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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    Jim Harbaugh blows!
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  • mickeyrat
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    cdthomas1981 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    The Juggler said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    There are absolutely teams who could use Kaepernick. My fucking team could've used him last year, I know that. 

    I also do not buy the "once Harbaugh left, he was done" argument. Is Jim Harbaugh Don Shula for Christ's sake? There are plenty of other capable OC's and head coaches who can find a way to utilize the guy's talent. 
    He's known for getting a lot out of QB's and called a quarterback whisperer.

    It's not hard to see that when he left the team really went to shit.  The whole Niners team overachieved with him there.
    He's hardly the only coach ever to be known for getting a lot out of his qb's. He had 3 good seasons as a coach in the NFL before hightailing it to Michigan. Big deal. 

    And 5 years later the team was in the Super Bowl again without him. 
    annnnd he's 1-5 vs OSU........

    Actually, I think he's winless against the Buckeyes.  Did actually beat them one year?
    no. fucking wiki.....

    you're right. he hasn't. Urban made him his bitch then handed the leash to Day...
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  • tempo_n_groove
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    The Juggler said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    There are absolutely teams who could use Kaepernick. My fucking team could've used him last year, I know that. 

    I also do not buy the "once Harbaugh left, he was done" argument. Is Jim Harbaugh Don Shula for Christ's sake? There are plenty of other capable OC's and head coaches who can find a way to utilize the guy's talent. 
    He's known for getting a lot out of QB's and called a quarterback whisperer.

    It's not hard to see that when he left the team really went to shit.  The whole Niners team overachieved with him there.
    He's hardly the only coach ever to be known for getting a lot out of his qb's. He had 3 good seasons as a coach in the NFL before hightailing it to Michigan. Big deal. 

    And 5 years later the team was in the Super Bowl again without him. 
    Without Kap too.

    EDIT: And with the better QB in Garapolo.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,367
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    There are absolutely teams who could use Kaepernick. My fucking team could've used him last year, I know that. 

    I also do not buy the "once Harbaugh left, he was done" argument. Is Jim Harbaugh Don Shula for Christ's sake? There are plenty of other capable OC's and head coaches who can find a way to utilize the guy's talent. 
    He's known for getting a lot out of QB's and called a quarterback whisperer.

    It's not hard to see that when he left the team really went to shit.  The whole Niners team overachieved with him there.
    He's hardly the only coach ever to be known for getting a lot out of his qb's. He had 3 good seasons as a coach in the NFL before hightailing it to Michigan. Big deal. 

    And 5 years later the team was in the Super Bowl again without him. 
    Without Kap too.

    EDIT: And with the better QB in Garapolo.
    what other personnel changes were made in that time?
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 42,010
    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    There are absolutely teams who could use Kaepernick. My fucking team could've used him last year, I know that. 

    I also do not buy the "once Harbaugh left, he was done" argument. Is Jim Harbaugh Don Shula for Christ's sake? There are plenty of other capable OC's and head coaches who can find a way to utilize the guy's talent. 
    He's known for getting a lot out of QB's and called a quarterback whisperer.

    It's not hard to see that when he left the team really went to shit.  The whole Niners team overachieved with him there.
    He's hardly the only coach ever to be known for getting a lot out of his qb's. He had 3 good seasons as a coach in the NFL before hightailing it to Michigan. Big deal. 

    And 5 years later the team was in the Super Bowl again without him. 
    Without Kap too.

    EDIT: And with the better QB in Garapolo.
    what other personnel changes were made in that time?
    Well if you are a coach you get to pick your staff so all of Harbaughs guys are gone. Only Rathman remained.

    5 years for a football team can be a complete change.  The following years not so much.

    The main thing that changed was Harbaugh leaving in my eyes.  Kap never passes the eye test for me.  The whole team overachieved under Harbaugh.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,367
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    There are absolutely teams who could use Kaepernick. My fucking team could've used him last year, I know that. 

    I also do not buy the "once Harbaugh left, he was done" argument. Is Jim Harbaugh Don Shula for Christ's sake? There are plenty of other capable OC's and head coaches who can find a way to utilize the guy's talent. 
    He's known for getting a lot out of QB's and called a quarterback whisperer.

    It's not hard to see that when he left the team really went to shit.  The whole Niners team overachieved with him there.
    He's hardly the only coach ever to be known for getting a lot out of his qb's. He had 3 good seasons as a coach in the NFL before hightailing it to Michigan. Big deal. 

    And 5 years later the team was in the Super Bowl again without him. 
    Without Kap too.

    EDIT: And with the better QB in Garapolo.
    what other personnel changes were made in that time?
    Well if you are a coach you get to pick your staff so all of Harbaughs guys are gone. Only Rathman remained.

    5 years for a football team can be a complete change.  The following years not so much.

    The main thing that changed was Harbaugh leaving in my eyes.  Kap never passes the eye test for me.  The whole team overachieved under Harbaugh.
    and he couldnt seem to have michigan even achieve much less overachieve......
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 42,010
    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    There are absolutely teams who could use Kaepernick. My fucking team could've used him last year, I know that. 

    I also do not buy the "once Harbaugh left, he was done" argument. Is Jim Harbaugh Don Shula for Christ's sake? There are plenty of other capable OC's and head coaches who can find a way to utilize the guy's talent. 
    He's known for getting a lot out of QB's and called a quarterback whisperer.

    It's not hard to see that when he left the team really went to shit.  The whole Niners team overachieved with him there.
    He's hardly the only coach ever to be known for getting a lot out of his qb's. He had 3 good seasons as a coach in the NFL before hightailing it to Michigan. Big deal. 

    And 5 years later the team was in the Super Bowl again without him. 
    Without Kap too.

    EDIT: And with the better QB in Garapolo.
    what other personnel changes were made in that time?
    Well if you are a coach you get to pick your staff so all of Harbaughs guys are gone. Only Rathman remained.

    5 years for a football team can be a complete change.  The following years not so much.

    The main thing that changed was Harbaugh leaving in my eyes.  Kap never passes the eye test for me.  The whole team overachieved under Harbaugh.
    and he couldnt seem to have michigan even achieve much less overachieve......
    Not a good comparison.  
    Kap fell apart after he left, Harbaugh knew the team overachieved.
    The wheels just fell off.

    It's like the Jets when they made it to two Championship games and lost.  Overachieved.
  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 18,110
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    There are absolutely teams who could use Kaepernick. My fucking team could've used him last year, I know that. 

    I also do not buy the "once Harbaugh left, he was done" argument. Is Jim Harbaugh Don Shula for Christ's sake? There are plenty of other capable OC's and head coaches who can find a way to utilize the guy's talent. 
    He's known for getting a lot out of QB's and called a quarterback whisperer.

    It's not hard to see that when he left the team really went to shit.  The whole Niners team overachieved with him there.
    He's hardly the only coach ever to be known for getting a lot out of his qb's. He had 3 good seasons as a coach in the NFL before hightailing it to Michigan. Big deal. 

    And 5 years later the team was in the Super Bowl again without him. 
    Without Kap too.

    EDIT: And with the better QB in Garapolo.
    what other personnel changes were made in that time?
     
    The main thing that changed was Harbaugh leaving in my eyes.  
    Joe Staley was the only 49er on the roster for both SB 47 and SB 54, so I'd say there was a tad more to it than Harbaugh leaving.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 42,010
    Poncier said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    There are absolutely teams who could use Kaepernick. My fucking team could've used him last year, I know that. 

    I also do not buy the "once Harbaugh left, he was done" argument. Is Jim Harbaugh Don Shula for Christ's sake? There are plenty of other capable OC's and head coaches who can find a way to utilize the guy's talent. 
    He's known for getting a lot out of QB's and called a quarterback whisperer.

    It's not hard to see that when he left the team really went to shit.  The whole Niners team overachieved with him there.
    He's hardly the only coach ever to be known for getting a lot out of his qb's. He had 3 good seasons as a coach in the NFL before hightailing it to Michigan. Big deal. 

    And 5 years later the team was in the Super Bowl again without him. 
    Without Kap too.

    EDIT: And with the better QB in Garapolo.
    what other personnel changes were made in that time?
     
    The main thing that changed was Harbaugh leaving in my eyes.  
    Joe Staley was the only 49er on the roster for both SB 47 and SB 54, so I'd say there was a tad more to it than Harbaugh leaving.
    Using one OL that stuck around isn't a very convincing argument.

    1-The team overachieved.  It's ok to say that and to admit that.  Teams do it all the time.
    2-Harbaugh left.  He saw the ship going down and had zero desire to try and right it because of management he dealt with in the upstairs.
    3-Kap isn't that good, see #1.
    4-Trent Dilfer won a Superbowl.  I repeat, Trent Dilfer.
  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 18,110
    My argument is that the whole team changed form one SB appearance to the next, it wasn't just Harbaugh leaving. So what Harbaugh did there (and Kaepernick as well) has nothing to with the current success. Mickey asked what personnel changes were made, and you said the main change was Harbaugh leaving...the entire team has changed. 52 of 53 players.
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  • The Juggler
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    Poncier said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    There are absolutely teams who could use Kaepernick. My fucking team could've used him last year, I know that. 

    I also do not buy the "once Harbaugh left, he was done" argument. Is Jim Harbaugh Don Shula for Christ's sake? There are plenty of other capable OC's and head coaches who can find a way to utilize the guy's talent. 
    He's known for getting a lot out of QB's and called a quarterback whisperer.

    It's not hard to see that when he left the team really went to shit.  The whole Niners team overachieved with him there.
    He's hardly the only coach ever to be known for getting a lot out of his qb's. He had 3 good seasons as a coach in the NFL before hightailing it to Michigan. Big deal. 

    And 5 years later the team was in the Super Bowl again without him. 
    Without Kap too.

    EDIT: And with the better QB in Garapolo.
    what other personnel changes were made in that time?
     
    The main thing that changed was Harbaugh leaving in my eyes.  
    Joe Staley was the only 49er on the roster for both SB 47 and SB 54, so I'd say there was a tad more to it than Harbaugh leaving.
    Using one OL that stuck around isn't a very convincing argument.

    1-The team overachieved.  It's ok to say that and to admit that.  Teams do it all the time.
    2-Harbaugh left.  He saw the ship going down and had zero desire to try and right it because of management he dealt with in the upstairs.
    3-Kap isn't that good, see #1.
    4-Trent Dilfer won a Superbowl.  I repeat, Trent Dilfer.
    If he was such a good coach why did he leave when he saw the ship going down? He was 8-8 in his last year there too. You're giving this guy way too much credit.

    Kap is absolutely good enough to be a quarterback in the NFL. There is no disputing that. Had our fucking president not turned his peaceful protest into a rallying cry for his ignorant racist base, he would never have left. 


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  • tempo_n_groove
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    Poncier said:
    My argument is that the whole team changed form one SB appearance to the next, it wasn't just Harbaugh leaving. So what Harbaugh did there (and Kaepernick as well) has nothing to with the current success. Mickey asked what personnel changes were made, and you said the main change was Harbaugh leaving...the entire team has changed. 52 of 53 players.
    Yeah I mentioned that actually.

    I said "Well if you are a coach you get to pick your staff so all of Harbaughs guys are gone. Only Rathman remained."

    I was referring to when Harbaugh left though, not when they recently made it to the Superbowl.
  • Glorified KC
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    Trent Dilfer had arguably the best defense in the history of the sport on the other side of the ball.  Did Brian Billick make that big of a difference too?
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 42,010
    The Juggler said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Poncier said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    There are absolutely teams who could use Kaepernick. My fucking team could've used him last year, I know that. 

    I also do not buy the "once Harbaugh left, he was done" argument. Is Jim Harbaugh Don Shula for Christ's sake? There are plenty of other capable OC's and head coaches who can find a way to utilize the guy's talent. 
    He's known for getting a lot out of QB's and called a quarterback whisperer.

    It's not hard to see that when he left the team really went to shit.  The whole Niners team overachieved with him there.
    He's hardly the only coach ever to be known for getting a lot out of his qb's. He had 3 good seasons as a coach in the NFL before hightailing it to Michigan. Big deal. 

    And 5 years later the team was in the Super Bowl again without him. 
    Without Kap too.

    EDIT: And with the better QB in Garapolo.
    what other personnel changes were made in that time?
     
    The main thing that changed was Harbaugh leaving in my eyes.  
    Joe Staley was the only 49er on the roster for both SB 47 and SB 54, so I'd say there was a tad more to it than Harbaugh leaving.
    Using one OL that stuck around isn't a very convincing argument.

    1-The team overachieved.  It's ok to say that and to admit that.  Teams do it all the time.
    2-Harbaugh left.  He saw the ship going down and had zero desire to try and right it because of management he dealt with in the upstairs.
    3-Kap isn't that good, see #1.
    4-Trent Dilfer won a Superbowl.  I repeat, Trent Dilfer.
    If he was such a good coach why did he leave when he saw the ship going down? He was 8-8 in his last year there too. You're giving this guy way too much credit.

    Kap is absolutely good enough to be a quarterback in the NFL. There is no disputing that. Had our fucking president not turned his peaceful protest into a rallying cry for his ignorant racist base, he would never have left. 


    Harbaugh left because he couldn't get along with the niners management which is why the ship was going down AND his dream job came about in coaching Michigan.  This is well documented and no secret.

    Kap, the last 2 years showed signs of waning.  You could see that he wasn't the same.  He had flashes like all players do but he wasn't the same.

    If he comes back he will be a backup at best and I don't expect him to be a backup being away this long.
  • tempo_n_groove
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    cdthomas1981 said:
    Trent Dilfer had arguably the best defense in the history of the sport on the other side of the ball.  Did Brian Billick make that big of a difference too?
    So did Flacco and Manning.  Difference was Manning was a QB w half an arm and still better than most of the league.

    My point was even bad QB's can win a Superbowl if the stars align.

    We can go on all day about bad QB's whom got 1 shot in the SB.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 42,010
    Oh and for the record I supported Kap from day 1.  Just wanted to put that out there.
  • Glorified KC
    Glorified KC KCMO Native Posts: 2,814
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Oh and for the record I supported Kap from day 1.  Just wanted to put that out there.
    I'm not personally doubting your support for Kap, it's more of where I think he is as a football player.  That's something we'll have to agree to disagree on.

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  • tempo_n_groove
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    cdthomas1981 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Oh and for the record I supported Kap from day 1.  Just wanted to put that out there.
    I'm not personally doubting your support for Kap, it's more of where I think he is as a football player.  That's something we'll have to agree to disagree on.

    Yeah, I think that Tebow was banished from the league for what he did too though. I brought this up before.
  • Poncier
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    cdthomas1981 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Oh and for the record I supported Kap from day 1.  Just wanted to put that out there.
    I'm not personally doubting your support for Kap, it's more of where I think he is as a football player.  That's something we'll have to agree to disagree on.

    Yeah, I think that Tebow was banished from the league for what he did too though. I brought this up before.
    Lots of players get banished for sucking, Tebow isn't alone in that regard.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 42,010
    Poncier said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    cdthomas1981 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Oh and for the record I supported Kap from day 1.  Just wanted to put that out there.
    I'm not personally doubting your support for Kap, it's more of where I think he is as a football player.  That's something we'll have to agree to disagree on.

    Yeah, I think that Tebow was banished from the league for what he did too though. I brought this up before.
    Lots of players get banished for sucking, Tebow isn't alone in that regard.
    lol.  He won saved their season, won a playoff game for the Broncos and then was let go the next year.  I am a Broncos fan so I watched when he came in and KEPT WINNING and defying all of the experts predictions.  His QBR stunk but he won.  I would have tried him for at least one more season.

    Then the poor bastard went to the Jets and they are well know for ruining QB's.

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