Anyone here tried this new thing called "jogging" ?

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  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,809
    Good work!
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  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    mcgruff10 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Not sure on incremental gains....think with low mileage you can probably go up a quarter mile or so each time until you are uncomfortable and then stay there for a while.
    Will do!  Thanks for the advice.  

    You might want to try out a "Couch to 5K" training plan -- you aren't sedentary, but such a plan would help you build your distance/ time on your feet without risking injury or making the experience so unpleasant that you give up. You might be able to skip the earliest phase of such a plan. Keep in mind though that a common rule of thumb is to increase your mileage by ten percent/week. So, just as you wouldn't go from squatting with just the bar to throwing on 300 lbs....
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  • GlowGirl
    GlowGirl New York, NY Posts: 12,079
    F Me In The Brain said:
    GlowGirl said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Nice!
    That is a good pace, try to extend the distance vs getting faster one mile times.....work that heart!
    That is what I have been doing over the past few months. I have been increasing my distance to almost double - but my average time per mile is basically the same. Now that I found a distance I want to stay at for a while, I will try harder to increase the time.


    The distance improvement is impressive!
    Thanks. But I am constantly amazed by your distance and some of the other long distance runners on here. 7 miles for me is a huge effort, so when I hear 15 miles or 18 miles I am so impressed by that.

  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,809
    Just a matter of putting in the miles to work up to it.  Went 13 miles this morning as a step back week on my program and while it still felt like hard work, knowing I go 19 miles next Saturday makes this an easier one 
    Ankle still fuckerood but holding up.  

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  • JeBurkhardt
    JeBurkhardt Posts: 5,321
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Well good luck, I don't have to agree with the concept to hope that you enjoy it and that everyone is safe.

    Cannot wait until I feel comfortable to do the same.  

    Let us know how you did!
    Well no PR. I turned my ankle on a tree root and fell once. I  enjoyed that so much I tried to do it 2 more times, but managed to not fall those times. 🤣 To add to the  fun I made a wrong turn coming out of the woods and ran part of the half marathon course, so instead of 3.1 miles I ran around 4.5. 🙄 On the bright side I still managed to finish 18th out of 30 runners even with the extra mileage. 🤷‍♂️
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,809
    Dang sounds like a rough go.  Way to hang tough and finish!
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  • GlowGirl
    GlowGirl New York, NY Posts: 12,079
    Hey. I wanted to ask some of you more seasoned runners advice on proper running posture. For some reason during my run today I started thinking about my posture and noticed that I tend to pitch my upper body a bit forward when I run. I was looking at other runners and saw that some did that, while others had their back straighter. I tried running with my back straighter and it seemed to make the running easier, but then when I stopped paying attention I pitched a bit forward again. Do any of you know anything about this issue in terms of if it is better to run with your back completely strait or a bit of angle, etc. Advice?
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,809
    I have no idea - @curmudgeoness seems to have lots of knowledge on running....
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  • GlowGirl
    GlowGirl New York, NY Posts: 12,079
    I just did a bit of research - which I could have done in the first place. But I do like hearing from people on here about these types of issues. Anyway, I found this illustration. I think my lower body uses correct form, but I need to focus on keeping my torso more upright when I run. It did seem to make running easier when I focused on straightening my back today, but it doesn't come naturally to me. I definitely seem to lean my torso forward. I need to work on that. It's interesting because when I am standing or walking I have good posture in terms of standing up straight.


  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    Different location today. Lots of turns but anyway......1.2 miles in 12:20.   Slow as can be but kept the body going.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,809
    Good to hear!
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  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    GlowGirl said:
    I just did a bit of research - which I could have done in the first place. But I do like hearing from people on here about these types of issues. Anyway, I found this illustration. I think my lower body uses correct form, but I need to focus on keeping my torso more upright when I run. It did seem to make running easier when I focused on straightening my back today, but it doesn't come naturally to me. I definitely seem to lean my torso forward. I need to work on that. It's interesting because when I am standing or walking I have good posture in terms of standing up straight.


    So, yes, you want to be more upright. Think of it like you are driving -- instead of looking at your phone (!) you are supposed to keep your eyes looking several second ahead of you. If you focus your vision off in the distance instead of on your feet, your posture should improve automatically.

    Big exception to this, IMO: trail running -- see @JeBurkhardt and the tree root experience, above. In general, my top priority when running is "don't die," LOL.

    You found good guidance on posture and running form. Aim for a mid-foot strike, not a heel strike (you'll know if you're a heel striker). Don't over-stride, but also try to avoid doing the shuffle. Having proper cadence (steps/minute) helps; you should aim for 180 steps/minute, that's considered optimal. You can measure your cadence by counting (whee!), or you can get yourself a gadget. I have a Garmin, and I bought a little bluetooth-enabled pod that I can wear with it when I'm running -- it will measure cadence, stride length, stride height, whether or not you are favoring one side over another. I imagine Apple watches can do something similar, but I know nothing about them (sorry!).  https://smile.amazon.com/Garmin-010-12520-00-Running-Dynamics-Pod/dp/B06XQ4KCVL  (link to Garmin pod -- just remember to remove it before throwing your running shorts in the laundry!)    

    As for the upper body: As/if you run longer, you might notice that your neck/traps/upper back feel tight. This can mean that you're hunching your shoulders and/or that your upper body is too tense. You can check this and remind yourself to keep good form by actively squeezing your shoulders toward your ears and then relaxing them. My husband and I both find that, as we tire on long runs, our form deteriorates, so we need to pay attention to those little details (even while we are asking ourselves, "WHY did I think this was a good idea?!?"). We've also both noticed that our form is worse the SLOWER we run; I think my form is best at 10K - half-marathon pace, definitely is worst at "recovery jog" pace.

    There are good YouTube resources about running form. I like Sage Canaday's videos (he's a geek, but, uh, so am I); example here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJvNOlFeuQA  The Run Experience also has good videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaGgtiTo3m0 

    Bottom line: good form makes you a more efficient runner and helps eliminate sources of pain/ injury.
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  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    More on "don't die" --

    As the days grow shorter in the northern hemisphere, safety is a big concern. ALWAYS run against traffic, unless you are dealing with a blind curve in the road. You want to see the UPS truck in case it doesn't see you.

    There are a lot of reflective clothing options available, and I think Brooks now has reflective shoes as well. But you will want to think about making yourself even more visible than that if you plan on running in the dark. You can get headlamps (unsexy but practical; my husband uses them when doing home repairs, too -- no flashlight needed); I found fleece caps with built-in lights for my (bald) husband - he loves them.  https://smile.amazon.com/Panther-Vision-POWERCAP-Ultra-Bright-Headlamp/dp/B0777366MG   And then there are NOXgear vests.

    I assumed NOXgear vests were some goofy gimmick when I first saw the ads on Instagram, but then I began to see a LOT of runners and walkers around town wearing them. You'll look like a moving Christmas tree when you wear one, but since visibility is the point, well, the vests do their jobs. https://portlandrunning.com/products/noxgear-tracer-360?variant=5321509666843&currency=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic

    Hope that helps someone....
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  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,809
    Good info.
    Since I mangled my ankle I look down much more.  I hate it.  One of the (few) reasons I actually like track running more now.  Nothing to worry about and I can stop looking down so much.
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  • GlowGirl
    GlowGirl New York, NY Posts: 12,079
    curmudgeoness said:
    GlowGirl said:
    I just did a bit of research - which I could have done in the first place. But I do like hearing from people on here about these types of issues. Anyway, I found this illustration. I think my lower body uses correct form, but I need to focus on keeping my torso more upright when I run. It did seem to make running easier when I focused on straightening my back today, but it doesn't come naturally to me. I definitely seem to lean my torso forward. I need to work on that. It's interesting because when I am standing or walking I have good posture in terms of standing up straight.


    So, yes, you want to be more upright. Think of it like you are driving -- instead of looking at your phone (!) you are supposed to keep your eyes looking several second ahead of you. If you focus your vision off in the distance instead of on your feet, your posture should improve automatically.

    Big exception to this, IMO: trail running -- see @JeBurkhardt and the tree root experience, above. In general, my top priority when running is "don't die," LOL.

    You found good guidance on posture and running form. Aim for a mid-foot strike, not a heel strike (you'll know if you're a heel striker). Don't over-stride, but also try to avoid doing the shuffle. Having proper cadence (steps/minute) helps; you should aim for 180 steps/minute, that's considered optimal. You can measure your cadence by counting (whee!), or you can get yourself a gadget. I have a Garmin, and I bought a little bluetooth-enabled pod that I can wear with it when I'm running -- it will measure cadence, stride length, stride height, whether or not you are favoring one side over another. I imagine Apple watches can do something similar, but I know nothing about them (sorry!).  https://smile.amazon.com/Garmin-010-12520-00-Running-Dynamics-Pod/dp/B06XQ4KCVL  (link to Garmin pod -- just remember to remove it before throwing your running shorts in the laundry!)    

    As for the upper body: As/if you run longer, you might notice that your neck/traps/upper back feel tight. This can mean that you're hunching your shoulders and/or that your upper body is too tense. You can check this and remind yourself to keep good form by actively squeezing your shoulders toward your ears and then relaxing them. My husband and I both find that, as we tire on long runs, our form deteriorates, so we need to pay attention to those little details (even while we are asking ourselves, "WHY did I think this was a good idea?!?"). We've also both noticed that our form is worse the SLOWER we run; I think my form is best at 10K - half-marathon pace, definitely is worst at "recovery jog" pace.

    There are good YouTube resources about running form. I like Sage Canaday's videos (he's a geek, but, uh, so am I); example here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJvNOlFeuQA  The Run Experience also has good videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaGgtiTo3m0 

    Bottom line: good form makes you a more efficient runner and helps eliminate sources of pain/ injury.
    Thanks so much for the expert advice. I actually made sure to focus on my running form today. I kept my back straight and forced myself to not look down as much. I didn't even realizing I was doing that until I started to pay more attention to my form. I also increased my cadence from 160-171 - my app keeps track of that. Anyway, I ran the same route as last time and somehow shaved 30 seconds per mile off my time. I don't know if it was due to improving my form, or something else. I know a lot of factors can affect speed. But I will take it where I can get it. I hope as I continue to pay more attention to my form it will come more naturally so I won't have to focus so hard on it. But I am going to continue to work on it.

  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,809
    Strides the same as steps?
    My tracker counts steps per minute.  This morning I reached 100 per minute at max 
    Speed was 9.8 mph and the fasted mile I did was 830.
    That is a good speed for me, especially dragging this ankle around.
    If I was meant to almost double that number of steps per minute I think I might die!
    (Alternately, I would be very fast!)
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  • NewfieintheUSA
    NewfieintheUSA Posts: 2,416
    Sorry I've disappeared for a while. Went to an orthopedist today, apparently I fractured my pubis bone. Can't run for another month. I'm still refusing to go to the gym. 

    Hope everyone is doing well in here
  • GlowGirl
    GlowGirl New York, NY Posts: 12,079
    edited October 2020
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Strides the same as steps?
    My tracker counts steps per minute.  This morning I reached 100 per minute at max 
    Speed was 9.8 mph and the fasted mile I did was 830.
    That is a good speed for me, especially dragging this ankle around.
    If I was meant to almost double that number of steps per minute I think I might die!
    (Alternately, I would be very fast!)
    From what you are describing it doesn’t sound like your tracker is measuring your cadence/stride. Mine only started doing that a few months ago when I upgraded my app. From what I have been reading if you run under a 10 minute mile your cadence should be around 179-180. If you run over a 10 minute mile like I do (I have been averaging 10-10:30) then it can be a bit less. I run slower than you and my cadence is around 160-170. I’m trying to maintain it to at least 170. So upping yours wouldn’t mean anything in terms of your speed. I doubt that 100 steps per minute stat you got is your actual running cadence. That would mean you are seriously over striding. That measurement might come from a step counter that is based on 5 miles equaling 10,000 walking steps. I am not sure. Here is more info from a runner’s blog:

    “Most recreational runners will have a cadence between 150 to 170spm (strides per minute) topping out at 180spm.  A cadence of less than 160spm is usually seen in runners who overstride. The good news is that as you improve your cadence, you will simultaneously be correcting your overstriding.

    The shorter your stride length, the quicker your stride rate, the faster and better you run. If you have a low cadence, you most likely have a long stride which makes for a choppy and more bouncy run. The more bounce and over striding in your gait, the more susceptible you are to injury. Shortening your stride length with increase your cadence, which will make you faster and less injury prone.

    As a bonus, when you shorten your stride you will also change the position of where your foot lands beneath you. The optimal placement of your foot is beneath your hips (not out in front of them) which is where your foot will automatically land if you take the necessary steps to increase your cadence and shorten your stride length. This is the point of your center of gravity and where the least amount of impact will occur. Your turnover will increase which will propel you forward and will waste less energy since you will now be moving forward and back not up and down.”

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  • GlowGirl
    GlowGirl New York, NY Posts: 12,079
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    Sorry I've disappeared for a while. Went to an orthopedist today, apparently I fractured my pubis bone. Can't run for another month. I'm still refusing to go to the gym. 

    Hope everyone is doing well in here
    I am sorry to hear that. I hope you are doing ok, and have a speedy recovery. I went to the gym for the first time last week since March. I went twice. I was nervous at first. You have to make an appointment to go and they were seriously limiting the number of people. When I went, I felt like I had plenty of room around me. Everyone of course was wearing masks, and there were wipes and hand sanitizer everywhere. Had I used the treadmills, I would have been the only person in all four rows. But, I can't deal with the thought of using the treadmill in a mask so I am sticking to outside running until I can't handle with the cold. So, I have only done weight training at the gym. I bought some dumbbells to use at home while the gym was closed so that part of my workout wasn't too affected. However, when I got on the machines - I had lost so much progress. For the the seated rows, and the lat pulldowns I had to use 15 pounds less weight than in March. So frustrating. I hope I get it back soon.

    Do you know what caused your fracture. It sounds painful?

  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,809
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    Sorry I've disappeared for a while. Went to an orthopedist today, apparently I fractured my pubis bone. Can't run for another month. I'm still refusing to go to the gym. 

    Hope everyone is doing well in here
    Oh man, sorry to hear that!
    What is the recovery time/plan for something like that?
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