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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,824
    No one likes Bernie 
    hippiemom = goodness
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Not one county in FL, just like Michigan.  He even lost counties he won in 16, when he lost at about the same clip.  There really is no argument for Bernie as the message isn't resonating.  I respect the guy, for what he is.  But it's time to consolidate the party and move towards November.  There's no argument for his candidacy.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,357
    Arizona called for Biden....
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,993
    mrussel1 said:
    Not one county in FL, just like Michigan.  He even lost counties he won in 16, when he lost at about the same clip.  There really is no argument for Bernie as the message isn't resonating.  I respect the guy, for what he is.  But it's time to consolidate the party and move towards November.  There's no argument for his candidacy.
    Yeah this was the end, but it was a good run going back to 2015. I enjoyed his “revolution” even if I didn’t agree with it all. Endorse Biden, get him to commit to some of your more reasonable policies, and campaign for him. 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,458
    Is the Bernie surge happening?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,357
    edited March 2020
    Is the Bernie surge happening?
    yes it is. he went from winning no counties in florida to barely winning just one in illinois to barely winning 2 in arizona..... bernie is on the move......
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,824
    Is the Bernie surge happening?
    So happy that people are rejecting Bernie.  Probably should be in the thread about what give us hope.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Is the Bernie surge happening?
    So happy that people are rejecting Bernie.  Probably should be in the thread about what give us hope.
    I get that not everyone likes Sanders, but your smug, self-congratulatory tone rings pretty empty during a global crisis that has exposed our glaring national weaknesses.
    We have essentially no public health support system or emergency plan, we have a weakened social safety net, and we have millions of uninsured and under insured just waiting for disaster to strike.  All of those are concerns ignored by your candidates and championed by the one you so disdain.
    On top of that, all the measures that are being taken and considered to alleviate the burden of this crisis fall under the dreaded "socialism" umbrella.
    I wonder, will you reject the check if the government sends it?  Or will you cash it an pretend it doesn't conflict with the belief system you've vocalized so strongly?
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Sad to see Bernie doing so poorly.
    Personally, I'm fine with anybody over Trump, but Bernie is the only candidate that is willing to fix the healthcare disaster we have in this country.

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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,357
    democracy in action  actual democratic voters rejecting the carpetbagger not a democrat looking to hijack their party......
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,993
    dignin said:
    This is where I'd normally say something like "This is tantamount to the Detroit Tigers assessing their World Series chances," but it's uncertain that any team will have a chance at the World Series this year. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    dignin said:
    "in the coming weeks"... I guess because the next primary is, at best, three weeks away.  So he has time to do some fundraising or something?  I don't know what he expects to change other than sickness befalling Joe.  If I were the Biden campaign I would not participate in the next debate and completely rotate my messaging to the general election.  Speak to Bernie's supporters, but ignore Bernie.  Biden has some serious organizational catch up to do against Trump.  No time to lose. 
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,559
    dignin said:
    Warren said the same thing the day before call it quits! 
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,069
    mickeyrat said:
    democracy in action  actual democratic voters rejecting the carpetbagger not a democrat looking to hijack their party......
    Biden primary popular votes 9.9 million
    Sanders primary popular votes 7.5 million
    thats hardly rejecting Sanders lol. Looks more like people are opting for the safe candidate. Either way I am voting against Trump. I think the actual numbers prove that Joe really needs to pick up a lot of Bernies policies that can be palatable to the rest of the play it safers.  To reject Sanders’ movement  and the 7+million voters as a fluke with no traction that America is “rejecting” is pretty dangerous if you really want to stop Trump. Biden is gonna need all the votes he can get not just the 9.9 million democratic primary votes.   You don’t beat Trump with only the support of Democratic Party loyalists.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,357
    static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    democracy in action  actual democratic voters rejecting the carpetbagger not a democrat looking to hijack their party......
    Biden primary popular votes 9.9 million
    Sanders primary popular votes 7.5 million
    thats hardly rejecting Sanders lol. Looks more like people are opting for the safe candidate. Either way I am voting against Trump. I think the actual numbers prove that Joe really needs to pick up a lot of Bernies policies that can be palatable to the rest of the play it safers.  To reject Sanders’ movement  and the 7+million voters as a fluke with no traction that America is “rejecting” is pretty dangerous if you really want to stop Trump. Biden is gonna need all the votes he can get not just the 9.9 million democratic primary votes.   You don’t beat Trump with only the support of Democratic Party loyalists.
    Bernie was helped by a wide field.

    popular vote is a convenientl talking point. look at the numbers by county.

    I would argue voters have rejectedhim personally not his proposals
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,993
    edited March 2020
    mickeyrat said:
    static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    democracy in action  actual democratic voters rejecting the carpetbagger not a democrat looking to hijack their party......
    Biden primary popular votes 9.9 million
    Sanders primary popular votes 7.5 million
    thats hardly rejecting Sanders lol. Looks more like people are opting for the safe candidate. Either way I am voting against Trump. I think the actual numbers prove that Joe really needs to pick up a lot of Bernies policies that can be palatable to the rest of the play it safers.  To reject Sanders’ movement  and the 7+million voters as a fluke with no traction that America is “rejecting” is pretty dangerous if you really want to stop Trump. Biden is gonna need all the votes he can get not just the 9.9 million democratic primary votes.   You don’t beat Trump with only the support of Democratic Party loyalists.
    Bernie was helped by a wide field.

    popular vote is a convenientl talking point. look at the numbers by county.

    I would argue voters have rejectedhim personally not his proposals
    I've actually gotten the opposite vibe: that people feel he's a good guy and genuinely interested in helping the poor and the marginalized, but that his proposals to do it are so outlandish (with little explanation as to how they'll be accomplished) that he'd never win a general election. 
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,069
    mickeyrat said:
    static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    democracy in action  actual democratic voters rejecting the carpetbagger not a democrat looking to hijack their party......
    Biden primary popular votes 9.9 million
    Sanders primary popular votes 7.5 million
    thats hardly rejecting Sanders lol. Looks more like people are opting for the safe candidate. Either way I am voting against Trump. I think the actual numbers prove that Joe really needs to pick up a lot of Bernies policies that can be palatable to the rest of the play it safers.  To reject Sanders’ movement  and the 7+million voters as a fluke with no traction that America is “rejecting” is pretty dangerous if you really want to stop Trump. Biden is gonna need all the votes he can get not just the 9.9 million democratic primary votes.   You don’t beat Trump with only the support of Democratic Party loyalists.
    Bernie was helped by a wide field.

    popular vote is a convenientl talking point. look at the numbers by county.

    I would argue voters have rejectedhim personally not his proposals
    I've actually gotten the opposite vibe: that people feel he's a good guy and genuinely interested in helping the poor and the marginalized, but that his proposals to do it are so outlandish (with little explanation as to how they'll be accomplished) that he'd never win a general election. 
    This is the overall vibe I get as well.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mickeyrat said:
    static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    democracy in action  actual democratic voters rejecting the carpetbagger not a democrat looking to hijack their party......
    Biden primary popular votes 9.9 million
    Sanders primary popular votes 7.5 million
    thats hardly rejecting Sanders lol. Looks more like people are opting for the safe candidate. Either way I am voting against Trump. I think the actual numbers prove that Joe really needs to pick up a lot of Bernies policies that can be palatable to the rest of the play it safers.  To reject Sanders’ movement  and the 7+million voters as a fluke with no traction that America is “rejecting” is pretty dangerous if you really want to stop Trump. Biden is gonna need all the votes he can get not just the 9.9 million democratic primary votes.   You don’t beat Trump with only the support of Democratic Party loyalists.
    Bernie was helped by a wide field.

    popular vote is a convenientl talking point. look at the numbers by county.

    I would argue voters have rejectedhim personally not his proposals
    I've actually gotten the opposite vibe: that people feel he's a good guy and genuinely interested in helping the poor and the marginalized, but that his proposals to do it are so outlandish (with little explanation as to how they'll be accomplished) that he'd never win a general election. 
    I think it's a bit of both:
    1. Bernie has not made inroads with the black community or women.  That's on him.
    2. White males have moved away from him, that tells you that 2016 was anti-Hillary for many
    3. His voters are passionate and hard core.  I think a lot of people are ambivalent about him, although respect his passion.  That's where I am.  But I don't like ALL of his policies either. 
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,357
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    democracy in action  actual democratic voters rejecting the carpetbagger not a democrat looking to hijack their party......
    Biden primary popular votes 9.9 million
    Sanders primary popular votes 7.5 million
    thats hardly rejecting Sanders lol. Looks more like people are opting for the safe candidate. Either way I am voting against Trump. I think the actual numbers prove that Joe really needs to pick up a lot of Bernies policies that can be palatable to the rest of the play it safers.  To reject Sanders’ movement  and the 7+million voters as a fluke with no traction that America is “rejecting” is pretty dangerous if you really want to stop Trump. Biden is gonna need all the votes he can get not just the 9.9 million democratic primary votes.   You don’t beat Trump with only the support of Democratic Party loyalists.
    Bernie was helped by a wide field.

    popular vote is a convenientl talking point. look at the numbers by county.

    I would argue voters have rejectedhim personally not his proposals
    I've actually gotten the opposite vibe: that people feel he's a good guy and genuinely interested in helping the poor and the marginalized, but that his proposals to do it are so outlandish (with little explanation as to how they'll be accomplished) that he'd never win a general election. 
    I think it's a bit of both:
    1. Bernie has not made inroads with the black community or women.  That's on him.
    2. White males have moved away from him, that tells you that 2016 was anti-Hillary for many
    3. His voters are passionate and hard core.  I think a lot of people are ambivalent about him, although respect his passion.  That's where I am.  But I don't like ALL of his policies either. 
    4. HE IS NOT A DEMOCRAT
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