The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    JimmyV said:
    Get out, Bernie. This kind of strategy will not help you. 
    https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/democratic-candidates-interested-winning-over-warren-supporters-would-be-wise-listen-why
    Well to be a devil's advocate, I don't think CNN or MSNBC will be granting him a town-hall anytime soon. Take what you can get I guess. And it's not like you have to be a regular Fox News viewer to see it. The article notes that a town-hall on Fox News wouldn't be helpful because undecided democrat primary voters don't watch Fox News. But they can still check it out on YouTube or something. 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    edited March 2020
    JimmyV said:
    Get out, Bernie. This kind of strategy will not help you. 
    https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/democratic-candidates-interested-winning-over-warren-supporters-would-be-wise-listen-why
    Isn't this something that would only hold value in the general election?

    I get that his last Fox Town Hall was a "success" with a lot of media attention. 

    But now in the primary I would think you harvest what you have been building up during the primary, not trying to relaunch. There can only be one Comeback Kid this late in the game. 

    But I guess he has to do what he can to be digging his way, digging his way to something, digging his way to something better.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    JimmyV said:
    The horse race doesn't matter. Biden is going to be the nominee. Bernie's candidacy is over. Dems getting buyer's remorse as these primaries march on might not be the worst case scenario but it would be a bad one. . 
    It's just such a sad system that of all those people that declared themselves to be candidates, the one that's going to emerge has failed in two presidential runs, and is showing major signs of decline. Even sadder is that despite that, he probably does have the best chance to beat Trump. 

    It seems like the two best ways to become a major party nominee during my lifetime is to be a master politician like Bill Clinton, Obama, and Trump, or to simply hang around for a very long time like Dole, Kerry, McCain, and Hillary. And unfortunately, Biden falls into the second category. Here's hoping he gets a better outcome that than those four did. 


    how many times did Reagan run? 

    HW Bush?

    Nixon?
    I think they all ran once and lost a primary before going on to win.

    I also think they were coherent during the years when they won.
    Nixon lost to Kennedy in 60. 
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,116
    mrussel1 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    JimmyV said:
    The horse race doesn't matter. Biden is going to be the nominee. Bernie's candidacy is over. Dems getting buyer's remorse as these primaries march on might not be the worst case scenario but it would be a bad one. . 
    It's just such a sad system that of all those people that declared themselves to be candidates, the one that's going to emerge has failed in two presidential runs, and is showing major signs of decline. Even sadder is that despite that, he probably does have the best chance to beat Trump. 

    It seems like the two best ways to become a major party nominee during my lifetime is to be a master politician like Bill Clinton, Obama, and Trump, or to simply hang around for a very long time like Dole, Kerry, McCain, and Hillary. And unfortunately, Biden falls into the second category. Here's hoping he gets a better outcome that than those four did. 


    how many times did Reagan run? 

    HW Bush?

    Nixon?
    I think they all ran once and lost a primary before going on to win.

    I also think they were coherent during the years when they won.
    Nixon lost to Kennedy in 60. 
    If only Nixon had a better razor.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    JimmyV said:
    The horse race doesn't matter. Biden is going to be the nominee. Bernie's candidacy is over. Dems getting buyer's remorse as these primaries march on might not be the worst case scenario but it would be a bad one. . 
    It's just such a sad system that of all those people that declared themselves to be candidates, the one that's going to emerge has failed in two presidential runs, and is showing major signs of decline. Even sadder is that despite that, he probably does have the best chance to beat Trump. 

    It seems like the two best ways to become a major party nominee during my lifetime is to be a master politician like Bill Clinton, Obama, and Trump, or to simply hang around for a very long time like Dole, Kerry, McCain, and Hillary. And unfortunately, Biden falls into the second category. Here's hoping he gets a better outcome that than those four did. 


    how many times did Reagan run? 

    HW Bush?

    Nixon?
    I think they all ran once and lost a primary before going on to win.

    I also think they were coherent during the years when they won.
    Nixon lost to Kennedy in 60. 
    If only Nixon had a better razor.  
    Or Daley didn't control Chicago
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    edited March 2020
    ^^ Hasn't been my finest day on the board. Incorrect election history, debating over a Twitter video I Half-watched...well at least it’s Friday. 

    Edit: Add posting this under the wrong post to the list. 
    Post edited by Ledbetterman10 on
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    JimmyV said:
    The horse race doesn't matter. Biden is going to be the nominee. Bernie's candidacy is over. Dems getting buyer's remorse as these primaries march on might not be the worst case scenario but it would be a bad one. . 
    It's just such a sad system that of all those people that declared themselves to be candidates, the one that's going to emerge has failed in two presidential runs, and is showing major signs of decline. Even sadder is that despite that, he probably does have the best chance to beat Trump. 

    It seems like the two best ways to become a major party nominee during my lifetime is to be a master politician like Bill Clinton, Obama, and Trump, or to simply hang around for a very long time like Dole, Kerry, McCain, and Hillary. And unfortunately, Biden falls into the second category. Here's hoping he gets a better outcome that than those four did. 


    how many times did Reagan run? 

    HW Bush?

    Nixon?
    I think they all ran once and lost a primary before going on to win.

    I also think they were coherent during the years when they won.
    Nixon lost to Kennedy in 60. 
    If only Nixon had a better razor.  
    Or Daley didn't control Chicago
    Or Russians wanted him to win.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,192
    The Biden’s should tell them to shove it up your ass. And the House should respond in kind with an investigation into Moscow Mitchy Baby and his wife and Russian mining and smelting operations in Kentucky. Lets really go after the corruption.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/romney-to-vote-for-subpoena-in-senate-investigation-targeting-the-bidens/2020/03/06/d01a1e88-5fcd-11ea-b014-4fafa866bb81_story.html
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  • mcgruff10
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    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    JimmyV said:
    The horse race doesn't matter. Biden is going to be the nominee. Bernie's candidacy is over. Dems getting buyer's remorse as these primaries march on might not be the worst case scenario but it would be a bad one. . 
    It's just such a sad system that of all those people that declared themselves to be candidates, the one that's going to emerge has failed in two presidential runs, and is showing major signs of decline. Even sadder is that despite that, he probably does have the best chance to beat Trump. 

    It seems like the two best ways to become a major party nominee during my lifetime is to be a master politician like Bill Clinton, Obama, and Trump, or to simply hang around for a very long time like Dole, Kerry, McCain, and Hillary. And unfortunately, Biden falls into the second category. Here's hoping he gets a better outcome that than those four did. 


    how many times did Reagan run? 

    HW Bush?

    Nixon?
    I think they all ran once and lost a primary before going on to win.

    I also think they were coherent during the years when they won.
    Nixon lost to Kennedy in 60. 
    If only Nixon had a better razor.  
    Or Daley didn't control Chicago
    I've always been skeptical of the whole Mafia/Illinois 1960 election theories.  Take this article for what it is worth:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/08/08/heres-a-voter-fraud-myth-richard-daley-stole-illinois-for-john-kennedy-in-the-1960-election/
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,527
    JimmyV said:
    President Redford, anyone?
    Redfordations, finally
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    JimmyV said:
    President Redford, anyone?
    Just watched the first episode.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    JimmyV said:
    President Redford, anyone?
    Just watched the first episode.
    You're in for a treat.
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,527
    edited March 2020
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    JimmyV said:
    President Redford, anyone?
    Just watched the first episode.
    You should be watching the second episode and not wasting your time with us bozos
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    pjl44 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    JimmyV said:
    President Redford, anyone?
    Just watched the first episode.
    You should be watching the second episode and not wasting your time with us bozos
    Replace "Just" with "Only". 

    I watched it when it aired. And then I fell off. 

    Might start it up again after disappointing The Outsider is finished.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,527
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    pjl44 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    JimmyV said:
    President Redford, anyone?
    Just watched the first episode.
    You should be watching the second episode and not wasting your time with us bozos
    Replace "Just" with "Only". 

    I watched it when it aired. And then I fell off. 

    Might start it up again after disappointing The Outsider is finished.
    Don't get me started on The Outsider. I knew it was Stephen King and still watched it. Never learn.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    edited March 2020
    Joe must denounce his Biden Buddies. Right, @cincybearcat ?



    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Joe must denounce his Biden Buddies. Right, @cincybearcat ?



    And “gato fumidor” is who exactly? And those alleged twitter “screenshots?” Sure. It didn’t take that to have me wondering why women don’t come forward.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Joe must denounce his Biden Buddies. Right, @cincybearcat ?



    And “gato fumidor” is who exactly? And those alleged twitter “screenshots?” Sure. It didn’t take that to have me wondering why women don’t come forward.
    And "Halifax2TheMax " is who ecactly? 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,192
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Joe must denounce his Biden Buddies. Right, @cincybearcat ?



    And “gato fumidor” is who exactly? And those alleged twitter “screenshots?” Sure. It didn’t take that to have me wondering why women don’t come forward.
    And "Halifax2TheMax " is who ecactly? 
    A Swedish troll bot. Your turn.
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  • what dreams
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    JimmyV said:
    Democrats ran an old, white, straight woman in 2016 and lost. They are now going to run an old(er), straight, white man in 2020. Both are the clear choice of the most moderate elements of the party. Maybe the result will be different this time. I really hope it will. But we have been here before. 
    No. We have not been here before.

    We weren't electing Clinton after a Trump. We were electing Clinton after an Obama, where everyone either got lazy/apathetic (didn't vote), or they got insatiable for more than what Obama accomplished (supported Bernie), or they felt so much antipathy toward Clinton that they voted for Trump in the general.

    Clinton didn't lose to Trump because she was a horrible candidate. She lost because not enough people could imagine how horrible a Trump presidency would be, even with all the evidence right in front of them. I don't think the voters will allow it to happen again. That's why they are drifting to Biden, and that's why turnout is way up. They know they can't stay home (turnout), they know gluttony leads to disease (Sanders losses), and they know Joe Biden is basically a good guy, notwithstanding his sniffs and hugs and dentures and all that either makes us laugh or groan.
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