More Important: Beating Trump or Stopping Bernie?

Thoughts_Arrive said:

wtf is wrong with Bernie becoming president?

rgambs said:

EarlWelsh said:

Where has Hidin’ Joe Biden been? Do people still think he’s fit to lead? Does anyone still think he has a chance? What a fucking joke.

He's not my choice, but of course he's fit to lead.  Of course he has a chance.  You gotta pull your head out of the clouds and get some perspective.
In November you will have 2 choices. Biden or Trump. 
That's it.  Which is more fit to lead?

EarlWelsh said:

rgambs said:

EarlWelsh said:

Where has Hidin’ Joe Biden been? Do people still think he’s fit to lead? Does anyone still think he has a chance? What a fucking joke.

He's not my choice, but of course he's fit to lead.  Of course he has a chance.  You gotta pull your head out of the clouds and get some perspective.
In November you will have 2 choices. Biden or Trump. 
That's it.  Which is more fit to lead?

With all due respect, I am not the one with my head in the clouds. Between Sanders, Biden, and Trump, there are only two people addressing the nation during this pandemic.

Sanders is holding near-daily discussions on how to hopefully soften the blow of COVID-19 and has helped raise millions to do so. Trump, and let me be clear here...I fucking loathe this man and have long before he was even President, but as he makes his sad attempts at being Presidential, he is providing some ideas that are to the left of what little nonsense Biden has muttered. 

Kindly asking CEOs to publicly commit to not engaging in stock buybacks of their own company? For only a year? That’s one of his big, bold ideas right now? Other than that, his team sends out obvious tweets like “the testing for COVID-19 should be free to all” and “once we have a vaccine it should be free to all” and “this President is doing a terrible job.” No fucking shit. Say something new. Do something useful. Show your self and confidently reassure the nation we’ll get through this and come out stronger. You don’t even have to believe it, Joe, just bullshit like you always do. 

They’re keeping him in hiding because Biden’s brain hasn’t recovered since his last sad attempt at Skyping. Trump will beat Biden in the fall and he will do it from the left, sadly. 

These times are proving to be a true test of leadership. Biden is failing this test. He is not upto the task.

There is only one man with the ideas to tackle this health crisis head-on and to help us through the economic fall-out that will follow. As each day passes, it becomes clearer that that man is not Biden, and it is certainly not Trump.

EarlWelsh said:

dignin said:

EarlWelsh said:

rgambs said:

EarlWelsh said:

Where has Hidin’ Joe Biden been? Do people still think he’s fit to lead? Does anyone still think he has a chance? What a fucking joke.

He's not my choice, but of course he's fit to lead.  Of course he has a chance.  You gotta pull your head out of the clouds and get some perspective.
In November you will have 2 choices. Biden or Trump. 
That's it.  Which is more fit to lead?

With all due respect, I am not the one with my head in the clouds. Between Sanders, Biden, and Trump, there are only two people addressing the nation during this pandemic.

Sanders is holding near-daily discussions on how to hopefully soften the blow of COVID-19 and has helped raise millions to do so. Trump, and let me be clear here...I fucking loathe this man and have long before he was even President, but as he makes his sad attempts at being Presidential, he is providing some ideas that are to the left of what little nonsense Biden has muttered. 

Kindly asking CEOs to publicly commit to not engaging in stock buybacks of their own company? For only a year? That’s one of his big, bold ideas right now? Other than that, his team sends out obvious tweets like “the testing for COVID-19 should be free to all” and “once we have a vaccine it should be free to all” and “this President is doing a terrible job.” No fucking shit. Say something new. Do something useful. Show your self and confidently reassure the nation we’ll get through this and come out stronger. You don’t even have to believe it, Joe, just bullshit like you always do. 

They’re keeping him in hiding because Biden’s brain hasn’t recovered since his last sad attempt at Skyping. Trump will beat Biden in the fall and he will do it from the left, sadly. 

These times are proving to be a true test of leadership. Biden is failing this test. He is not upto the task.

There is only one man with the ideas to tackle this health crisis head-on and to help us through the economic fall-out that will follow. As each day passes, it becomes clearer that that man is not Biden, and it is certainly not Trump.

Bernie may be better, but that doesn't change the fact that he isn't going to win the nomination. The math just isn't there.

Still plenty of delegates for grabs. Upto voters in the remaining primaries to come to their senses or not. That said, it doesn’t look good, but I’ll keep pushing for it. 

JimmyV said:

EarlWelsh said:

If it fails, literally the ONLY reason to vote for Biden. And if he wins we’ll have another corporate democrat, we’ll be right where we were with what led to Trump. Vicious cycle. Color me excited.

We won't be right where we were because Joe Biden is white and Barack Obama is not. So at the very least the racism angle will be somewhat mitigated.

rgambs said:

EarlWelsh said:

JimmyV said:

EarlWelsh said:

If it fails, literally the ONLY reason to vote for Biden. And if he wins we’ll have another corporate democrat, we’ll be right where we were with what led to Trump. Vicious cycle. Color me excited.

We won't be right where we were because Joe Biden is white and Barack Obama is not. So at the very least the racism angle will be somewhat mitigated.

Racism isn’t what I was referring to, nor is it the main thing that got us Trump. The disenfranchisement of the American working/middle-class is what mainly got us Trump.

That's a fantasy that makes people comfortable because they don't have to confront ugly truths about America.  The American working/middle class hasn't changed since Trump was elected and suddenly they are all comfy and cozy?  Wonder why...🤔

josevolution said:

EarlWelsh said:

rgambs said:

EarlWelsh said:

JimmyV said:

EarlWelsh said:

If it fails, literally the ONLY reason to vote for Biden. And if he wins we’ll have another corporate democrat, we’ll be right where we were with what led to Trump. Vicious cycle. Color me excited.

We won't be right where we were because Joe Biden is white and Barack Obama is not. So at the very least the racism angle will be somewhat mitigated.

Racism isn’t what I was referring to, nor is it the main thing that got us Trump. The disenfranchisement of the American working/middle-class is what mainly got us Trump.

That's a fantasy that makes people comfortable because they don't have to confront ugly truths about America.  The American working/middle class hasn't changed since Trump was elected and suddenly they are all comfy and cozy?  Wonder why...🤔

Who are you saying is comfy cozy? I’m not saying racism doesn’t exist or isn’t a problem or isn’t partly why people voted for and continue to support Trump. I just think it’s too simplistic to view Trump as the sickness, as opposed to a symptom of a greater sickness. 

I’d say we have to deal with that sickness first and then try to fix the bigger problem you talk about..