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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited June 2020
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Daytime footage of the toppled Washington statue....


    Classy...I guess Lincoln is next?  He didn’t do any favors for the Native Americans with the Homestead Act, forcing them off their territories and onto reservations...:
    https://www.history.com/topics/american-civil-war/homestead-act

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  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,963
    Once all the statues are down our currency will need to be changed next.
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,991
    edited June 2020
    PJPOWER said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Daytime footage of the toppled Washington statue....


    I guess Lincoln is next?  He didn’t do any favors for the Native Americans with the Homestead Act, forcing them off their territories and onto reservations...:
    https://www.history.com/topics/american-civil-war/homestead-act

    Probably. He did say this in a 1858 debate against Stephen Douglas.....

    “I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races … I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races from living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be a position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

    They'll probably replace the Lincoln Memorial with the George Floyd Memorial sometime during Biden's presidency. 
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited June 2020
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Daytime footage of the toppled Washington statue....


    I guess Lincoln is next?  He didn’t do any favors for the Native Americans with the Homestead Act, forcing them off their territories and onto reservations...:
    https://www.history.com/topics/american-civil-war/homestead-act

    Probably. He did say this in a 1858 debate against Stephen Douglas.....

    “I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races … I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races from living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be a position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

    They'll probably replace the Lincoln Memorial with the George Floyd Memorial sometime during Biden's presidency. 
    Most likely, it was all “white politics” for Lincoln.  He didn’t even declare black slaves free in Union held states for fear of losing their support until he was pushed hard to do so.  Lincoln was just another politician...
    Frederick Douglas was the real “hero” of the times.

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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,317
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    I guess Portland stuff can go in this thread too since it's a similar situation. Here's the toppling of a George Washington statue last night, along with burning the flag on top of it.





    I hope they start burning their money too.
  • tempo_n_groove
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    bbiggs said:
    Once all the statues are down our currency will need to be changed next.
    Will Sacagewea be spared?  She did cooperate w the white man.
  • Ledbetterman10
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    bbiggs said:
    Once all the statues are down our currency will need to be changed next.
    I actually saw someone on Twitter the other day questioning if FDR should still be on the dime, because of the WW2 internment camps.
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  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    bbiggs said:
    Once all the statues are down our currency will need to be changed next.
    I actually saw someone on Twitter the other day questioning if FDR should still be on the dime, because of the WW2 internment camps.

    That was certainly a low point in American history
  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,963
    I'm telling you folks, currency will be next.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,317
    bbiggs said:
    I'm telling you folks, currency will be next.
    Is this when we turn to "credit only" and fuck ourselves and the powers that be are happy that no more currency exists?
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    bbiggs said:
    I'm telling you folks, currency will be next.
    It’s all apps, Bitcoin, Apple Pay and debit and credit cards anyway.
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    Smellyman said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    bbiggs said:
    Once all the statues are down our currency will need to be changed next.
    I actually saw someone on Twitter the other day questioning if FDR should still be on the dime, because of the WW2 internment camps.
    That was certainly a low point in American history
    Yeah I don't disagree with that. 
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  • tempo_n_groove
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    bbiggs said:
    I'm telling you folks, currency will be next.
    It’s all apps, Bitcoin, Apple Pay and debit and credit cards anyway.
    Apps and apple pay and credit cards the powers that be like, it's Bitcoin that can't be traced that they don't.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,317
    So, is there any new footage of the CHOP zone lately?

    If that reporter has been a pillar of the news community in Seattle for a while that mob sure didn't know who the hell she was.  The fact that she works for FOX didn't help her cause either.

    If there is new footage I would like to see it.  For now I am down w CHOP.  No leaders equals chaos, simple as that.  The infighting should be coming next.

    The umbrella shield like the Spartans from 300 was a nice touch.  Maybe when the move in unison they can yell "awhoo, awhoo" and bang their chests too.
  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,199
    According to Rolling Stone , it’s still all good there. So it must be true. 
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,317
    nicknyr15 said:
    According to Rolling Stone , it’s still all good there. So it must be true. 
    Just wondering if because she worked for FOX if that is why they acted like that.  One of them clearly said "You are part of the problem" to that reporter.
  • josevolution
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    JW269453 said:
    jeffbr said:
    As someone who has generally supported its existence, I've cooled on it. It is a fine place while the sun is shining, but at night it has turned a bit of a shit show, unfortunately. There are 3 reasons why my support for CHAZ/CHOP has waned: 1) Lawlessness and assholes come out of the woodwork at night; 2) Confused and mixed messages, lack of clarity, multiple "leaders" and no leadership, inability to communicate a message in a coherent way, inability to unify and stick to agreements or negotiate responsibly; 3) the people in the autonomous zone have alienated all of the actual BLM and African American organizations who have existed and have been working with the city. So CHAZ/CHOP doesn't really represent the movement they purport to as far as I can tell. It looks like mostly white punks with some brown and black sprinkled in co-opting the BLM movement to me. There are some African Americans there, but it is a pretty white bunch of folks on the whole. I'm all for counter-culture, but I think they're really pushing it now. The neighborhoods around the area were generally supportive initially but now are done with them. I know a few people who live right there, and they've had it. Noise, partying and stupidity from sundown to sun-up. People are afraid to walk in their neighborhoods after dark. They had just negotiated re-opening a lane of traffic on a  thoroughfare for cars and emergency services. The Fire Chief had worked with the group to negotiate that, but 1 day later, other elements or new "leaders" decided from 10pm - 6pm they would block the street. So that group doesn't have any ability to negotiate or agree on anything, even among themselves. 

    To give you an idea of the shit heads that are keeping watch at CHOP, here is some raw video footage from Brandi Kruse, a local TV reporter. Brandi is one of the more intelligent reporters in Seattle, and is one of the least biased I've seen. She does a show called The Divide where she attempts to have differing viewpoints come together to find common ground. She'll bash left and right stupidity when it is warranted. Unfortunately, the station she works at was purchased this past year by Fox Network, but her time here pre-dates her Fox affiliation. Anyway, here is a link to some raw footage where she was mobbed and nearly assaulted by those assholes. So instead of having a shred of intellect, and attempting to get their message across through a news reporter, they harass and nearly assault her and her crew. BTW, her body guard in the green hoodie is the same guy who disarmed 2 of the shit-stirrers downtown a couple of weeks ago during the riots after the idiots stole AR-15s from cop cars. He's a bad-ass ex-Marine who could twist their pencil necks and snap them in two. Here's the footage. If the word fuck offends, you may want to pass, as that's probably heard >300 times in the 15 minute video. I highly recommend people watch this to get a picture of life after dark in CHOP:

    https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=600727890649078

    So at this point I stand with BLM, I support black leadership in the city, and stand against CHOP. They lost my support, the support of a lot of the neighborhood, the support of many established community organizers, and they're rapidly losing support of others who would normally align with their ideals but for their idiocy.  I know I supported CHAZ/CHOP initially, but they've demonstrated a remarkable inability to accomplish anything at all except chaos and confusion. If they get their shit together, I could see changing my mind about them yet again but for now I consider this a failed social experiment. BTW, yesterday the real AA community advocate organizations were able to get the Seattle Police Officers Guild kicked out of the King County Labor Council. The labor council is a group of various unions (about 150 of them) representing ~100k workers in Seattle. They have no desire to be associated with SPOG going forward. So they are still making change and accomplishing things. Can't say the same for CHOP. Sorry for the 180 on this one but it has become stupid. Anarchy is not practicable. At least not for people with limited intellectual ability as CHOP is currently demonstrating.
    Good insight from someone close to the situation. Thanks for sharing.
    Agreed, these kinds of sit ins or whatever they wanna be called are not something I’d want for my neighborhood! 
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  • nicknyr15
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    According to Rolling Stone , it’s still all good there. So it must be true. 
    Just wondering if because she worked for FOX if that is why they acted like that.  One of them clearly said "You are part of the problem" to that reporter.
    Yea, to me it doesn’t matter where she worked. Doesn’t give them the right to act like animals.
  • cutz
    cutz Posts: 12,224
    tempo_n_groove said:
    So, is there any new footage of the CHOP zone lately?

    If that reporter has been a pillar of the news community in Seattle for a while that mob sure didn't know who the hell she was.  The fact that she works for FOX didn't help her cause either.

    If there is new footage I would like to see it.  For now I am down w CHOP.  No leaders equals chaos, simple as that.  The infighting should be coming next.

    The umbrella shield like the Spartans from 300 was a nice touch.  Maybe when the move in unison they can yell "awhoo, awhoo" and bang their chests too.
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  • Smellyman
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    According to Rolling Stone , it’s still all good there. So it must be true. 
    Just wondering if because she worked for FOX if that is why they acted like that.  One of them clearly said "You are part of the problem" to that reporter.

    Yes, it was because FOX and it was before CHOP

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