Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

mrussel1

Biden

gimmesometruth27 said:

i just realized that bernie backing out and letting biden have the nomination makes it official that obama can come off of the sidelines to campaign for joe. 

obama coming forward is going to be a huge boost for joe.

And Michelle too.  Huge boost.  

Ledbetterman10

Biden

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

I'm in NY which will easily go Biden.  I refuse to put my name behind him and the current state of Democrats.  So I'm going third party or write in.  If I was in a swing state I'd give my vote to Biden only as a no vote to Trump and the Republicans.  

Yeah if I was in one of those states where your voted doesn't matter, I probably wouldn't even bother voting for the president. But I'm in Pennsylvania so I have to vote for Biden just to have clear conscience. Same with 2016. I didn't really want to vote for Hillary. But I thought to myself " If Donald Fucking Trump wins Pennsylvania by ONE vote and that swings the election, I won't be able to live with myself." So I voted Hillary for president, as I will Biden. Though there is a possibility that I'll hate Biden's VP pick so much that it'll be even more annoying to have to vote for him than it was for Hillary. In fact, if he picks one of the possible running-mates that I don't like, maybe I'll just write-in Hillary for VP. 

Momentum seems to be with the governor from Michigan.  

I'd be fine with her. I know he said it'll be a woman, so that eliminates some of the men I don't care for (Beto, for example). But I just can't stand Warren and Harris so I hope it's neither of them (I think both are unlikely anyway). But yeah, I'd be all for Whitmer. 

FiveBelow

I'm sitting this one out

gimmesometruth27 said:

the flaw i see is "sitting this one out" is actually a vote for trump. if you do not vote against trump, and you are not working to defeat him, then you are supporting him.

trump supporters are adults. they can take criticism and they can defend their positions. for the most part anyway. i know a few that are super intelligent people and they are voting based on what their retirement is doing. i can't fault them for that. 

I see it as I am not supporting either, much different. One thing I see getting tossed around is that anyone who voted for trump is every bit as liable for the deaths caused by CoVid-19 as him. I simply think this is a bad look for Democrats to spread right now, and just like Republicans these tactics are used way too often. I can't imagine blaming people for what they truly believe in, we are all way too different for that type of thinking. All of this is a big reason why I don't get caught up in the back and forth of supporting a party, it tends to divide us more than I am comfortable with. I am much more comfortable instilling my own values and compassion for humanity in a way that does not practice such negativity, am I right for doing this? Who knows. I don't have to be right about everything though and I feel I contribute better to society as a whole by not telling others how they should think. All I can do is offer my opinion, how it is received is out of my control.

RunIntoTheRain

Biden

JW269453 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

the flaw i see is "sitting this one out" is actually a vote for trump. if you do not vote against trump, and you are not working to defeat him, then you are supporting him.

trump supporters are adults. they can take criticism and they can defend their positions. for the most part anyway. i know a few that are super intelligent people and they are voting based on what their retirement is doing. i can't fault them for that. 

I see it as I am not supporting either, much different. One thing I see getting tossed around is that anyone who voted for trump is every bit as liable for the deaths caused by CoVid-19 as him. I simply think this is a bad look for Democrats to spread right now, and just like Republicans these tactics are used way too often. I can't imagine blaming people for what they truly believe in, we are all way too different for that type of thinking. All of this is a big reason why I don't get caught up in the back and forth of supporting a party, it tends to divide us more than I am comfortable with. I am much more comfortable instilling my own values and compassion for humanity in a way that does not practice such negativity, am I right for doing this? Who knows. I don't have to be right about everything though and I feel I contribute better to society as a whole by not telling others how they should think. All I can do is offer my opinion, how it is received is out of my control.

Just to clarify @JW269453 you had previously stated that you have NEVER voted right?

CM189191

JW269453 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

the flaw i see is "sitting this one out" is actually a vote for trump. if you do not vote against trump, and you are not working to defeat him, then you are supporting him.

trump supporters are adults. they can take criticism and they can defend their positions. for the most part anyway. i know a few that are super intelligent people and they are voting based on what their retirement is doing. i can't fault them for that. 

I see it as I am not supporting either, much different. One thing I see getting tossed around is that anyone who voted for trump is every bit as liable for the deaths caused by CoVid-19 as him. I simply think this is a bad look for Democrats to spread right now, and just like Republicans these tactics are used way too often. I can't imagine blaming people for what they truly believe in, we are all way too different for that type of thinking. All of this is a big reason why I don't get caught up in the back and forth of supporting a party, it tends to divide us more than I am comfortable with. I am much more comfortable instilling my own values and compassion for humanity in a way that does not practice such negativity, am I right for doing this? Who knows. I don't have to be right about everything though and I feel I contribute better to society as a whole by not telling others how they should think. All I can do is offer my opinion, how it is received is out of my control.

'All I can do is offer my opinion....by not voting'

that's not really how this works

FiveBelow

I'm sitting this one out

RunIntoTheRain said:

JW269453 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

the flaw i see is "sitting this one out" is actually a vote for trump. if you do not vote against trump, and you are not working to defeat him, then you are supporting him.

trump supporters are adults. they can take criticism and they can defend their positions. for the most part anyway. i know a few that are super intelligent people and they are voting based on what their retirement is doing. i can't fault them for that. 

I see it as I am not supporting either, much different. One thing I see getting tossed around is that anyone who voted for trump is every bit as liable for the deaths caused by CoVid-19 as him. I simply think this is a bad look for Democrats to spread right now, and just like Republicans these tactics are used way too often. I can't imagine blaming people for what they truly believe in, we are all way too different for that type of thinking. All of this is a big reason why I don't get caught up in the back and forth of supporting a party, it tends to divide us more than I am comfortable with. I am much more comfortable instilling my own values and compassion for humanity in a way that does not practice such negativity, am I right for doing this? Who knows. I don't have to be right about everything though and I feel I contribute better to society as a whole by not telling others how they should think. All I can do is offer my opinion, how it is received is out of my control.

Just to clarify @JW269453 you had previously stated that you have NEVER voted right?

That is correct.

The Juggler

Biden

CM189191 said:

JW269453 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

the flaw i see is "sitting this one out" is actually a vote for trump. if you do not vote against trump, and you are not working to defeat him, then you are supporting him.

trump supporters are adults. they can take criticism and they can defend their positions. for the most part anyway. i know a few that are super intelligent people and they are voting based on what their retirement is doing. i can't fault them for that. 

I see it as I am not supporting either, much different. One thing I see getting tossed around is that anyone who voted for trump is every bit as liable for the deaths caused by CoVid-19 as him. I simply think this is a bad look for Democrats to spread right now, and just like Republicans these tactics are used way too often. I can't imagine blaming people for what they truly believe in, we are all way too different for that type of thinking. All of this is a big reason why I don't get caught up in the back and forth of supporting a party, it tends to divide us more than I am comfortable with. I am much more comfortable instilling my own values and compassion for humanity in a way that does not practice such negativity, am I right for doing this? Who knows. I don't have to be right about everything though and I feel I contribute better to society as a whole by not telling others how they should think. All I can do is offer my opinion, how it is received is out of my control.

'All I can do is offer my opinion....by not voting'

that's not really how this works

That's not how any of this works.

If you don't vote, your opinion is moo.

FiveBelow

I'm sitting this one out

CM189191 said:

JW269453 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

the flaw i see is "sitting this one out" is actually a vote for trump. if you do not vote against trump, and you are not working to defeat him, then you are supporting him.

trump supporters are adults. they can take criticism and they can defend their positions. for the most part anyway. i know a few that are super intelligent people and they are voting based on what their retirement is doing. i can't fault them for that. 

I see it as I am not supporting either, much different. One thing I see getting tossed around is that anyone who voted for trump is every bit as liable for the deaths caused by CoVid-19 as him. I simply think this is a bad look for Democrats to spread right now, and just like Republicans these tactics are used way too often. I can't imagine blaming people for what they truly believe in, we are all way too different for that type of thinking. All of this is a big reason why I don't get caught up in the back and forth of supporting a party, it tends to divide us more than I am comfortable with. I am much more comfortable instilling my own values and compassion for humanity in a way that does not practice such negativity, am I right for doing this? Who knows. I don't have to be right about everything though and I feel I contribute better to society as a whole by not telling others how they should think. All I can do is offer my opinion, how it is received is out of my control.

'All I can do is offer my opinion....by not voting'

that's not really how this works

My opinion on why I do not vote. Clip clop

mrussel1

Biden

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

I'm in NY which will easily go Biden.  I refuse to put my name behind him and the current state of Democrats.  So I'm going third party or write in.  If I was in a swing state I'd give my vote to Biden only as a no vote to Trump and the Republicans.  

Yeah if I was in one of those states where your voted doesn't matter, I probably wouldn't even bother voting for the president. But I'm in Pennsylvania so I have to vote for Biden just to have clear conscience. Same with 2016. I didn't really want to vote for Hillary. But I thought to myself " If Donald Fucking Trump wins Pennsylvania by ONE vote and that swings the election, I won't be able to live with myself." So I voted Hillary for president, as I will Biden. Though there is a possibility that I'll hate Biden's VP pick so much that it'll be even more annoying to have to vote for him than it was for Hillary. In fact, if he picks one of the possible running-mates that I don't like, maybe I'll just write-in Hillary for VP. 

Momentum seems to be with the governor from Michigan.  

I'd be fine with her. I know he said it'll be a woman, so that eliminates some of the men I don't care for (Beto, for example). But I just can't stand Warren and Harris so I hope it's neither of them (I think both are unlikely anyway). But yeah, I'd be all for Whitmer. 

I don't see Warren because the Dems would lose the seat until another election.  I wouldn't rule out Harris. 

CM189191

JW269453 said:

CM189191 said:

JW269453 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

the flaw i see is "sitting this one out" is actually a vote for trump. if you do not vote against trump, and you are not working to defeat him, then you are supporting him.

trump supporters are adults. they can take criticism and they can defend their positions. for the most part anyway. i know a few that are super intelligent people and they are voting based on what their retirement is doing. i can't fault them for that. 

I see it as I am not supporting either, much different. One thing I see getting tossed around is that anyone who voted for trump is every bit as liable for the deaths caused by CoVid-19 as him. I simply think this is a bad look for Democrats to spread right now, and just like Republicans these tactics are used way too often. I can't imagine blaming people for what they truly believe in, we are all way too different for that type of thinking. All of this is a big reason why I don't get caught up in the back and forth of supporting a party, it tends to divide us more than I am comfortable with. I am much more comfortable instilling my own values and compassion for humanity in a way that does not practice such negativity, am I right for doing this? Who knows. I don't have to be right about everything though and I feel I contribute better to society as a whole by not telling others how they should think. All I can do is offer my opinion, how it is received is out of my control.

'All I can do is offer my opinion....by not voting'

that's not really how this works

My opinion on why I do not vote. Clip clop

nice horseshoes
how do they fit?

dignin

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

SVRDhand13 said:

I'm in NY which will easily go Biden.  I refuse to put my name behind him and the current state of Democrats.  So I'm going third party or write in.  If I was in a swing state I'd give my vote to Biden only as a no vote to Trump and the Republicans.  

Yeah if I was in one of those states where your voted doesn't matter, I probably wouldn't even bother voting for the president. But I'm in Pennsylvania so I have to vote for Biden just to have clear conscience. Same with 2016. I didn't really want to vote for Hillary. But I thought to myself " If Donald Fucking Trump wins Pennsylvania by ONE vote and that swings the election, I won't be able to live with myself." So I voted Hillary for president, as I will Biden. Though there is a possibility that I'll hate Biden's VP pick so much that it'll be even more annoying to have to vote for him than it was for Hillary. In fact, if he picks one of the possible running-mates that I don't like, maybe I'll just write-in Hillary for VP. 

Momentum seems to be with the governor from Michigan.  

I'd be fine with her. I know he said it'll be a woman, so that eliminates some of the men I don't care for (Beto, for example). But I just can't stand Warren and Harris so I hope it's neither of them (I think both are unlikely anyway). But yeah, I'd be all for Whitmer. 

I don't see Warren because the Dems would lose the seat until another election.  I wouldn't rule out Harris. 

Warren is going to be the senate majority leader.

FiveBelow

I'm sitting this one out

The Juggler said:

CM189191 said:

JW269453 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

the flaw i see is "sitting this one out" is actually a vote for trump. if you do not vote against trump, and you are not working to defeat him, then you are supporting him.

trump supporters are adults. they can take criticism and they can defend their positions. for the most part anyway. i know a few that are super intelligent people and they are voting based on what their retirement is doing. i can't fault them for that. 

I see it as I am not supporting either, much different. One thing I see getting tossed around is that anyone who voted for trump is every bit as liable for the deaths caused by CoVid-19 as him. I simply think this is a bad look for Democrats to spread right now, and just like Republicans these tactics are used way too often. I can't imagine blaming people for what they truly believe in, we are all way too different for that type of thinking. All of this is a big reason why I don't get caught up in the back and forth of supporting a party, it tends to divide us more than I am comfortable with. I am much more comfortable instilling my own values and compassion for humanity in a way that does not practice such negativity, am I right for doing this? Who knows. I don't have to be right about everything though and I feel I contribute better to society as a whole by not telling others how they should think. All I can do is offer my opinion, how it is received is out of my control.

'All I can do is offer my opinion....by not voting'

that's not really how this works

That's not how any of this works.

If you don't vote, your opinion is moo.

Everyone is entitled to have an opinion. Are you saying anyone under the age of 18 holds no value to our society?

The Juggler

Biden

JW269453 said:

The Juggler said:

CM189191 said:

JW269453 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

the flaw i see is "sitting this one out" is actually a vote for trump. if you do not vote against trump, and you are not working to defeat him, then you are supporting him.

trump supporters are adults. they can take criticism and they can defend their positions. for the most part anyway. i know a few that are super intelligent people and they are voting based on what their retirement is doing. i can't fault them for that. 

I see it as I am not supporting either, much different. One thing I see getting tossed around is that anyone who voted for trump is every bit as liable for the deaths caused by CoVid-19 as him. I simply think this is a bad look for Democrats to spread right now, and just like Republicans these tactics are used way too often. I can't imagine blaming people for what they truly believe in, we are all way too different for that type of thinking. All of this is a big reason why I don't get caught up in the back and forth of supporting a party, it tends to divide us more than I am comfortable with. I am much more comfortable instilling my own values and compassion for humanity in a way that does not practice such negativity, am I right for doing this? Who knows. I don't have to be right about everything though and I feel I contribute better to society as a whole by not telling others how they should think. All I can do is offer my opinion, how it is received is out of my control.

'All I can do is offer my opinion....by not voting'

that's not really how this works

That's not how any of this works.

If you don't vote, your opinion is moo.

Everyone is entitled to have an opinion. Are you saying anyone under the age of 18 holds no value to our society?

Except you. Those folks are not able to vote yet. They can't help it. You can.

Moo.

gimmesometruth27

Biden

JW269453 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

the flaw i see is "sitting this one out" is actually a vote for trump. if you do not vote against trump, and you are not working to defeat him, then you are supporting him.

trump supporters are adults. they can take criticism and they can defend their positions. for the most part anyway. i know a few that are super intelligent people and they are voting based on what their retirement is doing. i can't fault them for that. 

I see it as I am not supporting either, much different. One thing I see getting tossed around is that anyone who voted for trump is every bit as liable for the deaths caused by CoVid-19 as him. I simply think this is a bad look for Democrats to spread right now, and just like Republicans these tactics are used way too often. I can't imagine blaming people for what they truly believe in, we are all way too different for that type of thinking. All of this is a big reason why I don't get caught up in the back and forth of supporting a party, it tends to divide us more than I am comfortable with. I am much more comfortable instilling my own values and compassion for humanity in a way that does not practice such negativity, am I right for doing this? Who knows. I don't have to be right about everything though and I feel I contribute better to society as a whole by not telling others how they should think. All I can do is offer my opinion, how it is received is out of my control.

i think that is a cop out, but whatever.

anybody that voted for trump is responsible for putting him into this position.

hell, what do i know. i am just some dude posting on a band's website. 

FiveBelow

I'm sitting this one out

The Juggler said:

JW269453 said:

The Juggler said:

CM189191 said:

JW269453 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

the flaw i see is "sitting this one out" is actually a vote for trump. if you do not vote against trump, and you are not working to defeat him, then you are supporting him.

trump supporters are adults. they can take criticism and they can defend their positions. for the most part anyway. i know a few that are super intelligent people and they are voting based on what their retirement is doing. i can't fault them for that. 

I see it as I am not supporting either, much different. One thing I see getting tossed around is that anyone who voted for trump is every bit as liable for the deaths caused by CoVid-19 as him. I simply think this is a bad look for Democrats to spread right now, and just like Republicans these tactics are used way too often. I can't imagine blaming people for what they truly believe in, we are all way too different for that type of thinking. All of this is a big reason why I don't get caught up in the back and forth of supporting a party, it tends to divide us more than I am comfortable with. I am much more comfortable instilling my own values and compassion for humanity in a way that does not practice such negativity, am I right for doing this? Who knows. I don't have to be right about everything though and I feel I contribute better to society as a whole by not telling others how they should think. All I can do is offer my opinion, how it is received is out of my control.

'All I can do is offer my opinion....by not voting'

that's not really how this works

That's not how any of this works.

If you don't vote, your opinion is moo.

Everyone is entitled to have an opinion. Are you saying anyone under the age of 18 holds no value to our society?

Except you. Those folks are not able to vote yet. They can't help it. You can.

Moo.

nicknyr15 this is a perfect example as to why this poll was created.

FiveBelow

I'm sitting this one out

gimmesometruth27 said:

JW269453 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

the flaw i see is "sitting this one out" is actually a vote for trump. if you do not vote against trump, and you are not working to defeat him, then you are supporting him.

trump supporters are adults. they can take criticism and they can defend their positions. for the most part anyway. i know a few that are super intelligent people and they are voting based on what their retirement is doing. i can't fault them for that. 

I see it as I am not supporting either, much different. One thing I see getting tossed around is that anyone who voted for trump is every bit as liable for the deaths caused by CoVid-19 as him. I simply think this is a bad look for Democrats to spread right now, and just like Republicans these tactics are used way too often. I can't imagine blaming people for what they truly believe in, we are all way too different for that type of thinking. All of this is a big reason why I don't get caught up in the back and forth of supporting a party, it tends to divide us more than I am comfortable with. I am much more comfortable instilling my own values and compassion for humanity in a way that does not practice such negativity, am I right for doing this? Who knows. I don't have to be right about everything though and I feel I contribute better to society as a whole by not telling others how they should think. All I can do is offer my opinion, how it is received is out of my control.

i think that is a cop out, but whatever.

anybody that voted for trump is responsible for putting him into this position.

hell, what do i know. i am just some dude posting on a band's website. 

This is my stance. I'm definitely not here shouting that this is the way for everyone, this is just my way.

mrussel1

Biden

JW269453 said:

The Juggler said:

JW269453 said:

The Juggler said:

CM189191 said:

JW269453 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

the flaw i see is "sitting this one out" is actually a vote for trump. if you do not vote against trump, and you are not working to defeat him, then you are supporting him.

trump supporters are adults. they can take criticism and they can defend their positions. for the most part anyway. i know a few that are super intelligent people and they are voting based on what their retirement is doing. i can't fault them for that. 

I see it as I am not supporting either, much different. One thing I see getting tossed around is that anyone who voted for trump is every bit as liable for the deaths caused by CoVid-19 as him. I simply think this is a bad look for Democrats to spread right now, and just like Republicans these tactics are used way too often. I can't imagine blaming people for what they truly believe in, we are all way too different for that type of thinking. All of this is a big reason why I don't get caught up in the back and forth of supporting a party, it tends to divide us more than I am comfortable with. I am much more comfortable instilling my own values and compassion for humanity in a way that does not practice such negativity, am I right for doing this? Who knows. I don't have to be right about everything though and I feel I contribute better to society as a whole by not telling others how they should think. All I can do is offer my opinion, how it is received is out of my control.

'All I can do is offer my opinion....by not voting'

that's not really how this works

That's not how any of this works.

If you don't vote, your opinion is moo.

Everyone is entitled to have an opinion. Are you saying anyone under the age of 18 holds no value to our society?

Except you. Those folks are not able to vote yet. They can't help it. You can.

Moo.

nicknyr15 this is a perfect example as to why this poll was created.

Let me say it again... you have no idea why I made the decision I made.  You think it was for the Juggler or CM?  

Bunch of fucking cry babies.  JHC. No one is making you vote or post. 

The Juggler

Biden

JW269453 said:

The Juggler said:

JW269453 said:

The Juggler said:

CM189191 said:

JW269453 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

the flaw i see is "sitting this one out" is actually a vote for trump. if you do not vote against trump, and you are not working to defeat him, then you are supporting him.

trump supporters are adults. they can take criticism and they can defend their positions. for the most part anyway. i know a few that are super intelligent people and they are voting based on what their retirement is doing. i can't fault them for that. 

I see it as I am not supporting either, much different. One thing I see getting tossed around is that anyone who voted for trump is every bit as liable for the deaths caused by CoVid-19 as him. I simply think this is a bad look for Democrats to spread right now, and just like Republicans these tactics are used way too often. I can't imagine blaming people for what they truly believe in, we are all way too different for that type of thinking. All of this is a big reason why I don't get caught up in the back and forth of supporting a party, it tends to divide us more than I am comfortable with. I am much more comfortable instilling my own values and compassion for humanity in a way that does not practice such negativity, am I right for doing this? Who knows. I don't have to be right about everything though and I feel I contribute better to society as a whole by not telling others how they should think. All I can do is offer my opinion, how it is received is out of my control.

'All I can do is offer my opinion....by not voting'

that's not really how this works

That's not how any of this works.

If you don't vote, your opinion is moo.

Everyone is entitled to have an opinion. Are you saying anyone under the age of 18 holds no value to our society?

Except you. Those folks are not able to vote yet. They can't help it. You can.

Moo.

nicknyr15 this is a perfect example as to why this poll was created.

I understand you are upset but I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm really sorry.

FiveBelow

I'm sitting this one out

mrussel1 said:

JW269453 said:

The Juggler said:

JW269453 said:

The Juggler said:

CM189191 said:

JW269453 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

the flaw i see is "sitting this one out" is actually a vote for trump. if you do not vote against trump, and you are not working to defeat him, then you are supporting him.

trump supporters are adults. they can take criticism and they can defend their positions. for the most part anyway. i know a few that are super intelligent people and they are voting based on what their retirement is doing. i can't fault them for that. 

I see it as I am not supporting either, much different. One thing I see getting tossed around is that anyone who voted for trump is every bit as liable for the deaths caused by CoVid-19 as him. I simply think this is a bad look for Democrats to spread right now, and just like Republicans these tactics are used way too often. I can't imagine blaming people for what they truly believe in, we are all way too different for that type of thinking. All of this is a big reason why I don't get caught up in the back and forth of supporting a party, it tends to divide us more than I am comfortable with. I am much more comfortable instilling my own values and compassion for humanity in a way that does not practice such negativity, am I right for doing this? Who knows. I don't have to be right about everything though and I feel I contribute better to society as a whole by not telling others how they should think. All I can do is offer my opinion, how it is received is out of my control.

'All I can do is offer my opinion....by not voting'

that's not really how this works

That's not how any of this works.

If you don't vote, your opinion is moo.

Everyone is entitled to have an opinion. Are you saying anyone under the age of 18 holds no value to our society?

Except you. Those folks are not able to vote yet. They can't help it. You can.

Moo.

nicknyr15 this is a perfect example as to why this poll was created.

Let me say it again... you have no idea why I made the decision I made.  You think it was for the Juggler or CM?  

Bunch of fucking cry babies.  JHC. No one is making you vote or post. 

I apologize for not looking at who created the post. We have gone back and forth as to my position a couple of times and in a manner that did not tear one another down. That is not why I am here, but the same does not seem to be true for others which is why I said what I said.

The Juggler

Biden

I'm so confused