The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    what dreams said:
    JimmyV said:
    Democrats ran an old, white, straight woman in 2016 and lost. They are now going to run an old(er), straight, white man in 2020. Both are the clear choice of the most moderate elements of the party. Maybe the result will be different this time. I really hope it will. But we have been here before. 
    No. We have not been here before.

    We weren't electing Clinton after a Trump. We were electing Clinton after an Obama, where everyone either got lazy/apathetic (didn't vote), or they got insatiable for more than what Obama accomplished (supported Bernie), or they felt so much antipathy toward Clinton that they voted for Trump in the general.

    Clinton didn't lose to Trump because she was a horrible candidate. She lost because not enough people could imagine how horrible a Trump presidency would be, even with all the evidence right in front of them. I don't think the voters will allow it to happen again. That's why they are drifting to Biden, and that's why turnout is way up. They know they can't stay home (turnout), they know gluttony leads to disease (Sanders losses), and they know Joe Biden is basically a good guy, notwithstanding his sniffs and hugs and dentures and all that either makes us laugh or groan.

    Plus the fact that a lot of people figured Hillary would win so they didn't bother to show up at the voting booth.  In 2020, it's REALLY important for people to show up and vote. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    brianlux said:
    what dreams said:
    JimmyV said:
    Democrats ran an old, white, straight woman in 2016 and lost. They are now going to run an old(er), straight, white man in 2020. Both are the clear choice of the most moderate elements of the party. Maybe the result will be different this time. I really hope it will. But we have been here before. 
    No. We have not been here before.

    We weren't electing Clinton after a Trump. We were electing Clinton after an Obama, where everyone either got lazy/apathetic (didn't vote), or they got insatiable for more than what Obama accomplished (supported Bernie), or they felt so much antipathy toward Clinton that they voted for Trump in the general.

    Clinton didn't lose to Trump because she was a horrible candidate. She lost because not enough people could imagine how horrible a Trump presidency would be, even with all the evidence right in front of them. I don't think the voters will allow it to happen again. That's why they are drifting to Biden, and that's why turnout is way up. They know they can't stay home (turnout), they know gluttony leads to disease (Sanders losses), and they know Joe Biden is basically a good guy, notwithstanding his sniffs and hugs and dentures and all that either makes us laugh or groan.

    Plus the fact that a lot of people figured Hillary would win so they didn't bother to show up at the voting booth.  In 2020, it's REALLY important for people to show up and vote. 
    Or were influenced by Putin on the ritz’s social media campaign to stay home, vote third party or take a chance on Team Trump Treason.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    brianlux said:
    what dreams said:
    JimmyV said:
    Democrats ran an old, white, straight woman in 2016 and lost. They are now going to run an old(er), straight, white man in 2020. Both are the clear choice of the most moderate elements of the party. Maybe the result will be different this time. I really hope it will. But we have been here before. 
    No. We have not been here before.

    We weren't electing Clinton after a Trump. We were electing Clinton after an Obama, where everyone either got lazy/apathetic (didn't vote), or they got insatiable for more than what Obama accomplished (supported Bernie), or they felt so much antipathy toward Clinton that they voted for Trump in the general.

    Clinton didn't lose to Trump because she was a horrible candidate. She lost because not enough people could imagine how horrible a Trump presidency would be, even with all the evidence right in front of them. I don't think the voters will allow it to happen again. That's why they are drifting to Biden, and that's why turnout is way up. They know they can't stay home (turnout), they know gluttony leads to disease (Sanders losses), and they know Joe Biden is basically a good guy, notwithstanding his sniffs and hugs and dentures and all that either makes us laugh or groan.

    Plus the fact that a lot of people figured Hillary would win so they didn't bother to show up at the voting booth.  In 2020, it's REALLY important for people to show up and vote. 
    Or were influenced by Putin on the ritz’s social media campaign to stay home, vote third party or take a chance on Team Trump Treason.

    All of the above, my friend!
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Joe must denounce his Biden Buddies. Right, @cincybearcat ?



    And “gato fumidor” is who exactly? And those alleged twitter “screenshots?” Sure. It didn’t take that to have me wondering why women don’t come forward.
    And "Halifax2TheMax " is who ecactly? 
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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    Kat said:
    CM189191 said:
    Kat said:
    I always remember that Joe Biden is more progressive than many realize/remember. He can be moderate but also progressive. I'm ok with voting for that because he's a decent man and we need that. 

    https://www.washingtonblade.com/2019/05/08/bidens-early-support-for-same-sex-marriage-still-remembered-for-impact/


    But Kaaaaaaaaaat

    Biden's not pure as the driven snow, and I don't agree on every single policy stance he's taken

    what do?
    Are you sure?  lol j/k. There are no perfect human beings...not a single one...even though some think they are. :D
    There's a wave happening out there, I think, and if that's true, I'm really enjoying seeing people rise up with their vote.

    And about Pete from someone's post...one thing I caught when Joe Biden was accepting Pete's endorsement is that he used the phrase "deep bench" in talking about Pete's future in the party. I really liked what Pete said while campaigning as I did for most of them but experience is important to me. I would absolutely vote for Pete in the future. I'm also looking forward to Joe Biden bringing many of his primary opponents into a Biden administration.
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  • mickeyrat
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,527
    mickeyrat said:

    What if I'm in New York, want to get to Chicago, and the two buses are going to Phoenix and LA?
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,527
    Point being if the only available buses are headed in the opposite direction, you're better off staying home and waiting 
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    edited March 2020
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:

    What if I'm in New York, want to get to Chicago, and the two buses are going to Phoenix and LA?

    Then in this analogy New York = tRUmp

    You need to figure out whether or not you want to stay in New York. 

    Otherwise, it's off to Phoenix or LA.
    Post edited by CM189191 on
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,527
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:

    What if I'm in New York, want to get to Chicago, and the two buses are going to Phoenix and LA?

    Then in this analogy New York = tRUmp

    You need to figure out whether or not you want to stay in New York. 

    Otherwise, it's off to Phoenix or LA.
    Meh. I'm not voting for Trump or Bernie/Biden. Hopefully Amash or someone similarly respectable jumps in on the Libertarian side. Otherwise it will just be ballot questions and other races for me.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,388
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:

    What if I'm in New York, want to get to Chicago, and the two buses are going to Phoenix and LA?
    both will likely take you through Indy. Get off there and catch another....
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,527
    mickeyrat said:
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:

    What if I'm in New York, want to get to Chicago, and the two buses are going to Phoenix and LA?
    both will likely take you through Indy. Get off there and catch another....
    My second post is better than the first to get my point across 
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:

    What if I'm in New York, want to get to Chicago, and the two buses are going to Phoenix and LA?
    both will likely take you through Indy. Get off there and catch another....
    My second post is better than the first to get my point across 

    The only point you made is that you fundamentally don't understand American politics. We are a two-party system. Our checks and balances lie in the three branches of government.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,388
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:

    What if I'm in New York, want to get to Chicago, and the two buses are going to Phoenix and LA?
    both will likely take you through Indy. Get off there and catch another....
    My second post is better than the first to get my point across 
    and yet we don't see a libertarian thread with you posting in that of potential candidates. instead you're hanging out in here opining away about candidates you wont vote for.  or at least now its down to those two very quickly.....

    so its obvious then, especially to you, it wasnt meant for you.
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,527
    mickeyrat said:
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:

    What if I'm in New York, want to get to Chicago, and the two buses are going to Phoenix and LA?
    both will likely take you through Indy. Get off there and catch another....
    My second post is better than the first to get my point across 
    and yet we don't see a libertarian thread with you posting in that of potential candidates. instead you're hanging out in here opining away about candidates you wont vote for.  or at least now its down to those two very quickly.....

    so its obvious then, especially to you, it wasnt meant for you.
    Because the Libertarian field right now is bad. If Amash runs, I'll definitely start a separate thread. Discussing not voting for either is as distinct a decision as voting D or R.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,527
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:

    What if I'm in New York, want to get to Chicago, and the two buses are going to Phoenix and LA?
    both will likely take you through Indy. Get off there and catch another....
    My second post is better than the first to get my point across 

    The only point you made is that you fundamentally don't understand American politics. We are a two-party system. Our checks and balances lie in the three branches of government.
    If your only strategy is to try and scold people into voting for your subpar candidate, you might want to consider that the campaign is already doomed
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    pjl44 said:
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:

    What if I'm in New York, want to get to Chicago, and the two buses are going to Phoenix and LA?
    both will likely take you through Indy. Get off there and catch another....
    My second post is better than the first to get my point across 

    The only point you made is that you fundamentally don't understand American politics. We are a two-party system. Our checks and balances lie in the three branches of government.
    If your only strategy is to try and scold people into voting for your subpar candidate, you might want to consider that the campaign is already doomed
    We are a two-party system. Our checks and balances lie in the three branches of government.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,388
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:

    What if I'm in New York, want to get to Chicago, and the two buses are going to Phoenix and LA?
    both will likely take you through Indy. Get off there and catch another....
    My second post is better than the first to get my point across 
    and yet we don't see a libertarian thread with you posting in that of potential candidates. instead you're hanging out in here opining away about candidates you wont vote for.  or at least now its down to those two very quickly.....

    so its obvious then, especially to you, it wasnt meant for you.
    Because the Libertarian field right now is bad. If Amash runs, I'll definitely start a separate thread. Discussing not voting for either is as distinct a decision as voting D or R.
    so start that thread. having the desire and principle to vote FOR a candidate as opposed to against one is admirable.  In some cases that can be dangerous as many now seem to believe for this cycle. but still that choice is yours to make.
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,527
    mickeyrat said:
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:

    What if I'm in New York, want to get to Chicago, and the two buses are going to Phoenix and LA?
    both will likely take you through Indy. Get off there and catch another....
    My second post is better than the first to get my point across 
    and yet we don't see a libertarian thread with you posting in that of potential candidates. instead you're hanging out in here opining away about candidates you wont vote for.  or at least now its down to those two very quickly.....

    so its obvious then, especially to you, it wasnt meant for you.
    Because the Libertarian field right now is bad. If Amash runs, I'll definitely start a separate thread. Discussing not voting for either is as distinct a decision as voting D or R.
    so start that thread. having the desire and principle to vote FOR a candidate as opposed to against one is admirable.  In some cases that can be dangerous as many now seem to believe for this cycle. but still that choice is yours to make.
    All true, but if you can't handle and discuss earnest criticism of candidates you like, you're whistling past the graveyard
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,388
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:

    What if I'm in New York, want to get to Chicago, and the two buses are going to Phoenix and LA?
    both will likely take you through Indy. Get off there and catch another....
    My second post is better than the first to get my point across 
    and yet we don't see a libertarian thread with you posting in that of potential candidates. instead you're hanging out in here opining away about candidates you wont vote for.  or at least now its down to those two very quickly.....

    so its obvious then, especially to you, it wasnt meant for you.
    Because the Libertarian field right now is bad. If Amash runs, I'll definitely start a separate thread. Discussing not voting for either is as distinct a decision as voting D or R.
    so start that thread. having the desire and principle to vote FOR a candidate as opposed to against one is admirable.  In some cases that can be dangerous as many now seem to believe for this cycle. but still that choice is yours to make.
    All true, but if you can't handle and discuss earnest criticism of candidates you like, you're whistling past the graveyard
    must have missed the earnest criticism then....
    likely got lost in our resident propagandists blitz posts of memes gifs and videos. hard to wade through the bullshit.

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