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I'm sitting this one out
Elections are choices, folks.mrussel1 said:
This one's too old, this one is too young. I don't like his education platform, but this one has a subpar record on public housing.dankind said:
And that's exactly why I can't vote for a septuagenarian to be in that position.mrussel1 said:
Not meaningless, but likely less meaningful. No offense to a school levy, but leader of the free world has further reaching consequences.dankind said:
And by tired tropes that likely just showed up in the finger waggers' Facebook/Twitter feeds at that.pjl44 said:If there's an enthusiasm problem, it's probably because enough voters haven't been properly scolded
I guess the hope is to keep repeating them until someone else who lacks critical thinking skills accepts them as facts.
Wonder who else I've seen do that...?
Oh, and I guess the 20 or so other votes I cast on election day -- all pro-fascist, of course -- are meaningless. But the one vote I might leave blank is the only one that matters.
And it's why I didn't vote for Barack in 2008 in what was essentially the dude's first real job. I'll admit that my misgivings were completely wrong about the latter. He was the best president of my lifetime. I mean, sure, he ordered drone strikes on US citizens, one a child, but, hey, we all make mistakes, right?
I know, right?Poncier said:
Dude you live in MA, your vote could finally tip the state blue if you vote for Biden.dankind said:pjl44 said:If there's an enthusiasm problem, it's probably because enough voters haven't been properly scolded
Oh, and I guess the 20 or so other votes I cast on election day -- all pro-fascist, of course -- are meaningless. But the one vote I might leave blank is the only one that matters.
Elections are choices and those choices will never align with all of your beliefs. But someone is winning the election.
In case y'all didn't know....
And here I thought I was just doing arts and crafts projects all those past elections in which I've partaken.
I have no issue with someone winning the election. That will always be the end result. I've picked many winners, and I've picked many losers.
Finally, I didn't abstain from voting for Obama in 2008 because he was too young; I did so because he was inexperienced. I loved everything the man had to say before and while campaigning, but I couldn't overlook the fact that it seemed a huge job for a person with a half-page résumé. And I admitted that I was wrong. Anyone here ever done that?I SAW PEARL JAM0 -
You like coloring in the circles too? I’m very careful, take my time and stay within the lines. It’s a challenge but I do it. And sometimes I get yelled at for using green or red ink. Wish we could use crayons but you know, technology. It takes some of the fun out of it but it’s participatory arts, crafts and democracy. Woot!dankind said:
Elections are choices, folks.mrussel1 said:
This one's too old, this one is too young. I don't like his education platform, but this one has a subpar record on public housing.dankind said:
And that's exactly why I can't vote for a septuagenarian to be in that position.mrussel1 said:
Not meaningless, but likely less meaningful. No offense to a school levy, but leader of the free world has further reaching consequences.dankind said:
And by tired tropes that likely just showed up in the finger waggers' Facebook/Twitter feeds at that.pjl44 said:If there's an enthusiasm problem, it's probably because enough voters haven't been properly scolded
I guess the hope is to keep repeating them until someone else who lacks critical thinking skills accepts them as facts.
Wonder who else I've seen do that...?
Oh, and I guess the 20 or so other votes I cast on election day -- all pro-fascist, of course -- are meaningless. But the one vote I might leave blank is the only one that matters.
And it's why I didn't vote for Barack in 2008 in what was essentially the dude's first real job. I'll admit that my misgivings were completely wrong about the latter. He was the best president of my lifetime. I mean, sure, he ordered drone strikes on US citizens, one a child, but, hey, we all make mistakes, right?
I know, right?Poncier said:
Dude you live in MA, your vote could finally tip the state blue if you vote for Biden.dankind said:pjl44 said:If there's an enthusiasm problem, it's probably because enough voters haven't been properly scolded
Oh, and I guess the 20 or so other votes I cast on election day -- all pro-fascist, of course -- are meaningless. But the one vote I might leave blank is the only one that matters.
Elections are choices and those choices will never align with all of your beliefs. But someone is winning the election.
In case y'all didn't know....
And here I thought I was just doing arts and crafts projects all those past elections in which I've partaken.
I have no issue with someone winning the election. That will always be the end result. I've picked many winners, and I've picked many losers.
Finally, I didn't abstain from voting for Obama in 2008 because he was too young; I did so because he was inexperienced. I loved everything the man had to say before and while campaigning, but I couldn't overlook the fact that it seemed a huge job for a person with a half-page résumé. And I admitted that I was wrong. Anyone here ever done that?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Thread topics on this forum is in no way an accurate measurement of world impact, I would say.mrussel1 said:
It was, and it still moves the needle far more than any other individual country does.oftenreading said:
Time and passed time to dial back on the “leader of the free world” rhetoric, because the US is far from that these days, if it ever really was.mrussel1 said:
Not meaningless, but likely less meaningful. No offense to a school levy, but leader of the free world has further reaching consequences.dankind said:
And by tired tropes that likely just showed up in the finger waggers' Facebook/Twitter feeds at that.pjl44 said:If there's an enthusiasm problem, it's probably because enough voters haven't been properly scolded
I guess the hope is to keep repeating them until someone else who lacks critical thinking skills accepts them as facts.
Wonder who else I've seen do that...?
Oh, and I guess the 20 or so other votes I cast on election day -- all pro-fascist, of course -- are meaningless. But the one vote I might leave blank is the only one that matters.
It's also a saying. So while you may disagree, I don't see any huge threads dedicated to Trudeau, Merkel, Xi, etc.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
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Ok got a better one? How about our economic impact? GDP perhaps? Ours is 20 trillion. The next closest is 12 trillion. Canada is 1.6.oftenreading said:
Thread topics on this forum is in no way an accurate measurement of world impact, I would say.mrussel1 said:
It was, and it still moves the needle far more than any other individual country does.oftenreading said:
Time and passed time to dial back on the “leader of the free world” rhetoric, because the US is far from that these days, if it ever really was.mrussel1 said:
Not meaningless, but likely less meaningful. No offense to a school levy, but leader of the free world has further reaching consequences.dankind said:
And by tired tropes that likely just showed up in the finger waggers' Facebook/Twitter feeds at that.pjl44 said:If there's an enthusiasm problem, it's probably because enough voters haven't been properly scolded
I guess the hope is to keep repeating them until someone else who lacks critical thinking skills accepts them as facts.
Wonder who else I've seen do that...?
Oh, and I guess the 20 or so other votes I cast on election day -- all pro-fascist, of course -- are meaningless. But the one vote I might leave blank is the only one that matters.
It's also a saying. So while you may disagree, I don't see any huge threads dedicated to Trudeau, Merkel, Xi, etc.
Size of military? I think you know where that stands.0 -
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It's great that you admit you're wrong. Why aren't you wrong again? Fortunately you're evidently in Massachusetts so maybe you have the luxury of being wrong.dankind said:
Elections are choices, folks.mrussel1 said:
This one's too old, this one is too young. I don't like his education platform, but this one has a subpar record on public housing.dankind said:
And that's exactly why I can't vote for a septuagenarian to be in that position.mrussel1 said:
Not meaningless, but likely less meaningful. No offense to a school levy, but leader of the free world has further reaching consequences.dankind said:
And by tired tropes that likely just showed up in the finger waggers' Facebook/Twitter feeds at that.pjl44 said:If there's an enthusiasm problem, it's probably because enough voters haven't been properly scolded
I guess the hope is to keep repeating them until someone else who lacks critical thinking skills accepts them as facts.
Wonder who else I've seen do that...?
Oh, and I guess the 20 or so other votes I cast on election day -- all pro-fascist, of course -- are meaningless. But the one vote I might leave blank is the only one that matters.
And it's why I didn't vote for Barack in 2008 in what was essentially the dude's first real job. I'll admit that my misgivings were completely wrong about the latter. He was the best president of my lifetime. I mean, sure, he ordered drone strikes on US citizens, one a child, but, hey, we all make mistakes, right?
I know, right?Poncier said:
Dude you live in MA, your vote could finally tip the state blue if you vote for Biden.dankind said:pjl44 said:If there's an enthusiasm problem, it's probably because enough voters haven't been properly scolded
Oh, and I guess the 20 or so other votes I cast on election day -- all pro-fascist, of course -- are meaningless. But the one vote I might leave blank is the only one that matters.
Elections are choices and those choices will never align with all of your beliefs. But someone is winning the election.
In case y'all didn't know....
And here I thought I was just doing arts and crafts projects all those past elections in which I've partaken.
I have no issue with someone winning the election. That will always be the end result. I've picked many winners, and I've picked many losers.
Finally, I didn't abstain from voting for Obama in 2008 because he was too young; I did so because he was inexperienced. I loved everything the man had to say before and while campaigning, but I couldn't overlook the fact that it seemed a huge job for a person with a half-page résumé. And I admitted that I was wrong. Anyone here ever done that?
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I'm sitting this one out
I'm not wrong again because I don't have a time machine to take me to 2024 to see how a possible Biden presidency plays out.mrussel1 said:
It's great that you admit you're wrong. Why aren't you wrong again? Fortunately you're evidently in Massachusetts so maybe you have the luxury of being wrong.dankind said:
Elections are choices, folks.mrussel1 said:
This one's too old, this one is too young. I don't like his education platform, but this one has a subpar record on public housing.dankind said:
And that's exactly why I can't vote for a septuagenarian to be in that position.mrussel1 said:
Not meaningless, but likely less meaningful. No offense to a school levy, but leader of the free world has further reaching consequences.dankind said:
And by tired tropes that likely just showed up in the finger waggers' Facebook/Twitter feeds at that.pjl44 said:If there's an enthusiasm problem, it's probably because enough voters haven't been properly scolded
I guess the hope is to keep repeating them until someone else who lacks critical thinking skills accepts them as facts.
Wonder who else I've seen do that...?
Oh, and I guess the 20 or so other votes I cast on election day -- all pro-fascist, of course -- are meaningless. But the one vote I might leave blank is the only one that matters.
And it's why I didn't vote for Barack in 2008 in what was essentially the dude's first real job. I'll admit that my misgivings were completely wrong about the latter. He was the best president of my lifetime. I mean, sure, he ordered drone strikes on US citizens, one a child, but, hey, we all make mistakes, right?
I know, right?Poncier said:
Dude you live in MA, your vote could finally tip the state blue if you vote for Biden.dankind said:pjl44 said:If there's an enthusiasm problem, it's probably because enough voters haven't been properly scolded
Oh, and I guess the 20 or so other votes I cast on election day -- all pro-fascist, of course -- are meaningless. But the one vote I might leave blank is the only one that matters.
Elections are choices and those choices will never align with all of your beliefs. But someone is winning the election.
In case y'all didn't know....
And here I thought I was just doing arts and crafts projects all those past elections in which I've partaken.
I have no issue with someone winning the election. That will always be the end result. I've picked many winners, and I've picked many losers.
Finally, I didn't abstain from voting for Obama in 2008 because he was too young; I did so because he was inexperienced. I loved everything the man had to say before and while campaigning, but I couldn't overlook the fact that it seemed a huge job for a person with a half-page résumé. And I admitted that I was wrong. Anyone here ever done that?
Hindsight is 20/20.
I do hope I'm wrong. But as evidenced in 2008, I don't vote for hope.
And yes, I lived in Brooklyn in 2008 and Massachusetts now, so perhaps I don't feel as compelled as I might if I still resided in my home state of Florida. I also don't have a spore drive to take me an alternate universe in which I never left Florida, so I don't know that either, though.
I understand that I'm wrong in y'all's opinion. Good thing opinions don't matter.I SAW PEARL JAM0 -
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Well I guess the question is, did you learn anything from your decision in 08. Rhetorical.dankind said:
I'm not wrong again because I don't have a time machine to take me to 2024 to see how a possible Biden presidency plays out.mrussel1 said:
It's great that you admit you're wrong. Why aren't you wrong again? Fortunately you're evidently in Massachusetts so maybe you have the luxury of being wrong.dankind said:
Elections are choices, folks.mrussel1 said:
This one's too old, this one is too young. I don't like his education platform, but this one has a subpar record on public housing.dankind said:
And that's exactly why I can't vote for a septuagenarian to be in that position.mrussel1 said:
Not meaningless, but likely less meaningful. No offense to a school levy, but leader of the free world has further reaching consequences.dankind said:
And by tired tropes that likely just showed up in the finger waggers' Facebook/Twitter feeds at that.pjl44 said:If there's an enthusiasm problem, it's probably because enough voters haven't been properly scolded
I guess the hope is to keep repeating them until someone else who lacks critical thinking skills accepts them as facts.
Wonder who else I've seen do that...?
Oh, and I guess the 20 or so other votes I cast on election day -- all pro-fascist, of course -- are meaningless. But the one vote I might leave blank is the only one that matters.
And it's why I didn't vote for Barack in 2008 in what was essentially the dude's first real job. I'll admit that my misgivings were completely wrong about the latter. He was the best president of my lifetime. I mean, sure, he ordered drone strikes on US citizens, one a child, but, hey, we all make mistakes, right?
I know, right?Poncier said:
Dude you live in MA, your vote could finally tip the state blue if you vote for Biden.dankind said:pjl44 said:If there's an enthusiasm problem, it's probably because enough voters haven't been properly scolded
Oh, and I guess the 20 or so other votes I cast on election day -- all pro-fascist, of course -- are meaningless. But the one vote I might leave blank is the only one that matters.
Elections are choices and those choices will never align with all of your beliefs. But someone is winning the election.
In case y'all didn't know....
And here I thought I was just doing arts and crafts projects all those past elections in which I've partaken.
I have no issue with someone winning the election. That will always be the end result. I've picked many winners, and I've picked many losers.
Finally, I didn't abstain from voting for Obama in 2008 because he was too young; I did so because he was inexperienced. I loved everything the man had to say before and while campaigning, but I couldn't overlook the fact that it seemed a huge job for a person with a half-page résumé. And I admitted that I was wrong. Anyone here ever done that?
Hindsight is 20/20.
I do hope I'm wrong. But as evidenced in 2008, I don't vote for hope.
And yes, I lived in Brooklyn in 2008 and Massachusetts now, so perhaps I don't feel as compelled as I might if I still resided in my home state of Florida. I also don't have a spore drive to take me an alternate universe in which I never left Florida, so I don't know that either, though.
I understand that I'm wrong in y'all's opinion. Good thing opinions don't matter.
Btw, did you vote for Obama in 12?0 -
I'm sitting this one out
I did not vote for Obama in 2012 (see drone strikes on US citizens, one a child).mrussel1 said:
Well I guess the question is, did you learn anything from your decision in 08. Rhetorical.dankind said:
I'm not wrong again because I don't have a time machine to take me to 2024 to see how a possible Biden presidency plays out.mrussel1 said:
It's great that you admit you're wrong. Why aren't you wrong again? Fortunately you're evidently in Massachusetts so maybe you have the luxury of being wrong.dankind said:
Elections are choices, folks.mrussel1 said:
This one's too old, this one is too young. I don't like his education platform, but this one has a subpar record on public housing.dankind said:
And that's exactly why I can't vote for a septuagenarian to be in that position.mrussel1 said:
Not meaningless, but likely less meaningful. No offense to a school levy, but leader of the free world has further reaching consequences.dankind said:
And by tired tropes that likely just showed up in the finger waggers' Facebook/Twitter feeds at that.pjl44 said:If there's an enthusiasm problem, it's probably because enough voters haven't been properly scolded
I guess the hope is to keep repeating them until someone else who lacks critical thinking skills accepts them as facts.
Wonder who else I've seen do that...?
Oh, and I guess the 20 or so other votes I cast on election day -- all pro-fascist, of course -- are meaningless. But the one vote I might leave blank is the only one that matters.
And it's why I didn't vote for Barack in 2008 in what was essentially the dude's first real job. I'll admit that my misgivings were completely wrong about the latter. He was the best president of my lifetime. I mean, sure, he ordered drone strikes on US citizens, one a child, but, hey, we all make mistakes, right?
I know, right?Poncier said:
Dude you live in MA, your vote could finally tip the state blue if you vote for Biden.dankind said:pjl44 said:If there's an enthusiasm problem, it's probably because enough voters haven't been properly scolded
Oh, and I guess the 20 or so other votes I cast on election day -- all pro-fascist, of course -- are meaningless. But the one vote I might leave blank is the only one that matters.
Elections are choices and those choices will never align with all of your beliefs. But someone is winning the election.
In case y'all didn't know....
And here I thought I was just doing arts and crafts projects all those past elections in which I've partaken.
I have no issue with someone winning the election. That will always be the end result. I've picked many winners, and I've picked many losers.
Finally, I didn't abstain from voting for Obama in 2008 because he was too young; I did so because he was inexperienced. I loved everything the man had to say before and while campaigning, but I couldn't overlook the fact that it seemed a huge job for a person with a half-page résumé. And I admitted that I was wrong. Anyone here ever done that?
Hindsight is 20/20.
I do hope I'm wrong. But as evidenced in 2008, I don't vote for hope.
And yes, I lived in Brooklyn in 2008 and Massachusetts now, so perhaps I don't feel as compelled as I might if I still resided in my home state of Florida. I also don't have a spore drive to take me an alternate universe in which I never left Florida, so I don't know that either, though.
I understand that I'm wrong in y'all's opinion. Good thing opinions don't matter.
Btw, did you vote for Obama in 12?I SAW PEARL JAM0 -
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So, had Obama not ordered that particular strike, or if that 16 year old wasn't where he was, you would have voted for Obama. Is that right?dankind said:
I did not vote for Obama in 2012 (see drone strikes on US citizens, one a child).mrussel1 said:
Well I guess the question is, did you learn anything from your decision in 08. Rhetorical.dankind said:
I'm not wrong again because I don't have a time machine to take me to 2024 to see how a possible Biden presidency plays out.mrussel1 said:
It's great that you admit you're wrong. Why aren't you wrong again? Fortunately you're evidently in Massachusetts so maybe you have the luxury of being wrong.dankind said:
Elections are choices, folks.mrussel1 said:
This one's too old, this one is too young. I don't like his education platform, but this one has a subpar record on public housing.dankind said:
And that's exactly why I can't vote for a septuagenarian to be in that position.mrussel1 said:
Not meaningless, but likely less meaningful. No offense to a school levy, but leader of the free world has further reaching consequences.dankind said:
And by tired tropes that likely just showed up in the finger waggers' Facebook/Twitter feeds at that.pjl44 said:If there's an enthusiasm problem, it's probably because enough voters haven't been properly scolded
I guess the hope is to keep repeating them until someone else who lacks critical thinking skills accepts them as facts.
Wonder who else I've seen do that...?
Oh, and I guess the 20 or so other votes I cast on election day -- all pro-fascist, of course -- are meaningless. But the one vote I might leave blank is the only one that matters.
And it's why I didn't vote for Barack in 2008 in what was essentially the dude's first real job. I'll admit that my misgivings were completely wrong about the latter. He was the best president of my lifetime. I mean, sure, he ordered drone strikes on US citizens, one a child, but, hey, we all make mistakes, right?
I know, right?Poncier said:
Dude you live in MA, your vote could finally tip the state blue if you vote for Biden.dankind said:pjl44 said:If there's an enthusiasm problem, it's probably because enough voters haven't been properly scolded
Oh, and I guess the 20 or so other votes I cast on election day -- all pro-fascist, of course -- are meaningless. But the one vote I might leave blank is the only one that matters.
Elections are choices and those choices will never align with all of your beliefs. But someone is winning the election.
In case y'all didn't know....
And here I thought I was just doing arts and crafts projects all those past elections in which I've partaken.
I have no issue with someone winning the election. That will always be the end result. I've picked many winners, and I've picked many losers.
Finally, I didn't abstain from voting for Obama in 2008 because he was too young; I did so because he was inexperienced. I loved everything the man had to say before and while campaigning, but I couldn't overlook the fact that it seemed a huge job for a person with a half-page résumé. And I admitted that I was wrong. Anyone here ever done that?
Hindsight is 20/20.
I do hope I'm wrong. But as evidenced in 2008, I don't vote for hope.
And yes, I lived in Brooklyn in 2008 and Massachusetts now, so perhaps I don't feel as compelled as I might if I still resided in my home state of Florida. I also don't have a spore drive to take me an alternate universe in which I never left Florida, so I don't know that either, though.
I understand that I'm wrong in y'all's opinion. Good thing opinions don't matter.
Btw, did you vote for Obama in 12?0 -
I'm sitting this one outOhh cool, we are playing alternate past again. Here's one. If Mike Tyson was fighting in the same era as Muhammad Ali, who would be most remembered? My money is on Iron Mike, that uppercut had the worst of intentions.
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Yeah to say the US never was is just being argumentative or obtuse. But it certainly isn’t right now.mrussel1 said:
Ok got a better one? How about our economic impact? GDP perhaps? Ours is 20 trillion. The next closest is 12 trillion. Canada is 1.6.oftenreading said:
Thread topics on this forum is in no way an accurate measurement of world impact, I would say.mrussel1 said:
It was, and it still moves the needle far more than any other individual country does.oftenreading said:
Time and passed time to dial back on the “leader of the free world” rhetoric, because the US is far from that these days, if it ever really was.mrussel1 said:
Not meaningless, but likely less meaningful. No offense to a school levy, but leader of the free world has further reaching consequences.dankind said:
And by tired tropes that likely just showed up in the finger waggers' Facebook/Twitter feeds at that.pjl44 said:If there's an enthusiasm problem, it's probably because enough voters haven't been properly scolded
I guess the hope is to keep repeating them until someone else who lacks critical thinking skills accepts them as facts.
Wonder who else I've seen do that...?
Oh, and I guess the 20 or so other votes I cast on election day -- all pro-fascist, of course -- are meaningless. But the one vote I might leave blank is the only one that matters.
It's also a saying. So while you may disagree, I don't see any huge threads dedicated to Trudeau, Merkel, Xi, etc.
Size of military? I think you know where that stands.hippiemom = goodness0 -
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You're terrible at analogies. I'm asking a question about what someone would have done had a mitigating circumstance been different; one he specifically identified as being the cause of an action. That's quite a bit different than asking what would have Bobby Thompson done had he not known the pitch that was coming. Try harder.JW269453 said:Ohh cool, we are playing alternate past again. Here's one. If Mike Tyson was fighting in the same era as Muhammad Ali, who would be most remembered? My money is on Iron Mike, that uppercut had the worst of intentions.Post edited by mrussel1 on0 -
I'm sitting this one out
What’s the point in asking the question? The action taken cannot be undone, therefore the answer means/changes nothing. I still enjoy alternate past, and I will try harder next time I feel it is a good time to play.mrussel1 said:
You're terrible at analogies. I'm asking a question about what someone would have done had a mitigating circumstance been different; one he specifically identified as being the cause of an action. That's quite a bit different than asking what would have Bobby Thompson done had he not known the pitch that was coming. Try harder.JW269453 said:Ohh cool, we are playing alternate past again. Here's one. If Mike Tyson was fighting in the same era as Muhammad Ali, who would be most remembered? My money is on Iron Mike, that uppercut had the worst of intentions.0 -
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The point is my curiosity into his thinking. Is it truly that one incident that led him not to vote, or would the bar move? It's not some complex alternate history. Im not asking about Hitler winning the war or Dewey defeating Truman.JW269453 said:
What’s the point in asking the question? The action taken cannot be undone, therefore the answer means/changes nothing. I still enjoy alternate past, and I will try harder next time I feel it is a good time to play.mrussel1 said:
You're terrible at analogies. I'm asking a question about what someone would have done had a mitigating circumstance been different; one he specifically identified as being the cause of an action. That's quite a bit different than asking what would have Bobby Thompson done had he not known the pitch that was coming. Try harder.JW269453 said:Ohh cool, we are playing alternate past again. Here's one. If Mike Tyson was fighting in the same era as Muhammad Ali, who would be most remembered? My money is on Iron Mike, that uppercut had the worst of intentions.0 -
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If they haven’t changed their minds after yesterday, shame on them.Bentleyspop said:These are the 5 people on here who admit they will vote for the lying racist xenophobic piece of shit....
I almost went for trump in that poll when it was 39-0 just to give the poor chap a vote.0 -
BidenIf only not voting meant you got to have some sort of carte blanche on the atrocities committed while the elected are in office. You're just as responsible as the person who voted because there are millions of you thinking that by abstaining you didn't play a part putting that person in power. Your vote may be singular, but the act of voting is not so both action and inaction determine who gets elected.
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dankind said:
I'm not wrong again because I don't have a time machine to take me to 2024 to see how a possible Biden presidency plays out.mrussel1 said:
It's great that you admit you're wrong. Why aren't you wrong again? Fortunately you're evidently in Massachusetts so maybe you have the luxury of being wrong.dankind said:
Elections are choices, folks.mrussel1 said:
This one's too old, this one is too young. I don't like his education platform, but this one has a subpar record on public housing.dankind said:
And that's exactly why I can't vote for a septuagenarian to be in that position.mrussel1 said:
Not meaningless, but likely less meaningful. No offense to a school levy, but leader of the free world has further reaching consequences.dankind said:
And by tired tropes that likely just showed up in the finger waggers' Facebook/Twitter feeds at that.pjl44 said:If there's an enthusiasm problem, it's probably because enough voters haven't been properly scolded
I guess the hope is to keep repeating them until someone else who lacks critical thinking skills accepts them as facts.
Wonder who else I've seen do that...?
Oh, and I guess the 20 or so other votes I cast on election day -- all pro-fascist, of course -- are meaningless. But the one vote I might leave blank is the only one that matters.
And it's why I didn't vote for Barack in 2008 in what was essentially the dude's first real job. I'll admit that my misgivings were completely wrong about the latter. He was the best president of my lifetime. I mean, sure, he ordered drone strikes on US citizens, one a child, but, hey, we all make mistakes, right?
I know, right?Poncier said:
Dude you live in MA, your vote could finally tip the state blue if you vote for Biden.dankind said:pjl44 said:If there's an enthusiasm problem, it's probably because enough voters haven't been properly scolded
Oh, and I guess the 20 or so other votes I cast on election day -- all pro-fascist, of course -- are meaningless. But the one vote I might leave blank is the only one that matters.
Elections are choices and those choices will never align with all of your beliefs. But someone is winning the election.
In case y'all didn't know....
And here I thought I was just doing arts and crafts projects all those past elections in which I've partaken.
I have no issue with someone winning the election. That will always be the end result. I've picked many winners, and I've picked many losers.
Finally, I didn't abstain from voting for Obama in 2008 because he was too young; I did so because he was inexperienced. I loved everything the man had to say before and while campaigning, but I couldn't overlook the fact that it seemed a huge job for a person with a half-page résumé. And I admitted that I was wrong. Anyone here ever done that?
Hindsight is 20/20.
I do hope I'm wrong. But as evidenced in 2008, I don't vote for hope.
And yes, I lived in Brooklyn in 2008 and Massachusetts now, so perhaps I don't feel as compelled as I might if I still resided in my home state of Florida. I also don't have a spore drive to take me an alternate universe in which I never left Florida, so I don't know that either, though.
I understand that I'm wrong in y'all's opinion. Good thing opinions don't matter.I live in a deep blue state and I will do whatever it takes to vote out trump because after the election I want to go to bed every night knowing I did whatever I could to end his presidency.
You do recognize the big difference between 2017 Trump and 2019 Trump? Point is, back then he could be “handled” by his underlings to some extent, but by now Trump has learned how to exploit the presidency in significant ways. Back then, firing an AG to shut down an investigation into a campaign was something considered impossible, something not even the evil Nixon could pull off. Trump proved it was easy and many didn’t even notice. They take Barr as legitimate and the crimes committed against Clinton as bogus. Now trump bulldozes protesters with tear gas and the military and if you don’t think a second trump term would be significantly more authoritarian i am not sure what you are seeing. The office of the presidency will be significantly damaged should trump get another term.
voting against trump is not political. It is necessary to preserve democracy. And a good nights sleep.0 -
The fact that you think that size of military is a reasonable metric for “leadership of the free world“ confirms that your definition of leadership is diametrically opposed to mine.mrussel1 said:
Ok got a better one? How about our economic impact? GDP perhaps? Ours is 20 trillion. The next closest is 12 trillion. Canada is 1.6.oftenreading said:
Thread topics on this forum is in no way an accurate measurement of world impact, I would say.mrussel1 said:
It was, and it still moves the needle far more than any other individual country does.oftenreading said:
Time and passed time to dial back on the “leader of the free world” rhetoric, because the US is far from that these days, if it ever really was.mrussel1 said:
Not meaningless, but likely less meaningful. No offense to a school levy, but leader of the free world has further reaching consequences.dankind said:
And by tired tropes that likely just showed up in the finger waggers' Facebook/Twitter feeds at that.pjl44 said:If there's an enthusiasm problem, it's probably because enough voters haven't been properly scolded
I guess the hope is to keep repeating them until someone else who lacks critical thinking skills accepts them as facts.
Wonder who else I've seen do that...?
Oh, and I guess the 20 or so other votes I cast on election day -- all pro-fascist, of course -- are meaningless. But the one vote I might leave blank is the only one that matters.
It's also a saying. So while you may disagree, I don't see any huge threads dedicated to Trudeau, Merkel, Xi, etc.
Size of military? I think you know where that stands.If I was going to make a list of countries showing true leadership, I would be looking at metrics such as leading an effective pandemic response, leading in climate change action, leading in social justice and equity, leading in life expectancy and measures of public health, and leading in quality of life, to name a few.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
You act like I have to chose between being argumentative and obtuse. I’m quite sure I can be both.cincybearcat said:
Yeah to say the US never was is just being argumentative or obtuse. But it certainly isn’t right now.mrussel1 said:
Ok got a better one? How about our economic impact? GDP perhaps? Ours is 20 trillion. The next closest is 12 trillion. Canada is 1.6.oftenreading said:
Thread topics on this forum is in no way an accurate measurement of world impact, I would say.mrussel1 said:
It was, and it still moves the needle far more than any other individual country does.oftenreading said:
Time and passed time to dial back on the “leader of the free world” rhetoric, because the US is far from that these days, if it ever really was.mrussel1 said:
Not meaningless, but likely less meaningful. No offense to a school levy, but leader of the free world has further reaching consequences.dankind said:
And by tired tropes that likely just showed up in the finger waggers' Facebook/Twitter feeds at that.pjl44 said:If there's an enthusiasm problem, it's probably because enough voters haven't been properly scolded
I guess the hope is to keep repeating them until someone else who lacks critical thinking skills accepts them as facts.
Wonder who else I've seen do that...?
Oh, and I guess the 20 or so other votes I cast on election day -- all pro-fascist, of course -- are meaningless. But the one vote I might leave blank is the only one that matters.
It's also a saying. So while you may disagree, I don't see any huge threads dedicated to Trudeau, Merkel, Xi, etc.
Size of military? I think you know where that stands.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
Biden
I already stated that Trump ceded that leadership. I also said that it was an expression that was historically true. You asked how so, and GDP is a pretty important factor. If you don't think the US has not dominated the post war era, then you are being argumentative.oftenreading said:
The fact that you think that size of military is a reasonable metric for “leadership of the free world“ confirms that your definition of leadership is diametrically opposed to mine.mrussel1 said:
Ok got a better one? How about our economic impact? GDP perhaps? Ours is 20 trillion. The next closest is 12 trillion. Canada is 1.6.oftenreading said:
Thread topics on this forum is in no way an accurate measurement of world impact, I would say.mrussel1 said:
It was, and it still moves the needle far more than any other individual country does.oftenreading said:
Time and passed time to dial back on the “leader of the free world” rhetoric, because the US is far from that these days, if it ever really was.mrussel1 said:
Not meaningless, but likely less meaningful. No offense to a school levy, but leader of the free world has further reaching consequences.dankind said:
And by tired tropes that likely just showed up in the finger waggers' Facebook/Twitter feeds at that.pjl44 said:If there's an enthusiasm problem, it's probably because enough voters haven't been properly scolded
I guess the hope is to keep repeating them until someone else who lacks critical thinking skills accepts them as facts.
Wonder who else I've seen do that...?
Oh, and I guess the 20 or so other votes I cast on election day -- all pro-fascist, of course -- are meaningless. But the one vote I might leave blank is the only one that matters.
It's also a saying. So while you may disagree, I don't see any huge threads dedicated to Trudeau, Merkel, Xi, etc.
Size of military? I think you know where that stands.If I was going to make a list of countries showing true leadership, I would be looking at metrics such as leading an effective pandemic response, leading in climate change action, leading in social justice and equity, leading in life expectancy and measures of public health, and leading in quality of life, to name a few.
And if you don't think economic power isn't the single most important influence in the world, then you're being delusional.0
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