More Important: Beating Trump or Stopping Bernie?
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http://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race/candidate?id=N00000528CM189191 said:
So who is funding Bernie's campaign then?EarlWelsh said:
Ideologically, yes, and by his refusal to be bought by special interests (the aforementioned corruption in Washington) he’s an outsider to a system that DOES NOT stand for or work for the working, middle-class of this country.mickeyrat said:EarlWelsh said:CM189191 said:Why is he ineffective? I understand your angle, assuming that it is “he’s only passed 3 pieces of legislation in his career” but his effectiveness reaches far beyond that. His stubbornness, in my eyes, is to be commended. Is his “ineffectiveness” a product of itself or is it a product of a broken, corrupt system. Depends on how you view it and what you want out of government. More of the same? Or something that truly works for all people?. Being an outsider in Washington only strengthens why he’s needed inside the White House. We need change, desperately, and Biden just isn’t it. If Biden wins, which I really don’t think he can, expect something worse than Trump to follow.wait. you link an article whos title says in 29 years Sanders......then YOU claim he is an outsider to Washington?
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and hes become a millionaire from being there and writing books that wouldnt if he werent a sitting Senator.EarlWelsh said:
Ideologically, yes, and by his refusal to be bought by special interests (the aforementioned corruption in Washington) he’s an outsider to a system that DOES NOT stand for or work for the working, middle-class of this country.mickeyrat said:EarlWelsh said:CM189191 said:Why is he ineffective? I understand your angle, assuming that it is “he’s only passed 3 pieces of legislation in his career” but his effectiveness reaches far beyond that. His stubbornness, in my eyes, is to be commended. Is his “ineffectiveness” a product of itself or is it a product of a broken, corrupt system. Depends on how you view it and what you want out of government. More of the same? Or something that truly works for all people?. Being an outsider in Washington only strengthens why he’s needed inside the White House. We need change, desperately, and Biden just isn’t it. If Biden wins, which I really don’t think he can, expect something worse than Trump to follow.wait. you link an article whos title says in 29 years Sanders......then YOU claim he is an outsider to Washington?
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Bernie's coming across like a real a****** during this debate. He's not answering any questions he's just asking them. He's asking asking asking theoretical hypothetical theoretical hypothetical question? He's got no answers no answers no answers.0
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Don't you find it strange, that none of them show up at the polls?EarlWelsh said:
http://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race/candidate?id=N00000528CM189191 said:
So who is funding Bernie's campaign then?EarlWelsh said:
Ideologically, yes, and by his refusal to be bought by special interests (the aforementioned corruption in Washington) he’s an outsider to a system that DOES NOT stand for or work for the working, middle-class of this country.mickeyrat said:EarlWelsh said:CM189191 said:Why is he ineffective? I understand your angle, assuming that it is “he’s only passed 3 pieces of legislation in his career” but his effectiveness reaches far beyond that. His stubbornness, in my eyes, is to be commended. Is his “ineffectiveness” a product of itself or is it a product of a broken, corrupt system. Depends on how you view it and what you want out of government. More of the same? Or something that truly works for all people?. Being an outsider in Washington only strengthens why he’s needed inside the White House. We need change, desperately, and Biden just isn’t it. If Biden wins, which I really don’t think he can, expect something worse than Trump to follow.wait. you link an article whos title says in 29 years Sanders......then YOU claim he is an outsider to Washington?0 -
Yes, he’s become a millionaire just a few years ago while in his mid-seventies. Somewhere between 2-2.5 million, 1.75 of which is from book sales, not from taking money of special interests.mickeyrat said:
and hes become a millionaire from being there and writing books that wouldnt if he werent a sitting Senator.EarlWelsh said:
Ideologically, yes, and by his refusal to be bought by special interests (the aforementioned corruption in Washington) he’s an outsider to a system that DOES NOT stand for or work for the working, middle-class of this country.mickeyrat said:EarlWelsh said:CM189191 said:Why is he ineffective? I understand your angle, assuming that it is “he’s only passed 3 pieces of legislation in his career” but his effectiveness reaches far beyond that. His stubbornness, in my eyes, is to be commended. Is his “ineffectiveness” a product of itself or is it a product of a broken, corrupt system. Depends on how you view it and what you want out of government. More of the same? Or something that truly works for all people?. Being an outsider in Washington only strengthens why he’s needed inside the White House. We need change, desperately, and Biden just isn’t it. If Biden wins, which I really don’t think he can, expect something worse than Trump to follow.wait. you link an article whos title says in 29 years Sanders......then YOU claim he is an outsider to Washington?0 -
Bernie's whole selling point is: "vote for me, I've gotten nothing accomplished and disagree with everything that ever happened"
Bernie's not a leader. He's a loser. He keeps talking about his record. He has no record. No accomplishments. All bluster, no action.0 -
EarlWelsh said:
Yes, he’s become a millionaire just a few years ago while in his mid-seventies. Somewhere between 2-2.5 million, 1.75 of which is from book sales, not from taking money of special interests.mickeyrat said:
and hes become a millionaire from being there and writing books that wouldnt if he werent a sitting Senator.EarlWelsh said:
Ideologically, yes, and by his refusal to be bought by special interests (the aforementioned corruption in Washington) he’s an outsider to a system that DOES NOT stand for or work for the working, middle-class of this country.mickeyrat said:EarlWelsh said:CM189191 said:Why is he ineffective? I understand your angle, assuming that it is “he’s only passed 3 pieces of legislation in his career” but his effectiveness reaches far beyond that. His stubbornness, in my eyes, is to be commended. Is his “ineffectiveness” a product of itself or is it a product of a broken, corrupt system. Depends on how you view it and what you want out of government. More of the same? Or something that truly works for all people?. Being an outsider in Washington only strengthens why he’s needed inside the White House. We need change, desperately, and Biden just isn’t it. If Biden wins, which I really don’t think he can, expect something worse than Trump to follow.wait. you link an article whos title says in 29 years Sanders......then YOU claim he is an outsider to Washington?Agribusiness $930,479 Communications/Electronics $6,828,573 Construction $1,410,372 Defense $409,027 Energy & Natural Resources $468,791 Finance, Insurance & Real Estate $2,785,151 Health $4,771,353 Lawyers & Lobbyists $1,549,019 Transportation $1,354,239
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Nothing accomplished? He’s shifted the overall platform of the Democratic primary further to the left, where it needs to be. There’s no reason to believe Biden won’t just return us to exactly where we were prior to Trump, which is how we ended up with that douchebag.CM189191 said:Bernie's whole selling point is: "vote for me, I've gotten nothing accomplished and disagree with everything that ever happened"
Bernie's not a leader. He's a loser. He keeps talking about his record. He has no record. No accomplishments. All bluster, no action.And just so you’re aware, you come across like a MAGAnut, with all that unfounded loser talk.0 -
That Bernie, pure as the driven snow. Corrupt too, it seems.CM189191 said:EarlWelsh said:
Yes, he’s become a millionaire just a few years ago while in his mid-seventies. Somewhere between 2-2.5 million, 1.75 of which is from book sales, not from taking money of special interests.mickeyrat said:
and hes become a millionaire from being there and writing books that wouldnt if he werent a sitting Senator.EarlWelsh said:
Ideologically, yes, and by his refusal to be bought by special interests (the aforementioned corruption in Washington) he’s an outsider to a system that DOES NOT stand for or work for the working, middle-class of this country.mickeyrat said:EarlWelsh said:CM189191 said:Why is he ineffective? I understand your angle, assuming that it is “he’s only passed 3 pieces of legislation in his career” but his effectiveness reaches far beyond that. His stubbornness, in my eyes, is to be commended. Is his “ineffectiveness” a product of itself or is it a product of a broken, corrupt system. Depends on how you view it and what you want out of government. More of the same? Or something that truly works for all people?. Being an outsider in Washington only strengthens why he’s needed inside the White House. We need change, desperately, and Biden just isn’t it. If Biden wins, which I really don’t think he can, expect something worse than Trump to follow.wait. you link an article whos title says in 29 years Sanders......then YOU claim he is an outsider to Washington?Agribusiness $930,479 Communications/Electronics $6,828,573 Construction $1,410,372 Defense $409,027 Energy & Natural Resources $468,791 Finance, Insurance & Real Estate $2,785,151 Health $4,771,353 Lawyers & Lobbyists $1,549,019 Transportation $1,354,239
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EarlWelsh said:
Nothing accomplished? He’s shifted the overall platform of the Democratic primary further to the left, where it needs to be. There’s no reason to believe Biden won’t just return us to exactly where we were prior to Trump, which is how we ended up with that douchebag.CM189191 said:Bernie's whole selling point is: "vote for me, I've gotten nothing accomplished and disagree with everything that ever happened"
Bernie's not a leader. He's a loser. He keeps talking about his record. He has no record. No accomplishments. All bluster, no action.And just so you’re aware, you come across like a MAGAnut, with all that unfounded loser talk.
Bernie shifted the platform so far to the left that Biden is the front runner, who will bring us right back to where we were before trump
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Bernie's debate tactic:
Here's what wrong with society : A, B, C
Now what are you going to do about it Joe?
Bernie has no answers, only questions
He's basically the Karen of politics, demanding to speak to the manager
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Bernie: Here are my complaints
Biden: Here's a list of specific items I have accomplished to address your complaints, and what I plan to do going forward.
Bernie: But you didn't do enoooouuuugh. Also, I voted against everything you just said.0 -
Bernie said he would release his medical records.EarlWelsh said:
Nothing accomplished? He’s shifted the overall platform of the Democratic primary further to the left, where it needs to be. There’s no reason to believe Biden won’t just return us to exactly where we were prior to Trump, which is how we ended up with that douchebag.CM189191 said:Bernie's whole selling point is: "vote for me, I've gotten nothing accomplished and disagree with everything that ever happened"
Bernie's not a leader. He's a loser. He keeps talking about his record. He has no record. No accomplishments. All bluster, no action.And just so you’re aware, you come across like a MAGAnut, with all that unfounded loser talk.
That turned out to be a lie.
Bernie said he would support the Democratic nominee.
Will that turn out to be a lie too?0 -
Beating Trump in the fall
I believe this is the total number of all the individual donations based on donor occupation. Does a worker that happens to work in defense and donate to Bernie because he supports the agenda somehow represent defense industry special interests. Kind of distorting your facts with those numbers isn’t it?CM189191 said:EarlWelsh said:
Yes, he’s become a millionaire just a few years ago while in his mid-seventies. Somewhere between 2-2.5 million, 1.75 of which is from book sales, not from taking money of special interests.mickeyrat said:
and hes become a millionaire from being there and writing books that wouldnt if he werent a sitting Senator.EarlWelsh said:
Ideologically, yes, and by his refusal to be bought by special interests (the aforementioned corruption in Washington) he’s an outsider to a system that DOES NOT stand for or work for the working, middle-class of this country.mickeyrat said:EarlWelsh said:CM189191 said:Why is he ineffective? I understand your angle, assuming that it is “he’s only passed 3 pieces of legislation in his career” but his effectiveness reaches far beyond that. His stubbornness, in my eyes, is to be commended. Is his “ineffectiveness” a product of itself or is it a product of a broken, corrupt system. Depends on how you view it and what you want out of government. More of the same? Or something that truly works for all people?. Being an outsider in Washington only strengthens why he’s needed inside the White House. We need change, desperately, and Biden just isn’t it. If Biden wins, which I really don’t think he can, expect something worse than Trump to follow.wait. you link an article whos title says in 29 years Sanders......then YOU claim he is an outsider to Washington?Agribusiness $930,479 Communications/Electronics $6,828,573 Construction $1,410,372 Defense $409,027 Energy & Natural Resources $468,791 Finance, Insurance & Real Estate $2,785,151 Health $4,771,353 Lawyers & Lobbyists $1,549,019 Transportation $1,354,239
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I think it's permission structures. It was theorized on Pod Save America, it's a technique used by the former Obama administration it varies from Sanders' usual debate approach, and it coincides with massive confidence around Biden: Sanders is trying to create a permission structure for his voters to feel comfortable with Biden before he drops out. If he doesn't handle it methodically, they won't swing when he leaves.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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I agree. Hello fellow pod listener.benjs said:I think it's permission structures. It was theorized on Pod Save America, it's a technique used by the former Obama administration it varies from Sanders' usual debate approach, and it coincides with massive confidence around Biden: Sanders is trying to create a permission structure for his voters to feel comfortable with Biden before he drops out. If he doesn't handle it methodically, they won't swing when he leaves.0 -
static111 said:
I believe this is the total number of all the individual donations based on donor occupation. Does a worker that happens to work in defense and donate to Bernie because he supports the agenda somehow represent defense industry special interests. Kind of distorting your facts with those numbers isn’t it?CM189191 said:EarlWelsh said:
Yes, he’s become a millionaire just a few years ago while in his mid-seventies. Somewhere between 2-2.5 million, 1.75 of which is from book sales, not from taking money of special interests.mickeyrat said:
and hes become a millionaire from being there and writing books that wouldnt if he werent a sitting Senator.EarlWelsh said:
Ideologically, yes, and by his refusal to be bought by special interests (the aforementioned corruption in Washington) he’s an outsider to a system that DOES NOT stand for or work for the working, middle-class of this country.mickeyrat said:EarlWelsh said:CM189191 said:Why is he ineffective? I understand your angle, assuming that it is “he’s only passed 3 pieces of legislation in his career” but his effectiveness reaches far beyond that. His stubbornness, in my eyes, is to be commended. Is his “ineffectiveness” a product of itself or is it a product of a broken, corrupt system. Depends on how you view it and what you want out of government. More of the same? Or something that truly works for all people?. Being an outsider in Washington only strengthens why he’s needed inside the White House. We need change, desperately, and Biden just isn’t it. If Biden wins, which I really don’t think he can, expect something worse than Trump to follow.wait. you link an article whos title says in 29 years Sanders......then YOU claim he is an outsider to Washington?Agribusiness $930,479 Communications/Electronics $6,828,573 Construction $1,410,372 Defense $409,027 Energy & Natural Resources $468,791 Finance, Insurance & Real Estate $2,785,151 Health $4,771,353 Lawyers & Lobbyists $1,549,019 Transportation $1,354,239
stop lying
Does an employer that happens to work in defense and donate to Bernie because they support the agenda somehow represent defense industry special interests?
stated another way:
I work in insurance. So I give to the candidate that is going to protect the insurance industry.
My employer is in the insurance industry. So they give to the candidate that is going to protect their employees.
so what does 'special interest' really mean?
is it just another buzz word that Bernie uses to shift blame from his own failures?0 -
Or someone works in any given field and gives to Bernie because they care about the overall betterment of society, regardless of how it benefits the particular sector they work in.CM189191 said:static111 said:
I believe this is the total number of all the individual donations based on donor occupation. Does a worker that happens to work in defense and donate to Bernie because he supports the agenda somehow represent defense industry special interests. Kind of distorting your facts with those numbers isn’t it?CM189191 said:EarlWelsh said:
Yes, he’s become a millionaire just a few years ago while in his mid-seventies. Somewhere between 2-2.5 million, 1.75 of which is from book sales, not from taking money of special interests.mickeyrat said:
and hes become a millionaire from being there and writing books that wouldnt if he werent a sitting Senator.EarlWelsh said:
Ideologically, yes, and by his refusal to be bought by special interests (the aforementioned corruption in Washington) he’s an outsider to a system that DOES NOT stand for or work for the working, middle-class of this country.mickeyrat said:EarlWelsh said:CM189191 said:Why is he ineffective? I understand your angle, assuming that it is “he’s only passed 3 pieces of legislation in his career” but his effectiveness reaches far beyond that. His stubbornness, in my eyes, is to be commended. Is his “ineffectiveness” a product of itself or is it a product of a broken, corrupt system. Depends on how you view it and what you want out of government. More of the same? Or something that truly works for all people?. Being an outsider in Washington only strengthens why he’s needed inside the White House. We need change, desperately, and Biden just isn’t it. If Biden wins, which I really don’t think he can, expect something worse than Trump to follow.wait. you link an article whos title says in 29 years Sanders......then YOU claim he is an outsider to Washington?Agribusiness $930,479 Communications/Electronics $6,828,573 Construction $1,410,372 Defense $409,027 Energy & Natural Resources $468,791 Finance, Insurance & Real Estate $2,785,151 Health $4,771,353 Lawyers & Lobbyists $1,549,019 Transportation $1,354,239
stop lying
Does an employer that happens to work in defense and donate to Bernie because they support the agenda somehow represent defense industry special interests?
stated another way:
I work in insurance. So I give to the candidate that is going to protect the insurance industry.
My employer is in the insurance industry. So they give to the candidate that is going to protect their employees.
so what does 'special interest' really mean?
is it just another buzz word that Bernie uses to shift blame from his own failures?0
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