More Important: Beating Trump or Stopping Bernie?

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  • EarlWelshEarlWelsh Posts: 1,118
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    mickeyrat said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    Did Bernie drop out yet? Bernie needs to drop out yesterday.
    Why?


    Because he's a useless ineffective politician


    That’s ridiculous. 
    Citation needed


    Why is he ineffective? I understand your angle, assuming that it is “he’s only passed 3 pieces of legislation in his career” but his effectiveness reaches far beyond that. His stubbornness, in my eyes, is to be commended. Is his “ineffectiveness” a product of itself or is it a product of a broken, corrupt system. Depends on how you view it and what you want out of government. More of the same? Or something that truly works for all people?. Being an outsider in Washington only strengthens why he’s needed inside the White House. We need change, desperately, and Biden just isn’t it. If Biden wins, which I really don’t think he can, expect something worse than Trump to follow.
    wait. you link an article whos title says in 29 years Sanders......

    then YOU claim he is an outsider to Washington?
    Ideologically, yes, and by his refusal to be bought by special interests (the aforementioned corruption in Washington) he’s an outsider to a system that DOES NOT stand for or work for the working, middle-class of this country. 
    So who is funding Bernie's campaign then?
    http://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race/candidate?id=N00000528
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,580
    EarlWelsh said:
    mickeyrat said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    Did Bernie drop out yet? Bernie needs to drop out yesterday.
    Why?


    Because he's a useless ineffective politician


    That’s ridiculous. 
    Citation needed


    Why is he ineffective? I understand your angle, assuming that it is “he’s only passed 3 pieces of legislation in his career” but his effectiveness reaches far beyond that. His stubbornness, in my eyes, is to be commended. Is his “ineffectiveness” a product of itself or is it a product of a broken, corrupt system. Depends on how you view it and what you want out of government. More of the same? Or something that truly works for all people?. Being an outsider in Washington only strengthens why he’s needed inside the White House. We need change, desperately, and Biden just isn’t it. If Biden wins, which I really don’t think he can, expect something worse than Trump to follow.
    wait. you link an article whos title says in 29 years Sanders......

    then YOU claim he is an outsider to Washington?
    Ideologically, yes, and by his refusal to be bought by special interests (the aforementioned corruption in Washington) he’s an outsider to a system that DOES NOT stand for or work for the working, middle-class of this country. 
    and hes become a millionaire from being there and writing books that wouldnt if he werent a sitting Senator. 
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Bernie's coming across like a real a****** during this debate. He's not answering any questions he's just asking them. He's asking asking asking theoretical hypothetical theoretical hypothetical question? He's got no answers no answers no answers.
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    mickeyrat said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    Did Bernie drop out yet? Bernie needs to drop out yesterday.
    Why?


    Because he's a useless ineffective politician


    That’s ridiculous. 
    Citation needed


    Why is he ineffective? I understand your angle, assuming that it is “he’s only passed 3 pieces of legislation in his career” but his effectiveness reaches far beyond that. His stubbornness, in my eyes, is to be commended. Is his “ineffectiveness” a product of itself or is it a product of a broken, corrupt system. Depends on how you view it and what you want out of government. More of the same? Or something that truly works for all people?. Being an outsider in Washington only strengthens why he’s needed inside the White House. We need change, desperately, and Biden just isn’t it. If Biden wins, which I really don’t think he can, expect something worse than Trump to follow.
    wait. you link an article whos title says in 29 years Sanders......

    then YOU claim he is an outsider to Washington?
    Ideologically, yes, and by his refusal to be bought by special interests (the aforementioned corruption in Washington) he’s an outsider to a system that DOES NOT stand for or work for the working, middle-class of this country. 
    So who is funding Bernie's campaign then?
    http://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race/candidate?id=N00000528
    Don't you find it strange, that none of them show up at the polls?
  • EarlWelshEarlWelsh Posts: 1,118
    mickeyrat said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    mickeyrat said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    Did Bernie drop out yet? Bernie needs to drop out yesterday.
    Why?


    Because he's a useless ineffective politician


    That’s ridiculous. 
    Citation needed


    Why is he ineffective? I understand your angle, assuming that it is “he’s only passed 3 pieces of legislation in his career” but his effectiveness reaches far beyond that. His stubbornness, in my eyes, is to be commended. Is his “ineffectiveness” a product of itself or is it a product of a broken, corrupt system. Depends on how you view it and what you want out of government. More of the same? Or something that truly works for all people?. Being an outsider in Washington only strengthens why he’s needed inside the White House. We need change, desperately, and Biden just isn’t it. If Biden wins, which I really don’t think he can, expect something worse than Trump to follow.
    wait. you link an article whos title says in 29 years Sanders......

    then YOU claim he is an outsider to Washington?
    Ideologically, yes, and by his refusal to be bought by special interests (the aforementioned corruption in Washington) he’s an outsider to a system that DOES NOT stand for or work for the working, middle-class of this country. 
    and hes become a millionaire from being there and writing books that wouldnt if he werent a sitting Senator. 
    Yes, he’s become a millionaire just a few years ago while in his mid-seventies. Somewhere between 2-2.5 million, 1.75 of which is from book sales, not from taking money of special interests. 
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Bernie's whole selling point is: "vote for me, I've gotten nothing accomplished and disagree with everything that ever happened"

    Bernie's not a leader.  He's a loser.  He keeps talking about his record.  He has no record.  No accomplishments.  All bluster, no action.
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    EarlWelsh said:
    mickeyrat said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    mickeyrat said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    Did Bernie drop out yet? Bernie needs to drop out yesterday.
    Why?


    Because he's a useless ineffective politician


    That’s ridiculous. 
    Citation needed


    Why is he ineffective? I understand your angle, assuming that it is “he’s only passed 3 pieces of legislation in his career” but his effectiveness reaches far beyond that. His stubbornness, in my eyes, is to be commended. Is his “ineffectiveness” a product of itself or is it a product of a broken, corrupt system. Depends on how you view it and what you want out of government. More of the same? Or something that truly works for all people?. Being an outsider in Washington only strengthens why he’s needed inside the White House. We need change, desperately, and Biden just isn’t it. If Biden wins, which I really don’t think he can, expect something worse than Trump to follow.
    wait. you link an article whos title says in 29 years Sanders......

    then YOU claim he is an outsider to Washington?
    Ideologically, yes, and by his refusal to be bought by special interests (the aforementioned corruption in Washington) he’s an outsider to a system that DOES NOT stand for or work for the working, middle-class of this country. 
    and hes become a millionaire from being there and writing books that wouldnt if he werent a sitting Senator. 
    Yes, he’s become a millionaire just a few years ago while in his mid-seventies. Somewhere between 2-2.5 million, 1.75 of which is from book sales, not from taking money of special interests. 
    Agribusiness$930,479
    Communications/Electronics$6,828,573
    Construction$1,410,372
    Defense$409,027
    Energy & Natural Resources$468,791
    Finance, Insurance & Real Estate$2,785,151
    Health$4,771,353
    Lawyers & Lobbyists$1,549,019
    Transportation$1,354,239

    stop lying
  • EarlWelshEarlWelsh Posts: 1,118
    CM189191 said:
    Bernie's whole selling point is: "vote for me, I've gotten nothing accomplished and disagree with everything that ever happened"

    Bernie's not a leader.  He's a loser.  He keeps talking about his record.  He has no record.  No accomplishments.  All bluster, no action.
    Nothing accomplished? He’s shifted the overall platform of the Democratic primary further to the left, where it needs to be. There’s no reason to believe Biden won’t just return us to exactly where we were prior to Trump, which is how we ended up with that douchebag. 

    And just so you’re aware, you come across like a MAGAnut, with all that unfounded loser talk.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,017
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    mickeyrat said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    mickeyrat said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    Did Bernie drop out yet? Bernie needs to drop out yesterday.
    Why?


    Because he's a useless ineffective politician


    That’s ridiculous. 
    Citation needed


    Why is he ineffective? I understand your angle, assuming that it is “he’s only passed 3 pieces of legislation in his career” but his effectiveness reaches far beyond that. His stubbornness, in my eyes, is to be commended. Is his “ineffectiveness” a product of itself or is it a product of a broken, corrupt system. Depends on how you view it and what you want out of government. More of the same? Or something that truly works for all people?. Being an outsider in Washington only strengthens why he’s needed inside the White House. We need change, desperately, and Biden just isn’t it. If Biden wins, which I really don’t think he can, expect something worse than Trump to follow.
    wait. you link an article whos title says in 29 years Sanders......

    then YOU claim he is an outsider to Washington?
    Ideologically, yes, and by his refusal to be bought by special interests (the aforementioned corruption in Washington) he’s an outsider to a system that DOES NOT stand for or work for the working, middle-class of this country. 
    and hes become a millionaire from being there and writing books that wouldnt if he werent a sitting Senator. 
    Yes, he’s become a millionaire just a few years ago while in his mid-seventies. Somewhere between 2-2.5 million, 1.75 of which is from book sales, not from taking money of special interests. 
    Agribusiness$930,479
    Communications/Electronics$6,828,573
    Construction$1,410,372
    Defense$409,027
    Energy & Natural Resources$468,791
    Finance, Insurance & Real Estate$2,785,151
    Health$4,771,353
    Lawyers & Lobbyists$1,549,019
    Transportation$1,354,239

    stop lying
    That Bernie, pure as the driven snow. Corrupt too, it seems.
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    Bernie's whole selling point is: "vote for me, I've gotten nothing accomplished and disagree with everything that ever happened"

    Bernie's not a leader.  He's a loser.  He keeps talking about his record.  He has no record.  No accomplishments.  All bluster, no action.
    Nothing accomplished? He’s shifted the overall platform of the Democratic primary further to the left, where it needs to be. There’s no reason to believe Biden won’t just return us to exactly where we were prior to Trump, which is how we ended up with that douchebag. 

    And just so you’re aware, you come across like a MAGAnut, with all that unfounded loser talk.

    Bernie shifted the platform so far to the left that Biden is the front runner, who will bring us right back to where we were before trump

    Did I read that right?
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Bernie's debate tactic: 

    Here's what wrong with society : A, B, C
    Now what are you going to do about it Joe?

    Bernie has no answers, only questions

    He's basically the Karen of politics, demanding to speak to the manager
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Bernie:  Here are my complaints
    Biden:  Here's a list of specific items I have accomplished to address your complaints, and what I plan to do going forward. 
    Bernie:  But you didn't do enoooouuuugh.  Also, I voted against everything you just said.
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    CM189191 said:
    Did Bernie drop out yet? Bernie needs to drop out yesterday.

  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    Bernie's whole selling point is: "vote for me, I've gotten nothing accomplished and disagree with everything that ever happened"

    Bernie's not a leader.  He's a loser.  He keeps talking about his record.  He has no record.  No accomplishments.  All bluster, no action.
    Nothing accomplished? He’s shifted the overall platform of the Democratic primary further to the left, where it needs to be. There’s no reason to believe Biden won’t just return us to exactly where we were prior to Trump, which is how we ended up with that douchebag. 

    And just so you’re aware, you come across like a MAGAnut, with all that unfounded loser talk.
    Bernie said he would release his medical records.
    That turned out to be a lie.

    Bernie said he would support the Democratic nominee.
    Will that turn out to be a lie too?
  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    Beating Trump in the fall
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    mickeyrat said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    mickeyrat said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    Did Bernie drop out yet? Bernie needs to drop out yesterday.
    Why?


    Because he's a useless ineffective politician


    That’s ridiculous. 
    Citation needed


    Why is he ineffective? I understand your angle, assuming that it is “he’s only passed 3 pieces of legislation in his career” but his effectiveness reaches far beyond that. His stubbornness, in my eyes, is to be commended. Is his “ineffectiveness” a product of itself or is it a product of a broken, corrupt system. Depends on how you view it and what you want out of government. More of the same? Or something that truly works for all people?. Being an outsider in Washington only strengthens why he’s needed inside the White House. We need change, desperately, and Biden just isn’t it. If Biden wins, which I really don’t think he can, expect something worse than Trump to follow.
    wait. you link an article whos title says in 29 years Sanders......

    then YOU claim he is an outsider to Washington?
    Ideologically, yes, and by his refusal to be bought by special interests (the aforementioned corruption in Washington) he’s an outsider to a system that DOES NOT stand for or work for the working, middle-class of this country. 
    and hes become a millionaire from being there and writing books that wouldnt if he werent a sitting Senator. 
    Yes, he’s become a millionaire just a few years ago while in his mid-seventies. Somewhere between 2-2.5 million, 1.75 of which is from book sales, not from taking money of special interests. 
    Agribusiness$930,479
    Communications/Electronics$6,828,573
    Construction$1,410,372
    Defense$409,027
    Energy & Natural Resources$468,791
    Finance, Insurance & Real Estate$2,785,151
    Health$4,771,353
    Lawyers & Lobbyists$1,549,019
    Transportation$1,354,239

    stop lying
    I believe this is the total number of all the individual donations based on donor occupation. Does a worker that happens to work in defense and donate to Bernie because he supports the agenda somehow represent defense industry special interests.  Kind of distorting your facts with those numbers isn’t it?
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  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,144
    I think it's permission structures. It was theorized on Pod Save America, it's a technique used by the former Obama administration it varies from Sanders' usual debate approach, and it coincides with massive confidence around Biden: Sanders is trying to create a permission structure for his voters to feel comfortable with Biden before he drops out. If he doesn't handle it methodically, they won't swing when he leaves.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    benjs said:
    I think it's permission structures. It was theorized on Pod Save America, it's a technique used by the former Obama administration it varies from Sanders' usual debate approach, and it coincides with massive confidence around Biden: Sanders is trying to create a permission structure for his voters to feel comfortable with Biden before he drops out. If he doesn't handle it methodically, they won't swing when he leaves.
    I agree. Hello fellow pod listener.
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    mickeyrat said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    mickeyrat said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    Did Bernie drop out yet? Bernie needs to drop out yesterday.
    Why?


    Because he's a useless ineffective politician


    That’s ridiculous. 
    Citation needed


    Why is he ineffective? I understand your angle, assuming that it is “he’s only passed 3 pieces of legislation in his career” but his effectiveness reaches far beyond that. His stubbornness, in my eyes, is to be commended. Is his “ineffectiveness” a product of itself or is it a product of a broken, corrupt system. Depends on how you view it and what you want out of government. More of the same? Or something that truly works for all people?. Being an outsider in Washington only strengthens why he’s needed inside the White House. We need change, desperately, and Biden just isn’t it. If Biden wins, which I really don’t think he can, expect something worse than Trump to follow.
    wait. you link an article whos title says in 29 years Sanders......

    then YOU claim he is an outsider to Washington?
    Ideologically, yes, and by his refusal to be bought by special interests (the aforementioned corruption in Washington) he’s an outsider to a system that DOES NOT stand for or work for the working, middle-class of this country. 
    and hes become a millionaire from being there and writing books that wouldnt if he werent a sitting Senator. 
    Yes, he’s become a millionaire just a few years ago while in his mid-seventies. Somewhere between 2-2.5 million, 1.75 of which is from book sales, not from taking money of special interests. 
    Agribusiness$930,479
    Communications/Electronics$6,828,573
    Construction$1,410,372
    Defense$409,027
    Energy & Natural Resources$468,791
    Finance, Insurance & Real Estate$2,785,151
    Health$4,771,353
    Lawyers & Lobbyists$1,549,019
    Transportation$1,354,239

    stop lying
    I believe this is the total number of all the individual donations based on donor occupation. Does a worker that happens to work in defense and donate to Bernie because he supports the agenda somehow represent defense industry special interests.  Kind of distorting your facts with those numbers isn’t it?

    Does an employer that happens to work in defense and donate to Bernie because they support the agenda somehow represent defense industry special interests? 

    stated another way:
    I work in insurance.  So I give to the candidate that is going to protect the insurance industry.
    My employer is in the insurance industry.  So they give to the candidate that is going to protect their employees.  

    so what does 'special interest' really mean? 
    is it just another buzz word that Bernie uses to shift blame from his own failures?
  • EarlWelshEarlWelsh Posts: 1,118
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    mickeyrat said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    mickeyrat said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    Did Bernie drop out yet? Bernie needs to drop out yesterday.
    Why?


    Because he's a useless ineffective politician


    That’s ridiculous. 
    Citation needed


    Why is he ineffective? I understand your angle, assuming that it is “he’s only passed 3 pieces of legislation in his career” but his effectiveness reaches far beyond that. His stubbornness, in my eyes, is to be commended. Is his “ineffectiveness” a product of itself or is it a product of a broken, corrupt system. Depends on how you view it and what you want out of government. More of the same? Or something that truly works for all people?. Being an outsider in Washington only strengthens why he’s needed inside the White House. We need change, desperately, and Biden just isn’t it. If Biden wins, which I really don’t think he can, expect something worse than Trump to follow.
    wait. you link an article whos title says in 29 years Sanders......

    then YOU claim he is an outsider to Washington?
    Ideologically, yes, and by his refusal to be bought by special interests (the aforementioned corruption in Washington) he’s an outsider to a system that DOES NOT stand for or work for the working, middle-class of this country. 
    and hes become a millionaire from being there and writing books that wouldnt if he werent a sitting Senator. 
    Yes, he’s become a millionaire just a few years ago while in his mid-seventies. Somewhere between 2-2.5 million, 1.75 of which is from book sales, not from taking money of special interests. 
    Agribusiness$930,479
    Communications/Electronics$6,828,573
    Construction$1,410,372
    Defense$409,027
    Energy & Natural Resources$468,791
    Finance, Insurance & Real Estate$2,785,151
    Health$4,771,353
    Lawyers & Lobbyists$1,549,019
    Transportation$1,354,239

    stop lying
    I believe this is the total number of all the individual donations based on donor occupation. Does a worker that happens to work in defense and donate to Bernie because he supports the agenda somehow represent defense industry special interests.  Kind of distorting your facts with those numbers isn’t it?

    Does an employer that happens to work in defense and donate to Bernie because they support the agenda somehow represent defense industry special interests? 

    stated another way:
    I work in insurance.  So I give to the candidate that is going to protect the insurance industry.
    My employer is in the insurance industry.  So they give to the candidate that is going to protect their employees.  

    so what does 'special interest' really mean? 
    is it just another buzz word that Bernie uses to shift blame from his own failures?
    Or someone works in any given field and gives to Bernie because they care about the overall betterment of society, regardless of how it benefits the particular sector they work in.
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    mickeyrat said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    mickeyrat said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    Did Bernie drop out yet? Bernie needs to drop out yesterday.
    Why?


    Because he's a useless ineffective politician


    That’s ridiculous. 
    Citation needed


    Why is he ineffective? I understand your angle, assuming that it is “he’s only passed 3 pieces of legislation in his career” but his effectiveness reaches far beyond that. His stubbornness, in my eyes, is to be commended. Is his “ineffectiveness” a product of itself or is it a product of a broken, corrupt system. Depends on how you view it and what you want out of government. More of the same? Or something that truly works for all people?. Being an outsider in Washington only strengthens why he’s needed inside the White House. We need change, desperately, and Biden just isn’t it. If Biden wins, which I really don’t think he can, expect something worse than Trump to follow.
    wait. you link an article whos title says in 29 years Sanders......

    then YOU claim he is an outsider to Washington?
    Ideologically, yes, and by his refusal to be bought by special interests (the aforementioned corruption in Washington) he’s an outsider to a system that DOES NOT stand for or work for the working, middle-class of this country. 
    and hes become a millionaire from being there and writing books that wouldnt if he werent a sitting Senator. 
    Yes, he’s become a millionaire just a few years ago while in his mid-seventies. Somewhere between 2-2.5 million, 1.75 of which is from book sales, not from taking money of special interests. 
    Agribusiness$930,479
    Communications/Electronics$6,828,573
    Construction$1,410,372
    Defense$409,027
    Energy & Natural Resources$468,791
    Finance, Insurance & Real Estate$2,785,151
    Health$4,771,353
    Lawyers & Lobbyists$1,549,019
    Transportation$1,354,239

    stop lying
    I believe this is the total number of all the individual donations based on donor occupation. Does a worker that happens to work in defense and donate to Bernie because he supports the agenda somehow represent defense industry special interests.  Kind of distorting your facts with those numbers isn’t it?

    Does an employer that happens to work in defense and donate to Bernie because they support the agenda somehow represent defense industry special interests? 

    stated another way:
    I work in insurance.  So I give to the candidate that is going to protect the insurance industry.
    My employer is in the insurance industry.  So they give to the candidate that is going to protect their employees.  

    so what does 'special interest' really mean? 
    is it just another buzz word that Bernie uses to shift blame from his own failures?
    Or someone works in any given field and gives to Bernie because they care about the overall betterment of society, regardless of how it benefits the particular sector they work in.

    So when someone donates to Bernie, it's for the overall betterment of society.

    But when someone donates to Biden, it's representing special interests.

    Well that's a convenient of looking at things.
  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,144
    edited March 2020
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    mickeyrat said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    mickeyrat said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    Did Bernie drop out yet? Bernie needs to drop out yesterday.
    Why?


    Because he's a useless ineffective politician


    That’s ridiculous. 
    Citation needed


    Why is he ineffective? I understand your angle, assuming that it is “he’s only passed 3 pieces of legislation in his career” but his effectiveness reaches far beyond that. His stubbornness, in my eyes, is to be commended. Is his “ineffectiveness” a product of itself or is it a product of a broken, corrupt system. Depends on how you view it and what you want out of government. More of the same? Or something that truly works for all people?. Being an outsider in Washington only strengthens why he’s needed inside the White House. We need change, desperately, and Biden just isn’t it. If Biden wins, which I really don’t think he can, expect something worse than Trump to follow.
    wait. you link an article whos title says in 29 years Sanders......

    then YOU claim he is an outsider to Washington?
    Ideologically, yes, and by his refusal to be bought by special interests (the aforementioned corruption in Washington) he’s an outsider to a system that DOES NOT stand for or work for the working, middle-class of this country. 
    and hes become a millionaire from being there and writing books that wouldnt if he werent a sitting Senator. 
    Yes, he’s become a millionaire just a few years ago while in his mid-seventies. Somewhere between 2-2.5 million, 1.75 of which is from book sales, not from taking money of special interests. 
    Agribusiness$930,479
    Communications/Electronics$6,828,573
    Construction$1,410,372
    Defense$409,027
    Energy & Natural Resources$468,791
    Finance, Insurance & Real Estate$2,785,151
    Health$4,771,353
    Lawyers & Lobbyists$1,549,019
    Transportation$1,354,239

    stop lying
    I believe this is the total number of all the individual donations based on donor occupation. Does a worker that happens to work in defense and donate to Bernie because he supports the agenda somehow represent defense industry special interests.  Kind of distorting your facts with those numbers isn’t it?

    Does an employer that happens to work in defense and donate to Bernie because they support the agenda somehow represent defense industry special interests? 

    stated another way:
    I work in insurance.  So I give to the candidate that is going to protect the insurance industry.
    My employer is in the insurance industry.  So they give to the candidate that is going to protect their employees.  

    so what does 'special interest' really mean? 
    is it just another buzz word that Bernie uses to shift blame from his own failures?
    Or someone works in any given field and gives to Bernie because they care about the overall betterment of society, regardless of how it benefits the particular sector they work in.

    So when someone donates to Bernie, it's for the overall betterment of society.

    But when someone donates to Biden, it's representing special interests.

    Well that's a convenient of looking at things.
    You don't have to be for or against Sanders to see that he has been morally, ethically, and positionally consistent for decades in ways Biden hasn't. When looking at their histories, Sanders has been an ideologue first, and Biden a politician first. If they can converge and define a messaging strategy that unifies these two branches, maybe they can define this as a partnership.

    Edit: I also think if there were ever a time that the USA might change its relationship with M4A, it would be right now in the middle of a pandemic. I'm guessing that's not lost on Sanders.
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  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,144
    dignin said:
    benjs said:
    I think it's permission structures. It was theorized on Pod Save America, it's a technique used by the former Obama administration it varies from Sanders' usual debate approach, and it coincides with massive confidence around Biden: Sanders is trying to create a permission structure for his voters to feel comfortable with Biden before he drops out. If he doesn't handle it methodically, they won't swing when he leaves.
    I agree. Hello fellow pod listener.
    One of my favourite places to learn these days. Love those guys.
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    benjs said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    mickeyrat said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    mickeyrat said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    Did Bernie drop out yet? Bernie needs to drop out yesterday.
    Why?


    Because he's a useless ineffective politician


    That’s ridiculous. 
    Citation needed


    Why is he ineffective? I understand your angle, assuming that it is “he’s only passed 3 pieces of legislation in his career” but his effectiveness reaches far beyond that. His stubbornness, in my eyes, is to be commended. Is his “ineffectiveness” a product of itself or is it a product of a broken, corrupt system. Depends on how you view it and what you want out of government. More of the same? Or something that truly works for all people?. Being an outsider in Washington only strengthens why he’s needed inside the White House. We need change, desperately, and Biden just isn’t it. If Biden wins, which I really don’t think he can, expect something worse than Trump to follow.
    wait. you link an article whos title says in 29 years Sanders......

    then YOU claim he is an outsider to Washington?
    Ideologically, yes, and by his refusal to be bought by special interests (the aforementioned corruption in Washington) he’s an outsider to a system that DOES NOT stand for or work for the working, middle-class of this country. 
    and hes become a millionaire from being there and writing books that wouldnt if he werent a sitting Senator. 
    Yes, he’s become a millionaire just a few years ago while in his mid-seventies. Somewhere between 2-2.5 million, 1.75 of which is from book sales, not from taking money of special interests. 
    Agribusiness$930,479
    Communications/Electronics$6,828,573
    Construction$1,410,372
    Defense$409,027
    Energy & Natural Resources$468,791
    Finance, Insurance & Real Estate$2,785,151
    Health$4,771,353
    Lawyers & Lobbyists$1,549,019
    Transportation$1,354,239

    stop lying
    I believe this is the total number of all the individual donations based on donor occupation. Does a worker that happens to work in defense and donate to Bernie because he supports the agenda somehow represent defense industry special interests.  Kind of distorting your facts with those numbers isn’t it?

    Does an employer that happens to work in defense and donate to Bernie because they support the agenda somehow represent defense industry special interests? 

    stated another way:
    I work in insurance.  So I give to the candidate that is going to protect the insurance industry.
    My employer is in the insurance industry.  So they give to the candidate that is going to protect their employees.  

    so what does 'special interest' really mean? 
    is it just another buzz word that Bernie uses to shift blame from his own failures?
    Or someone works in any given field and gives to Bernie because they care about the overall betterment of society, regardless of how it benefits the particular sector they work in.

    So when someone donates to Bernie, it's for the overall betterment of society.

    But when someone donates to Biden, it's representing special interests.

    Well that's a convenient of looking at things.
    You don't have to be for or against Sanders to see that he has been morally, ethically, and positionally consistent for decades in ways Biden hasn't. When looking at their histories, Sanders has been an ideologue first, and Biden a politician first. If they can converge and define a messaging strategy that unifies these two branches, maybe they can define this as a partnership.

    Edit: I also think if there were ever a time that the USA might change its relationship with M4A, it would be right now in the middle of a pandemic. I'm guessing that's not lost on Sanders.
    Which brings us right back to where we started.  Bernie needs to drop out and never should have ran in the first place.  He's a useless, ineffective politician.

    The inability to be flexible over the course of time is not an asset.  The inability to change your position as the world around you changes is not an asset.  The inability to cope with reality is not an asset.  

    If Bernie wants to be an ideologue, go teach at university somewhere. Quit wasting everyone's time with promises you can't keep.  

  • EarlWelshEarlWelsh Posts: 1,118
    CM189191 said:
    benjs said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    mickeyrat said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    mickeyrat said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    Did Bernie drop out yet? Bernie needs to drop out yesterday.
    Why?


    Because he's a useless ineffective politician


    That’s ridiculous. 
    Citation needed


    Why is he ineffective? I understand your angle, assuming that it is “he’s only passed 3 pieces of legislation in his career” but his effectiveness reaches far beyond that. His stubbornness, in my eyes, is to be commended. Is his “ineffectiveness” a product of itself or is it a product of a broken, corrupt system. Depends on how you view it and what you want out of government. More of the same? Or something that truly works for all people?. Being an outsider in Washington only strengthens why he’s needed inside the White House. We need change, desperately, and Biden just isn’t it. If Biden wins, which I really don’t think he can, expect something worse than Trump to follow.
    wait. you link an article whos title says in 29 years Sanders......

    then YOU claim he is an outsider to Washington?
    Ideologically, yes, and by his refusal to be bought by special interests (the aforementioned corruption in Washington) he’s an outsider to a system that DOES NOT stand for or work for the working, middle-class of this country. 
    and hes become a millionaire from being there and writing books that wouldnt if he werent a sitting Senator. 
    Yes, he’s become a millionaire just a few years ago while in his mid-seventies. Somewhere between 2-2.5 million, 1.75 of which is from book sales, not from taking money of special interests. 
    Agribusiness$930,479
    Communications/Electronics$6,828,573
    Construction$1,410,372
    Defense$409,027
    Energy & Natural Resources$468,791
    Finance, Insurance & Real Estate$2,785,151
    Health$4,771,353
    Lawyers & Lobbyists$1,549,019
    Transportation$1,354,239

    stop lying
    I believe this is the total number of all the individual donations based on donor occupation. Does a worker that happens to work in defense and donate to Bernie because he supports the agenda somehow represent defense industry special interests.  Kind of distorting your facts with those numbers isn’t it?

    Does an employer that happens to work in defense and donate to Bernie because they support the agenda somehow represent defense industry special interests? 

    stated another way:
    I work in insurance.  So I give to the candidate that is going to protect the insurance industry.
    My employer is in the insurance industry.  So they give to the candidate that is going to protect their employees.  

    so what does 'special interest' really mean? 
    is it just another buzz word that Bernie uses to shift blame from his own failures?
    Or someone works in any given field and gives to Bernie because they care about the overall betterment of society, regardless of how it benefits the particular sector they work in.

    So when someone donates to Bernie, it's for the overall betterment of society.

    But when someone donates to Biden, it's representing special interests.

    Well that's a convenient of looking at things.
    You don't have to be for or against Sanders to see that he has been morally, ethically, and positionally consistent for decades in ways Biden hasn't. When looking at their histories, Sanders has been an ideologue first, and Biden a politician first. If they can converge and define a messaging strategy that unifies these two branches, maybe they can define this as a partnership.

    Edit: I also think if there were ever a time that the USA might change its relationship with M4A, it would be right now in the middle of a pandemic. I'm guessing that's not lost on Sanders.
    Which brings us right back to where we started.  Bernie needs to drop out and never should have ran in the first place.  He's a useless, ineffective politician.

    The inability to be flexible over the course of time is not an asset.  The inability to change your position as the world around you changes is not an asset.  The inability to cope with reality is not an asset.  

    If Bernie wants to be an ideologue, go teach at university somewhere. Quit wasting everyone's time with promises you can't keep.  

    But his platform aligns perfectly with the changes that the world has made and needs to make. Don’t you see that? The old way does not work anymore. Biden represents the old way that got us Trump in the first place. 
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    benjs said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    mickeyrat said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    mickeyrat said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    Did Bernie drop out yet? Bernie needs to drop out yesterday.
    Why?


    Because he's a useless ineffective politician


    That’s ridiculous. 
    Citation needed


    Why is he ineffective? I understand your angle, assuming that it is “he’s only passed 3 pieces of legislation in his career” but his effectiveness reaches far beyond that. His stubbornness, in my eyes, is to be commended. Is his “ineffectiveness” a product of itself or is it a product of a broken, corrupt system. Depends on how you view it and what you want out of government. More of the same? Or something that truly works for all people?. Being an outsider in Washington only strengthens why he’s needed inside the White House. We need change, desperately, and Biden just isn’t it. If Biden wins, which I really don’t think he can, expect something worse than Trump to follow.
    wait. you link an article whos title says in 29 years Sanders......

    then YOU claim he is an outsider to Washington?
    Ideologically, yes, and by his refusal to be bought by special interests (the aforementioned corruption in Washington) he’s an outsider to a system that DOES NOT stand for or work for the working, middle-class of this country. 
    and hes become a millionaire from being there and writing books that wouldnt if he werent a sitting Senator. 
    Yes, he’s become a millionaire just a few years ago while in his mid-seventies. Somewhere between 2-2.5 million, 1.75 of which is from book sales, not from taking money of special interests. 
    Agribusiness$930,479
    Communications/Electronics$6,828,573
    Construction$1,410,372
    Defense$409,027
    Energy & Natural Resources$468,791
    Finance, Insurance & Real Estate$2,785,151
    Health$4,771,353
    Lawyers & Lobbyists$1,549,019
    Transportation$1,354,239

    stop lying
    I believe this is the total number of all the individual donations based on donor occupation. Does a worker that happens to work in defense and donate to Bernie because he supports the agenda somehow represent defense industry special interests.  Kind of distorting your facts with those numbers isn’t it?

    Does an employer that happens to work in defense and donate to Bernie because they support the agenda somehow represent defense industry special interests? 

    stated another way:
    I work in insurance.  So I give to the candidate that is going to protect the insurance industry.
    My employer is in the insurance industry.  So they give to the candidate that is going to protect their employees.  

    so what does 'special interest' really mean? 
    is it just another buzz word that Bernie uses to shift blame from his own failures?
    Or someone works in any given field and gives to Bernie because they care about the overall betterment of society, regardless of how it benefits the particular sector they work in.

    So when someone donates to Bernie, it's for the overall betterment of society.

    But when someone donates to Biden, it's representing special interests.

    Well that's a convenient of looking at things.
    You don't have to be for or against Sanders to see that he has been morally, ethically, and positionally consistent for decades in ways Biden hasn't. When looking at their histories, Sanders has been an ideologue first, and Biden a politician first. If they can converge and define a messaging strategy that unifies these two branches, maybe they can define this as a partnership.

    Edit: I also think if there were ever a time that the USA might change its relationship with M4A, it would be right now in the middle of a pandemic. I'm guessing that's not lost on Sanders.
    Which brings us right back to where we started.  Bernie needs to drop out and never should have ran in the first place.  He's a useless, ineffective politician.

    The inability to be flexible over the course of time is not an asset.  The inability to change your position as the world around you changes is not an asset.  The inability to cope with reality is not an asset.  

    If Bernie wants to be an ideologue, go teach at university somewhere. Quit wasting everyone's time with promises you can't keep.  

    But his platform aligns perfectly with the changes that the world has made and needs to make. Don’t you see that? The old way does not work anymore. Biden represents the old way that got us Trump in the first place. 

    clip clop
    Nice horseshoes


    Were you not paying attention during debates?

    Everytime Bernie brought up a litany of complaints, Biden responded with "yes I agree with you, furthermore here are the exact steps I've taken, and what I plan to do going forward"

    Meanwhile Bernie is doing his best veruca salt impression ' but I want it noooooow'

    Best thing Bernie can do to effectuate change right now with this instant is drop out of the race and back Biden. That's it. Full stop.
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    Don't let winning the argument become more important than achieving the goal.
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    benjs said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    mickeyrat said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    mickeyrat said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    Did Bernie drop out yet? Bernie needs to drop out yesterday.
    Why?


    Because he's a useless ineffective politician


    That’s ridiculous. 
    Citation needed


    Why is he ineffective? I understand your angle, assuming that it is “he’s only passed 3 pieces of legislation in his career” but his effectiveness reaches far beyond that. His stubbornness, in my eyes, is to be commended. Is his “ineffectiveness” a product of itself or is it a product of a broken, corrupt system. Depends on how you view it and what you want out of government. More of the same? Or something that truly works for all people?. Being an outsider in Washington only strengthens why he’s needed inside the White House. We need change, desperately, and Biden just isn’t it. If Biden wins, which I really don’t think he can, expect something worse than Trump to follow.
    wait. you link an article whos title says in 29 years Sanders......

    then YOU claim he is an outsider to Washington?
    Ideologically, yes, and by his refusal to be bought by special interests (the aforementioned corruption in Washington) he’s an outsider to a system that DOES NOT stand for or work for the working, middle-class of this country. 
    and hes become a millionaire from being there and writing books that wouldnt if he werent a sitting Senator. 
    Yes, he’s become a millionaire just a few years ago while in his mid-seventies. Somewhere between 2-2.5 million, 1.75 of which is from book sales, not from taking money of special interests. 
    Agribusiness$930,479
    Communications/Electronics$6,828,573
    Construction$1,410,372
    Defense$409,027
    Energy & Natural Resources$468,791
    Finance, Insurance & Real Estate$2,785,151
    Health$4,771,353
    Lawyers & Lobbyists$1,549,019
    Transportation$1,354,239

    stop lying
    I believe this is the total number of all the individual donations based on donor occupation. Does a worker that happens to work in defense and donate to Bernie because he supports the agenda somehow represent defense industry special interests.  Kind of distorting your facts with those numbers isn’t it?

    Does an employer that happens to work in defense and donate to Bernie because they support the agenda somehow represent defense industry special interests? 

    stated another way:
    I work in insurance.  So I give to the candidate that is going to protect the insurance industry.
    My employer is in the insurance industry.  So they give to the candidate that is going to protect their employees.  

    so what does 'special interest' really mean? 
    is it just another buzz word that Bernie uses to shift blame from his own failures?
    Or someone works in any given field and gives to Bernie because they care about the overall betterment of society, regardless of how it benefits the particular sector they work in.

    So when someone donates to Bernie, it's for the overall betterment of society.

    But when someone donates to Biden, it's representing special interests.

    Well that's a convenient of looking at things.
    You don't have to be for or against Sanders to see that he has been morally, ethically, and positionally consistent for decades in ways Biden hasn't. When looking at their histories, Sanders has been an ideologue first, and Biden a politician first. If they can converge and define a messaging strategy that unifies these two branches, maybe they can define this as a partnership.

    Edit: I also think if there were ever a time that the USA might change its relationship with M4A, it would be right now in the middle of a pandemic. I'm guessing that's not lost on Sanders.
    Which brings us right back to where we started.  Bernie needs to drop out and never should have ran in the first place.  He's a useless, ineffective politician.

    The inability to be flexible over the course of time is not an asset.  The inability to change your position as the world around you changes is not an asset.  The inability to cope with reality is not an asset.  

    If Bernie wants to be an ideologue, go teach at university somewhere. Quit wasting everyone's time with promises you can't keep.  

    But his platform aligns perfectly with the changes that the world has made and needs to make. Don’t you see that? The old way does not work anymore. Biden represents the old way that got us Trump in the first place. 

    clip clop
    Nice horseshoes


    Were you not paying attention during debates?

    Everytime Bernie brought up a litany of complaints, Biden responded with "yes I agree with you, furthermore here are the exact steps I've taken, and what I plan to do going forward"

    Meanwhile Bernie is doing his best veruca salt impression ' but I want it noooooow'

    Best thing Bernie can do to effectuate change right now with this instant is drop out of the race and back Biden. That's it. Full stop.


    Meanwhile Bernie is bragging about voting against anything that resembled progress, because it didn't go far enough. Completely counterproductive.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,580
    benjs said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    mickeyrat said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    mickeyrat said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    EarlWelsh said:
    CM189191 said:
    Did Bernie drop out yet? Bernie needs to drop out yesterday.
    Why?


    Because he's a useless ineffective politician


    That’s ridiculous. 
    Citation needed


    Why is he ineffective? I understand your angle, assuming that it is “he’s only passed 3 pieces of legislation in his career” but his effectiveness reaches far beyond that. His stubbornness, in my eyes, is to be commended. Is his “ineffectiveness” a product of itself or is it a product of a broken, corrupt system. Depends on how you view it and what you want out of government. More of the same? Or something that truly works for all people?. Being an outsider in Washington only strengthens why he’s needed inside the White House. We need change, desperately, and Biden just isn’t it. If Biden wins, which I really don’t think he can, expect something worse than Trump to follow.
    wait. you link an article whos title says in 29 years Sanders......

    then YOU claim he is an outsider to Washington?
    Ideologically, yes, and by his refusal to be bought by special interests (the aforementioned corruption in Washington) he’s an outsider to a system that DOES NOT stand for or work for the working, middle-class of this country. 
    and hes become a millionaire from being there and writing books that wouldnt if he werent a sitting Senator. 
    Yes, he’s become a millionaire just a few years ago while in his mid-seventies. Somewhere between 2-2.5 million, 1.75 of which is from book sales, not from taking money of special interests. 
    Agribusiness$930,479
    Communications/Electronics$6,828,573
    Construction$1,410,372
    Defense$409,027
    Energy & Natural Resources$468,791
    Finance, Insurance & Real Estate$2,785,151
    Health$4,771,353
    Lawyers & Lobbyists$1,549,019
    Transportation$1,354,239

    stop lying
    I believe this is the total number of all the individual donations based on donor occupation. Does a worker that happens to work in defense and donate to Bernie because he supports the agenda somehow represent defense industry special interests.  Kind of distorting your facts with those numbers isn’t it?

    Does an employer that happens to work in defense and donate to Bernie because they support the agenda somehow represent defense industry special interests? 

    stated another way:
    I work in insurance.  So I give to the candidate that is going to protect the insurance industry.
    My employer is in the insurance industry.  So they give to the candidate that is going to protect their employees.  

    so what does 'special interest' really mean? 
    is it just another buzz word that Bernie uses to shift blame from his own failures?
    Or someone works in any given field and gives to Bernie because they care about the overall betterment of society, regardless of how it benefits the particular sector they work in.

    So when someone donates to Bernie, it's for the overall betterment of society.

    But when someone donates to Biden, it's representing special interests.

    Well that's a convenient of looking at things.
    You don't have to be for or against Sanders to see that he has been morally, ethically, and positionally consistent for decades in ways Biden hasn't. When looking at their histories, Sanders has been an ideologue first, and Biden a politician first. If they can converge and define a messaging strategy that unifies these two branches, maybe they can define this as a partnership.

    Edit: I also think if there were ever a time that the USA might change its relationship with M4A, it would be right now in the middle of a pandemic. I'm guessing that's not lost on Sanders.

    and to capitalize on it makes him a politician........
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    I cannot reiterate this enough. Our system of government is designed around two major parties. The checks and balances lie in the three branches of government. 

    McConnell Has a Request for Veteran Federal Judges: Please Quit
    The Senate majority leader has encouraged judges thinking about stepping down to do so soon to ensure that Republicans confirm their replacements this year.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/us/politics/mcconnell-judges-republicans.html
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