For those of us who don't care for a revolution as much as we care about simply getting rid of Donald Trump, last night was....less than ideal.
Amy...I've liked her, but it's time to hang 'em up. Let her supporters gravitate towards a moderate with a better chance.
Pete...The calmest person on the stage...but came across too mean spirited, especially towards Amy.
Joe...Solid debate performance. But should've gone after Bernie more. Overshadowed by the Liz's angry performance.
Angry Liz...Did she join Bernie's campaign? I understand she hates billionaires, and she certainly bloodied up Mike but....in order for her to gain traction, she needed to take on the front runner, who just happens to be the only guy left of her. What an odd performance. It's like she is conceding the race to Bernie and wants to just make his path easier.
Mike...How was he this unprepared? Expectations were low but they had to have prepped him for all the shit the left/Trump was throwing at him over the last week. Wouldn't have been easy, but he could've quickly acknowledged poor behavior in the past, that he learned from it and is sorry---and then pivoted to attacking Trump (to his defense, he did try to go after Trump more so than the others, which is the whole point of the 2020 campaign). Better 2nd hour....nice shot at Bernie but he has to be immensely better next week.
Bernie...One of the two winners from last night. Not because of any of the talk about all the things he actually will not be able to do as president since there is no way the dems will gain 20+ senate seats, but because nobody really came after him---which makes no sense because the guy is the front runner, yet everyone else chose to spend their time going after Bloomberg.
At the end of the day, there was a lot of talk about polices that have zero chance of happening and not nearly enough time devoted to removing the president from office which is WHY THESE PEOPLE ARE RUNNING IN THE FIRST PLACE. So fucking frustrating.
I don't think much has changed. Sanders might be stronger, Bloomberg might be weaker. Overall, the republicans loved what they saw and Trump's chances improved a bit.
Ugh.
Excellent summation, Juggler. Very much as how I saw it all go down as well.
Fucking tone-deaf. He (or really, his staff) is trying to be like Trump with tweets like this. The difference is that Republican voters liked Trump and liked seeing him cut down likes of Cruz, Bush, and Rubio. People don't like you, Mike. Some people think you have the best chance of against Trump, but that doesn't mean they like you....
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Here's an interesting thought. This, I fully admit, is hypothetical, but I like to get these thoughts down anyway:
There seems to be a wide spread feeling among Democratic voters that this year's Democratic primary is very frustrating. Other than the die hard fans in each camp, many of us do not feel strongly about any of the front running candidates. Most of us moderately to strongly dislike certain aspects of all or most of the candidates and many of us strongly dislike some of them altogether. Yet, when we were talking about Andrew Yang, I heard very little negative feedback about him. And that's not just here, that is in general. He seems well liked and well likeable. So why is he out of the race? I believe it is money. Sadly, in America, money wins the game. (Bloomberg may well prove to be the exception.)
So my wild assed hypothesis is this: If every registered Democrat in America had made a one time donation of $10 to Andrew Yang's campaign, I believe he would be leading the pack. True, he did not do well in the last debate he was in, but there were circumstances that contributed to that: he was mostly ignored by the panel and given little time, he was exhausted from a crazy hard schedule trying to raise many and he also had to make more appearances than the others to get some exposure, and I have read that his mic was cut at times during the debate.
The man is well liked by a broad spectrum of people. If only, in a more perfect world. If only.
Fucking tone-deaf. He (or really, his staff) is trying to be like Trump with tweets like this. The difference is that Republican voters liked Trump and liked seeing him cut down likes of Cruz, Bush, and Rubio. People don't like you, Mike. Some people think you have the best chance of against Trump, but that doesn't mean they like you....
Fucking tone-deaf. He (or really, his staff) is trying to be like Trump with tweets like this. The difference is that Republican voters liked Trump and liked seeing him cut down likes of Cruz, Bush, and Rubio. People don't like you, Mike. Some people think you have the best chance of against Trump, but that doesn't mean they like you....
I'll give ya "somewhat funny," but not "hilarious." Either way, to have such a miserable debate yesterday, cherry-pick this moment, and have your staff create a Trumpian meme out of it just isn't the best look.
I just think the Dems would be well-served to have his money, but better off without him in the race. Like if he was backing Biden rather than running himself, that would be a good thing for the Dems.
I just think the Dems would be well-served to have his money, but better off without him in the race. Like if he was backing Biden rather than running himself, that would be a good thing for the Dems.
Biden is the one person in the race that would be completely run over by Trump in debates.
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Here's an interesting thought. This, I fully admit, is hypothetical, but I like to get these thoughts down anyway:
There seems to be a wide spread feeling among Democratic voters that this year's Democratic primary is very frustrating. Other than the die hard fans in each camp, many of us do not feel strongly about any of the front running candidates. Most of us moderately to strongly dislike certain aspects of all or most of the candidates and many of us strongly dislike some of them altogether. Yet, when we were talking about Andrew Yang, I heard very little negative feedback about him. And that's not just here, that is in general. He seems well liked and well likeable. So why is he out of the race? I believe it is money. Sadly, in America, money wins the game. (Bloomberg may well prove to be the exception.)
So my wild assed hypothesis is this: If every registered Democrat in America had made a one time donation of $10 to Andrew Yang's campaign, I believe he would be leading the pack. True, he did not do well in the last debate he was in, but there were circumstances that contributed to that: he was mostly ignored by the panel and given little time, he was exhausted from a crazy hard schedule trying to raise many and he also had to make more appearances than the others to get some exposure, and I have read that his mic was cut at times during the debate.
The man is well liked by a broad spectrum of people. If only, in a more perfect world. If only.
I think people are panicking because of the (perceived or real) desperation to make sure Trump loses.
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I just think the Dems would be well-served to have his money, but better off without him in the race. Like if he was backing Biden rather than running himself, that would be a good thing for the Dems.
Biden is the one person in the race that would be completely run over by Trump in debates.
He is KISS on the second farewell tour
The one person? Or the most likely because he's old and stumbling and bumbling? I think Trump will bully the fuck out of all of them in the debates with the exception of Sanders. But Sanders is the guy with the polices Trump can attack the most. Really, if you could mutate Sanders' passion and speaking skills with Biden's politics, that'd be a damn good candidate.
Also, Biden, Bloomberg and Sanders are the only ones with a chance at the nomination (Biden's gets slimmer every day though). So in my hypothetical where Bloomberg just backs a candidate, he'd back Biden. He thinks, as the DNC does, that Sanders (based on his policy proposals) can't beat Trump.
I don't get Kiss references but I'll assume they sucked on their second farewell tour.
Fucking tone-deaf. He (or really, his staff) is trying to be like Trump with tweets like this. The difference is that Republican voters liked Trump and liked seeing him cut down likes of Cruz, Bush, and Rubio. People don't like you, Mike. Some people think you have the best chance of against Trump, but that doesn't mean they like you....
Fucking tone-deaf. He (or really, his staff) is trying to be like Trump with tweets like this. The difference is that Republican voters liked Trump and liked seeing him cut down likes of Cruz, Bush, and Rubio. People don't like you, Mike. Some people think you have the best chance of against Trump, but that doesn't mean they like you....
I'll give ya "somewhat funny," but not "hilarious." Either way, to have such a miserable debate yesterday, cherry-pick this moment, and have your staff create a Trumpian meme out of it just isn't the best look.
Just Bernie blowing out hot air, Warren raising hand kinda and putting it down, Biden stupid face. Nothing to do with Bloomberg but it was funny
Fucking tone-deaf. He (or really, his staff) is trying to be like Trump with tweets like this. The difference is that Republican voters liked Trump and liked seeing him cut down likes of Cruz, Bush, and Rubio. People don't like you, Mike. Some people think you have the best chance of against Trump, but that doesn't mean they like you....
Eh....I actually laughed a little out loud at this.
Well like I said to Cincybear, it's not about whether it's funny or not, it's just very, very Trumpian, and after such a miserable debate last night, just seems like a bad look.
Fucking tone-deaf. He (or really, his staff) is trying to be like Trump with tweets like this. The difference is that Republican voters liked Trump and liked seeing him cut down likes of Cruz, Bush, and Rubio. People don't like you, Mike. Some people think you have the best chance of against Trump, but that doesn't mean they like you....
Fucking tone-deaf. He (or really, his staff) is trying to be like Trump with tweets like this. The difference is that Republican voters liked Trump and liked seeing him cut down likes of Cruz, Bush, and Rubio. People don't like you, Mike. Some people think you have the best chance of against Trump, but that doesn't mean they like you....
Eh....I actually laughed a little out loud at this.
Well like I said to Cincybear, it's not about whether it's funny or not, it's just very, very Trumpian, and after such a miserable debate last night, just seems like a bad look.
I think it's exactly what he should be doing. Just because you had a bad debate, that doesn't mean you retreat and act scared. You take what you think are your stronger moments and highlight them. That's what he's doing here.
I think Cincy and me are more the kind of people in the middle who he is gunning for so I'm not surprised we both liked it.
I'd still disassociate myself with that debate entirely if I was him. But hey, sure he was portrayed as racist, misogynistic, and out-of-touch during the debate. But if a sweet meme can come of it, I guess there's some silver-lining.
Fucking tone-deaf. He (or really, his staff) is trying to be like Trump with tweets like this. The difference is that Republican voters liked Trump and liked seeing him cut down likes of Cruz, Bush, and Rubio. People don't like you, Mike. Some people think you have the best chance of against Trump, but that doesn't mean they like you....
Fucking tone-deaf. He (or really, his staff) is trying to be like Trump with tweets like this. The difference is that Republican voters liked Trump and liked seeing him cut down likes of Cruz, Bush, and Rubio. People don't like you, Mike. Some people think you have the best chance of against Trump, but that doesn't mean they like you....
I'd still disassociate myself with that debate entirely if I was him. But hey, sure he was portrayed as racist, misogynistic, and out-of-touch during the debate. But if a sweet meme can come of it, I guess there's some silver-lining.
The tweet was weak. After getting absolutely destroyed last night this is his response "I've started a business".
He should pretend like that beat down didn't even happen. "Debate? What debate?"
Fucking tone-deaf. He (or really, his staff) is trying to be like Trump with tweets like this. The difference is that Republican voters liked Trump and liked seeing him cut down likes of Cruz, Bush, and Rubio. People don't like you, Mike. Some people think you have the best chance of against Trump, but that doesn't mean they like you....
Eh....I actually laughed a little out loud at this.
Well like I said to Cincybear, it's not about whether it's funny or not, it's just very, very Trumpian, and after such a miserable debate last night, just seems like a bad look.
I think it's exactly what he should be doing. Just because you had a bad debate, that doesn't mean you retreat and act scared. You take what you think are your stronger moments and highlight them. That's what he's doing here.
I think Cincy and me are more the kind of people in the middle who he is gunning for so I'm not surprised we both liked it.
I don't necessarily disagree that he should highlight strong moments. But what was so strong about this? Did you watch it? He didn't get a great response for saying that or anything. Seems a little desperate to highlight one line that got little response.
I'm in the middle too, by the way. So much so that I can't be affiliated with either of these godforsaken political parties (though I'm formerly a Democrat). I just think Bloomberg is more of a detriment to the Dems (as a candidate) than he is the savior that many think he is. Something that comes about naturally (like Sanders' support, or Trump's support) will win out over something bought, paid for, and manufactured like Bloomberg's campaign. But I've been wrong before I guess.
Fucking tone-deaf. He (or really, his staff) is trying to be like Trump with tweets like this. The difference is that Republican voters liked Trump and liked seeing him cut down likes of Cruz, Bush, and Rubio. People don't like you, Mike. Some people think you have the best chance of against Trump, but that doesn't mean they like you....
Fucking tone-deaf. He (or really, his staff) is trying to be like Trump with tweets like this. The difference is that Republican voters liked Trump and liked seeing him cut down likes of Cruz, Bush, and Rubio. People don't like you, Mike. Some people think you have the best chance of against Trump, but that doesn't mean they like you....
Eh....I actually laughed a little out loud at this.
Why would starting a business have anything to do with being president? Where did this idea come from?
it resonated with the fools that bought trump's nonsense. he probably thinks there is an equal amount of morons on the left.
Exactly. Now the difference, in fairness to Bloomberg, is that he is actual good businessman. But perception is reality, and as you noted, Trump convinced people in 2016 that he was every bit as successful as a Bloomberg-type. So yeah, just another Trump/Bloomberg similarity. Bragging about their business success when that has nothing to do with being the president.
Fucking tone-deaf. He (or really, his staff) is trying to be like Trump with tweets like this. The difference is that Republican voters liked Trump and liked seeing him cut down likes of Cruz, Bush, and Rubio. People don't like you, Mike. Some people think you have the best chance of against Trump, but that doesn't mean they like you....
Eh....I actually laughed a little out loud at this.
Why would starting a business have anything to do with being president? Where did this idea come from?
it resonated with the fools that bought trump's nonsense. he probably thinks there is an equal amount of morons on the left.
Exactly. Now the difference, in fairness to Bloomberg, is that he is actual good businessman. But perception is reality, and as you noted, Trump convinced people in 2016 that he was every bit as successful as a Bloomberg-type. So yeah, just another Trump/Bloomberg similarity. Bragging about their business success when that has nothing to do with being the president.
“I make a killer bolognese...who else here can say that? Vote for me.”
Fucking tone-deaf. He (or really, his staff) is trying to be like Trump with tweets like this. The difference is that Republican voters liked Trump and liked seeing him cut down likes of Cruz, Bush, and Rubio. People don't like you, Mike. Some people think you have the best chance of against Trump, but that doesn't mean they like you....
Eh....I actually laughed a little out loud at this.
Why would starting a business have anything to do with being president? Where did this idea come from?
it resonated with the fools that bought trump's nonsense. he probably thinks there is an equal amount of morons on the left.
Exactly. Now the difference, in fairness to Bloomberg, is that he is actual good businessman. But perception is reality, and as you noted, Trump convinced people in 2016 that he was every bit as successful as a Bloomberg-type. So yeah, just another Trump/Bloomberg similarity. Bragging about their business success when that has nothing to do with being the president.
There is a difference.. I can tell you that New Yorkers seem to by and large like Bloomberg. He did elected three times. So he's not like Trump inasmuch as he has actual experience governing.
Fucking tone-deaf. He (or really, his staff) is trying to be like Trump with tweets like this. The difference is that Republican voters liked Trump and liked seeing him cut down likes of Cruz, Bush, and Rubio. People don't like you, Mike. Some people think you have the best chance of against Trump, but that doesn't mean they like you....
Eh....I actually laughed a little out loud at this.
Why would starting a business have anything to do with being president? Where did this idea come from?
Because he is courting all the people who thought it was a good idea to elect a businessman four years ago, but have grown unhappy with the daily destruction of our democracy. He's not targeting leftists like you. He's more concerned about beating Trump in the general...which should be sort of important.
Fucking tone-deaf. He (or really, his staff) is trying to be like Trump with tweets like this. The difference is that Republican voters liked Trump and liked seeing him cut down likes of Cruz, Bush, and Rubio. People don't like you, Mike. Some people think you have the best chance of against Trump, but that doesn't mean they like you....
Eh....I actually laughed a little out loud at this.
Why would starting a business have anything to do with being president? Where did this idea come from?
it resonated with the fools that bought trump's nonsense. he probably thinks there is an equal amount of morons on the left.
See my response above. A lot of people still think having a businessman in the White House makes sense....only this time, he is arguing that an actual successful one who doesn't take a jack hammer to our democracy on a daily basis is good alternative to Trump.
Democrats should be more focused on winning in November rather than wooing far left people by promising a bunch of stuff that has zero chance of happening right now.
Fucking tone-deaf. He (or really, his staff) is trying to be like Trump with tweets like this. The difference is that Republican voters liked Trump and liked seeing him cut down likes of Cruz, Bush, and Rubio. People don't like you, Mike. Some people think you have the best chance of against Trump, but that doesn't mean they like you....
Eh....I actually laughed a little out loud at this.
Why would starting a business have anything to do with being president? Where did this idea come from?
it resonated with the fools that bought trump's nonsense. he probably thinks there is an equal amount of morons on the left.
Exactly. Now the difference, in fairness to Bloomberg, is that he is actual good businessman. But perception is reality, and as you noted, Trump convinced people in 2016 that he was every bit as successful as a Bloomberg-type. So yeah, just another Trump/Bloomberg similarity. Bragging about their business success when that has nothing to do with being the president.
There is a difference.. I can tell you that New Yorkers seem to by and large like Bloomberg. He did elected three times. So he's not like Trump inasmuch as he has actual experience governing.
I guess I mean that I find them similar as people: Out-of-touch, elitist, questionable stances on race and women...stuff like that. But yeah, the resumes couldn't be more different. Bloomberg has governing experience as you mentioned, actual success in business, and he's a philanthropist (as opposed to Trump who steals from his own charity). But I don't know how far that'll take him in this campaign.
Fucking tone-deaf. He (or really, his staff) is trying to be like Trump with tweets like this. The difference is that Republican voters liked Trump and liked seeing him cut down likes of Cruz, Bush, and Rubio. People don't like you, Mike. Some people think you have the best chance of against Trump, but that doesn't mean they like you....
Eh....I actually laughed a little out loud at this.
Why would starting a business have anything to do with being president? Where did this idea come from?
it resonated with the fools that bought trump's nonsense. he probably thinks there is an equal amount of morons on the left.
See my response above. A lot of people still think having a businessman in the White House makes sense....only this time, he is arguing that an actual successful one who doesn't take a jack hammer to our democracy on a daily basis is good alternative to Trump.
Democrats should be more focused on winning in November rather than wooing far left people by promising a bunch of stuff that has zero chance of happening right now.
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Excellent summation, Juggler. Very much as how I saw it all go down as well.
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Also, Biden, Bloomberg and Sanders are the only ones with a chance at the nomination (Biden's gets slimmer every day though). So in my hypothetical where Bloomberg just backs a candidate, he'd back Biden. He thinks, as the DNC does, that Sanders (based on his policy proposals) can't beat Trump.
I don't get Kiss references but I'll assume they sucked on their second farewell tour.
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I think Cincy and me are more the kind of people in the middle who he is gunning for so I'm not surprised we both liked it.
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But will it really affect the ones who makes him reach 15% in polls because they remember his name from daytime ads?
He should pretend like that beat down didn't even happen. "Debate? What debate?"
I'm in the middle too, by the way. So much so that I can't be affiliated with either of these godforsaken political parties (though I'm formerly a Democrat). I just think Bloomberg is more of a detriment to the Dems (as a candidate) than he is the savior that many think he is. Something that comes about naturally (like Sanders' support, or Trump's support) will win out over something bought, paid for, and manufactured like Bloomberg's campaign. But I've been wrong before I guess.
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Democrats should be more focused on winning in November rather than wooing far left people by promising a bunch of stuff that has zero chance of happening right now.
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