The Democratic Presidential Debates

benjs · March 2020

mrussel1 said:

benjs said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Sanders wins California

And if we weren't all collectively fixated on Covid19, that might've helped him bounce back, but it seems to be a hugely unimportant topic when the two are put side-by-side.

No, it wouldn't have helped. He won the state last Tuesday effectively, and it was baked into the narrative already.

Gotcha. Didn't look at California's interim but that makes sense.

JimmyV · March 2020

When it comes to Democratic Party politics California is no South Carolina.

mrussel1 · March 2020

JimmyV said:

When it comes to Democratic Party politics California is no South Carolina.

If SC was on Super Tuesday or this past Tuesday, it would have mattered less. The timing is everything. By time CA was done on ST, Biden had basically romped including states where he should have been weak. The narrative was written. TX then affirmed it as well.

The other thing about CA that would have been analyzed is that 4 candidates that are now gone made up 34% of the vote. If it were a one on one match between Biden and Sanders, there's no reason to think Biden could not have won on his own.

HughFreakingDillon · March 2020

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

At the debate, it should start with Biden saying "And before we start, lousy moderator, I just want to present my running mate - Comrade Bernie Sanders" and then it would be they to having a civil discussion about how to fuck up Trump.

one old white man is enough. pick a woman. or if it's a man make it a person of color. time to make the government look like the electorate.

I say pick the right person who you think can really lead the country if need be. Their gender or race shouldn’t matter at all.

I agree with that statement partially. Would I suggest picking Sara Palin over Bernie? Absolutely not. She's a train wreck of epic proportions. I have faith that democrats wouldn't choose a "token" minority, they'd choose a very capable person to fill the position, while advocating for diversity.

HughFreakingDillon · March 2020

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

JimmyV said:

mrussel1 said:

JimmyV said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

CM189191 said:

static111 said:

CM189191 said:

static111 said:

CM189191 said:

static111 said:

CM189191 said:

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

https://twitter.com/oneminutecall/status/1237690798046695424

read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters.

Because shaming people works....🤷‍♂️

Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.

Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?

See? Shaming people does work.

That was pre shaming. Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument. Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November. At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.

Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.

Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.

This election is a referendum on Trump.
It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
It's referendum on Trump's corruption.

What an inspiring message

Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.

I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D

I'll say it a different way. The 50% of the country who dislike Trump and are generally members of the Democratic party were given a choice. Do we want to make this election about Trump or about democratic socialistic ideals. The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump. And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight. Respect the process.

I'm going to vote for Biden in the fall, but this is a bit of a spin on what happened. Biden won South Carolina and the party decided he was the choice. Pete and Amy getting out at the same time and endorsing him was smart politics, but it was also orchestrated. That happened before Super Tuesday, not after.

it is smart politics but did anyone make those Klob and Pete voters from migrating to Biden? It's abundantly clear that he was their 2nd or 3rd choice, not Sanders. It could have easily rocketed Sanders to victory had he been the #2 of those candidates' voters.

Sure, I'm fine with all that. But saying "The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump. And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight. Respect the process" is a bit of fact vs truth. The people were greatly helped along in making that call. Let's not pretend this was some organic thing that happened on its own. Had Biden racked up those Super Tuesday victories with Pete and Amy still in the race, that would be one thing. But that isn't what happened.

Hmm, maybe on choosing Biden could be a stretch if you make the argument that had Biden and Pete dropped, everyone would have coalesced around Amy, or some other democratic, and Biden was just the fortunate beneficiary. But I have been saying since the beginning that you had to add the moderates up to see where the party really stood. That Bernie was a beneficiary of the fractured situation, and that played out exactly as such. He has not gained any votes since the drop out happened. He hit his ceiling.

I agree with you on this point. I still think it is dangerous to discount Bernie and all of his supporters, that is a lot of votes. Some concessions definitely need to be made to bring the majority of berniebros over to Biden, I’m sure there are phone calls being made and meetings set up for this. Bernie’s last few public appearances seem to make the case that he is having his farewell tour and ready to support Biden. If no concessions are made I don’t think a majority of Bernie or busters will come over to Biden no matter how shamed they get, or how many times they get proved wrong.

I thought Joe did a good job of setting that stage in his speech Tuesday night. He understands that we can't alienate those voters.

I missed your original response about "shaming people". I'm not sure why you'd consider what i said shaming anyone?

mrussel1 · March 2020

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

JimmyV said:

mrussel1 said:

JimmyV said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

CM189191 said:

static111 said:

CM189191 said:

static111 said:

CM189191 said:

static111 said:

CM189191 said:

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

https://twitter.com/oneminutecall/status/1237690798046695424

read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters.

Because shaming people works....🤷‍♂️

Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.

Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?

See? Shaming people does work.

That was pre shaming. Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument. Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November. At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.

Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.

Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.

This election is a referendum on Trump.
It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
It's referendum on Trump's corruption.

What an inspiring message

Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.

I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D

I'll say it a different way. The 50% of the country who dislike Trump and are generally members of the Democratic party were given a choice. Do we want to make this election about Trump or about democratic socialistic ideals. The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump. And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight. Respect the process.

I'm going to vote for Biden in the fall, but this is a bit of a spin on what happened. Biden won South Carolina and the party decided he was the choice. Pete and Amy getting out at the same time and endorsing him was smart politics, but it was also orchestrated. That happened before Super Tuesday, not after.

it is smart politics but did anyone make those Klob and Pete voters from migrating to Biden? It's abundantly clear that he was their 2nd or 3rd choice, not Sanders. It could have easily rocketed Sanders to victory had he been the #2 of those candidates' voters.

Sure, I'm fine with all that. But saying "The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump. And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight. Respect the process" is a bit of fact vs truth. The people were greatly helped along in making that call. Let's not pretend this was some organic thing that happened on its own. Had Biden racked up those Super Tuesday victories with Pete and Amy still in the race, that would be one thing. But that isn't what happened.

Hmm, maybe on choosing Biden could be a stretch if you make the argument that had Biden and Pete dropped, everyone would have coalesced around Amy, or some other democratic, and Biden was just the fortunate beneficiary. But I have been saying since the beginning that you had to add the moderates up to see where the party really stood. That Bernie was a beneficiary of the fractured situation, and that played out exactly as such. He has not gained any votes since the drop out happened. He hit his ceiling.

I agree with you on this point. I still think it is dangerous to discount Bernie and all of his supporters, that is a lot of votes. Some concessions definitely need to be made to bring the majority of berniebros over to Biden, I’m sure there are phone calls being made and meetings set up for this. Bernie’s last few public appearances seem to make the case that he is having his farewell tour and ready to support Biden. If no concessions are made I don’t think a majority of Bernie or busters will come over to Biden no matter how shamed they get, or how many times they get proved wrong.

I thought Joe did a good job of setting that stage in his speech Tuesday night. He understands that we can't alienate those voters.

I missed your original response about "shaming people". I'm not sure why you'd consider what i said shaming anyone?

Me? I don't think I said that, did I?

CM189191 · March 2020

Ledbetterman10 said:

Sanders wins California

If I'm reading this right : https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/politics/bernie-sanders-wins-california/index.html

Sanders winning 184 delegates to Biden's 144, with 81 delegates left to be allocated

I'm not 100% on delegate counting. But it's not all or nothing? Biden still gets a pretty big bump of support here?

mrussel1 · March 2020

CM189191 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Sanders wins California

If I'm reading this right : https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/politics/bernie-sanders-wins-california/index.html

Sanders winning 184 delegates to Biden's 144, with 81 delegates left to be allocated

I'm not 100% on delegate counting. But it's not all or nothing? Biden still gets a pretty big bump of support here?

If you get 15% in a district, you're viable. And then delegates get awarded proportionately. That's why it's so damn hard for Sanders to catch up. He basically needs 53% in every state going forward. And every time he doesn't, that number goes up.

static111 · March 2020

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

JimmyV said:

mrussel1 said:

JimmyV said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

CM189191 said:

static111 said:

CM189191 said:

static111 said:

CM189191 said:

static111 said:

CM189191 said:

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

https://twitter.com/oneminutecall/status/1237690798046695424

read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters.

Because shaming people works....🤷‍♂️

Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.

Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?

See? Shaming people does work.

That was pre shaming. Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument. Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November. At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.

Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.

Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.

This election is a referendum on Trump.
It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
It's referendum on Trump's corruption.

What an inspiring message

Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.

I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D

I'll say it a different way. The 50% of the country who dislike Trump and are generally members of the Democratic party were given a choice. Do we want to make this election about Trump or about democratic socialistic ideals. The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump. And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight. Respect the process.

I'm going to vote for Biden in the fall, but this is a bit of a spin on what happened. Biden won South Carolina and the party decided he was the choice. Pete and Amy getting out at the same time and endorsing him was smart politics, but it was also orchestrated. That happened before Super Tuesday, not after.

it is smart politics but did anyone make those Klob and Pete voters from migrating to Biden? It's abundantly clear that he was their 2nd or 3rd choice, not Sanders. It could have easily rocketed Sanders to victory had he been the #2 of those candidates' voters.

Sure, I'm fine with all that. But saying "The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump. And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight. Respect the process" is a bit of fact vs truth. The people were greatly helped along in making that call. Let's not pretend this was some organic thing that happened on its own. Had Biden racked up those Super Tuesday victories with Pete and Amy still in the race, that would be one thing. But that isn't what happened.

Hmm, maybe on choosing Biden could be a stretch if you make the argument that had Biden and Pete dropped, everyone would have coalesced around Amy, or some other democratic, and Biden was just the fortunate beneficiary. But I have been saying since the beginning that you had to add the moderates up to see where the party really stood. That Bernie was a beneficiary of the fractured situation, and that played out exactly as such. He has not gained any votes since the drop out happened. He hit his ceiling.

I agree with you on this point. I still think it is dangerous to discount Bernie and all of his supporters, that is a lot of votes. Some concessions definitely need to be made to bring the majority of berniebros over to Biden, I’m sure there are phone calls being made and meetings set up for this. Bernie’s last few public appearances seem to make the case that he is having his farewell tour and ready to support Biden. If no concessions are made I don’t think a majority of Bernie or busters will come over to Biden no matter how shamed they get, or how many times they get proved wrong.

I thought Joe did a good job of setting that stage in his speech Tuesday night. He understands that we can't alienate those voters.

I missed your original response about "shaming people". I'm not sure why you'd consider what i said shaming anyone?

It was referring to another poster and I believe the twitter thread that was shared perhaps by you?

CM189191 · March 2020

Biden should pull a power move and just not show up to the debate. He's got nothing to gain by showing up.

Let Sanders have the entire time, scream at the TV cameras, continue to dig his own grave.

Biden already has the nomination in hand. and he would beat Trump at his own game, if Trump was thinking about skipping the debates. Trump would rattle off some tweet about how Biden was too scared to debate, forcing Trump to show.

mrussel1 · March 2020

CM189191 said:

Biden should pull a power move and just not show up to the debate. He's got nothing to gain by showing up.

Let Sanders have the entire time, scream at the TV cameras, continue to dig his own grave.

Biden already has the nomination in hand. and he would beat Trump at his own game, if Trump was thinking about skipping the debates. Trump would rattle off some tweet about how Biden was too scared to debate, forcing Trump to show.

That's just not the way Biden operates, and you know this. He would never do that. Allegedly Sanders never wanted to go hard after Biden because he really like him personally. I don't know that it's true or not, but that's the story that his people were dropping in the media.

mrussel1 · March 2020

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

JimmyV said:

mrussel1 said:

JimmyV said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

CM189191 said:

static111 said:

CM189191 said:

static111 said:

CM189191 said:

static111 said:

CM189191 said:

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

https://twitter.com/oneminutecall/status/1237690798046695424

read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters.

Because shaming people works....🤷‍♂️

Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.

Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?

See? Shaming people does work.

That was pre shaming. Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument. Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November. At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.

Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.

Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.

This election is a referendum on Trump.
It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
It's referendum on Trump's corruption.

What an inspiring message

Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.

I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D

I'll say it a different way. The 50% of the country who dislike Trump and are generally members of the Democratic party were given a choice. Do we want to make this election about Trump or about democratic socialistic ideals. The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump. And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight. Respect the process.

I'm going to vote for Biden in the fall, but this is a bit of a spin on what happened. Biden won South Carolina and the party decided he was the choice. Pete and Amy getting out at the same time and endorsing him was smart politics, but it was also orchestrated. That happened before Super Tuesday, not after.

it is smart politics but did anyone make those Klob and Pete voters from migrating to Biden? It's abundantly clear that he was their 2nd or 3rd choice, not Sanders. It could have easily rocketed Sanders to victory had he been the #2 of those candidates' voters.

Sure, I'm fine with all that. But saying "The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump. And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight. Respect the process" is a bit of fact vs truth. The people were greatly helped along in making that call. Let's not pretend this was some organic thing that happened on its own. Had Biden racked up those Super Tuesday victories with Pete and Amy still in the race, that would be one thing. But that isn't what happened.

Hmm, maybe on choosing Biden could be a stretch if you make the argument that had Biden and Pete dropped, everyone would have coalesced around Amy, or some other democratic, and Biden was just the fortunate beneficiary. But I have been saying since the beginning that you had to add the moderates up to see where the party really stood. That Bernie was a beneficiary of the fractured situation, and that played out exactly as such. He has not gained any votes since the drop out happened. He hit his ceiling.

I agree with you on this point. I still think it is dangerous to discount Bernie and all of his supporters, that is a lot of votes. Some concessions definitely need to be made to bring the majority of berniebros over to Biden, I’m sure there are phone calls being made and meetings set up for this. Bernie’s last few public appearances seem to make the case that he is having his farewell tour and ready to support Biden. If no concessions are made I don’t think a majority of Bernie or busters will come over to Biden no matter how shamed they get, or how many times they get proved wrong.

I thought Joe did a good job of setting that stage in his speech Tuesday night. He understands that we can't alienate those voters.

I missed your original response about "shaming people". I'm not sure why you'd consider what i said shaming anyone?

It was referring to another poster and I believe the twitter thread that was shared perhaps by you?

I don't think I nkow how to share a twitter post.

static111 · March 2020

CM189191 said:

Biden should pull a power move and just not show up to the debate. He's got nothing to gain by showing up.

Let Sanders have the entire time, scream at the TV cameras, continue to dig his own grave.

Biden already has the nomination in hand. and he would beat Trump at his own game, if Trump was thinking about skipping the debates. Trump would rattle off some tweet about how Biden was too scared to debate, forcing Trump to show.

Serious question. Do you think that he can beat Trump without the support of the Bernie Bloc? I think a move like that might alienate a lot of potential supporters. My opinion has always been that winning the Dem nom is one thing and beating Trump is another. As a Bernie supporter that will gladly support Biden in opposition to Trump, I don’t think a large part of the Bernie base would show up for Biden after a serious diss. Even if Joe has the support without these voters it would still be a risky move.

Halifax2TheMax · March 2020

mrussel1 said:

CM189191 said:

Biden should pull a power move and just not show up to the debate. He's got nothing to gain by showing up.

Let Sanders have the entire time, scream at the TV cameras, continue to dig his own grave.

Biden already has the nomination in hand. and he would beat Trump at his own game, if Trump was thinking about skipping the debates. Trump would rattle off some tweet about how Biden was too scared to debate, forcing Trump to show.

That's just not the way Biden operates, and you know this. He would never do that. Allegedly Sanders never wanted to go hard after Biden because he really like him personally. I don't know that it's true or not, but that's the story that his people were dropping in the media.

I think a debate with Bernie would be helpful. Highlight the differences on how to get there and how far you can go. I still think the berniebrosises will sit out because "The Establishment." And they think of themselves and Bernie as being ideologically pure.

static111 · March 2020

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

JimmyV said:

mrussel1 said:

JimmyV said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

CM189191 said:

static111 said:

CM189191 said:

static111 said:

CM189191 said:

static111 said:

CM189191 said:

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

https://twitter.com/oneminutecall/status/1237690798046695424

read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters.

Because shaming people works....🤷‍♂️

Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.

Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?

See? Shaming people does work.

That was pre shaming. Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument. Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November. At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.

Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.

Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.

This election is a referendum on Trump.
It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
It's referendum on Trump's corruption.

What an inspiring message

Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.

I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D

I'll say it a different way. The 50% of the country who dislike Trump and are generally members of the Democratic party were given a choice. Do we want to make this election about Trump or about democratic socialistic ideals. The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump. And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight. Respect the process.

I'm going to vote for Biden in the fall, but this is a bit of a spin on what happened. Biden won South Carolina and the party decided he was the choice. Pete and Amy getting out at the same time and endorsing him was smart politics, but it was also orchestrated. That happened before Super Tuesday, not after.

it is smart politics but did anyone make those Klob and Pete voters from migrating to Biden? It's abundantly clear that he was their 2nd or 3rd choice, not Sanders. It could have easily rocketed Sanders to victory had he been the #2 of those candidates' voters.

Sure, I'm fine with all that. But saying "The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump. And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight. Respect the process" is a bit of fact vs truth. The people were greatly helped along in making that call. Let's not pretend this was some organic thing that happened on its own. Had Biden racked up those Super Tuesday victories with Pete and Amy still in the race, that would be one thing. But that isn't what happened.

Hmm, maybe on choosing Biden could be a stretch if you make the argument that had Biden and Pete dropped, everyone would have coalesced around Amy, or some other democratic, and Biden was just the fortunate beneficiary. But I have been saying since the beginning that you had to add the moderates up to see where the party really stood. That Bernie was a beneficiary of the fractured situation, and that played out exactly as such. He has not gained any votes since the drop out happened. He hit his ceiling.

I agree with you on this point. I still think it is dangerous to discount Bernie and all of his supporters, that is a lot of votes. Some concessions definitely need to be made to bring the majority of berniebros over to Biden, I’m sure there are phone calls being made and meetings set up for this. Bernie’s last few public appearances seem to make the case that he is having his farewell tour and ready to support Biden. If no concessions are made I don’t think a majority of Bernie or busters will come over to Biden no matter how shamed they get, or how many times they get proved wrong.

I thought Joe did a good job of setting that stage in his speech Tuesday night. He understands that we can't alienate those voters.

I missed your original response about "shaming people". I'm not sure why you'd consider what i said shaming anyone?

It was referring to another poster and I believe the twitter thread that was shared perhaps by you?

I don't think I nkow how to share a twitter post.

Twitter post shared by Hugh. You had some reasoned debate another poster Has decided that questioning Joe and the DNC is grounds for shaming and acting like a jerk. I will admit I participated in the back and forth so it’s partially on me

CM189191 · March 2020

static111 said:

CM189191 said:

Biden should pull a power move and just not show up to the debate. He's got nothing to gain by showing up.

Let Sanders have the entire time, scream at the TV cameras, continue to dig his own grave.

Biden already has the nomination in hand. and he would beat Trump at his own game, if Trump was thinking about skipping the debates. Trump would rattle off some tweet about how Biden was too scared to debate, forcing Trump to show.

Serious question. Do you think that he can beat Trump without the support of the Bernie Bloc? I think a move like that might alienate a lot of potential supporters. My opinion has always been that winning the Dem nom is one thing and beating Trump is another. As a Bernie supporter that will gladly support Biden in opposition to Trump, I don’t think a large part of the Bernie base would show up for Biden after a serious diss. Even if Joe has the support without these voters it would still be a risky move.

Yes.
This election is referendum on Trump. Not on Biden, not on Bernie, not on either of their policies.

The only decision that voters have to make, is whether they want to vote for Trump, or vote for the person that isn't Trump.

Voting third party, or not voting at all, is the same as a vote for Trump. There are now two options in this race: Trump, or Biden.

pjl44 · March 2020

bootlegger10 · March 2020

It may have been said earlier, but I would try to stay in the race as long as possible if my opponents were in their upper 70's. Morbid, but even if no clear path to the nomination the coronavirus is out there. Not wishing ill will on anyone but you never know.

mickeyrat · March 2020

pjl44 said:

curious when this was first said......

static111 · March 2020

https://youreadygrandma.com/2020/03/08/joe-biden-calls-his-offended-base-whiny-mooncalves-for-complaining-about-sanders-supporters/

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