Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez

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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,072
    Sounds like both sides are urging a purge based on the above post’s headline and this one...both are the worst kind of wrong in my opinion (I realize a purge of Trump supporters will be very popular in this district, lol).

    https://nypost.com/2020/11/06/aoc-facing-heat-for-wanting-to-archive-posts-by-trump-sycophants/

    Edit: I misread the headline I referenced, is Scarborough (ironically the name of the suburb I live in, lol) a conservative or liberal? I thought he was on the con side.
    Sounds to me she just wants to make sure people can’t run away from their associations with trump come reelection time. Not a purge. Just to hold them accountable.
    Scio me nihil scire

    There are no kings inside the gates of eden
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879

    Joe Scarborough Begs Democrats To Purge The Left

    https://youtu.be/qncn07xwsXw

    If the country isn't essentially down the middle,  why is Biden president,  after defeating handily his challengers in the party?
  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 2,983
    static111 said:
    Sounds like both sides are urging a purge based on the above post’s headline and this one...both are the worst kind of wrong in my opinion (I realize a purge of Trump supporters will be very popular in this district, lol).

    https://nypost.com/2020/11/06/aoc-facing-heat-for-wanting-to-archive-posts-by-trump-sycophants/

    Edit: I misread the headline I referenced, is Scarborough (ironically the name of the suburb I live in, lol) a conservative or liberal? I thought he was on the con side.
    Sounds to me she just wants to make sure people can’t run away from their associations with trump come reelection time. Not a purge. Just to hold them accountable.
    I read a couple articles about it and it sounds very vigilante to me with a lack of clarity in her suggestion and an idea rife with the potential to be misused (blackballing Trump supporters has been suggested), I guess. It will do nothing to bring people together which is what’s most needed in this moment. Hopefully Biden or Pelosi or someone can reel in AOC.
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

    10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,072
    static111 said:
    Sounds like both sides are urging a purge based on the above post’s headline and this one...both are the worst kind of wrong in my opinion (I realize a purge of Trump supporters will be very popular in this district, lol).

    https://nypost.com/2020/11/06/aoc-facing-heat-for-wanting-to-archive-posts-by-trump-sycophants/

    Edit: I misread the headline I referenced, is Scarborough (ironically the name of the suburb I live in, lol) a conservative or liberal? I thought he was on the con side.
    Sounds to me she just wants to make sure people can’t run away from their associations with trump come reelection time. Not a purge. Just to hold them accountable.
    I read a couple articles about it and it sounds very vigilante to me with a lack of clarity in her suggestion and an idea rife with the potential to be misused (blackballing Trump supporters has been suggested), I guess. It will do nothing to bring people together which is what’s most needed in this moment. Hopefully Biden or Pelosi or someone can reel in AOC.
    And why shouldn’t hateful racist trump supporters be blackballed?  
    Scio me nihil scire

    There are no kings inside the gates of eden
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,072
    edited November 2020
    mrussel1 said:

    Joe Scarborough Begs Democrats To Purge The Left

    https://youtu.be/qncn07xwsXw

    If the country isn't essentially down the middle,  why is Biden president,  after defeating handily his challengers in the party?
    Chuck Shumer is reportedly floating 50k of student loan forgiveness.  That’s pretty progressive.  I don’t buy the centrist argument.  It’s more like half of t he country is full on ready for facist authoritarianism, and the other half got together to stop the threat.  It looks like a lot of the people that were disengaged and disaffected left voters got together because this was a referendum on trump and against fascism.  Uniting the Dem party doesn’t have to be about purging the left, because you lose those votes.  It can be about compromising with the left , getting more progressive, helping to find better language to use when speaking of defunding the police etc. if uniting the democrat party means fall in line or purge the left I don’t see that as winning elections especially with a growing progressive movement within the party.  I mean joe certainly has moved left over the course of this election and I’m very happy with that. The future of the democrat party is young and multicultural and progressive. We don’t want to go setting a generation up to be disaffected with politics because we are in such a hurry to heal the wounds and reach across the aisle to a party that enabled and profited from a dangerous racist ego maniac.  That’s my take.
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    static111 said:
    Sounds like both sides are urging a purge based on the above post’s headline and this one...both are the worst kind of wrong in my opinion (I realize a purge of Trump supporters will be very popular in this district, lol).

    https://nypost.com/2020/11/06/aoc-facing-heat-for-wanting-to-archive-posts-by-trump-sycophants/

    Edit: I misread the headline I referenced, is Scarborough (ironically the name of the suburb I live in, lol) a conservative or liberal? I thought he was on the con side.
    Sounds to me she just wants to make sure people can’t run away from their associations with trump come reelection time. Not a purge. Just to hold them accountable.
    Right. Document their positions to hold them accountable when they do a 180. I have plenty of disagreement with AOC, but I understand her point here.
  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 2,983
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    Sounds like both sides are urging a purge based on the above post’s headline and this one...both are the worst kind of wrong in my opinion (I realize a purge of Trump supporters will be very popular in this district, lol).

    https://nypost.com/2020/11/06/aoc-facing-heat-for-wanting-to-archive-posts-by-trump-sycophants/

    Edit: I misread the headline I referenced, is Scarborough (ironically the name of the suburb I live in, lol) a conservative or liberal? I thought he was on the con side.
    Sounds to me she just wants to make sure people can’t run away from their associations with trump come reelection time. Not a purge. Just to hold them accountable.
    I read a couple articles about it and it sounds very vigilante to me with a lack of clarity in her suggestion and an idea rife with the potential to be misused (blackballing Trump supporters has been suggested), I guess. It will do nothing to bring people together which is what’s most needed in this moment. Hopefully Biden or Pelosi or someone can reel in AOC.
    And why shouldn’t hateful racist trump supporters be blackballed?  
    I don’t know which side of my values this springs from, but making lists like this isn’t that many steps removed from setting up camps for the people on the list (in my opinion, obviously). And when the coin (inevitably) flips then the other side tends to take their turn at rounding people up.

    That said, if actual crimes were committed, then it’s the place of the legal authorities to investigate and prosecute, which can blackball people from many jobs via a criminal record. As we all know, destruction of evidence is a crime, and nothing on the internet truly disappears.

    As I said before this will only exacerbate the division, not unify, which Biden claims is his goal.

    And just for full disclosure and clarity, I’m posting safely north of the U.S. border.
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

    10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    Sounds like both sides are urging a purge based on the above post’s headline and this one...both are the worst kind of wrong in my opinion (I realize a purge of Trump supporters will be very popular in this district, lol).

    https://nypost.com/2020/11/06/aoc-facing-heat-for-wanting-to-archive-posts-by-trump-sycophants/

    Edit: I misread the headline I referenced, is Scarborough (ironically the name of the suburb I live in, lol) a conservative or liberal? I thought he was on the con side.
    Sounds to me she just wants to make sure people can’t run away from their associations with trump come reelection time. Not a purge. Just to hold them accountable.
    I read a couple articles about it and it sounds very vigilante to me with a lack of clarity in her suggestion and an idea rife with the potential to be misused (blackballing Trump supporters has been suggested), I guess. It will do nothing to bring people together which is what’s most needed in this moment. Hopefully Biden or Pelosi or someone can reel in AOC.
    And why shouldn’t hateful racist trump supporters be blackballed?  
    I don’t know which side of my values this springs from, but making lists like this isn’t that many steps removed from setting up camps for the people on the list (in my opinion, obviously). And when the coin (inevitably) flips then the other side tends to take their turn at rounding people up.

    That said, if actual crimes were committed, then it’s the place of the legal authorities to investigate and prosecute, which can blackball people from many jobs via a criminal record. As we all know, destruction of evidence is a crime, and nothing on the internet truly disappears.

    As I said before this will only exacerbate the division, not unify, which Biden claims is his goal.

    And just for full disclosure and clarity, I’m posting safely north of the U.S. border.
    Taking note of someone's public statements is many, many steps removed from setting up camps
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    Republicans are just a weird cult now
  • static111 said:
    Sounds like both sides are urging a purge based on the above post’s headline and this one...both are the worst kind of wrong in my opinion (I realize a purge of Trump supporters will be very popular in this district, lol).

    https://nypost.com/2020/11/06/aoc-facing-heat-for-wanting-to-archive-posts-by-trump-sycophants/

    Edit: I misread the headline I referenced, is Scarborough (ironically the name of the suburb I live in, lol) a conservative or liberal? I thought he was on the con side.
    He’s a republican
    And clearly delusional from what I witnessed of him the other night. Good fucking gwad.
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  • static111 said:
    static111 said:
    Sounds like both sides are urging a purge based on the above post’s headline and this one...both are the worst kind of wrong in my opinion (I realize a purge of Trump supporters will be very popular in this district, lol).

    https://nypost.com/2020/11/06/aoc-facing-heat-for-wanting-to-archive-posts-by-trump-sycophants/

    Edit: I misread the headline I referenced, is Scarborough (ironically the name of the suburb I live in, lol) a conservative or liberal? I thought he was on the con side.
    Sounds to me she just wants to make sure people can’t run away from their associations with trump come reelection time. Not a purge. Just to hold them accountable.
    I read a couple articles about it and it sounds very vigilante to me with a lack of clarity in her suggestion and an idea rife with the potential to be misused (blackballing Trump supporters has been suggested), I guess. It will do nothing to bring people together which is what’s most needed in this moment. Hopefully Biden or Pelosi or someone can reel in AOC.
    And why shouldn’t hateful racist trump supporters be blackballed?  
    I don’t know which side of my values this springs from, but making lists like this isn’t that many steps removed from setting up camps for the people on the list (in my opinion, obviously). And when the coin (inevitably) flips then the other side tends to take their turn at rounding people up.

    That said, if actual crimes were committed, then it’s the place of the legal authorities to investigate and prosecute, which can blackball people from many jobs via a criminal record. As we all know, destruction of evidence is a crime, and nothing on the internet truly disappears.

    As I said before this will only exacerbate the division, not unify, which Biden claims is his goal.

    And just for full disclosure and clarity, I’m posting safely north of the U.S. border.
    Is FEMA back in business? Wal-Mart is standing by! They’re all connected underground! So too are Whole Foods.
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  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 2,983
    pjl44 said:
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    Sounds like both sides are urging a purge based on the above post’s headline and this one...both are the worst kind of wrong in my opinion (I realize a purge of Trump supporters will be very popular in this district, lol).

    https://nypost.com/2020/11/06/aoc-facing-heat-for-wanting-to-archive-posts-by-trump-sycophants/

    Edit: I misread the headline I referenced, is Scarborough (ironically the name of the suburb I live in, lol) a conservative or liberal? I thought he was on the con side.
    Sounds to me she just wants to make sure people can’t run away from their associations with trump come reelection time. Not a purge. Just to hold them accountable.
    I read a couple articles about it and it sounds very vigilante to me with a lack of clarity in her suggestion and an idea rife with the potential to be misused (blackballing Trump supporters has been suggested), I guess. It will do nothing to bring people together which is what’s most needed in this moment. Hopefully Biden or Pelosi or someone can reel in AOC.
    And why shouldn’t hateful racist trump supporters be blackballed?  
    I don’t know which side of my values this springs from, but making lists like this isn’t that many steps removed from setting up camps for the people on the list (in my opinion, obviously). And when the coin (inevitably) flips then the other side tends to take their turn at rounding people up.

    That said, if actual crimes were committed, then it’s the place of the legal authorities to investigate and prosecute, which can blackball people from many jobs via a criminal record. As we all know, destruction of evidence is a crime, and nothing on the internet truly disappears.

    As I said before this will only exacerbate the division, not unify, which Biden claims is his goal.

    And just for full disclosure and clarity, I’m posting safely north of the U.S. border.
    Taking note of someone's public statements is many, many steps removed from setting up camps
    I agree, the list may be removed from the camps, but it’s one of the first steps in that direction historically. In a free and open democracy lists like this are downright offensive and will set a very, very bad precedent. This like some weird mix of Stalin meets McCarthy.

    The standard I usually try to employ is “if the other person does it, is it ok?” In this case I might find myself on AOC’s list, but I implore everyone to try my exercise asking if the Republicans had won and a senator wanted to archive materials posted by their opponents to use against them, would it be acceptable? I honestly can’t tell if my question’s rhetorical or not, lol.
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

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  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 2,983
    In reference to the Trump Accountability Project (there’s apparently 2, not the one associated with GLAAD), when they talk of not letting people that worked in the administration into “polite society”, that’s flat-out stupid, I’m sorry (though I expect it’s an idea that will have traction on these boards).
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    pjl44 said:
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    Sounds like both sides are urging a purge based on the above post’s headline and this one...both are the worst kind of wrong in my opinion (I realize a purge of Trump supporters will be very popular in this district, lol).

    https://nypost.com/2020/11/06/aoc-facing-heat-for-wanting-to-archive-posts-by-trump-sycophants/

    Edit: I misread the headline I referenced, is Scarborough (ironically the name of the suburb I live in, lol) a conservative or liberal? I thought he was on the con side.
    Sounds to me she just wants to make sure people can’t run away from their associations with trump come reelection time. Not a purge. Just to hold them accountable.
    I read a couple articles about it and it sounds very vigilante to me with a lack of clarity in her suggestion and an idea rife with the potential to be misused (blackballing Trump supporters has been suggested), I guess. It will do nothing to bring people together which is what’s most needed in this moment. Hopefully Biden or Pelosi or someone can reel in AOC.
    And why shouldn’t hateful racist trump supporters be blackballed?  
    I don’t know which side of my values this springs from, but making lists like this isn’t that many steps removed from setting up camps for the people on the list (in my opinion, obviously). And when the coin (inevitably) flips then the other side tends to take their turn at rounding people up.

    That said, if actual crimes were committed, then it’s the place of the legal authorities to investigate and prosecute, which can blackball people from many jobs via a criminal record. As we all know, destruction of evidence is a crime, and nothing on the internet truly disappears.

    As I said before this will only exacerbate the division, not unify, which Biden claims is his goal.

    And just for full disclosure and clarity, I’m posting safely north of the U.S. border.
    Taking note of someone's public statements is many, many steps removed from setting up camps
    I agree, the list may be removed from the camps, but it’s one of the first steps in that direction historically. In a free and open democracy lists like this are downright offensive and will set a very, very bad precedent. This like some weird mix of Stalin meets McCarthy.

    The standard I usually try to employ is “if the other person does it, is it ok?” In this case I might find myself on AOC’s list, but I implore everyone to try my exercise asking if the Republicans had won and a senator wanted to archive materials posted by their opponents to use against them, would it be acceptable? I honestly can’t tell if my question’s rhetorical or not, lol.
    Here's an example: I used to be generally supportive of Rand Paul. He's said and done some weird shit, with an endorsement of Roy Moore being right up there with the weirdest shit. I want people to document that and take him to task for it, mostly because it is so disappointing. That is not a slippery slope toward putting him in a camp.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    Holding politicians accountable is not Stalinism
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,072
    pjl44 said:
    Holding politicians accountable is not Stalinism
    Agreed it is often the route to positive long lasting change!
    Scio me nihil scire

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  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 2,983
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    Sounds like both sides are urging a purge based on the above post’s headline and this one...both are the worst kind of wrong in my opinion (I realize a purge of Trump supporters will be very popular in this district, lol).

    https://nypost.com/2020/11/06/aoc-facing-heat-for-wanting-to-archive-posts-by-trump-sycophants/

    Edit: I misread the headline I referenced, is Scarborough (ironically the name of the suburb I live in, lol) a conservative or liberal? I thought he was on the con side.
    Sounds to me she just wants to make sure people can’t run away from their associations with trump come reelection time. Not a purge. Just to hold them accountable.
    I read a couple articles about it and it sounds very vigilante to me with a lack of clarity in her suggestion and an idea rife with the potential to be misused (blackballing Trump supporters has been suggested), I guess. It will do nothing to bring people together which is what’s most needed in this moment. Hopefully Biden or Pelosi or someone can reel in AOC.
    And why shouldn’t hateful racist trump supporters be blackballed?  
    I don’t know which side of my values this springs from, but making lists like this isn’t that many steps removed from setting up camps for the people on the list (in my opinion, obviously). And when the coin (inevitably) flips then the other side tends to take their turn at rounding people up.

    That said, if actual crimes were committed, then it’s the place of the legal authorities to investigate and prosecute, which can blackball people from many jobs via a criminal record. As we all know, destruction of evidence is a crime, and nothing on the internet truly disappears.

    As I said before this will only exacerbate the division, not unify, which Biden claims is his goal.

    And just for full disclosure and clarity, I’m posting safely north of the U.S. border.
    Taking note of someone's public statements is many, many steps removed from setting up camps
    I agree, the list may be removed from the camps, but it’s one of the first steps in that direction historically. In a free and open democracy lists like this are downright offensive and will set a very, very bad precedent. This like some weird mix of Stalin meets McCarthy.

    The standard I usually try to employ is “if the other person does it, is it ok?” In this case I might find myself on AOC’s list, but I implore everyone to try my exercise asking if the Republicans had won and a senator wanted to archive materials posted by their opponents to use against them, would it be acceptable? I honestly can’t tell if my question’s rhetorical or not, lol.
    Here's an example: I used to be generally supportive of Rand Paul. He's said and done some weird shit, with an endorsement of Roy Moore being right up there with the weirdest shit. I want people to document that and take him to task for it, mostly because it is so disappointing. That is not a slippery slope toward putting him in a camp.
    In your case I wouldn’t necessarily be against keeping track of Paul’s statements for one simple reason: he chose to enter politics and has therefore chosen to become a public figure. But that doesn’t seem to be what AOC is calling for. It sounds like she wants everyday citizens in her archives/on her list, and when I scrolled through her twitter feed earlier didn’t see anything by way of clarification on that front. If I was on the platform I might try and ask her what she meant, I’ll try the 2 social media sites I am on and post any reply here.
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Holding politicians accountable is not Stalinism
    Agreed it is often the route to positive long lasting change!
    100%. You don't need to be a DSA member to understand that a vast swath of Republicans are gonna try to run away from their Trumpy positions once it's no longer politically expedient. 
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    Sounds like both sides are urging a purge based on the above post’s headline and this one...both are the worst kind of wrong in my opinion (I realize a purge of Trump supporters will be very popular in this district, lol).

    https://nypost.com/2020/11/06/aoc-facing-heat-for-wanting-to-archive-posts-by-trump-sycophants/

    Edit: I misread the headline I referenced, is Scarborough (ironically the name of the suburb I live in, lol) a conservative or liberal? I thought he was on the con side.
    Sounds to me she just wants to make sure people can’t run away from their associations with trump come reelection time. Not a purge. Just to hold them accountable.
    I read a couple articles about it and it sounds very vigilante to me with a lack of clarity in her suggestion and an idea rife with the potential to be misused (blackballing Trump supporters has been suggested), I guess. It will do nothing to bring people together which is what’s most needed in this moment. Hopefully Biden or Pelosi or someone can reel in AOC.
    And why shouldn’t hateful racist trump supporters be blackballed?  
    I don’t know which side of my values this springs from, but making lists like this isn’t that many steps removed from setting up camps for the people on the list (in my opinion, obviously). And when the coin (inevitably) flips then the other side tends to take their turn at rounding people up.

    That said, if actual crimes were committed, then it’s the place of the legal authorities to investigate and prosecute, which can blackball people from many jobs via a criminal record. As we all know, destruction of evidence is a crime, and nothing on the internet truly disappears.

    As I said before this will only exacerbate the division, not unify, which Biden claims is his goal.

    And just for full disclosure and clarity, I’m posting safely north of the U.S. border.
    Taking note of someone's public statements is many, many steps removed from setting up camps
    I agree, the list may be removed from the camps, but it’s one of the first steps in that direction historically. In a free and open democracy lists like this are downright offensive and will set a very, very bad precedent. This like some weird mix of Stalin meets McCarthy.

    The standard I usually try to employ is “if the other person does it, is it ok?” In this case I might find myself on AOC’s list, but I implore everyone to try my exercise asking if the Republicans had won and a senator wanted to archive materials posted by their opponents to use against them, would it be acceptable? I honestly can’t tell if my question’s rhetorical or not, lol.
    Here's an example: I used to be generally supportive of Rand Paul. He's said and done some weird shit, with an endorsement of Roy Moore being right up there with the weirdest shit. I want people to document that and take him to task for it, mostly because it is so disappointing. That is not a slippery slope toward putting him in a camp.
    In your case I wouldn’t necessarily be against keeping track of Paul’s statements for one simple reason: he chose to enter politics and has therefore chosen to become a public figure. But that doesn’t seem to be what AOC is calling for. It sounds like she wants everyday citizens in her archives/on her list, and when I scrolled through her twitter feed earlier didn’t see anything by way of clarification on that front. If I was on the platform I might try and ask her what she meant, I’ll try the 2 social media sites I am on and post any reply here.
    It can be pundits, too. I don't know who would be trying to compile such a list of average joes or why.
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    pjl44 said:
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Holding politicians accountable is not Stalinism
    Agreed it is often the route to positive long lasting change!
    100%. You don't need to be a DSA member to understand that a vast swath of Republicans are gonna try to run away from their Trumpy positions once it's no longer politically expedient. 
    Not that there’s anything wrong with being a DSA member...
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