CoVid19 Virus : Impact on PJ Spring & Summer Tours

PJ N DC said:

JimmyV said:

PJ N DC said:

JimmyV said:

PJ N DC said:

JimmyV said:

PJ N DC said:

JimmyV said:

PJ N DC said:

JimmyV said:

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NewfieintheUSA said:

PJ N DC said:

ComeToTX said:

PJ N DC said:

gotthebottle said:

sj9966 said:

The 2009 Swine Flu pandemic peaked at 110000 cases here in the UK in July of that year and then peaked again at 80,000 cases in October. Nothing was cancelled, sporting events, festivals or anything of the like. Life went on without the mass hysteria that is surrounding this current virus.

the MAIN difference in this country is different administrations in charge.....current admin has NO clue about how to manage this and the Obama admin had a cohesive plan.

What needs to be done to "manage this" and what "cohesive plan" should be put into place? Very easy to point fingers.

We knew this was coming for 2 months.  They should have started mass producing tests in January.  There is no excuse for where we are with tests today.

The tests are only effective for the people that take them.  83% infected with the virus don't even seek medical attention.  What good is a test for the majority of folks that will treat this as a respiratory illness and not even consider being tested? 

If they aren't tested, how do we have know they had it? This doesn't make sense.

You can have all types of illnesses that go untested.  You do not have to go to a doctor to make an illness official.  What I was trying to state was that people will treat this as an illness on their own (not knowing it is corona and hence will not be tested).

And what we are saying is that if we don't know how many people are infected we cannot determine how many 83% even is, nevermind what they may or may not do. 

These are all fluid numbers and many are estimates as there is a large population that may be affected and never be reported.  Bottom line is there is no reason to stop living or cancelling events.  If you think postponements and cancellations should occur, then why have they not happened for a bigger epidemic (FLU)?  

Source CDC:
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S.

I think tossing out random stats that cannot be verified is reckless. That's my point. We have no idea how many people 83% is, will be, where they are, who they are, etc. Pretending otherwise serves no purpose other than to misinform. 

Not a random stat.......why aren't all public activities being postponed due to the Flu?  Why isn't the media covering the Flu? Where is the thread on the board because of the Flu?

Source CDC:
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S.

You are trying to deflect. How many is 83% Who and where are they? Check back with your source and let us know. 

Not trying to deflect at all.  Please explain to me why you are not more concerned with a virus that has 15 million reported cases and 8,200 reported deaths in the US??? Where the CV has 580 reported cases and 22 reported deaths in the US.  The numbers don't lie and the media is at fault. 

You are arguing a point that I didn't make while refusing to address the question I have asked you repeatedly. How many people is 83%?

Here is your answer...83% of the 105,860 reported globally is 87,863. These 87,863 did not require any medical attention after diagnosis.  This was the factual numbers the doctor used in his report. Now that I answered your question are you going to start a Flu thread asking for isolation, nationwide testing, cancellations, etc.??

We aren't talking about the Flu. We are talking about Corona. How many people is 83% of the infected population? 

I am not sure if you are unable to comprehend or if there is a reading issue. The numbers I provided are CV19 numbers NOT Flu numbers. The answer to your question was; 87,863 confirmed CV19 cases worldwide did not require medical attention.   

GR280729 said:

....and people can transmit it when they are asymptomatic...

Not confirmed at all.

“Both COVID-19 and influenza cause respiratory disease and spread the same way, via small droplets of fluid from the nose and mouth of someone who is sick,” he said. “However… COVID-19 does not transmit as efficiently as influenza, from the data we have so far. With influenza, people who are infected but not yet sick are major drivers of transmission, which does not appear to be the case for COVID-19.”

While media reports have widely circulated fears that asymptomatic people are silently spreading COVID-19 around communities and countries, there is little data to back that up. In fact, asymptomatic cases appear rare and potentially misclassified.

Dr. Tedros noted that only 1 percent of cases in China are reported as “asymptomatic.” And of that 1 percent, 75 percent do go on to develop symptoms.

For COVID-19, the data indicates that people coughing and sneezing are the biggest drivers of the spread of SARS-CoV-2. Moreover, the thrust of the epidemic in China has been from the spread of the virus through households and close contacts, not unconnected community members."

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/03/dont-panic-the-comprehensive-ars-technica-guide-to-the-coronavirus/ 

scotterbs said:

Joostone said:

Cause the flu doesn't kill 3-4% of the infected (the flu kills about 0.1% of the infected)

PJ N DC, take note^^^. I'll let you do the math, so get your calculator out and plug in what 4% of 29,000,000 infected with flu would be. We'll wait patiently. 

source note for 29M estimated infected in 2019-2020 w/ influenza: https://www.mdmag.com/medical-news/flu-cases-near-30-million-in-the-us-cdc-reports

myoung321 said:

mace1229 said:

myoung321 said:

mace1229 said:

Joostone said:

Cause the flu doesnt kill 3-4% of the infected (the flu kills about 0.1% of the infected)

I don't get why that matters. The flu will infect more and will kill more than the corona virus. It seems to cast a bigger net, even if only 0.1% die from it, you still have a bigger chance of getting sick from the flu and dying from the flu. If I come down with a new rare disease and am the only known case, and I die from it, should that start a world panic because it has 100% fatality rate? Of course not. From all the data we have so far, corona may kill 3%, but it is going infect far less and in the end kill far less people.

You don't get why? Your own math in that post says way... 3%  If only 1 of 3 of Americans get the virus then that equals 3 million deaths at 3% 

No it doesn't.
There is zero indication that the number infected will even come close to 20 million, or that the number died will be close to 20,000.. SO we're talking about corona killing 3% of several thousands infected, or the flu killing 0.1% of 20 million infected. I still consider the flu to be a bigger concern this year.
Maybe in future seasons corona will spread more, but as far as this year, the flu is the bigger risk.

Based on what? We don't know either way...That's the point! This virus is still mutating. It could go away or it could get worse. We simply have no historical reference with this virus..   Read up on the 1918-19 pandemic and how the numbers looked at different points during the pandemic.  Damn near identical at this point.. 

PJ N DC said:

scotterbs said:

Joostone said:

Cause the flu doesn't kill 3-4% of the infected (the flu kills about 0.1% of the infected)

PJ N DC, take note^^^. I'll let you do the math, so get your calculator out and plug in what 4% of 29,000,000 infected with flu would be. We'll wait patiently. 

source note for 29M estimated infected in 2019-2020 w/ influenza: https://www.mdmag.com/medical-news/flu-cases-near-30-million-in-the-us-cdc-reports

This is all based on an assumption it gets to 29 Million.  My calculator does not calculate assumptions. CV is currently at 110k...hit me back when it hits 1 Million.  Until then keep spreading the fear. 

JimmyV said:

PJ N DC said:

JimmyV said:

PJ N DC said:

JimmyV said:

PJ N DC said:

JimmyV said:

PJ N DC said:

JimmyV said:

PJ N DC said:

JimmyV said:

PJ N DC said:

NewfieintheUSA said:

PJ N DC said:

ComeToTX said:

PJ N DC said:

gotthebottle said:

sj9966 said:

The 2009 Swine Flu pandemic peaked at 110000 cases here in the UK in July of that year and then peaked again at 80,000 cases in October. Nothing was cancelled, sporting events, festivals or anything of the like. Life went on without the mass hysteria that is surrounding this current virus.

the MAIN difference in this country is different administrations in charge.....current admin has NO clue about how to manage this and the Obama admin had a cohesive plan.

What needs to be done to "manage this" and what "cohesive plan" should be put into place? Very easy to point fingers.

We knew this was coming for 2 months.  They should have started mass producing tests in January.  There is no excuse for where we are with tests today.

The tests are only effective for the people that take them.  83% infected with the virus don't even seek medical attention.  What good is a test for the majority of folks that will treat this as a respiratory illness and not even consider being tested? 

If they aren't tested, how do we have know they had it? This doesn't make sense.

You can have all types of illnesses that go untested.  You do not have to go to a doctor to make an illness official.  What I was trying to state was that people will treat this as an illness on their own (not knowing it is corona and hence will not be tested).

And what we are saying is that if we don't know how many people are infected we cannot determine how many 83% even is, nevermind what they may or may not do. 

These are all fluid numbers and many are estimates as there is a large population that may be affected and never be reported.  Bottom line is there is no reason to stop living or cancelling events.  If you think postponements and cancellations should occur, then why have they not happened for a bigger epidemic (FLU)?  

Source CDC:
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S.

I think tossing out random stats that cannot be verified is reckless. That's my point. We have no idea how many people 83% is, will be, where they are, who they are, etc. Pretending otherwise serves no purpose other than to misinform. 

Not a random stat.......why aren't all public activities being postponed due to the Flu?  Why isn't the media covering the Flu? Where is the thread on the board because of the Flu?

Source CDC:
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S.

You are trying to deflect. How many is 83% Who and where are they? Check back with your source and let us know. 

Not trying to deflect at all.  Please explain to me why you are not more concerned with a virus that has 15 million reported cases and 8,200 reported deaths in the US??? Where the CV has 580 reported cases and 22 reported deaths in the US.  The numbers don't lie and the media is at fault. 

You are arguing a point that I didn't make while refusing to address the question I have asked you repeatedly. How many people is 83%?

Here is your answer...83% of the 105,860 reported globally is 87,863. These 87,863 did not require any medical attention after diagnosis.  This was the factual numbers the doctor used in his report. Now that I answered your question are you going to start a Flu thread asking for isolation, nationwide testing, cancellations, etc.??

We aren't talking about the Flu. We are talking about Corona. How many people is 83% of the infected population? 

I am not sure if you are unable to comprehend or if there is a reading issue. The numbers I provided are CV19 numbers NOT Flu numbers. The answer to your question was; 87,863 confirmed CV19 cases worldwide did not require medical attention.   

Dude, you repeatedly tried to shift the discussion to the flu, questioning whether I would start a thread about it despite my never making any point about the flu. 

Confirmed cases of CV19, but we have no idea how many people actually have the disease. 83% sounds good but means nothing. Neither you nor I nor that doctor know how many people that is right now, nevermind in a week or a month. That (again) is my point.  

JimmyV said:

PJ N DC said:

scotterbs said:

Joostone said:

Cause the flu doesn't kill 3-4% of the infected (the flu kills about 0.1% of the infected)

PJ N DC, take note^^^. I'll let you do the math, so get your calculator out and plug in what 4% of 29,000,000 infected with flu would be. We'll wait patiently. 

source note for 29M estimated infected in 2019-2020 w/ influenza: https://www.mdmag.com/medical-news/flu-cases-near-30-million-in-the-us-cdc-reports

This is all based on an assumption it gets to 29 Million.  My calculator does not calculate assumptions. CV is currently at 110k...hit me back when it hits 1 Million.  Until then keep spreading the fear. 

"My calculator does not calculate assumptions. CV is currently at 110k"

- Guy who is assuming this is still true 

YAKIMATSU said:

After the heavy emotional response from roskilde, I can't believe that this band would even consider ever endangering their fans again. The spring tour seems destined for postponement or cancellation. Or maybe,  pearl jam is not what I thought they were. 

jeffbr said:

PJ N DC said:

scotterbs said:

Joostone said:

Cause the flu doesn't kill 3-4% of the infected (the flu kills about 0.1% of the infected)

PJ N DC, take note^^^. I'll let you do the math, so get your calculator out and plug in what 4% of 29,000,000 infected with flu would be. We'll wait patiently. 

source note for 29M estimated infected in 2019-2020 w/ influenza: https://www.mdmag.com/medical-news/flu-cases-near-30-million-in-the-us-cdc-reports

This is all based on an assumption it gets to 29 Million.  My calculator does not calculate assumptions. CV is currently at 110k...hit me back when it hits 1 Million.  Until then keep spreading the fear. 

Willful ignorance going on here, or intentional obfuscation. There were 0 confirmed cases in WA state a few of weeks ago. Now in my county alone we have about 80 confirmed cases and almost 20 dead from it. So this is a real thing happening here, not just some theoretical game you seem to be playing. We also have NO vaccine. We have NO antiviral treatment for it. We have NO experience or history with this. We are only now beginning to test, and still don't have numbers of kits to meet demand. We get it, you don't give a shit if you get it and spread it around, because it is pretty likely it wouldn't negatively affect you. Fuck everyone else, amirite?