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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 17,014
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    By "real news" you probably mean outlets like NYT, MSNBC, and CNN...all of whom want Biden (or should I say Harris?) to win. So of course they're not going to "amplify" anything that contributes to a narrative that Biden is a puppet. 
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  • josevolution
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    At least they're being forthcoming about it....



    So should we change the poll to Harris vs Trump?
    That wouldn't make a difference here, but if the election was really Harris vs. Trump, the polls may be very different. So those two should watch what they say. Biden mixing up the order of the names on the ticket is just Biden being Biden. But Harris saying the words "A Harris administration" comes off like a Freudian slip.  
    lol nothing burger if this is something to be concerned about we are doomed specially after all the crap Covidiot has said done on&on!
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 17,014
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    josevolution said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    At least they're being forthcoming about it....



    So should we change the poll to Harris vs Trump?
    That wouldn't make a difference here, but if the election was really Harris vs. Trump, the polls may be very different. So those two should watch what they say. Biden mixing up the order of the names on the ticket is just Biden being Biden. But Harris saying the words "A Harris administration" comes off like a Freudian slip.  
    lol nothing burger if this is something to be concerned about we are doomed specially after all the crap Covidiot has said done on&on!
    It's hilarious how defensive some of you guys get.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    By "real news" you probably mean outlets like NYT, MSNBC, and CNN...all of whom want Biden (or should I say Harris?) to win. So of course they're not going to "amplify" anything that contributes to a narrative that Biden is a puppet. 
    If Biden is a puppet, why is his agenda the agenda on the platform?  Why isn't M4A on there?  Free tuition and forgiveness of student loans?  The 'puppet' narrative is the bullshit one.  Your 'point' has zero merit and is only borne out by your beliefs, no actual empirical evidence.  
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 17,014
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    mrussel1 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    By "real news" you probably mean outlets like NYT, MSNBC, and CNN...all of whom want Biden (or should I say Harris?) to win. So of course they're not going to "amplify" anything that contributes to a narrative that Biden is a puppet. 
    If Biden is a puppet, why is his agenda the agenda on the platform?  Why isn't M4A on there?  Free tuition and forgiveness of student loans?  The 'puppet' narrative is the bullshit one.  Your 'point' has zero merit and is only borne out by your beliefs, no actual empirical evidence.  
    More of an electoral puppet. In that the DNC doesn't really want him as president, but got left with him when all their candidates failed to connect in the primary. That's why there was the coordinated effort before Super Tuesday to make sure it was him instead of Bernie. As for his platform, it's a pretty typical democratic party platform. That should be the platform. Will it be once he's elected? 
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  • mace1229
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    Assuming Biden wins, I don't see him running for reelection in 4 years. I do think you will see a lot more focus on Harris, or whoever they hope to put on the ticket, than Biden for the second half of the term. Wouldn't really even be surprised if he resigns after 3 years so she can run as the incumbent for reelection. I'm not convinced that is the plan going in right now, just won't be surprised if that happens one bit. 
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,218
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    By "real news" you probably mean outlets like NYT, MSNBC, and CNN...all of whom want Biden (or should I say Harris?) to win. So of course they're not going to "amplify" anything that contributes to a narrative that Biden is a puppet. 

    maybe listen to the rest of her speech, she corrected herslf immediately. but no go ahead and stick with a 4 second clip.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    By "real news" you probably mean outlets like NYT, MSNBC, and CNN...all of whom want Biden (or should I say Harris?) to win. So of course they're not going to "amplify" anything that contributes to a narrative that Biden is a puppet. 
    If Biden is a puppet, why is his agenda the agenda on the platform?  Why isn't M4A on there?  Free tuition and forgiveness of student loans?  The 'puppet' narrative is the bullshit one.  Your 'point' has zero merit and is only borne out by your beliefs, no actual empirical evidence.  
    More of an electoral puppet. In that the DNC doesn't really want him as president, but got left with him when all their candidates failed to connect in the primary. That's why there was the coordinated effort before Super Tuesday to make sure it was him instead of Bernie. As for his platform, it's a pretty typical democratic party platform. That should be the platform. Will it be once he's elected? 
    So wait a minute, the DNC didn't want him as president, so they coordinated an effort for him to win the primaries by taking out Sanders? Why didn't they coordinate all of that for Warren, Pete or any of the other candidates they allegedly preferred?  They decided to coordinate for the person that finished 4th in IA and 5th in NH.  And your evidence of this is Harris misspeaking and calling it a Harris administration..  the woman who was running for president for 18 months and probably said the phrase "Harris Admin" two thousand times.  
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 17,014
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    mace1229 said:
    Assuming Biden wins, I don't see him running for reelection in 4 years. I do think you will see a lot more focus on Harris, or whoever they hope to put on the ticket, than Biden for the second half of the term. Wouldn't really even be surprised if he resigns after 3 years so she can run as the incumbent for reelection. I'm not convinced that is the plan going in right now, just won't be surprised if that happens one bit. 
    The problem with that though is Harris’ electability. Remember she had such little support in the primary that she dropped out before Iowa. Being VP will obviously raise her profile. But will she become popular with the left over the next four years? The only reason this ticket is probably going to win is because Trump is an awful incumbent. It won’t be as easy in 2024. 
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  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    mace1229 said:
    Assuming Biden wins, I don't see him running for reelection in 4 years. I do think you will see a lot more focus on Harris, or whoever they hope to put on the ticket, than Biden for the second half of the term. Wouldn't really even be surprised if he resigns after 3 years so she can run as the incumbent for reelection. I'm not convinced that is the plan going in right now, just won't be surprised if that happens one bit. 
    I thought he already said he would only be a 1 term president no matter what. 


  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
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    OnWis97 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    tbergs said:
    The only fear I have is that Biden all of a sudden drops dead. Between him and RBG, I don't know who to be more concerned about. 
    lmao. i don't know why, but this made me laugh out loud

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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 17,014
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    mrussel1 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    By "real news" you probably mean outlets like NYT, MSNBC, and CNN...all of whom want Biden (or should I say Harris?) to win. So of course they're not going to "amplify" anything that contributes to a narrative that Biden is a puppet. 
    If Biden is a puppet, why is his agenda the agenda on the platform?  Why isn't M4A on there?  Free tuition and forgiveness of student loans?  The 'puppet' narrative is the bullshit one.  Your 'point' has zero merit and is only borne out by your beliefs, no actual empirical evidence.  
    More of an electoral puppet. In that the DNC doesn't really want him as president, but got left with him when all their candidates failed to connect in the primary. That's why there was the coordinated effort before Super Tuesday to make sure it was him instead of Bernie. As for his platform, it's a pretty typical democratic party platform. That should be the platform. Will it be once he's elected? 
    So wait a minute, the DNC didn't want him as president, so they coordinated an effort for him to win the primaries by taking out Sanders? Why didn't they coordinate all of that for Warren, Pete or any of the other candidates they allegedly preferred?  They decided to coordinate for the person that finished 4th in IA and 5th in NH.  And your evidence of this is Harris misspeaking and calling it a Harris administration..  the woman who was running for president for 18 months and probably said the phrase "Harris Admin" two thousand times.  
    Yeah and after IA and NH, Biden started gaining a bit, and was (is) considered a more viable general election candidate to go against Trumnp, so Pete and Amy got out of his "lane" so they wouldn't all siphon votes from each other which could have given Bernie a path to victory. And Warren stayed in Bernie's "lane" for that same reason.  
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    By "real news" you probably mean outlets like NYT, MSNBC, and CNN...all of whom want Biden (or should I say Harris?) to win. So of course they're not going to "amplify" anything that contributes to a narrative that Biden is a puppet. 
    If Biden is a puppet, why is his agenda the agenda on the platform?  Why isn't M4A on there?  Free tuition and forgiveness of student loans?  The 'puppet' narrative is the bullshit one.  Your 'point' has zero merit and is only borne out by your beliefs, no actual empirical evidence.  
    More of an electoral puppet. In that the DNC doesn't really want him as president, but got left with him when all their candidates failed to connect in the primary. That's why there was the coordinated effort before Super Tuesday to make sure it was him instead of Bernie. As for his platform, it's a pretty typical democratic party platform. That should be the platform. Will it be once he's elected? 
    So wait a minute, the DNC didn't want him as president, so they coordinated an effort for him to win the primaries by taking out Sanders? Why didn't they coordinate all of that for Warren, Pete or any of the other candidates they allegedly preferred?  They decided to coordinate for the person that finished 4th in IA and 5th in NH.  And your evidence of this is Harris misspeaking and calling it a Harris administration..  the woman who was running for president for 18 months and probably said the phrase "Harris Admin" two thousand times.  
    Yeah and after IA and NH, Biden started gaining a bit, and was (is) considered a more viable general election candidate to go against Trumnp, so Pete and Amy got out of his "lane" so they wouldn't all siphon votes from each other which could have given Bernie a path to victory. And Warren stayed in Bernie's "lane" for that same reason.  
    Yes, but none of that equals:

    1. the DNC coordinated even though they didn't want Biden
    2. Biden is an 'electoral puppet'

    Pete and Amy absolutely got out of the way since they knew they had no path, and ideologically they are more closely aligned with Biden, so it makes sense that they would support Biden.  
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,022
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    mace1229 said:
    Assuming Biden wins, I don't see him running for reelection in 4 years. I do think you will see a lot more focus on Harris, or whoever they hope to put on the ticket, than Biden for the second half of the term. Wouldn't really even be surprised if he resigns after 3 years so she can run as the incumbent for reelection. I'm not convinced that is the plan going in right now, just won't be surprised if that happens one bit. 
    he's actually already said he only plans on serving one term because of his age. his whole purpose is to get trump out, then make way for a younger dem prez. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    Biden
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Assuming Biden wins, I don't see him running for reelection in 4 years. I do think you will see a lot more focus on Harris, or whoever they hope to put on the ticket, than Biden for the second half of the term. Wouldn't really even be surprised if he resigns after 3 years so she can run as the incumbent for reelection. I'm not convinced that is the plan going in right now, just won't be surprised if that happens one bit. 
    The problem with that though is Harris’ electability. Remember she had such little support in the primary that she dropped out before Iowa. Being VP will obviously raise her profile. But will she become popular with the left over the next four years? The only reason this ticket is probably going to win is because Trump is an awful incumbent. It won’t be as easy in 2024. 
    it will be if another trump is on the ticket. and any other established republican has already shown they are traitors. it would have to be an unknown, and extremely dynamic. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mace1229 said:
    Assuming Biden wins, I don't see him running for reelection in 4 years. I do think you will see a lot more focus on Harris, or whoever they hope to put on the ticket, than Biden for the second half of the term. Wouldn't really even be surprised if he resigns after 3 years so she can run as the incumbent for reelection. I'm not convinced that is the plan going in right now, just won't be surprised if that happens one bit. 
    he's actually already said he only plans on serving one term because of his age. his whole purpose is to get trump out, then make way for a younger dem prez. 
    I don't think he has said that.  I think that's common opinion, but I don't believe any candidate would make such a statement before the election.  There was speculation as such that he signaled to people, but the campaign (and I think he himself) denied it.  
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,022
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mace1229 said:
    Assuming Biden wins, I don't see him running for reelection in 4 years. I do think you will see a lot more focus on Harris, or whoever they hope to put on the ticket, than Biden for the second half of the term. Wouldn't really even be surprised if he resigns after 3 years so she can run as the incumbent for reelection. I'm not convinced that is the plan going in right now, just won't be surprised if that happens one bit. 
    he's actually already said he only plans on serving one term because of his age. his whole purpose is to get trump out, then make way for a younger dem prez. 
    I don't think he has said that.  I think that's common opinion, but I don't believe any candidate would make such a statement before the election.  There was speculation as such that he signaled to people, but the campaign (and I think he himself) denied it.  
    you are correct. my bad. 

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  • mace1229
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mace1229 said:
    Assuming Biden wins, I don't see him running for reelection in 4 years. I do think you will see a lot more focus on Harris, or whoever they hope to put on the ticket, than Biden for the second half of the term. Wouldn't really even be surprised if he resigns after 3 years so she can run as the incumbent for reelection. I'm not convinced that is the plan going in right now, just won't be surprised if that happens one bit. 
    he's actually already said he only plans on serving one term because of his age. his whole purpose is to get trump out, then make way for a younger dem prez. 
    Yes, I remember that. But I was saying I wouldn't be surprised if his last year or 2 of his term is more promoting the next candidate, and if that happens to be Harris by then I wouldn't be surprised to see him resign. Not saying they are going into this with that plan, but won't be surprised if that is what happens. 
  • Gern Blansten
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    PJNB said:
    mace1229 said:
    Assuming Biden wins, I don't see him running for reelection in 4 years. I do think you will see a lot more focus on Harris, or whoever they hope to put on the ticket, than Biden for the second half of the term. Wouldn't really even be surprised if he resigns after 3 years so she can run as the incumbent for reelection. I'm not convinced that is the plan going in right now, just won't be surprised if that happens one bit. 
    I thought he already said he would only be a 1 term president no matter what. 


    No....he was asked directly a few weeks ago and said that he was up to a second term or wouldn't be running if he didn't feel like he could serve two terms, etc.
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Assuming Biden wins, I don't see him running for reelection in 4 years. I do think you will see a lot more focus on Harris, or whoever they hope to put on the ticket, than Biden for the second half of the term. Wouldn't really even be surprised if he resigns after 3 years so she can run as the incumbent for reelection. I'm not convinced that is the plan going in right now, just won't be surprised if that happens one bit. 
    The problem with that though is Harris’ electability. Remember she had such little support in the primary that she dropped out before Iowa. Being VP will obviously raise her profile. But will she become popular with the left over the next four years? The only reason this ticket is probably going to win is because Trump is an awful incumbent. It won’t be as easy in 2024. 
    it will be if another trump is on the ticket. and any other established republican has already shown they are traitors. it would have to be an unknown, and extremely dynamic. 
    I don't think there will ever be another Trump. He's his own thing. There might be another "asshole that cozies up to foreign agitators" type of candidate someday, but it takes more than just that to be Trump. They'd have to be egomaniacal yet insecure, shameless (Trump's "greatest" "strength" in some ways), and a sociopath. 
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