The Democratic Presidential Debates
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Except they've ignored all of the gaffes from Trump for the last 5-6 years. All of the incoherence. We've had quotes of his that were just word salads. So sure, Joe isn't as sharp as he once was. But he's sharp as a razor compared to the dotard Trump. I'll take a few gaffes along with an increase in sanity, intelligence, coherence, respect, and compassion any day.Ledbetterman10 said:I don’t think it’s just a party line. That man is losing it. He really is. It’s sad watching him try to talk sometimes. A day or two ago he said he wants to bring us back to the “Obiden/Bama” years. And we all misspeak like that from time to time. But it’s everyday (every few hours really) with Joe. I think it’s perfectly reasonable for the GOP or Fox News to harp on this."I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080 -
....you do know that Biden has a speech impediment, right?Ledbetterman10 said:I don’t think it’s just a party line. That man is losing it. He really is. It’s sad watching him try to talk sometimes. A day or two ago he said he wants to bring us back to the “Obiden/Bama” years. And we all misspeak like that from time to time. But it’s everyday (every few hours really) with Joe. I think it’s perfectly reasonable for the GOP or Fox News to harp on this.0 -
Losing it how? Like asking why we can’t nuke a hurricane? Or drawing his own map of a hurricane’s path and presenting it as fact? Or losing it like tossing paper towels to hurricane survivors? Or losing it by stating that Putin on the ritz told him Russia didn’t interfere in our elections so it must be true? Or losing it by watching a couple of prostitutes peeing on a bed?Ledbetterman10 said:I don’t think it’s just a party line. That man is losing it. He really is. It’s sad watching him try to talk sometimes. A day or two ago he said he wants to bring us back to the “Obiden/Bama” years. And we all misspeak like that from time to time. But it’s everyday (every few hours really) with Joe. I think it’s perfectly reasonable for the GOP or Fox News to harp on this.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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And he has gaffed from his first campaign. This is nothing new for him.CM189191 said:....you do know that Biden has a speech impediment, right?0 -
Where are Trump's medical records? Remember his unscheduled hospital visit? Where are the records from that visit? Or his annual?mrussel1 said:And he has gaffed from his first campaign. This is nothing new for him.
Where are Biden's medical records? Oh right....
https://go.joebiden.com/page/-/CiU2iAa4Ig_ j5EQzueoad.pdf
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I think he’s probably just on the “nuke a hurricane” level at this point.Halifax2TheMax said:Losing it how? Like asking why we can’t nuke a hurricane? Or drawing his own map of a hurricane’s path and presenting it as fact? Or losing it like tossing paper towels to hurricane survivors? Or losing it by stating that Putin on the ritz told him Russia didn’t interfere in our elections so it must be true? Or losing it by watching a couple of prostitutes peeing on a bed?0 -
Hahahaha, GREAT argument for Biden, dude. He hasn't lost it as much as Donald Trump. Talk about a low bar.Halifax2TheMax said:Losing it how? Like asking why we can’t nuke a hurricane? Or drawing his own map of a hurricane’s path and presenting it as fact? Or losing it like tossing paper towels to hurricane survivors? Or losing it by stating that Putin on the ritz told him Russia didn’t interfere in our elections so it must be true? Or losing it by watching a couple of prostitutes peeing on a bed?
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You said he “was losing it.” I’m asking you to define “losing it.” There’s a scale of what apparently is acceptable to you and others around here so I want to know what is it specifically that Sleepy “Woke” Joe has said or done that illustrates for you that “he’s losing it.” He referred to an AR15 as an AR14? Oh my god lock him up but let’s give that nuking a hurricane a try? Never been done before and you don’t know until you try.Ledbetterman10 said:Hahahaha, GREAT argument for Biden, dude. He hasn't lost it as much as Donald Trump. Talk about a low bar.
Comparing Biden to Team Trump Treason is a great argument for Biden to anyone living in reality. Talk about how far some have fallen.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Come on, man. Get Trump off your mind for the first time in years, and just judge Joe on his own. He can't even remember Obama's name! Watch....Halifax2TheMax said:You said he “was losing it.” I’m asking you to define “losing it.” There’s a scale of what apparently is acceptable to you and others around here so I want to know what is it specifically that Sleepy “Woke” Joe has said or done that illustrates for you that “he’s losing it.” He referred to an AR15 as an AR14? Oh my god lock him up but let’s give that nuking a hurricane a try? Never been done before and you don’t know until you try.
Comparing Biden to Team Trump Treason is a great argument for Biden to anyone living in reality. Talk about how far some have fallen.
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BSAB?Ledbetterman10 said:Hahahaha, GREAT argument for Biden, dude. He hasn't lost it as much as Donald Trump. Talk about a low bar.
How do you like your horseshoes? Do they fit?
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Have you seen him in 2012 and now?CM189191 said:....you do know that Biden has a speech impediment, right?
Do you think the difference is his speech impediment?
He is 77 years old."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
I think you've said this at least three times just today to various people. Don't even know what it means. Is it one of those old-timey sayings like Biden's "dog-faced pony soldier" or something?CM189191 said:
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Ummmmm, who’s the repub nominee likely to be in 2020? Given the choice I think it’s going to be, Sleepy “Woke” Joe is the better choice. Nor has he “lost it” like you’d like to claim but even if he does or did “lose it,” he’d be the better choice.Ledbetterman10 said:Come on, man. Get Trump off your mind for the first time in years, and just judge Joe on his own. He can't even remember Obama's name! Watch....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRtWGRgR5Aw09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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I think the difference is is he's running for president now and threatened by the Trump campaign so they're pulling out every hit job they can against him That's what the difference is.Spiritual_Chaos said:Have you seen him in 2012 and now?
Do you think the difference is his speech impediment?
He is 77 years old.
Where are Trump's medical records? Let's see them.
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A straw man (or strawman) is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".CM189191 said:I think the difference is is he's running for president now and threatened by the Trump campaign so they're pulling out every hit job they can against him That's what the difference is.
Where are Trump's medical records? Let's see them.
And the tax returns?
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Biden's medical records are out there. From late last year. You can go look at them. That's directly refuting your argument. Biden was seen by a medical professional and deemed in excellent health.Spiritual_Chaos said:A straw man (or strawman) is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".0 -
Oh hey, I’m still waiting for the link to the article about Sleepy “Woke” Joe “forcing” his Secret Service agents to watch him swim naked. You know work computer and all.
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So you refuse to just judge Joe on his own as I asked. Typical. In a vaccum, independent of Trump and everything else, just look at the guy. It's sad to watch. ("SADDER THAN TEAM TRUMP TREASON WATCHING PUTIN ON THE RITZ PEE ON A HOOKER!?!?!") No, independent of Trump, just judging Joe being Joe, it's sad to watch.Halifax2TheMax said:Ummmmm, who’s the repub nominee likely to be in 2020? Given the choice I think it’s going to be, Sleepy “Woke” Joe is the better choice. Nor has he “lost it” like you’d like to claim but even if he does or did “lose it,” he’d be the better choice.
I mean, like you, I'll vote for him for president over Trump. Hey, if nothing else, he'll be another president that makes George W. Bush look not-so-dumb by comparison.
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Unfortunately you can only lead a horse to water, you can't make them drinkLedbetterman10 said:I think you've said this at least three times just today to various people. Don't even know what it means. Is it one of those old-timey sayings like Biden's "dog-faced pony soldier" or something?
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