  Big deal. Stop acting like a victim. You're not.

    The United States is probably as divided as it's ever been...certainly in any of our lifetimes. But if you choose to try to continue that divide because a few people called you names, then you're doing just that, choosing to remain divided.
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  • cblock4life
    cblock4life Posts: 1,855
    mattsl1983 said:
    I vote Republican.  I've been called everything from a Nazi to a KKK member for the past four years.  I've been labeled the scum of the earth according to some of your contemporaries based on my voting choice.  Some of you and your contemporaries never understood that it wasn't about embracing Trump, but it was a rejection of overreaching leftist ideas.  But after four years in which I've seen a president taken out of context, heard about Russia for four years, heard how terrible and uneducated we all must be, and have been demonized; but now I'm supposed to pretend like you are my friends and we are going to move forward?  How does that work?  I say Biden won, I don't buy into any conspiracy theory.  Just like I don't think most democrats want to defund the police.  But why, after four years should people like me all of a sudden welcome any olive branch from the same people that were beyond divisive from day one and constantly lumped me into every negative category they could think of?  I honestly ask why?
    A lot of people have answered your question so here’s a question for you....when I purposely act like trump around republicans or on forums (not this one) and I end up getting called on it I ask why is it ok for trump to act the way he does but no one else can? Totally baffling to me and not one republican has yet to answer me, only to say that’s trump being trump, so why can’t it be me acting like me without a comment? Not one republican can answer any other way then what’s in the play book - trump being trump. 
    So any answer from you? I can’t call you a trumpster but trump can call women dogs, etc. so what’s the deal? 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,472
    edited November 2020
    mattsl1983 said:
    I vote Republican.  I've been called everything from a Nazi to a KKK member for the past four years.  I've been labeled the scum of the earth according to some of your contemporaries based on my voting choice.  Some of you and your contemporaries never understood that it wasn't about embracing Trump, but it was a rejection of overreaching leftist ideas.  But after four years in which I've seen a president taken out of context, heard about Russia for four years, heard how terrible and uneducated we all must be, and have been demonized; but now I'm supposed to pretend like you are my friends and we are going to move forward?  How does that work?  I say Biden won, I don't buy into any conspiracy theory.  Just like I don't think most democrats want to defund the police.  But why, after four years should people like me all of a sudden welcome any olive branch from the same people that were beyond divisive from day one and constantly lumped me into every negative category they could think of?  I honestly ask why?
    Here is what you willingly voted for.




    VS 

    "Overreaching leftist ideas"



    Similarly, several reports have listed Scandinavian and other social-democratic countries as ranking high on indicators such as civil liberties,[493] democracy,[494] press,[495] labour and economic freedoms,[496] peace[497] and freedom from corruption.[498] Numerous studies and surveys indicate that people tend to live happier lives in countries ruled by social-democratic parties, compared to countries ruled by neoliberal, centrist and right-wing governments.[499]

    So, overreaching leftist ideas - freedom from corruption and citizens being happy

    Goodguy Trump with his non-reaching rightist ideas - finally some needed corruption and miserable people?




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  • cblock4life
    cblock4life Posts: 1,855
    The fact that trump still hasn’t acted like an adult and conceded or been forced to proves that all republicans in all departments of government are gutless pukes. There you go, a new name for those who don’t have the balls to face the pig in office or answer our questions...gutless pukes
  • lastexitlondon
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    Just those  tweets alone anger me. This is baby donny never told no by mummy.
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  • Gern Blansten
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    mattsl1983 said:
    I vote Republican.  I've been called everything from a Nazi to a KKK member for the past four years.  I've been labeled the scum of the earth according to some of your contemporaries based on my voting choice.  Some of you and your contemporaries never understood that it wasn't about embracing Trump, but it was a rejection of overreaching leftist ideas.  But after four years in which I've seen a president taken out of context, heard about Russia for four years, heard how terrible and uneducated we all must be, and have been demonized; but now I'm supposed to pretend like you are my friends and we are going to move forward?  How does that work?  I say Biden won, I don't buy into any conspiracy theory.  Just like I don't think most democrats want to defund the police.  But why, after four years should people like me all of a sudden welcome any olive branch from the same people that were beyond divisive from day one and constantly lumped me into every negative category they could think of?  I honestly ask why?
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    edited November 2020
    the same reason we should be asking where was the olive branch when we were being called snowflakes, fuck your feelings, terrorists, thugs, communists, baby murderers, and the like?

    it does go both ways. 

    I don't know which thread it was in, but i posted yesterday or the day before that i personally don't believe in mass-labelling. it's not necessarily about extending an olive branch to those across the aisle from you, at this point, it might be more effective to deal with your own house of dicks and stop them from being so fucking ignorant and angry at "the other side". i try to do that. i do it here, and i do it in analog life. 

    opposing sides won't listen to each other anymore. it's going to take the reasonable people on each side to calm down their own. 
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    edited November 2020
    mattsl1983 said:
    I vote Republican.  I've been called everything from a Nazi to a KKK member for the past four years.  I've been labeled the scum of the earth according to some of your contemporaries based on my voting choice.  Some of you and your contemporaries never understood that it wasn't about embracing Trump, but it was a rejection of overreaching leftist ideas.  But after four years in which I've seen a president taken out of context, heard about Russia for four years, heard how terrible and uneducated we all must be, and have been demonized; but now I'm supposed to pretend like you are my friends and we are going to move forward?  How does that work?  I say Biden won, I don't buy into any conspiracy theory.  Just like I don't think most democrats want to defund the police.  But why, after four years should people like me all of a sudden welcome any olive branch from the same people that were beyond divisive from day one and constantly lumped me into every negative category they could think of?  I honestly ask why?

    I could barely get past the "it wasn't about embracing Trump, but it was a rejection of overreaching leftist ideas" part.  You, like so many Republicans these days, are clueless about what "leftist ideas" are.  Do you have any idea how few people in America are truly "leftist"?   This is right up there with the nonsense of people calling Biden "a socialist".  Educate yourself, young man or woman (sorry I don't know which you are).

    "Uneducated"?   You said it and have proven it.

    And what's this nonsense about "most Democrats want to defund the police"?  Again, clueless and or/ inflammatory language.  Get real.
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