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BidenJW269453 said:
There were 3 choices and I fell into the sitting this one out category. I figured that gave me the option to participate, but I am becoming more aware of the liberties I have lost being a non voter. I thought I was bummed when I didn’t get an I voted sticker, but this is devastating.mickeyrat said:
having stated you dont participate, at least nationally, I find it curious you post in election related threads at all? what is the point of that?JW269453 said:
Not upset, I do not need the acceptance of others to validate why I feel the way I do. What I don't understand is the holier than thou attitude that comes from some of the members on this forum by simply submitting a single vote. Since there hasn't been a trump supporter the next best thing to attack is someone who doesn't participate in the sacred process. I hope this helped clear up the confusion I have caused you. Be well, we are all in this together.The Juggler said:
I understand you are upset but I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm really sorry.JW269453 said:
nicknyr15 this is a perfect example as to why this poll was created.The Juggler said:
Except you. Those folks are not able to vote yet. They can't help it. You can.JW269453 said:
Everyone is entitled to have an opinion. Are you saying anyone under the age of 18 holds no value to our society?The Juggler said:
That's not how any of this works.CM189191 said:
'All I can do is offer my opinion....by not voting'JW269453 said:
I see it as I am not supporting either, much different. One thing I see getting tossed around is that anyone who voted for trump is every bit as liable for the deaths caused by CoVid-19 as him. I simply think this is a bad look for Democrats to spread right now, and just like Republicans these tactics are used way too often. I can't imagine blaming people for what they truly believe in, we are all way too different for that type of thinking. All of this is a big reason why I don't get caught up in the back and forth of supporting a party, it tends to divide us more than I am comfortable with. I am much more comfortable instilling my own values and compassion for humanity in a way that does not practice such negativity, am I right for doing this? Who knows. I don't have to be right about everything though and I feel I contribute better to society as a whole by not telling others how they should think. All I can do is offer my opinion, how it is received is out of my control.gimmesometruth27 said:the flaw i see is "sitting this one out" is actually a vote for trump. if you do not vote against trump, and you are not working to defeat him, then you are supporting him.
trump supporters are adults. they can take criticism and they can defend their positions. for the most part anyway. i know a few that are super intelligent people and they are voting based on what their retirement is doing. i can't fault them for that.
that's not really how this works
If you don't vote, your opinion is moo.
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Moo. It's like a cow's opinion. It just doesn't matter. It's moo.mrussel1 said:
moat?The Juggler said:
It's okay to be scared. This is a crazy mixed up world. You are among friends here. We all love you.JW269453 said:
Not upset, I do not need the acceptance of others to validate why I feel the way I do. What I don't understand is the holier than thou attitude that comes from some of the members on this forum by simply submitting a single vote. Since there hasn't been a trump supporter the next best thing to attack is someone who doesn't participate in the sacred process. I hope this helped clear up the confusion I have caused you. Be well, we are all in this together.The Juggler said:
I understand you are upset but I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm really sorry.JW269453 said:
nicknyr15 this is a perfect example as to why this poll was created.The Juggler said:
Except you. Those folks are not able to vote yet. They can't help it. You can.JW269453 said:
Everyone is entitled to have an opinion. Are you saying anyone under the age of 18 holds no value to our society?The Juggler said:
That's not how any of this works.CM189191 said:
'All I can do is offer my opinion....by not voting'JW269453 said:
I see it as I am not supporting either, much different. One thing I see getting tossed around is that anyone who voted for trump is every bit as liable for the deaths caused by CoVid-19 as him. I simply think this is a bad look for Democrats to spread right now, and just like Republicans these tactics are used way too often. I can't imagine blaming people for what they truly believe in, we are all way too different for that type of thinking. All of this is a big reason why I don't get caught up in the back and forth of supporting a party, it tends to divide us more than I am comfortable with. I am much more comfortable instilling my own values and compassion for humanity in a way that does not practice such negativity, am I right for doing this? Who knows. I don't have to be right about everything though and I feel I contribute better to society as a whole by not telling others how they should think. All I can do is offer my opinion, how it is received is out of my control.gimmesometruth27 said:the flaw i see is "sitting this one out" is actually a vote for trump. if you do not vote against trump, and you are not working to defeat him, then you are supporting him.
trump supporters are adults. they can take criticism and they can defend their positions. for the most part anyway. i know a few that are super intelligent people and they are voting based on what their retirement is doing. i can't fault them for that.
that's not really how this works
If you don't vote, your opinion is moo.
Moo.
Also, Trump or no Trump--it makes no difference. Not voting = losing your voice, and thus rendering your opinion moo.
MOO.
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I'm sitting this one out
The Juggler said:
Moo. It's like a cow's opinion. It just doesn't matter. It's moo.mrussel1 said:
moat?The Juggler said:
It's okay to be scared. This is a crazy mixed up world. You are among friends here. We all love you.JW269453 said:
Not upset, I do not need the acceptance of others to validate why I feel the way I do. What I don't understand is the holier than thou attitude that comes from some of the members on this forum by simply submitting a single vote. Since there hasn't been a trump supporter the next best thing to attack is someone who doesn't participate in the sacred process. I hope this helped clear up the confusion I have caused you. Be well, we are all in this together.The Juggler said:
I understand you are upset but I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm really sorry.JW269453 said:
nicknyr15 this is a perfect example as to why this poll was created.The Juggler said:
Except you. Those folks are not able to vote yet. They can't help it. You can.JW269453 said:
Everyone is entitled to have an opinion. Are you saying anyone under the age of 18 holds no value to our society?The Juggler said:
That's not how any of this works.CM189191 said:
'All I can do is offer my opinion....by not voting'JW269453 said:
I see it as I am not supporting either, much different. One thing I see getting tossed around is that anyone who voted for trump is every bit as liable for the deaths caused by CoVid-19 as him. I simply think this is a bad look for Democrats to spread right now, and just like Republicans these tactics are used way too often. I can't imagine blaming people for what they truly believe in, we are all way too different for that type of thinking. All of this is a big reason why I don't get caught up in the back and forth of supporting a party, it tends to divide us more than I am comfortable with. I am much more comfortable instilling my own values and compassion for humanity in a way that does not practice such negativity, am I right for doing this? Who knows. I don't have to be right about everything though and I feel I contribute better to society as a whole by not telling others how they should think. All I can do is offer my opinion, how it is received is out of my control.gimmesometruth27 said:the flaw i see is "sitting this one out" is actually a vote for trump. if you do not vote against trump, and you are not working to defeat him, then you are supporting him.
trump supporters are adults. they can take criticism and they can defend their positions. for the most part anyway. i know a few that are super intelligent people and they are voting based on what their retirement is doing. i can't fault them for that.
that's not really how this works
If you don't vote, your opinion is moo.
Moo.
Also, Trump or no Trump--it makes no difference. Not voting = losing your voice, and thus rendering your opinion moo.
MOO.
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I'm sitting this one outCanadian. Have no vote. From afar neither are inspiring but Trump is an asshole. Biden is probably less an asshole, outwardly anyways.
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I'm sitting this one outMaybe people should look into and address the reasons why there is such low voter turnout in the US.
Instead of trying to bully people into voting with the "a non vote is a vote for Trump" shtick. Everyone owns their own vote and and the responsibility of it.
Shouldn't people vote out of inspiration, and not rock-band-message-board pushed desperation?
(vote Biden. And do vote. And get your friends and family to vote. But the "vote this or whatever you do is a vote for the other" blaming comes off as something not belonging in a... eh.. respectful democracy)Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
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Moop?The Juggler said:
Moo. It's like a cow's opinion. It just doesn't matter. It's moo.mrussel1 said:
moat?The Juggler said:
It's okay to be scared. This is a crazy mixed up world. You are among friends here. We all love you.JW269453 said:
Not upset, I do not need the acceptance of others to validate why I feel the way I do. What I don't understand is the holier than thou attitude that comes from some of the members on this forum by simply submitting a single vote. Since there hasn't been a trump supporter the next best thing to attack is someone who doesn't participate in the sacred process. I hope this helped clear up the confusion I have caused you. Be well, we are all in this together.The Juggler said:
I understand you are upset but I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm really sorry.JW269453 said:
nicknyr15 this is a perfect example as to why this poll was created.The Juggler said:
Except you. Those folks are not able to vote yet. They can't help it. You can.JW269453 said:
Everyone is entitled to have an opinion. Are you saying anyone under the age of 18 holds no value to our society?The Juggler said:
That's not how any of this works.CM189191 said:
'All I can do is offer my opinion....by not voting'JW269453 said:
I see it as I am not supporting either, much different. One thing I see getting tossed around is that anyone who voted for trump is every bit as liable for the deaths caused by CoVid-19 as him. I simply think this is a bad look for Democrats to spread right now, and just like Republicans these tactics are used way too often. I can't imagine blaming people for what they truly believe in, we are all way too different for that type of thinking. All of this is a big reason why I don't get caught up in the back and forth of supporting a party, it tends to divide us more than I am comfortable with. I am much more comfortable instilling my own values and compassion for humanity in a way that does not practice such negativity, am I right for doing this? Who knows. I don't have to be right about everything though and I feel I contribute better to society as a whole by not telling others how they should think. All I can do is offer my opinion, how it is received is out of my control.gimmesometruth27 said:the flaw i see is "sitting this one out" is actually a vote for trump. if you do not vote against trump, and you are not working to defeat him, then you are supporting him.
trump supporters are adults. they can take criticism and they can defend their positions. for the most part anyway. i know a few that are super intelligent people and they are voting based on what their retirement is doing. i can't fault them for that.
that's not really how this works
If you don't vote, your opinion is moo.
Moo.
Also, Trump or no Trump--it makes no difference. Not voting = losing your voice, and thus rendering your opinion moo.
MOO.
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Bidenmrussel1 said:
Moop?The Juggler said:
Moo. It's like a cow's opinion. It just doesn't matter. It's moo.mrussel1 said:
moat?The Juggler said:
It's okay to be scared. This is a crazy mixed up world. You are among friends here. We all love you.JW269453 said:
Not upset, I do not need the acceptance of others to validate why I feel the way I do. What I don't understand is the holier than thou attitude that comes from some of the members on this forum by simply submitting a single vote. Since there hasn't been a trump supporter the next best thing to attack is someone who doesn't participate in the sacred process. I hope this helped clear up the confusion I have caused you. Be well, we are all in this together.The Juggler said:
I understand you are upset but I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm really sorry.JW269453 said:
nicknyr15 this is a perfect example as to why this poll was created.The Juggler said:
Except you. Those folks are not able to vote yet. They can't help it. You can.JW269453 said:
Everyone is entitled to have an opinion. Are you saying anyone under the age of 18 holds no value to our society?The Juggler said:
That's not how any of this works.CM189191 said:
'All I can do is offer my opinion....by not voting'JW269453 said:
I see it as I am not supporting either, much different. One thing I see getting tossed around is that anyone who voted for trump is every bit as liable for the deaths caused by CoVid-19 as him. I simply think this is a bad look for Democrats to spread right now, and just like Republicans these tactics are used way too often. I can't imagine blaming people for what they truly believe in, we are all way too different for that type of thinking. All of this is a big reason why I don't get caught up in the back and forth of supporting a party, it tends to divide us more than I am comfortable with. I am much more comfortable instilling my own values and compassion for humanity in a way that does not practice such negativity, am I right for doing this? Who knows. I don't have to be right about everything though and I feel I contribute better to society as a whole by not telling others how they should think. All I can do is offer my opinion, how it is received is out of my control.gimmesometruth27 said:the flaw i see is "sitting this one out" is actually a vote for trump. if you do not vote against trump, and you are not working to defeat him, then you are supporting him.
trump supporters are adults. they can take criticism and they can defend their positions. for the most part anyway. i know a few that are super intelligent people and they are voting based on what their retirement is doing. i can't fault them for that.
that's not really how this works
If you don't vote, your opinion is moo.
Moo.
Also, Trump or no Trump--it makes no difference. Not voting = losing your voice, and thus rendering your opinion moo.
MOO.
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Moops rule! Although I was into them way in the beginning when they were called Fingerbang. Moop got a little mainstream.Ledbetterman10 said:mrussel1 said:
Moop?The Juggler said:
Moo. It's like a cow's opinion. It just doesn't matter. It's moo.mrussel1 said:
moat?The Juggler said:
It's okay to be scared. This is a crazy mixed up world. You are among friends here. We all love you.JW269453 said:
Not upset, I do not need the acceptance of others to validate why I feel the way I do. What I don't understand is the holier than thou attitude that comes from some of the members on this forum by simply submitting a single vote. Since there hasn't been a trump supporter the next best thing to attack is someone who doesn't participate in the sacred process. I hope this helped clear up the confusion I have caused you. Be well, we are all in this together.The Juggler said:
I understand you are upset but I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm really sorry.JW269453 said:
nicknyr15 this is a perfect example as to why this poll was created.The Juggler said:
Except you. Those folks are not able to vote yet. They can't help it. You can.JW269453 said:
Everyone is entitled to have an opinion. Are you saying anyone under the age of 18 holds no value to our society?The Juggler said:
That's not how any of this works.CM189191 said:
'All I can do is offer my opinion....by not voting'JW269453 said:
I see it as I am not supporting either, much different. One thing I see getting tossed around is that anyone who voted for trump is every bit as liable for the deaths caused by CoVid-19 as him. I simply think this is a bad look for Democrats to spread right now, and just like Republicans these tactics are used way too often. I can't imagine blaming people for what they truly believe in, we are all way too different for that type of thinking. All of this is a big reason why I don't get caught up in the back and forth of supporting a party, it tends to divide us more than I am comfortable with. I am much more comfortable instilling my own values and compassion for humanity in a way that does not practice such negativity, am I right for doing this? Who knows. I don't have to be right about everything though and I feel I contribute better to society as a whole by not telling others how they should think. All I can do is offer my opinion, how it is received is out of my control.gimmesometruth27 said:the flaw i see is "sitting this one out" is actually a vote for trump. if you do not vote against trump, and you are not working to defeat him, then you are supporting him.
trump supporters are adults. they can take criticism and they can defend their positions. for the most part anyway. i know a few that are super intelligent people and they are voting based on what their retirement is doing. i can't fault them for that.
that's not really how this works
If you don't vote, your opinion is moo.
Moo.
Also, Trump or no Trump--it makes no difference. Not voting = losing your voice, and thus rendering your opinion moo.
MOO.
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Both of those (Fingerbang and Christian Hard Rock) are among my favorite episodes. I especially like the mall manager in Fingerbang.mrussel1 said:
Moops rule! Although I was into them way in the beginning when they were called Fingerbang. Moop got a little mainstream.Ledbetterman10 said:mrussel1 said:
Moop?The Juggler said:
Moo. It's like a cow's opinion. It just doesn't matter. It's moo.mrussel1 said:
moat?The Juggler said:
It's okay to be scared. This is a crazy mixed up world. You are among friends here. We all love you.JW269453 said:
Not upset, I do not need the acceptance of others to validate why I feel the way I do. What I don't understand is the holier than thou attitude that comes from some of the members on this forum by simply submitting a single vote. Since there hasn't been a trump supporter the next best thing to attack is someone who doesn't participate in the sacred process. I hope this helped clear up the confusion I have caused you. Be well, we are all in this together.The Juggler said:
I understand you are upset but I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm really sorry.JW269453 said:
nicknyr15 this is a perfect example as to why this poll was created.The Juggler said:
Except you. Those folks are not able to vote yet. They can't help it. You can.JW269453 said:
Everyone is entitled to have an opinion. Are you saying anyone under the age of 18 holds no value to our society?The Juggler said:
That's not how any of this works.CM189191 said:
'All I can do is offer my opinion....by not voting'JW269453 said:
I see it as I am not supporting either, much different. One thing I see getting tossed around is that anyone who voted for trump is every bit as liable for the deaths caused by CoVid-19 as him. I simply think this is a bad look for Democrats to spread right now, and just like Republicans these tactics are used way too often. I can't imagine blaming people for what they truly believe in, we are all way too different for that type of thinking. All of this is a big reason why I don't get caught up in the back and forth of supporting a party, it tends to divide us more than I am comfortable with. I am much more comfortable instilling my own values and compassion for humanity in a way that does not practice such negativity, am I right for doing this? Who knows. I don't have to be right about everything though and I feel I contribute better to society as a whole by not telling others how they should think. All I can do is offer my opinion, how it is received is out of my control.gimmesometruth27 said:the flaw i see is "sitting this one out" is actually a vote for trump. if you do not vote against trump, and you are not working to defeat him, then you are supporting him.
trump supporters are adults. they can take criticism and they can defend their positions. for the most part anyway. i know a few that are super intelligent people and they are voting based on what their retirement is doing. i can't fault them for that.
that's not really how this works
If you don't vote, your opinion is moo.
Moo.
Also, Trump or no Trump--it makes no difference. Not voting = losing your voice, and thus rendering your opinion moo.
MOO.2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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I'm sitting this one outCan't atleast on of you sympathy-vote for Trump?
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I miss those Before Tegridy days...*heavy sigh*Ledbetterman10 said:
Both of those (Fingerbang and Christian Hard Rock) are among my favorite episodes. I especially like the mall manager in Fingerbang.mrussel1 said:
Moops rule! Although I was into them way in the beginning when they were called Fingerbang. Moop got a little mainstream.Ledbetterman10 said:mrussel1 said:
Moop?The Juggler said:
Moo. It's like a cow's opinion. It just doesn't matter. It's moo.mrussel1 said:
moat?The Juggler said:
It's okay to be scared. This is a crazy mixed up world. You are among friends here. We all love you.JW269453 said:
Not upset, I do not need the acceptance of others to validate why I feel the way I do. What I don't understand is the holier than thou attitude that comes from some of the members on this forum by simply submitting a single vote. Since there hasn't been a trump supporter the next best thing to attack is someone who doesn't participate in the sacred process. I hope this helped clear up the confusion I have caused you. Be well, we are all in this together.The Juggler said:
I understand you are upset but I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm really sorry.JW269453 said:
nicknyr15 this is a perfect example as to why this poll was created.The Juggler said:
Except you. Those folks are not able to vote yet. They can't help it. You can.JW269453 said:
Everyone is entitled to have an opinion. Are you saying anyone under the age of 18 holds no value to our society?The Juggler said:
That's not how any of this works.CM189191 said:
'All I can do is offer my opinion....by not voting'JW269453 said:
I see it as I am not supporting either, much different. One thing I see getting tossed around is that anyone who voted for trump is every bit as liable for the deaths caused by CoVid-19 as him. I simply think this is a bad look for Democrats to spread right now, and just like Republicans these tactics are used way too often. I can't imagine blaming people for what they truly believe in, we are all way too different for that type of thinking. All of this is a big reason why I don't get caught up in the back and forth of supporting a party, it tends to divide us more than I am comfortable with. I am much more comfortable instilling my own values and compassion for humanity in a way that does not practice such negativity, am I right for doing this? Who knows. I don't have to be right about everything though and I feel I contribute better to society as a whole by not telling others how they should think. All I can do is offer my opinion, how it is received is out of my control.gimmesometruth27 said:the flaw i see is "sitting this one out" is actually a vote for trump. if you do not vote against trump, and you are not working to defeat him, then you are supporting him.
trump supporters are adults. they can take criticism and they can defend their positions. for the most part anyway. i know a few that are super intelligent people and they are voting based on what their retirement is doing. i can't fault them for that.
that's not really how this works
If you don't vote, your opinion is moo.
Moo.
Also, Trump or no Trump--it makes no difference. Not voting = losing your voice, and thus rendering your opinion moo.
MOO.0 -
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They are so friggin clever and biting.Ledbetterman10 said:
Both of those (Fingerbang and Christian Hard Rock) are among my favorite episodes. I especially like the mall manager in Fingerbang.mrussel1 said:
Moops rule! Although I was into them way in the beginning when they were called Fingerbang. Moop got a little mainstream.Ledbetterman10 said:mrussel1 said:
Moop?The Juggler said:
Moo. It's like a cow's opinion. It just doesn't matter. It's moo.mrussel1 said:
moat?The Juggler said:
It's okay to be scared. This is a crazy mixed up world. You are among friends here. We all love you.JW269453 said:
Not upset, I do not need the acceptance of others to validate why I feel the way I do. What I don't understand is the holier than thou attitude that comes from some of the members on this forum by simply submitting a single vote. Since there hasn't been a trump supporter the next best thing to attack is someone who doesn't participate in the sacred process. I hope this helped clear up the confusion I have caused you. Be well, we are all in this together.The Juggler said:
I understand you are upset but I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm really sorry.JW269453 said:
nicknyr15 this is a perfect example as to why this poll was created.The Juggler said:
Except you. Those folks are not able to vote yet. They can't help it. You can.JW269453 said:
Everyone is entitled to have an opinion. Are you saying anyone under the age of 18 holds no value to our society?The Juggler said:
That's not how any of this works.CM189191 said:
'All I can do is offer my opinion....by not voting'JW269453 said:
I see it as I am not supporting either, much different. One thing I see getting tossed around is that anyone who voted for trump is every bit as liable for the deaths caused by CoVid-19 as him. I simply think this is a bad look for Democrats to spread right now, and just like Republicans these tactics are used way too often. I can't imagine blaming people for what they truly believe in, we are all way too different for that type of thinking. All of this is a big reason why I don't get caught up in the back and forth of supporting a party, it tends to divide us more than I am comfortable with. I am much more comfortable instilling my own values and compassion for humanity in a way that does not practice such negativity, am I right for doing this? Who knows. I don't have to be right about everything though and I feel I contribute better to society as a whole by not telling others how they should think. All I can do is offer my opinion, how it is received is out of my control.gimmesometruth27 said:the flaw i see is "sitting this one out" is actually a vote for trump. if you do not vote against trump, and you are not working to defeat him, then you are supporting him.
trump supporters are adults. they can take criticism and they can defend their positions. for the most part anyway. i know a few that are super intelligent people and they are voting based on what their retirement is doing. i can't fault them for that.
that's not really how this works
If you don't vote, your opinion is moo.
Moo.
Also, Trump or no Trump--it makes no difference. Not voting = losing your voice, and thus rendering your opinion moo.
MOO.
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LOLLedbetterman10 said:mrussel1 said:
Moop?The Juggler said:
Moo. It's like a cow's opinion. It just doesn't matter. It's moo.mrussel1 said:
moat?The Juggler said:
It's okay to be scared. This is a crazy mixed up world. You are among friends here. We all love you.JW269453 said:
Not upset, I do not need the acceptance of others to validate why I feel the way I do. What I don't understand is the holier than thou attitude that comes from some of the members on this forum by simply submitting a single vote. Since there hasn't been a trump supporter the next best thing to attack is someone who doesn't participate in the sacred process. I hope this helped clear up the confusion I have caused you. Be well, we are all in this together.The Juggler said:
I understand you are upset but I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm really sorry.JW269453 said:
nicknyr15 this is a perfect example as to why this poll was created.The Juggler said:
Except you. Those folks are not able to vote yet. They can't help it. You can.JW269453 said:
Everyone is entitled to have an opinion. Are you saying anyone under the age of 18 holds no value to our society?The Juggler said:
That's not how any of this works.CM189191 said:
'All I can do is offer my opinion....by not voting'JW269453 said:
I see it as I am not supporting either, much different. One thing I see getting tossed around is that anyone who voted for trump is every bit as liable for the deaths caused by CoVid-19 as him. I simply think this is a bad look for Democrats to spread right now, and just like Republicans these tactics are used way too often. I can't imagine blaming people for what they truly believe in, we are all way too different for that type of thinking. All of this is a big reason why I don't get caught up in the back and forth of supporting a party, it tends to divide us more than I am comfortable with. I am much more comfortable instilling my own values and compassion for humanity in a way that does not practice such negativity, am I right for doing this? Who knows. I don't have to be right about everything though and I feel I contribute better to society as a whole by not telling others how they should think. All I can do is offer my opinion, how it is received is out of my control.gimmesometruth27 said:the flaw i see is "sitting this one out" is actually a vote for trump. if you do not vote against trump, and you are not working to defeat him, then you are supporting him.
trump supporters are adults. they can take criticism and they can defend their positions. for the most part anyway. i know a few that are super intelligent people and they are voting based on what their retirement is doing. i can't fault them for that.
that's not really how this works
If you don't vote, your opinion is moo.
Moo.
Also, Trump or no Trump--it makes no difference. Not voting = losing your voice, and thus rendering your opinion moo.
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I'm sitting this one outI'm hoping the Libertarians nominate someone I can get behind, but it's looking bleak. For a while I was convinced Justin Amash would throw his hat in the ring, which would be awesome. With the current state of the world I'm not sure if that makes it more or less likely.0
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Every debate should be moderated by Jake Tapper and/or Chris Wallacemrussel1 said:
Yes, how about we get a Tim Russert again who sits down with each candidate and really presses a challenging case.CM189191 said:
The debate with no audience was amazing to watch. Had too many candidates tho.mrussel1 said:
My big criticisms of the debates is that they reward 'zingers'. And that's all she was trying to do is lay a haymaker to get into the race. Debates reward the wrong behaviors, but fortunately evidence continues to pile up that they don't matter. Ask the 'winner' of every debate, Liz Warren about that.Lerxst1992 said:mrussel1 said:
Im with you 100% here. I got into several arguments about the merits of bussing in the 60s, white flight, etc after that comment, around here. I thought it was a cheap shot. I liked her before that. I'm saying I would not rule out that Biden will pick her, whereas I think the Senate seat precludes him from picking WarrenLedbetterman10 said:
I'm not ruling her out completely, but I don't think she'd be a good pick. She was up there in that debate suggesting Biden is racist because of that stupid busing crap, despite him fighting for civil rights his whole career. I thought that was pathetic. To choose her would make it look like none of that matters. "Sure she called me a racist and shit on all the hard work I've done over the years, but I need a strong woman of color as my running-mate!" Hopefully Joe (or whoever advises him in making these sort of decisions) isn't thinking like that.mrussel1 said:
I don't see Warren because the Dems would lose the seat until another election. I wouldn't rule out Harris.Ledbetterman10 said:
I'd be fine with her. I know he said it'll be a woman, so that eliminates some of the men I don't care for (Beto, for example). But I just can't stand Warren and Harris so I hope it's neither of them (I think both are unlikely anyway). But yeah, I'd be all for Whitmer.mrussel1 said:
Momentum seems to be with the governor from Michigan.Ledbetterman10 said:
Yeah if I was in one of those states where your voted doesn't matter, I probably wouldn't even bother voting for the president. But I'm in Pennsylvania so I have to vote for Biden just to have clear conscience. Same with 2016. I didn't really want to vote for Hillary. But I thought to myself " If Donald Fucking Trump wins Pennsylvania by ONE vote and that swings the election, I won't be able to live with myself." So I voted Hillary for president, as I will Biden. Though there is a possibility that I'll hate Biden's VP pick so much that it'll be even more annoying to have to vote for him than it was for Hillary. In fact, if he picks one of the possible running-mates that I don't like, maybe I'll just write-in Hillary for VP.SVRDhand13 said:I'm in NY which will easily go Biden. I refuse to put my name behind him and the current state of Democrats. So I'm going third party or write in. If I was in a swing state I'd give my vote to Biden only as a no vote to Trump and the Republicans.It’s stunning someone with the success of Harris would make such a dumb move. It’s not easy becoming the DA or a senator, yet she thought calling Biden a racist was smart. The world was different 40 years ago. Actually, it was different one month ago.0 -
I'm sitting this one out
In response to Mickeyrat’s post as well as yours, I feel that it is good to question my beliefs so that I can confirm them. I come in here to get the pulse on how one of the sides views things because It gives me perspective, and yes from time to time I will comment but I don’t think that is out of line. I also keep up with how the other side is viewing things to maintain balance. I have always felt it’s best to keep an open mind and try not to tip the scales too far in one direction, but I don’t see a whole lot of that going on when it comes to politics and that only strengthens my decision. Regardless of party I see a lot of supporters who are fixated on infighting, confirmation bias, and a clear desire to demean the other side. Can you really blame someone for wanting no part of getting caught up in that? Take all of that out and you are left with politicians...no thanks. Just look at the 2 options and tell me our system isn’t seriously challenged.mrussel1 said:
I think you're missing the question. It's odd that you abstain from participating in the political process, but post regularly on a board dedicated to it.JW269453 said:
There were 3 choices and I fell into the sitting this one out category. I figured that gave me the option to participate, but I am becoming more aware of the liberties I have lost being a non voter. I thought I was bummed when I didn’t get an I voted sticker, but this is devastating.mickeyrat said:
having stated you dont participate, at least nationally, I find it curious you post in election related threads at all? what is the point of that?JW269453 said:
Not upset, I do not need the acceptance of others to validate why I feel the way I do. What I don't understand is the holier than thou attitude that comes from some of the members on this forum by simply submitting a single vote. Since there hasn't been a trump supporter the next best thing to attack is someone who doesn't participate in the sacred process. I hope this helped clear up the confusion I have caused you. Be well, we are all in this together.The Juggler said:
I understand you are upset but I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm really sorry.JW269453 said:
nicknyr15 this is a perfect example as to why this poll was created.The Juggler said:
Except you. Those folks are not able to vote yet. They can't help it. You can.JW269453 said:
Everyone is entitled to have an opinion. Are you saying anyone under the age of 18 holds no value to our society?The Juggler said:
That's not how any of this works.CM189191 said:
'All I can do is offer my opinion....by not voting'JW269453 said:
I see it as I am not supporting either, much different. One thing I see getting tossed around is that anyone who voted for trump is every bit as liable for the deaths caused by CoVid-19 as him. I simply think this is a bad look for Democrats to spread right now, and just like Republicans these tactics are used way too often. I can't imagine blaming people for what they truly believe in, we are all way too different for that type of thinking. All of this is a big reason why I don't get caught up in the back and forth of supporting a party, it tends to divide us more than I am comfortable with. I am much more comfortable instilling my own values and compassion for humanity in a way that does not practice such negativity, am I right for doing this? Who knows. I don't have to be right about everything though and I feel I contribute better to society as a whole by not telling others how they should think. All I can do is offer my opinion, how it is received is out of my control.gimmesometruth27 said:the flaw i see is "sitting this one out" is actually a vote for trump. if you do not vote against trump, and you are not working to defeat him, then you are supporting him.
trump supporters are adults. they can take criticism and they can defend their positions. for the most part anyway. i know a few that are super intelligent people and they are voting based on what their retirement is doing. i can't fault them for that.
that's not really how this works
If you don't vote, your opinion is moo.
Moo.
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Bidenhas this statement been posted yet? cant recall seeing it here....Statement just issued by Joe Biden. Take a few minutes – it's a beautiful read:
Today, Senator Sanders announced he was suspending his campaign. Bernie has put his heart and soul into not only running for President, but for the causes and issues he has been dedicated to his whole life. So, I know how hard a decision this was for him to make — and how hard it is for the millions of his supporters — especially younger voters — who have been inspired and energized and brought into politics by the progressive agenda he has championed. Bernie has done something rare in politics. He hasn’t just run a political campaign; he’s created a movement. And make no mistake about it, I believe it’s a movement that is as powerful today as it was yesterday. That’s a good thing for our nation and our future.
Senator Sanders and his supporters have changed the dialogue in America. Issues which had been given little attention — or little hope of ever passing — are now at the center of the political debate. Income inequality, universal health care, climate change, free college, relieving students from the crushing debt of student loans. These are just a few of the issues Bernie and his supporters have given life to. And while Bernie and I may not agree on how we might get there, we agree on the ultimate goal for these issues and many more.
But more than any one issue or set of issues, I want to commend Bernie for being a powerful voice for a fairer and more just America. It’s voices like Bernie’s that refuse to allow us to just accept what is — that refuse to accept we can’t change what’s wrong in our nation — that refuse to accept the health and well-being of our fellow citizens and our planet isn’t our responsibility too. Bernie gets a lot of credit for his passionate advocacy for the issues he cares about. But he doesn’t get enough credit for being a voice that forces us all to take a hard look in the mirror and ask if we’ve done enough.
While the Sanders campaign has been suspended — its impact on this election and on elections to come is far from over. We will address the existential crisis of climate change. We will confront income inequality in our nation. We will make sure healthcare is affordable and accessible to every American. We will make education at our public colleges and universities free. We will ease the burden of student debt. And, most important of all, we will defeat Donald Trump.
At this moment, we are in the middle of an unprecedented crisis in American history. There is enormous fear and pain and loss being felt all across the country. There are also untold stories of heroism — of nurses and health care workers and doctors and first responders and grocery store workers and truck drivers and so many others on the front lines of this crisis. Putting their own lives in danger for the rest of us. If we didn’t know it before, we know it now: This is the backbone of our nation.
Our first job is to get through the immediate crisis threatening the public health and getting into the pockets of America’s workers. But we also need to take a hard look at what we need to fix and change in this country. Many of the biggest cracks in the social safety net have been laid bare — from health care to paid sick leave to a more extensive and comprehensive system of unemployment benefits. We will need to address these. Just as we need to address rebuilding our nation’s infrastructure. And we all know — the clock is ticking — we don’t have a moment to waste in combating the climate crisis.
As friends, Jill and I want to say to Bernie and Jane, we know how hard this is. You have put the interest of the nation — and the need to defeat Donald Trump — above all else. And for that Jill and I are grateful. But we also want you to know: I’ll be reaching out to you. You will be heard by me. As you say: Not me, Us.
And to your supporters I make the same commitment: I see you, I hear you, and I understand the urgency of what it is we have to get done in this country. I hope you will join us. You are more than welcome. You’re needed.
Together we will defeat Donald Trump. And when we do that, we’ll not only do the hard work of rebuilding this nation — we’ll transform it.
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