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    cutz said:



    Fuck me.


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    That's just terrible. I can't fathom what threat the officer could claim he saw to justify using his gun. Now we don't know the whole story from this video. But let's say, hypothetically, that the mother said the kid had a knife and that's why she needed help. Well ya still don't have to shoot him. Pepper spray or a taser, both of which can stop someone in their tracks, would work just fine. Just crazy. 
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  • Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    OnWis97 said:
    An unarmed WHITE* 13-year-old autistic boy.  This is a prime example of how we overuse armed cops.  “Maybe just send a social worker.”  Actually, yeah.

    *yeah it matters.  Not sure how.  Maybe it wakes some people up...or maybe it leads them to say “see it’s not race.”
    this is exactly what it will lead them to say. 
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  • St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,025
    Breonna Taylor officers update. only one charged, and it is of a lesser crime. wtf.
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  • Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    wanton endangerment? wtf indeed. that's disgusting. 
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  • St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,025
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    wanton endangerment? wtf indeed. that's disgusting. 
    not even charged in her death. $15,000 cash bond. 

    unbelievable.
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    edited September 2020
    I haven't read up on this case too closely, but it always seemed more like bad procedures than murder or manslaughter charges. Wasn't it a no-knock warrant, and the guy inside thought someone was breaking in and fired a gun so the cops returned fire? The warrant was questionable. Seems like a strong case for no-knock warrants, but I can't blame a cop for returning fire. Not surprised there wasn't more charges. Except for maybe the cop that shot from outside the house, but he may have had the lesser charge, not sure what wonton endangerment is.
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    There was no chance of homicide being charged. Wanton endangerment fits the most based on the circumstances. Unfortunately fucking up so bad that you shoot and kill people as a cop rarely will ever be charged as murder unless you can prove intention. These are the rules we've agreed to as a society when we let police officers carry a gun and determine a threat based on perceived actions of another individual, whether armed or not. The only way this will ever end is if gun reform happens and in turn police reform that severely limits the ability to use a firearm. These cops are people and they fuck up as people are prone to do. There's no way to know how most cops will ultimately act when placed in highly intense, emotionally charged situations. It's definitely fight or flight and when you are already armed, it's usually fight. 
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  • Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    edited September 2020
    mace1229 said:
    I haven't read up on this case too closely, but it always seemed more like bad procedures than murder or manslaughter charges. Wasn't it a no-knock warrant, and the guy inside thought someone was breaking in and fired a gun so the cops returned fire? The warrant was questionable. Seems like a strong case for no-knock warrants, but I can't blame a cop for returning fire. Not surprised there wasn't more charges. 
    one of the officers fired 10 times through a patio door that was covered by curtains. he was the one charged with wanton endangerment. 

    the cops are also probably lying. they claim they yelled several times while banging on the door identifying themselves, even though it was a no knock warrant. her neighbour and several witnesses all said there was no yelling by police, only banging and then forced entry and then gunfire. 

    in a country that allows people to stand their ground, no knock warrants should be illegal. it's just encouraging a fatal gun fight. 

    it was bad intel. the guy they suspected of running the drugs hadn't dated her in months. 

    i'm on the fence about this now that i've read more facts about it. you're right in that, if the cops were merely returning fire, they had justification and they were merely following bad instruction/intel. 

    who gets charged? who presented the bad intel to the judge to get the warrant?
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    I would imagine there will be changes that involve restrictions on no knock warrants, and video of all warrants. Really no reason to not have video, if not body cameras you could easily have 1 officer video with a phone, because isn't there some dispute about making an announcement when breaking in?
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    edited September 2020
    mace1229 said:
    I would imagine there will be changes that involve restrictions on no knock warrants, and video of all warrants. Really no reason to not have video, if not body cameras you could easily have 1 officer video with a phone, because isn't there some dispute about making an announcement when breaking in?
    Rand Paul actually introduced legislation to ban no-knock warrants called the Justice For Breonna Taylor act. 

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/3955

    And following the RNC, "protesters" harassed him in the street chanting "say her name" at him. Just ignorance beyond belief. 
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    edited September 2020
    I'm not too up on the story either, to be honest.  What was the warrant related to?  Drugs?  Race aside (to whatever degree that's possible), there's nothing worse than cops busting down doors and endangering lives because of fucking drugs. Legalize 'em all and then tax and regulate 'em.
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
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    Rand Paul actually introduced legislation to ban no-knock warrants called the Justice For Breonna Taylor act. 

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/3955

    And following the RNC, "protesters" harassed him in the street chanting "say her name" at him. Just ignorance beyond belief. 
    Ha yes, I remember that. Forgot about the bill until you brought it up. 
    I disagree about banning all no knock warrants, I could see times where they are needed for the safety of the cops. Like a known violent criminal who has already killed. But a case like this I don't see how it was necessary, so there needs ot be stronger requirements for a no knock warrant. 
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    edited September 2020
    OnWis97 said:
    I'm not too up on the story either, to be honest.  What was the warrant related to?  Drugs?  Race aside (to whatever degree that's possible), there's nothing worse than cops busting down doors and endangering lives because of fucking drugs. Legalize 'em all and then tax and regulate 'em.
    I don't think she was even the target, I think she was an known associate (ex boyfriend) of who they were going after. So a no knock warrant does seem excessive. And thats why I don't see how manslaughter would even stick. Its a fault of the warrant and the system, not the cops. The cops broke in, the dude didn't know it was a cop so he opened fire, the cops returned fire. Bad policy and procedures, not manslaughter. 
     I disagree about legalizing all drugs though, I don't want heroine and cocaine shops around. 
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    OnWis97 said:
    I'm not too up on the story either, to be honest.  What was the warrant related to?  Drugs?  Race aside (to whatever degree that's possible), there's nothing worse than cops busting down doors and endangering lives because of fucking drugs. Legalize 'em all and then tax and regulate 'em.
    Having spent much of my teens and early 20s in an altered state of mind, there are definitely a variety of substances that should not be readily available. I don't want the car approaching me to see my vehicle as a magic carpet for them to drive onto and chase the cloud that was waving them into the sky.
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    JW269453 said:
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    Having spent much of my teens and early 20s in an altered state of mind, there are definitely a variety of substances that should not be readily available. I don't want the car approaching me to see my vehicle as a magic carpet for them to drive onto and chase the cloud that was waving them into the sky.
    well it would still be illegal to drive under the influence. 
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
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    well it would still be illegal to drive under the influence. 
    True, but that generally doesn't deter the masses already.

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    Randy Paul's introduction of legislation was a political stunt, as he knows full well that it would never pass the Senate, being controlled by the party of state's rights and all. Just another empty gesture by the gRand Stander. If he had real moral courage, he'd be advocating for accountability via DOJ reform and getting more than two co-sponsers. Hell, there are 50+ repubs in the senate.

    Police in the United States kill far more people than do police in other advanced industrial democracies (13). While a substantial body of evidence shows that people of color, especially African Americans, are at greater risk for experiencing criminal justice contact and police-involved harm than are whites (14⇓⇓⇓⇓–19), we lack basic estimates of the prevalence of police-involved deaths, largely due to the absence of definitive official data. Journalists have stepped into this void and initiated a series of systematic efforts to track police-involved killings. These data enable a richer understanding of the geographic and demographic patterning of police violence (17) and an evaluation of the magnitude of exposure to police violence over the life course.

    Our results show that people of color face a higher likelihood of being killed by police than do white men and women, that risk peaks in young adulthood, and that men of color face a nontrivial lifetime risk of being killed by police.

    displays the ratio of lifetime risk for each racial–ethnic group relative to risk for whites for both men and women. Note that a rate ratio of 1 indicates equality in mortality risk relative to whites. The highest levels of inequality in mortality risk are experienced by black men. Black men are about 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police over the life course than are white men. Black women are about 1.4 times more likely to be killed by police than are white women. Although risks are estimated with less precision for American Indian/Alaska Native men and women than for other groups, we show that they face a higher lifetime risk of being killed by police than do whites. American Indian men are between 1.2 and 1.7 times more likely to be killed by police than are white men, and American Indian women are between 1.1 and 2.1 times more likely to be killed by police than are white women. Latino men are between 1.3 and 1.4 times more likely to be killed by police than are white men, but Latina women are between 12% and 23% less likely to be killed by police than are white women. Both Asian/Pacific Islander men and women are more than 50% less likely to be killed by police than are white men and women, respectively.

    Among all groups, black men and boys face the highest lifetime risk of being killed by police. Our models predict that about 1 in 1,000 black men and boys will be killed by police over the life course (96 [77, 120] per 100,000). We predict that between 36 and 81 American Indian/Alaska Native men and boys per 100,000 will be killed by police over the life course. Latino men and boys have an estimated risk of being killed by police of about 53 per 100,000 [41, 67]. Asian/Pacific Islander men and boys face a lifetime risk of between 9 and 23 per 100,000, while white men and boys face a lifetime risk of about 39 [31, 48] per 100,000.

    Between the ages of 25 y and 29 y, black men are killed by police at a rate between 2.8 and 4.1 per 100,000, American Indian and Alaska Native men are killed at a rate between 1.5 and 2.8 per 100,000, Asian/Pacific Islander men are killed by police at a rate between 0.3 and 0.6 per 100,000, Latino men at a rate between 1.4 and 2.2 per 100,000, and white men at a rate between 0.9 and 1.4 per 100,000. Inequalities in risk persist throughout the life course.

    Our analysis shows that the risk of being killed by police is jointly patterned by one’s race, gender, and age. Police violence is a leading cause of death for young men, and young men of color face exceptionally high risk of being killed by police. Inequalities in risk are pronounced throughout the life course. This study reinforces calls to treat police violence as a public health issue (1, 4). Racially unequal exposure to the risk of state violence has profound consequences for public health, democracy, and racial stratification (5, 7⇓–9, 11).

    The absence of authoritative official data is a key challenge in reducing police violence. The Bureau of Justice Statistics should renew efforts to develop comprehensive systems to track officer-involved deaths (4, 40). Both the public interest and social science are served by increasing transparency with regard to police use of force. Using such data, the research community has made strides in identifying officers most at risk of being involved in cases of excessive force (41) and system failures that result in civilian deaths (42).

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  • KCMO Native Posts: 2,814
    Not sure why Manslaughter could not have been charged, at least to Hankinson.
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  • Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    Glorified KC said:
    Not sure why Manslaughter could not have been charged, at least to Hankinson.
    did any of hankinson's bullets hit her?
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