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  • Indifference71
    Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,910
    bbiggs said:
    mfc2006 said:
    Well, it looks like I may be going back to the office on Monday. I have a call with my boss later today. I personally think this is way too early and will let them know that I can easily do my job from home and that I've been far more productive without having to sit through way too many meetings.

    I may offer a hybrid approach with me coming in 2 days/week and working home the rest of the week. We'll see how this goes. Ugh.
    Good luck, man.  This is going to start happening quite a bit I suspect.  The whole thing is a mess with very few good answers at this point.  So many people I know are chomping at the bit to get everything opened back up.  I understand the need to slowly open up certain parts of life in phases, but I know a lot of people that think a full on re-opening needs to take place.  We cannot just turn the light switch from off to on without repercussions.

    Agreed that just opening up everything right away would be reckless but this 5 phase plan that our billionaire governor released yesterday is just overkill at this point.  There won't be many businesses left with this plan once they are allowed to re-open.  And meanwhile his wife just went to their Florida mansion while he gets up there everyday telling all of us to stay home and not take part in any unnecessary travel.  Just because he doesn't like Trump doesn't mean he isn't the typical scumbag politician.
  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    Indifference71 said:
    bbiggs said:
    mfc2006 said:
    Well, it looks like I may be going back to the office on Monday. I have a call with my boss later today. I personally think this is way too early and will let them know that I can easily do my job from home and that I've been far more productive without having to sit through way too many meetings.

    I may offer a hybrid approach with me coming in 2 days/week and working home the rest of the week. We'll see how this goes. Ugh.
    Good luck, man.  This is going to start happening quite a bit I suspect.  The whole thing is a mess with very few good answers at this point.  So many people I know are chomping at the bit to get everything opened back up.  I understand the need to slowly open up certain parts of life in phases, but I know a lot of people that think a full on re-opening needs to take place.  We cannot just turn the light switch from off to on without repercussions.

    Agreed that just opening up everything right away would be reckless but this 5 phase plan that our billionaire governor released yesterday is just overkill at this point.  There won't be many businesses left with this plan once they are allowed to re-open.  And meanwhile his wife just went to their Florida mansion while he gets up there everyday telling all of us to stay home and not take part in any unnecessary travel.  Just because he doesn't like Trump doesn't mean he isn't the typical scumbag politician.
    Agreed. Coming into this I didn’t like one thing Pritzker had done in this state; however, I felt he handled things well initially in regards to Covid by making swift decisions.  After revealing his 5 phase plan yesterday, I’m back where I started with him.  I’m strongly against turning on the light switch all at once, but like you said, his 5 phase plan is overkill and will decimate a state that’s already beyond broke, despite being one of the highest taxed states, and leads the country in resident outflow.  He is definitely your typical hypocrite politician.  “Do as I say, not as I do.”   
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    bbiggs said:
    Indifference71 said:
    bbiggs said:
    mfc2006 said:
    Well, it looks like I may be going back to the office on Monday. I have a call with my boss later today. I personally think this is way too early and will let them know that I can easily do my job from home and that I've been far more productive without having to sit through way too many meetings.

    I may offer a hybrid approach with me coming in 2 days/week and working home the rest of the week. We'll see how this goes. Ugh.
    Good luck, man.  This is going to start happening quite a bit I suspect.  The whole thing is a mess with very few good answers at this point.  So many people I know are chomping at the bit to get everything opened back up.  I understand the need to slowly open up certain parts of life in phases, but I know a lot of people that think a full on re-opening needs to take place.  We cannot just turn the light switch from off to on without repercussions.

    Agreed that just opening up everything right away would be reckless but this 5 phase plan that our billionaire governor released yesterday is just overkill at this point.  There won't be many businesses left with this plan once they are allowed to re-open.  And meanwhile his wife just went to their Florida mansion while he gets up there everyday telling all of us to stay home and not take part in any unnecessary travel.  Just because he doesn't like Trump doesn't mean he isn't the typical scumbag politician.
    Agreed. Coming into this I didn’t like one thing Pritzker had done in this state; however, I felt he handled things well initially in regards to Covid by making swift decisions.  After revealing his 5 phase plan yesterday, I’m back where I started with him.  I’m strongly against turning on the light switch all at once, but like you said, his 5 phase plan is overkill and will decimate a state that’s already beyond broke, despite being one of the highest taxed states, and leads the country in resident outflow.  He is definitely your typical hypocrite politician.  “Do as I say, not as I do.”   
    Admittedly, I was not familiar with the five-phase plan...in a quick google, it looks like there's no timelime attached to it.  The destruction it could cause is probably difficult to determine for that reason.
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  • stuckinline
    stuckinline Posts: 3,406
    https://www.10tv.com/article/ohio-house-passes-amendment-limit-dr-amy-actons-power-2020-may
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,297
    What if there is never a vaccine?  Seems like everyone just assumes it will be on the shelves in the fall.
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,410
    Today I had to go to a local E.R. for work reasons.
    Only needed to go as far as the waiting area which was eerily empty and quiet. The nurses and support staff looked exhausted. The one senior staff member I talked to told me they foresee no dip in numbers for at least another 3 weeks.
    I made sure to thank them for their work.
  • Mike D88
    Mike D88 Tampa Posts: 767
    stuckinline said:
    https://www.10tv.com/article/ohio-house-passes-amendment-limit-dr-amy-actons-power-2020-may
    Republican-led state legislatures tend to be absolute loony bins.
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  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,491
    Yup....back in the office on Monday. It looks like there will be ample distance between all employees, but it still makes me a tad nervous. Ugh.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Jason P said:
    What if there is never a vaccine?  Seems like everyone just assumes it will be on the shelves in the fall.
    Might never be, in which case we likely get waves of this repeatedly until the population builds some level of natural immunity, assuming that happens. 

    If we get neither a vaccine nor natural immunity from prior exposure then we’re stuck with this until the science advances, kind of like how the world was before we had vaccines for most of the common infectious diseases. 
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,588
    mfc2006 said:
    Well, it looks like I may be going back to the office on Monday. I have a call with my boss later today. I personally think this is way too early and will let them know that I can easily do my job from home and that I've been far more productive without having to sit through way too many meetings.

    I may offer a hybrid approach with me coming in 2 days/week and working home the rest of the week. We'll see how this goes. Ugh.
    That sounds like a solid approach I hope it works out! 
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,834
    mfc2006 said:
    Yup....back in the office on Monday. It looks like there will be ample distance between all employees, but it still makes me a tad nervous. Ugh.
    it can be done safely in many environments. Takes some planning and effort and of course compliance from employees (which is generally the hardest part).  
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mfc2006 said:
    Yup....back in the office on Monday. It looks like there will be ample distance between all employees, but it still makes me a tad nervous. Ugh.
    Good luck. I hope your employer takes this seriously. 

    I have been at work in my office, so to speak, through all of this so I’m used to it. We’re still doing our best to keep social distance and washing our hands and surfaces like mad. It’s darkly amusing at times to be in a meeting with seven or eight people in a very large meeting room and we’re all spread around the perimeter of the room, more than fifteen feet apart. We’re just kind of shouting at each other. 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    Jason P said:
    What if there is never a vaccine?  Seems like everyone just assumes it will be on the shelves in the fall.

    Johan Giesecke also says it is not certain that a vaccine will be particularly effective.

    - Right now we do not know if you become immune after this disease, or if the immunity is sufficient and how long it lasts. But in all diseases it is better to have had the disease than the vaccine. The infection gives a more complete immunity than the vaccine.

    - If now the natural immunity is semi-poor, you should not expect that the vaccine will be much better.
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  • Spunkie
    Spunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 7,095
    edited May 2020
    BC's 'restart plan' will not allow concerts, conventions, live audience professional sports, and international tourism until there is at least 1 of:
    • wide distribution of a vaccine 
    • “community” immunity
    •  broad successful treatments

    https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/safety/emergency-preparedness-response-recovery/covid-19-provincial-support/bc-restart-plan?bcgovtm=20200506_GCPE_AM_COVID_9_NOTIFICATION_BCGOV_BCGOV_EN_BC__NOTIFICATION

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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    tish said:
    BC's 'restart plan' "will not allow concerts, conventions and other large gatherings until there is wide distribution of a vaccine."

    https://globalnews.ca/news/6911210/coronavirus-premier-plan-reopen/
    If we never get a vaccine, as mentioned above, I wonder what the timeline would be to rethink this. 
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,297
    Sorry, not trying to start a bummer thought with the potential of no vaccine ... I'm optimistic that the tens of thousands of very smart people throughout the planet working around the clock probably have several promising solutions cooking as we speak.


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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Jason P said:
    What if there is never a vaccine?  Seems like everyone just assumes it will be on the shelves in the fall.

     But in all diseases it is better to have had the disease than the vaccine. The infection gives a more complete immunity than the vaccine.


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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Jason P said:
    Sorry, not trying to start a bummer thought with the potential of no vaccine ... I'm optimistic that the tens of thousands of very smart people throughout the planet working around the clock probably have several promising solutions cooking as we speak.


    No need to apologize, it's a very real possibility. Better to be clear eyed about all this.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    dignin said:
    Jason P said:
    Sorry, not trying to start a bummer thought with the potential of no vaccine ... I'm optimistic that the tens of thousands of very smart people throughout the planet working around the clock probably have several promising solutions cooking as we speak.


    No need to apologize, it's a very real possibility. Better to be clear eyed about all this.
    Yes, I agree. Early on in this thread there was some objection to posting about projected numbers of cases, fatalities, etc. because it was viewed as unnecessarily pessimistic. We’re hip-deep in reality right now and we might as well be able to talk about it. 
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  • Spunkie
    Spunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 7,095
    ^ I found government data and edited my post to reflect your vaccine/timeline inquiry.
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