CoVid19 Virus : Impact on PJ Spring & Summer Tours

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  • Hawk123
    Hawk123 Posts: 2,367
    PJ N DC said:
    JimmyV said:
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    ComeToTX said:
    PJ N DC said:
    sj9966 said:
    The 2009 Swine Flu pandemic peaked at 110000 cases here in the UK in July of that year and then peaked again at 80,000 cases in October. Nothing was cancelled, sporting events, festivals or anything of the like. Life went on without the mass hysteria that is surrounding this current virus.
    the MAIN difference in this country is different administrations in charge.....current admin has NO clue about how to manage this and the Obama admin had a cohesive plan.
    What needs to be done to "manage this" and what "cohesive plan" should be put into place? Very easy to point fingers.
    We knew this was coming for 2 months.  They should have started mass producing tests in January.  There is no excuse for where we are with tests today.
    The tests are only effective for the people that take them.  83% infected with the virus don't even seek medical attention.  What good is a test for the majority of folks that will treat this as a respiratory illness and not even consider being tested? 
    If they aren't tested, how do we have know they had it? This doesn't make sense.
    You can have all types of illnesses that go untested.  You do not have to go to a doctor to make an illness official.  What I was trying to state was that people will treat this as an illness on their own (not knowing it is corona and hence will not be tested).
    And what we are saying is that if we don't know how many people are infected we cannot determine how many 83% even is, nevermind what they may or may not do. 
    These are all fluid numbers and many are estimates as there is a large population that may be affected and never be reported.  Bottom line is there is no reason to stop living or cancelling events.  If you think postponements and cancellations should occur, then why have they not happened for a bigger epidemic (FLU)?  

    Source CDC:
    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S.
    I think tossing out random stats that cannot be verified is reckless. That's my point. We have no idea how many people 83% is, will be, where they are, who they are, etc. Pretending otherwise serves no purpose other than to misinform. 
    Not a random stat.......why aren't all public activities being postponed due to the Flu?  Why isn't the media covering the Flu? Where is the thread on the board because of the Flu?

    Source CDC:
    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S.
    You are trying to deflect. How many is 83% Who and where are they? Check back with your source and let us know. 
    Not trying to deflect at all.  Please explain to me why you are not more concerned with a virus that has 15 million reported cases and 8,200 reported deaths in the US??? Where the CV has 580 reported cases and 22 reported deaths in the US.  The numbers don't lie and the media is at fault. 
    I’m not on either side here but use the CV death rate for 15 million people and it becomes much more of a concern
  • mysticweed
    mysticweed Posts: 3,710
    edited March 2020
    myoung321 said:
    MayDay10 said:
    I went on a cruise a couple weeks ago.  It was great.
    Things people never say? 
    hilarious 
    fuck 'em if they can't take a joke

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  • PJ N DC
    PJ N DC Posts: 187
    mace1229 said:
    PJ N DC said:
    scotterbs said:
    PJ N DC said:

    These are all fluid numbers and many are estimates as there is a large population that may be affected and never be reported.  Bottom line is there is no reason to stop living or cancelling events.  If you think postponements and cancellations should occur, then why have they not happened for a bigger epidemic (FLU)?  

    Source CDC:
    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S.
    This.Has.Nothing.To.Do.With.Influenza. Apples and oranges. JFC.


    Come on Giant Meteor 2020! 
    They are not the same.  You are right.  The Flu is significantly more dangerous and more of a concern in the U.S.
    I would partially agree. I've been saying for a week I dont get the hysteria over this. It will not impact us as much as the flu does every year. Yes, people have died, but it would have to be 1000 times worse to match the flu. 
    But we don't really know how dangerous corona is yet.  agree the flu should be more of a concern. If people are seriously talking about canceling events and avoiding the public over a few hundred, maybe even a few thousand who get this then we should be closing everything for the 20 million who get the flu and 20,000 who die from it. If this reaction for corona is justified, then we should just shut down the country from November -April every year for the flu.
    Thank you for looking at this in a rational manner. The hysteria has outweighed common sense.
    92 - Reston, VA (Lollapalooza)
    96 - Columbia, MD
    98 - VA Beach
    00 - VA Beach, Columbia, MD
    03 - Pittsburgh, State College, Bristow, VA,
    04 - Reading, PA
    05 - St. Johns, Newfoundland, Pittsburgh
    06 - E Rutherford, NJ, Pittsburgh 
    07 - The Vic
    08 - Washington, DC (EV Solo), VA Beach, Washington, DC
    09 - Philadelphia (EV Solo) & Philadelphia (Spectrum Shows)
    10 - Bristow
    12 - Philadelphia (Made in America Festival)
    13 - Wrigley Field, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Charlottesville, Charlotte
    14 - St. Louis, MO
    16 - Hampton, VA, Philadelphia 2, New York City 1&2
    18 - Seattle 1 & Seattle 2
    22 - LA 1 & LA 2, Hamilton, ON, Toronto, Nashville, TN
    23 - Ft. Worth 1 & Ft. Worth 2, Austin 1 & Austin 2
    24 - LA 1 & LA 2, MSG 1, Philadelphia 2, Baltimore
    25 - Nashville 1 & Nashville 2, Raleigh 2, Pittsburgh 1 & Pittsburgh 2
  • myoung321
    myoung321 Posts: 2,855
    PJ N DC said:
    JimmyV said:
    PJ N DC said:
    JimmyV said:
    PJ N DC said:
    JimmyV said:
    PJ N DC said:
    PJ N DC said:
    ComeToTX said:
    PJ N DC said:
    sj9966 said:
    The 2009 Swine Flu pandemic peaked at 110000 cases here in the UK in July of that year and then peaked again at 80,000 cases in October. Nothing was cancelled, sporting events, festivals or anything of the like. Life went on without the mass hysteria that is surrounding this current virus.
    the MAIN difference in this country is different administrations in charge.....current admin has NO clue about how to manage this and the Obama admin had a cohesive plan.
    What needs to be done to "manage this" and what "cohesive plan" should be put into place? Very easy to point fingers.
    We knew this was coming for 2 months.  They should have started mass producing tests in January.  There is no excuse for where we are with tests today.
    The tests are only effective for the people that take them.  83% infected with the virus don't even seek medical attention.  What good is a test for the majority of folks that will treat this as a respiratory illness and not even consider being tested? 
    If they aren't tested, how do we have know they had it? This doesn't make sense.
    You can have all types of illnesses that go untested.  You do not have to go to a doctor to make an illness official.  What I was trying to state was that people will treat this as an illness on their own (not knowing it is corona and hence will not be tested).
    And what we are saying is that if we don't know how many people are infected we cannot determine how many 83% even is, nevermind what they may or may not do. 
    These are all fluid numbers and many are estimates as there is a large population that may be affected and never be reported.  Bottom line is there is no reason to stop living or cancelling events.  If you think postponements and cancellations should occur, then why have they not happened for a bigger epidemic (FLU)?  

    Source CDC:
    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S.
    I think tossing out random stats that cannot be verified is reckless. That's my point. We have no idea how many people 83% is, will be, where they are, who they are, etc. Pretending otherwise serves no purpose other than to misinform. 
    Not a random stat.......why aren't all public activities being postponed due to the Flu?  Why isn't the media covering the Flu? Where is the thread on the board because of the Flu?

    Source CDC:
    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S.
    You are trying to deflect. How many is 83% Who and where are they? Check back with your source and let us know. 
    Not trying to deflect at all.  Please explain to me why you are not more concerned with a virus that has 15 million reported cases and 8,200 reported deaths in the US??? Where the CV has 580 reported cases and 22 reported deaths in the US.  The numbers don't lie and the media is at fault. 
    Don 't know about you, but I can't remember anyone ever closing off large areas like Northern Italy over normal seasonal flu.

    The "normal flu" isn't even a thing. The flu deaths you read about are from various viral infections, not just one bug.. Most of those flu bugs, for lack of better name, are known. Humans have be exposed over the years. Human bodies have built anti-bodies to these various bugs. This Virus is not one of those. It is new. It has never been passed through humans.   
    "The heart and mind are the true lens of the camera." - Yusuf Karsh
     


  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,885
    Poncier said:
    Sweet Flu (is so much less scary than Covid 19)
    Not really, my city had more people die from flu this year than last....57 compared to 30 last year at this time. 
    And STILL people don't get flu shots
    Didn't say less lethal, just less scary...folks don't buy 300 rolls of toilet paper when they hear about the flu on the news. This thing has created a surreal panic
    This weekend we rock Portland
  • So many people here, without an ounce of knowledge or expertise, making comments about what should or shouldn't be done. Incredible. 
  • Jammin909
    Jammin909 Posts: 888
    I'm just surprised that Pence hasn't prayed the virus away yet since he was put in charge. Figured we'd be on easy street by now.
    LOL
    The less you know, the more you believe.
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,825
    edited March 2020
    So many people here, without an ounce of knowledge or expertise, making comments about what should or shouldn't be done. Incredible. 
    So we have to be an expert to listen to facts and come up with our own opinion? If thats the case then only politicians should be allowed to vote.
  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,885
    I'm just surprised that Pence hasn't prayed the virus away yet since he was put in charge. Figured we'd be on easy street by now.
    I'm sure Mother has helped him find guidance on how to eradicate it.
    This weekend we rock Portland
  • sparky_fry
    sparky_fry Posts: 760
    This was fun for a while, but the misinformation is alarming. Opinions are opinions. Look at the facts:

    - Spread to over 100 countries
    - Infected over 100,000 people
    - 16 million people in Italy are under quarantine. 366 have died with 133 in one day
    - Washington state has spent 4 million dollars to buy a motel for patients. Hospitals are overrun
    - There are over 550 known cases is the US, 22 have died
    - Football games are being played in empty stadiums
    - St. Patrick's day parades cancelled in Ireland
    - 142 cases in NY state
    - The doubling time for infections is estimated to be 4 days (How long it takes for the amount of people infected to double in a region)
    - The USA has the 8th most cases in the world




  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ N DC said:
    ComeToTX said:
    PJ N DC said:
    sj9966 said:
    The 2009 Swine Flu pandemic peaked at 110000 cases here in the UK in July of that year and then peaked again at 80,000 cases in October. Nothing was cancelled, sporting events, festivals or anything of the like. Life went on without the mass hysteria that is surrounding this current virus.
    the MAIN difference in this country is different administrations in charge.....current admin has NO clue about how to manage this and the Obama admin had a cohesive plan.
    What needs to be done to "manage this" and what "cohesive plan" should be put into place? Very easy to point fingers.
    We knew this was coming for 2 months.  They should have started mass producing tests in January.  There is no excuse for where we are with tests today.
    The tests are only effective for the people that take them.  83% infected with the virus don't even seek medical attention.  What good is a test for the majority of folks that will treat this as a respiratory illness and not even consider being tested? 
    Last week my entire house fell ill with 3 of the 4 people in my house had a ever above 102 with some respiratory effects, along with other flu like symptoms. I went to the dr twice over a 3 day period, my wife went in twice, each of our kids went in at least once. None of us were ever tested. I was kind of surprised. I highly doubted I had corona, but for being as paranoid as everyone says, I thought we would have been tested.
    Now if I was 99% I didnt have it, that 1% getting untested is who is going to end up spreading it the most
    I'm pretty sure that I read that they won't test you unless you had direct contact with other infected people/places.  
    Yes, but if "they" really want to get ahead and this is as serious as the media is portraying, shouldn't they be testing everyone? Its the community spread that is going to be most dangerous from people who don't know they even have it.
    How? The US dropped the ball on this early on, wouldn't accept WHO assistance early on, and we're behind the virus and trying to catch up. We can test for the flu at any grocery store pharmacy these days. We can get antiviral treatments for the flu. But we have no capacity to do the same level of testing for COVID-19. They were only testing those who had direct contact with travels from Wuhan for a while. Then they were only testing those in high-risk categories exhibiting severe symptoms. Now that is finally being relaxed a bit, and labs are working like crazy to produce enough test kits to meet demand. We are a way away from being able to test anyone who walks into the Dr. with flu like symptoms. They'll be tested for influenza, but not for COVID-19 currently. So to answer your question - yes, they should be testing everyone who goes to the Dr. with symptoms right now. But they can't because of the guy you voted for for president. At some point we'll be able to.
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  • PJ N DC
    PJ N DC Posts: 187
    JimmyV said:
    PJ N DC said:
    JimmyV said:
    PJ N DC said:
    JimmyV said:
    PJ N DC said:
    JimmyV said:
    PJ N DC said:
    PJ N DC said:
    ComeToTX said:
    PJ N DC said:
    sj9966 said:
    The 2009 Swine Flu pandemic peaked at 110000 cases here in the UK in July of that year and then peaked again at 80,000 cases in October. Nothing was cancelled, sporting events, festivals or anything of the like. Life went on without the mass hysteria that is surrounding this current virus.
    the MAIN difference in this country is different administrations in charge.....current admin has NO clue about how to manage this and the Obama admin had a cohesive plan.
    What needs to be done to "manage this" and what "cohesive plan" should be put into place? Very easy to point fingers.
    We knew this was coming for 2 months.  They should have started mass producing tests in January.  There is no excuse for where we are with tests today.
    The tests are only effective for the people that take them.  83% infected with the virus don't even seek medical attention.  What good is a test for the majority of folks that will treat this as a respiratory illness and not even consider being tested? 
    If they aren't tested, how do we have know they had it? This doesn't make sense.
    You can have all types of illnesses that go untested.  You do not have to go to a doctor to make an illness official.  What I was trying to state was that people will treat this as an illness on their own (not knowing it is corona and hence will not be tested).
    And what we are saying is that if we don't know how many people are infected we cannot determine how many 83% even is, nevermind what they may or may not do. 
    These are all fluid numbers and many are estimates as there is a large population that may be affected and never be reported.  Bottom line is there is no reason to stop living or cancelling events.  If you think postponements and cancellations should occur, then why have they not happened for a bigger epidemic (FLU)?  

    Source CDC:
    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S.
    I think tossing out random stats that cannot be verified is reckless. That's my point. We have no idea how many people 83% is, will be, where they are, who they are, etc. Pretending otherwise serves no purpose other than to misinform. 
    Not a random stat.......why aren't all public activities being postponed due to the Flu?  Why isn't the media covering the Flu? Where is the thread on the board because of the Flu?

    Source CDC:
    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S.
    You are trying to deflect. How many is 83% Who and where are they? Check back with your source and let us know. 
    Not trying to deflect at all.  Please explain to me why you are not more concerned with a virus that has 15 million reported cases and 8,200 reported deaths in the US??? Where the CV has 580 reported cases and 22 reported deaths in the US.  The numbers don't lie and the media is at fault. 
    You are arguing a point that I didn't make while refusing to address the question I have asked you repeatedly. How many people is 83%?
    Here is your answer...83% of the 105,860 reported globally is 87,863. These 87,863 did not require any medical attention after diagnosis.  This was the factual numbers the doctor used in his report. Now that I answered your question are you going to start a Flu thread asking for isolation, nationwide testing, cancellations, etc.??
    92 - Reston, VA (Lollapalooza)
    96 - Columbia, MD
    98 - VA Beach
    00 - VA Beach, Columbia, MD
    03 - Pittsburgh, State College, Bristow, VA,
    04 - Reading, PA
    05 - St. Johns, Newfoundland, Pittsburgh
    06 - E Rutherford, NJ, Pittsburgh 
    07 - The Vic
    08 - Washington, DC (EV Solo), VA Beach, Washington, DC
    09 - Philadelphia (EV Solo) & Philadelphia (Spectrum Shows)
    10 - Bristow
    12 - Philadelphia (Made in America Festival)
    13 - Wrigley Field, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Charlottesville, Charlotte
    14 - St. Louis, MO
    16 - Hampton, VA, Philadelphia 2, New York City 1&2
    18 - Seattle 1 & Seattle 2
    22 - LA 1 & LA 2, Hamilton, ON, Toronto, Nashville, TN
    23 - Ft. Worth 1 & Ft. Worth 2, Austin 1 & Austin 2
    24 - LA 1 & LA 2, MSG 1, Philadelphia 2, Baltimore
    25 - Nashville 1 & Nashville 2, Raleigh 2, Pittsburgh 1 & Pittsburgh 2
  • myoung321
    myoung321 Posts: 2,855
    PJ N DC said:
    scotterbs said:
    PJ N DC said:

    These are all fluid numbers and many are estimates as there is a large population that may be affected and never be reported.  Bottom line is there is no reason to stop living or cancelling events.  If you think postponements and cancellations should occur, then why have they not happened for a bigger epidemic (FLU)?  

    Source CDC:
    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S.
    This.Has.Nothing.To.Do.With.Influenza. Apples and oranges. JFC.


    Come on Giant Meteor 2020! 
    They are not the same.  You are right.  The Flu is significantly more dangerous and more of a concern in the U.S.
    If it's no concern to you what-so-ever, then I know a Nursing Home in Kirkland Washington that you could volunteer at...
    "The heart and mind are the true lens of the camera." - Yusuf Karsh
     


  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,825
    This was fun for a while, but the misinformation is alarming. Opinions are opinions. Look at the facts:

    - Spread to over 100 countries
    - Infected over 100,000 people
    - 16 million people in Italy are under quarantine. 366 have died with 133 in one day
    - Washington state has spent 4 million dollars to buy a motel for patients. Hospitals are overrun
    - There are over 550 known cases is the US, 22 have died
    - Football games are being played in empty stadiums
    - St. Patrick's day parades cancelled in Ireland
    - 142 cases in NY state
    - The doubling time for infections is estimated to be 4 days (How long it takes for the amount of people infected to double in a region)
    - The USA has the 8th most cases in the world




    Nobody is arguing those facts. What has been said by a few, and I agree, is why all this when we essentially ignore the flu year after year? The flue infects 20 million just in USA, and 20,000 die just in this country. I doubt the worldwide effects of corona will even match what the flu does just in 1 country every year. That is why I don't get the hysteria. If you think playing in empty stadiums and cancelling shows are justified, then how do you not justify it every year for the flu that infects 20 million people?
  • PJ N DC
    PJ N DC Posts: 187
    mace1229 said:
    This was fun for a while, but the misinformation is alarming. Opinions are opinions. Look at the facts:

    - Spread to over 100 countries
    - Infected over 100,000 people
    - 16 million people in Italy are under quarantine. 366 have died with 133 in one day
    - Washington state has spent 4 million dollars to buy a motel for patients. Hospitals are overrun
    - There are over 550 known cases is the US, 22 have died
    - Football games are being played in empty stadiums
    - St. Patrick's day parades cancelled in Ireland
    - 142 cases in NY state
    - The doubling time for infections is estimated to be 4 days (How long it takes for the amount of people infected to double in a region)
    - The USA has the 8th most cases in the world




    Nobody is arguing those facts. What has been said by a few, and I agree, is why all this when we essentially ignore the flu year after year? The flue infects 20 million just in USA, and 20,000 die just in this country. I doubt the worldwide effects of corona will even match what the flu does just in 1 country every year. That is why I don't get the hysteria. If you think playing in empty stadiums and cancelling shows are justified, then how do you not justify it every year for the flu that infects 20 million people?
    Bingo!
    92 - Reston, VA (Lollapalooza)
    96 - Columbia, MD
    98 - VA Beach
    00 - VA Beach, Columbia, MD
    03 - Pittsburgh, State College, Bristow, VA,
    04 - Reading, PA
    05 - St. Johns, Newfoundland, Pittsburgh
    06 - E Rutherford, NJ, Pittsburgh 
    07 - The Vic
    08 - Washington, DC (EV Solo), VA Beach, Washington, DC
    09 - Philadelphia (EV Solo) & Philadelphia (Spectrum Shows)
    10 - Bristow
    12 - Philadelphia (Made in America Festival)
    13 - Wrigley Field, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Charlottesville, Charlotte
    14 - St. Louis, MO
    16 - Hampton, VA, Philadelphia 2, New York City 1&2
    18 - Seattle 1 & Seattle 2
    22 - LA 1 & LA 2, Hamilton, ON, Toronto, Nashville, TN
    23 - Ft. Worth 1 & Ft. Worth 2, Austin 1 & Austin 2
    24 - LA 1 & LA 2, MSG 1, Philadelphia 2, Baltimore
    25 - Nashville 1 & Nashville 2, Raleigh 2, Pittsburgh 1 & Pittsburgh 2
  • sparky_fry
    sparky_fry Posts: 760
    mace1229 said:
    This was fun for a while, but the misinformation is alarming. Opinions are opinions. Look at the facts:

    - Spread to over 100 countries
    - Infected over 100,000 people
    - 16 million people in Italy are under quarantine. 366 have died with 133 in one day
    - Washington state has spent 4 million dollars to buy a motel for patients. Hospitals are overrun
    - There are over 550 known cases is the US, 22 have died
    - Football games are being played in empty stadiums
    - St. Patrick's day parades cancelled in Ireland
    - 142 cases in NY state
    - The doubling time for infections is estimated to be 4 days (How long it takes for the amount of people infected to double in a region)
    - The USA has the 8th most cases in the world




    Nobody is arguing those facts. What has been said by a few, and I agree, is why all this when we essentially ignore the flu year after year? The flue infects 20 million just in USA, and 20,000 die just in this country. I doubt the worldwide effects of corona will even match what the flu does just in 1 country every year. That is why I don't get the hysteria. If you think playing in empty stadiums and cancelling shows are justified, then how do you not justify it every year for the flu that infects 20 million people?
    Because hospitals cannot handle 20 million people with flu and 20 million people with this as well.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    PJ N DC said:
    JimmyV said:
    PJ N DC said:
    JimmyV said:
    PJ N DC said:
    JimmyV said:
    PJ N DC said:
    JimmyV said:
    PJ N DC said:
    PJ N DC said:
    ComeToTX said:
    PJ N DC said:
    sj9966 said:
    The 2009 Swine Flu pandemic peaked at 110000 cases here in the UK in July of that year and then peaked again at 80,000 cases in October. Nothing was cancelled, sporting events, festivals or anything of the like. Life went on without the mass hysteria that is surrounding this current virus.
    the MAIN difference in this country is different administrations in charge.....current admin has NO clue about how to manage this and the Obama admin had a cohesive plan.
    What needs to be done to "manage this" and what "cohesive plan" should be put into place? Very easy to point fingers.
    We knew this was coming for 2 months.  They should have started mass producing tests in January.  There is no excuse for where we are with tests today.
    The tests are only effective for the people that take them.  83% infected with the virus don't even seek medical attention.  What good is a test for the majority of folks that will treat this as a respiratory illness and not even consider being tested? 
    If they aren't tested, how do we have know they had it? This doesn't make sense.
    You can have all types of illnesses that go untested.  You do not have to go to a doctor to make an illness official.  What I was trying to state was that people will treat this as an illness on their own (not knowing it is corona and hence will not be tested).
    And what we are saying is that if we don't know how many people are infected we cannot determine how many 83% even is, nevermind what they may or may not do. 
    These are all fluid numbers and many are estimates as there is a large population that may be affected and never be reported.  Bottom line is there is no reason to stop living or cancelling events.  If you think postponements and cancellations should occur, then why have they not happened for a bigger epidemic (FLU)?  

    Source CDC:
    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S.
    I think tossing out random stats that cannot be verified is reckless. That's my point. We have no idea how many people 83% is, will be, where they are, who they are, etc. Pretending otherwise serves no purpose other than to misinform. 
    Not a random stat.......why aren't all public activities being postponed due to the Flu?  Why isn't the media covering the Flu? Where is the thread on the board because of the Flu?

    Source CDC:
    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S.
    You are trying to deflect. How many is 83% Who and where are they? Check back with your source and let us know. 
    Not trying to deflect at all.  Please explain to me why you are not more concerned with a virus that has 15 million reported cases and 8,200 reported deaths in the US??? Where the CV has 580 reported cases and 22 reported deaths in the US.  The numbers don't lie and the media is at fault. 
    You are arguing a point that I didn't make while refusing to address the question I have asked you repeatedly. How many people is 83%?
    Here is your answer...83% of the 105,860 reported globally is 87,863. These 87,863 did not require any medical attention after diagnosis.  This was the factual numbers the doctor used in his report. Now that I answered your question are you going to start a Flu thread asking for isolation, nationwide testing, cancellations, etc.??
    We aren't talking about the Flu. We are talking about Corona. How many people is 83% of the infected population? 
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  • myoung321
    myoung321 Posts: 2,855

     These statements aren't made for normal flu.. 

    Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told Fox News on Sunday

    “Don’t go to crowded places, think twice before a long plane trip, and for goodness sake don’t go on any cruises,” Fauci said.

    For people who are particularly vulnerable, he said: “Don’t wait for community spread. Now is the time to do social distancing, whether there is spread in your community or not.”

    If community spread has already started, as in Seattle, he said, everyone should practice social distancing.



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  • PJ N DC
    PJ N DC Posts: 187
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    The 2009 Swine Flu pandemic peaked at 110000 cases here in the UK in July of that year and then peaked again at 80,000 cases in October. Nothing was cancelled, sporting events, festivals or anything of the like. Life went on without the mass hysteria that is surrounding this current virus.
    the MAIN difference in this country is different administrations in charge.....current admin has NO clue about how to manage this and the Obama admin had a cohesive plan.
    What needs to be done to "manage this" and what "cohesive plan" should be put into place? Very easy to point fingers.
    We knew this was coming for 2 months.  They should have started mass producing tests in January.  There is no excuse for where we are with tests today.
    The tests are only effective for the people that take them.  83% infected with the virus don't even seek medical attention.  What good is a test for the majority of folks that will treat this as a respiratory illness and not even consider being tested? 
    If they aren't tested, how do we have know they had it? This doesn't make sense.
    You can have all types of illnesses that go untested.  You do not have to go to a doctor to make an illness official.  What I was trying to state was that people will treat this as an illness on their own (not knowing it is corona and hence will not be tested).
    And what we are saying is that if we don't know how many people are infected we cannot determine how many 83% even is, nevermind what they may or may not do. 
    These are all fluid numbers and many are estimates as there is a large population that may be affected and never be reported.  Bottom line is there is no reason to stop living or cancelling events.  If you think postponements and cancellations should occur, then why have they not happened for a bigger epidemic (FLU)?  

    Source CDC:
    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S.
    I think tossing out random stats that cannot be verified is reckless. That's my point. We have no idea how many people 83% is, will be, where they are, who they are, etc. Pretending otherwise serves no purpose other than to misinform. 
    Not a random stat.......why aren't all public activities being postponed due to the Flu?  Why isn't the media covering the Flu? Where is the thread on the board because of the Flu?

    Source CDC:
    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S.
    You are trying to deflect. How many is 83% Who and where are they? Check back with your source and let us know. 
    Not trying to deflect at all.  Please explain to me why you are not more concerned with a virus that has 15 million reported cases and 8,200 reported deaths in the US??? Where the CV has 580 reported cases and 22 reported deaths in the US.  The numbers don't lie and the media is at fault. 
    You are arguing a point that I didn't make while refusing to address the question I have asked you repeatedly. How many people is 83%?
    Here is your answer...83% of the 105,860 reported globally is 87,863. These 87,863 did not require any medical attention after diagnosis.  This was the factual numbers the doctor used in his report. Now that I answered your question are you going to start a Flu thread asking for isolation, nationwide testing, cancellations, etc.??
    We aren't talking about the Flu. We are talking about Corona. How many people is 83% of the infected population? 
    I am not sure if you are unable to comprehend or if there is a reading issue. The numbers I provided are CV19 numbers NOT Flu numbers. The answer to your question was; 87,863 confirmed CV19 cases worldwide did not require medical attention.   
    92 - Reston, VA (Lollapalooza)
    96 - Columbia, MD
    98 - VA Beach
    00 - VA Beach, Columbia, MD
    03 - Pittsburgh, State College, Bristow, VA,
    04 - Reading, PA
    05 - St. Johns, Newfoundland, Pittsburgh
    06 - E Rutherford, NJ, Pittsburgh 
    07 - The Vic
    08 - Washington, DC (EV Solo), VA Beach, Washington, DC
    09 - Philadelphia (EV Solo) & Philadelphia (Spectrum Shows)
    10 - Bristow
    12 - Philadelphia (Made in America Festival)
    13 - Wrigley Field, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Charlottesville, Charlotte
    14 - St. Louis, MO
    16 - Hampton, VA, Philadelphia 2, New York City 1&2
    18 - Seattle 1 & Seattle 2
    22 - LA 1 & LA 2, Hamilton, ON, Toronto, Nashville, TN
    23 - Ft. Worth 1 & Ft. Worth 2, Austin 1 & Austin 2
    24 - LA 1 & LA 2, MSG 1, Philadelphia 2, Baltimore
    25 - Nashville 1 & Nashville 2, Raleigh 2, Pittsburgh 1 & Pittsburgh 2
  • Joostone
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    Cause the flu doesnt kill 3-4% of the infected (the flu kills about 0.1% of the infected)
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