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    BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,538
    Now we have forced sterilization. Welcome to Amerikkka. Sieg Heil!

    From the NYT:

    • The Department of Homeland Security is investigating allegations that immigrant women detained at a privately run detention center in Georgia had their uteruses removed without their consent.
    I always wondered where Dr. Mengele ended up.
    Now we know.
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,816
    Now we have forced sterilization. Welcome to Amerikkka. Sieg Heil!

    From the NYT:

    • The Department of Homeland Security is investigating allegations that immigrant women detained at a privately run detention center in Georgia had their uteruses removed without their consent.
    what the fuck???
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    Now we have forced sterilization. Welcome to Amerikkka. Sieg Heil!

    From the NYT:

    • The Department of Homeland Security is investigating allegations that immigrant women detained at a privately run detention center in Georgia had their uteruses removed without their consent.
    what the fuck???
    wtf?????????? 

    Actually is still unbelievable for me to imagine this...even after all that has happened.
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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    It bothers Trump that some want Columbus Day changed to "Indigenous People's Day".  So I guess colonists who steal land and commit genocide are cool, but immigrants who come to the US to do jobs that no one else wants are the bad guys...sounds about right for the dummy.


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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,086
    It bothers Trump that some want Columbus Day changed to "Indigenous People's Day".  So I guess colonists who steal land and commit genocide are cool, but immigrants who come to the US to do jobs that no one else wants are the bad guys...sounds about right for the dummy.


    It would be terrific to have an actual reasoned discussion about a lot of this. I unfortunately the fucktards on the right and left have taken this over.  So now we want traitors statues up or we want to take down all statues of white people (strange no one want MLk down despite his womanizing ways). 

    Why the hell cant we figure out how to remove traitors and potentially some others and still not deface Abe Lincoln. Or take down GW (yes I k ow he was a save owner). I mean there has to be a balance right? Like I said we have streets named for people all over the country that are flawed I socials who still did amazing things.

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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,284
    Now we have forced sterilization. Welcome to Amerikkka. Sieg Heil!

    From the NYT:

    • The Department of Homeland Security is investigating allegations that immigrant women detained at a privately run detention center in Georgia had their uteruses removed without their consent.
    what the fuck???
    wtf?????????? 

    Actually is still unbelievable for me to imagine this...even after all that has happened.
    This was reported back at least a month or two ago! I’m not shocked at all specially with Nazi miller being the quarterback of the immigration policy team I’m surprised they haven’t begun to sterilize young men by now...
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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 8,994
    Why can’t we have both an indigenous people and a Columbus Day? The only pushback to an indigenous people day is getting rid of Columbus Day in the process. 
    If we stopped recognizing people who made important advances to our world because of personal flaws, we’d have no one to celebrate.
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,284
    I guess but I would only celebrate indigenous day anyway, Columbus screw him and the ship he sailed on..
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,086
    I guess but I would only celebrate indigenous day anyway, Columbus screw him and the ship he sailed on..
    That’s cool. But Columbus gave me a place to live and all the indigenous people did was make it a pain in the ass for my ancestors to set up shop! ;)

    There really has to be some level headed thinking on all this nonsense.
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,284
    I guess but I would only celebrate indigenous day anyway, Columbus screw him and the ship he sailed on..
    That’s cool. But Columbus gave me a place to live and all the indigenous people did was make it a pain in the ass for my ancestors to set up shop! ;)

    There really has to be some level headed thinking on all this nonsense.
    lol 
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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 8,994
    I guess but I would only celebrate indigenous day anyway, Columbus screw him and the ship he sailed on..
    Does anyone really celebrate comings day? Other than banks being closed, it’s pretty much just another day.
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,284
    mace1229 said:
    I guess but I would only celebrate indigenous day anyway, Columbus screw him and the ship he sailed on..
    Does anyone really celebrate comings day? Other than banks being closed, it’s pretty much just another day.
    My daughters school is closed tomorrow St Joe’s college here on Long Island.
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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 8,994
    mace1229 said:
    I guess but I would only celebrate indigenous day anyway, Columbus screw him and the ship he sailed on..
    Does anyone really celebrate comings day? Other than banks being closed, it’s pretty much just another day.
    My daughters school is closed tomorrow St Joe’s college here on Long Island.
    Must be an east coast thing. Haven’t had Columbus Day off since about 3rd grade. School districts here don’t even give Veterans Day off anymore. Really just MLK and Presidents’ Day, other than the big ones of Christmas and Thanksgiving.
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    Why bother?
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,086
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    I guess but I would only celebrate indigenous day anyway, Columbus screw him and the ship he sailed on..
    Does anyone really celebrate comings day? Other than banks being closed, it’s pretty much just another day.
    My daughters school is closed tomorrow St Joe’s college here on Long Island.
    Must be an east coast thing. Haven’t had Columbus Day off since about 3rd grade. School districts here don’t even give Veterans Day off anymore. Really just MLK and Presidents’ Day, other than the big ones of Christmas and Thanksgiving.
    Cincy area schools off today 
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    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    I guess but I would only celebrate indigenous day anyway, Columbus screw him and the ship he sailed on..
    Does anyone really celebrate comings day? Other than banks being closed, it’s pretty much just another day.
    My daughters school is closed tomorrow St Joe’s college here on Long Island.
    Must be an east coast thing. Haven’t had Columbus Day off since about 3rd grade. School districts here don’t even give Veterans Day off anymore. Really just MLK and Presidents’ Day, other than the big ones of Christmas and Thanksgiving.
    What about Memorial and Labor Days?
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,816
    I guess but I would only celebrate indigenous day anyway, Columbus screw him and the ship he sailed on..
    That’s cool. But Columbus gave me a place to live and all the indigenous people did was make it a pain in the ass for my ancestors to set up shop! ;)

    There really has to be some level headed thinking on all this nonsense.
    there have been an infinite amount of transgressions against other humans in order for you to exist. you can denounce all of them while still being allowed to live a happy life. imagine being the product of a rape. the child doesn't have to celebrate his biological father just because he gave him life. 
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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 8,994
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    I guess but I would only celebrate indigenous day anyway, Columbus screw him and the ship he sailed on..
    Does anyone really celebrate comings day? Other than banks being closed, it’s pretty much just another day.
    My daughters school is closed tomorrow St Joe’s college here on Long Island.
    Must be an east coast thing. Haven’t had Columbus Day off since about 3rd grade. School districts here don’t even give Veterans Day off anymore. Really just MLK and Presidents’ Day, other than the big ones of Christmas and Thanksgiving.
    What about Memorial and Labor Days?
    Forgot about Labor Day, we get that off. Most schools in the state end the weekend before Memorial Day, so doesn’t really apply. But I’m sure we would get it off if school was on.
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,284
    https://apple.news/AbSbPjhZ2S0SLayz6usPnIw
    All these kids without parents and this great administration can’t/won’t do anything to help them be reunited what a god damn shame! 

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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,284
    https://apple.news/Az0T2yUijRQaDXJOjvQGHAA
    More vile news about this administration’s immigrant policies! 

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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,284
    https://twitter.com/libertea2012/status/1334520153552289792?s=21
    Nazi Miller & his wife recently had a baby it’s unreal to me that they can celebrate that with this issue hanging over his head! 
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    BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,538
    https://twitter.com/libertea2012/status/1334520153552289792?s=21
    Nazi Miller & his wife recently had a baby it’s unreal to me that they can celebrate that with this issue hanging over his head! 
    He'll grow up to look like this...


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    https://twitter.com/libertea2012/status/1334520153552289792?s=21
    Nazi Miller & his wife recently had a baby it’s unreal to me that they can celebrate that with this issue hanging over his head! 
    Easy for the soulless.
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    Time to bump this thread seeing how the same old tropes are being tossed out there. Repubs are against immigration, both legal and illegal, unless the immigrants are from white, European nations, because of the threat to their white power structure, all the while exploiting both to enrich themselves. You want to end illegal immigration? Prosecute big business owners that hire them. But be prepared to pay $10.00 for a head of lettuce or two and half times for that McMansion in that fancy schmancy new suburb going up in those cow pastures on the outskirts of town.

    Its been proven time and time again that immigration, both legal and illegal, is a net win for the US. Do some research.
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    Time to bump this thread seeing how the same old tropes are being tossed out there. Repubs are against immigration, both legal and illegal, unless the immigrants are from white, European nations, because of the threat to their white power structure, all the while exploiting both to enrich themselves. You want to end illegal immigration? Prosecute big business owners that hire them. But be prepared to pay $10.00 for a head of lettuce or two and half times for that McMansion in that fancy schmancy new suburb going up in those cow pastures on the outskirts of town.

    Its been proven time and time again that immigration, both legal and illegal, is a net win for the US. Do some research.
    Or you can still use "transient" workers on a visa so they can still pick my lettuce cheaply.
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    Time to bump this thread seeing how the same old tropes are being tossed out there. Repubs are against immigration, both legal and illegal, unless the immigrants are from white, European nations, because of the threat to their white power structure, all the while exploiting both to enrich themselves. You want to end illegal immigration? Prosecute big business owners that hire them. But be prepared to pay $10.00 for a head of lettuce or two and half times for that McMansion in that fancy schmancy new suburb going up in those cow pastures on the outskirts of town.

    Its been proven time and time again that immigration, both legal and illegal, is a net win for the US. Do some research.
    Or you can still use "transient" workers on a visa so they can still pick my lettuce cheaply.
    As it should be but you still need to hold large agribusiness operators accountable for hiring illegals and treating their employees like shit (living and working conditions, etc.). Increase the number of visas for migrant labor and speed up the process by which they're approved and hold businesses accountable. Immigration reform hasn't happened since 1986. It needs to be bi-partisan but you know, "the other." 
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    Time to bump this thread seeing how the same old tropes are being tossed out there. Repubs are against immigration, both legal and illegal, unless the immigrants are from white, European nations, because of the threat to their white power structure, all the while exploiting both to enrich themselves. You want to end illegal immigration? Prosecute big business owners that hire them. But be prepared to pay $10.00 for a head of lettuce or two and half times for that McMansion in that fancy schmancy new suburb going up in those cow pastures on the outskirts of town.

    Its been proven time and time again that immigration, both legal and illegal, is a net win for the US. Do some research.
    Or you can still use "transient" workers on a visa so they can still pick my lettuce cheaply.
    As it should be but you still need to hold large agribusiness operators accountable for hiring illegals and treating their employees like shit (living and working conditions, etc.). Increase the number of visas for migrant labor and speed up the process by which they're approved and hold businesses accountable. Immigration reform hasn't happened since 1986. It needs to be bi-partisan but you know, "the other." 
    I can remember Bush putting forth regulations for that and then raids happening along the border at Chicken plants.  The legislation was supposed to penalize business' for hiring such people.  I  don't think it was ever enforced though?  I'm going off of memory without being a google master here.

    I also remember having conversations with conservatives that were ok with hiring day laborers that were illegal.  Same conversation about them frequenting restaurants that hire cooks and dishwashers that are also illegal.  They seemed ok with that too.  Where they had heartache, and I do too, is prevailing wage jobs where this happens.  It is a big problem in NY where the big residential projects went to non union and the local workers get shut out.

    In reality neither side gives a shit about actually coming to terms with immigration policy.  Zero bipartisanship is being exemplified.
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,725
    What the heck is going on at the southern border?
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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 8,994
    I was curious how long it would be before this thread was active again. 
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,725
    mace1229 said:
    I was curious how long it would be before this thread was active again. 
    Well at this point even NBC editorials are calling it a “crisis” so it’s not like the people that may want dismiss it as a right-wing talking point can even call it that.


    And here’s one from the Wall Street Journal: 

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