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  • Toronto, ON Posts: 9,367
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
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    Seems to like us. 

     


    And he really likes jewish people bombing children and hospitals:

    https://www.cbsnews.com/video/michael-bloomberg-proportional-response-not-required-of-israel/

    I'm not saying this sarcastically, but I would genuinely appreciate it if you referred to Israelis as Israelis and Jews as Jews. The monsters in charge of that country do not represent the Jewish voice, nor is the Israeli voice monolithic, nor is the Jewish voice monolithic. While Israelis deserve criticism every time they vote in alignment with Netanyahu, I'm not sure why all of a sudden it's 'my people' when Israeli leadership bombs children and hospitals. I didn't vote those assholes in. 
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    edited February 2020
    benjs said:
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    I'm not saying this sarcastically, but I would genuinely appreciate it if you referred to Israelis as Israelis and Jews as Jews. The monsters in charge of that country do not represent the Jewish voice, nor is the Israeli voice monolithic, nor is the Jewish voice monolithic. While Israelis deserve criticism every time they vote in alignment with Netanyahu, I'm not sure why all of a sudden it's 'my people' when Israeli leadership bombs children and hospitals. I didn't vote those assholes in. 
    Wouldn't help make my post work better than how I worded it.

    In this context. 
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  • Toronto, ON Posts: 9,367
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
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    Wouldn't help make my post work better than how I worded it.

    In this context. 
    Fine, so continue to omit nuance and present Jewish people as bombers of childrens and hospitals instead of Israeli military as bombers of children and hospitals. You're just being a dick now.
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    edited February 2020
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    Fine, so continue to omit nuance and present Jewish people as bombers of childrens and hospitals instead of Israeli military as bombers of children and hospitals. You're just being a dick now.
    No, I am not.

    But you are painting with a really weird general brush now because of one specific post worded as it was because of context.

    Maybe you should reread our posts in this thread and understand why sometimes things are worded as they are, instead of going for this angry attack on me and my ability to nuance. I guess because of you being overly precious. Or clutching for straws to attack.

    The whole point was to put down Bloomberg. So reread the posts would be my advice. 
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  • Toronto, ON Posts: 9,367
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
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    No, I am not.

    But you are painting with a really weird general brush now because of one specific post worded as it was because of context.

    Maybe you should reread our posts in this thread and understand why sometimes things are worded as they are, instead of going for this angry attack on me and my ability to nuance. I guess because of you being overly precious. Or clutching for straws to attack.
    SC, what to you is a simple word - is to me a reality that many people attribute Israel's racist actions to every single Jew on the planet because of this happening time and time again, aided by the Israeli government themselves, who have the nerve (chutzpah, you might say) to represent themselves as the authority on what's right for, or supported by, the Jewish people. To you it's a word - to me it's the specifics of Israeli events graffitied on synagogues and knocked-over tombstones in Jewish cemeteries next to "Nazis were right", or the bomb threats we evacuated for regularly in my youth at a Jewish day school in Canada.
    I can tell you straight away I'm not defending Jews or Israel - I'm not sure I'd say I have much respect left for either. What I'm saying is that it's pretty clear to see that the more the false equivalence between Jews and Israelis exist, especially as it pertains to the disgusting actions of the Israeli government, the more violence against Jews around the world reappears. People suffer because of this. All I'm asking is if you will please stop being a perpetuator of this false equivalence. 
    On the particulars of the wording of your comment above, if you can't see how it could be construed as needlessly harmful and an inappropriate attribution of an action from one party onto another, then I don't feel we'll understand each others' perspectives in this conversation, and I'd respectfully ask that we drop it and move on in either case. All of this aside, I'm sorry for being rude before, I definitely got fired up.
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    benjs said:
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    Fine, so continue to omit nuance and present Jewish people as bombers of childrens and hospitals instead of Israeli military as bombers of children and hospitals. You're just being a dick now.
    It’s ok cause it’s jews. But remember all Muslims are not terrorists. 

    All christians are awful though. AMT do I have this right? I’ve been paying attention for years.
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    cincybearcat said:
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    It’s ok cause it’s jews. But remember all Muslims are not terrorists. 

    All christians are awful though. AMT do I have this right? I’ve been paying attention for years.
    Spot on 
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  • this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,808
    SC, this seems like a basic fucking request.  Have some decency.

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  • New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    F Me In The Brain said:
    SC, this seems like a basic fucking request.  Have some decency.

    +1
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    cincybearcat said:
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    It’s ok cause it’s jews. But remember all Muslims are not terrorists. 

    All christians are awful though. AMT do I have this right? I’ve been paying attention for years.
    You responding to benj's post addressing me, implies that I believe what exactly.(?)... that all jews bomb hospitals? 

    Please explain your confusing post. @mcgruff10 said it was "spot on" but it sure doesn't seem like it.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Posts: 31,460
    F Me In The Brain said:
    SC, this seems like a basic fucking request.  Have some decency.

    mcgruff10 said:
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    +1
    Where lies this lack of "decency"?

    And mcgruff with his, and I'm paraphrasing form the Isarel thread, "It was okey to fuck people over in the area to establish Israel because the people down there are only fighting anyways" maybe should take a backseat in any discussion regarding that nation.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    I love Bloomberg.  Always have.

    Heard a rumor report that he wants Hillary to be his running mate.  If that is true then he loses all credibility with me and will be voting elsewhere.
    Not for a second...some GOP operative is making a career over floating rumors about Hillary inserting herself somewhere.
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  • New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
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    Where lies this lack of "decency"?

    And mcgruff with his, and I'm paraphrasing form the Isarel thread, "It was okey to fuck people over in the area to establish Israel because the people down there are only fighting anyways" maybe should take a backseat in any discussion regarding that nation.
    This is where you say “my bad” to Ben and move on.  
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  • this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,808
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
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    Where lies this lack of "decency"?

    And mcgruff with his, and I'm paraphrasing form the Isarel thread, "It was okey to fuck people over in the area to establish Israel because the people down there are only fighting anyways" maybe should take a backseat in any discussion regarding that nation.
    So a person shares that what you are saying is not only incorrect in putting all Jewish people in with Israel's actions but that it is upsetting to him.
    Instead of saying something like "yeah, I can separate a Jew from the actions of the govt of Israel" instead you just pound ahead with your bullshit 

    Hey, if you don't get it that is fine.  There is nothing lost in translation, here.  You keep being you.
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    edited February 2020
    benjs said:
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    SC, what to you is a simple word - is to me a reality that many people attribute Israel's racist actions to every single Jew on the planet because of this happening time and time again, aided by the Israeli government themselves, who have the nerve (chutzpah, you might say) to represent themselves as the authority on what's right for, or supported by, the Jewish people. To you it's a word - to me it's the specifics of Israeli events graffitied on synagogues and knocked-over tombstones in Jewish cemeteries next to "Nazis were right", or the bomb threats we evacuated for regularly in my youth at a Jewish day school in Canada.
    I can tell you straight away I'm not defending Jews or Israel - I'm not sure I'd say I have much respect left for either. What I'm saying is that it's pretty clear to see that the more the false equivalence between Jews and Israelis exist, especially as it pertains to the disgusting actions of the Israeli government, the more violence against Jews around the world reappears. People suffer because of this. All I'm asking is if you will please stop being a perpetuator of this false equivalence. 
    On the particulars of the wording of your comment above, if you can't see how it could be construed as needlessly harmful and an inappropriate attribution of an action from one party onto another, then I don't feel we'll understand each others' perspectives in this conversation, and I'd respectfully ask that we drop it and move on in either case. All of this aside, I'm sorry for being rude before, I definitely got fired up.
    You wrote: I've heard Bloomberg hates jews  (as a joke)

    I wrote: No he likes jews when they do terrible thing. (as a joke)

    The point obviously being that Bloomberg is a POS defending murdering children, and the focus and point of the post being Bloomberg. 

    It doesn't say people if they are jewish bomb hospitals. It is not a comment on jewish people. It is a comment on Bloomberg.


    If you wrote: I've hard Bloomberg hates people from Seattle

    And there was a quote from Bloomberg defending the Green River Killer. 

    And I wrote: No, he likes them if they murder prostitutes.


    That would not be a comment on people from Seattle. Or saying that all people from Seattle murder and dump prostitutes in the woods.  But a joke about Bloomberg being a POS.

    I did not mean to disparage people for being jewish. And I do not believe what I wrote does that. But, I am sorry if that is how you interpreted it. It was not my intent.
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    Gern Blansten said:
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    Not for a second...some GOP operative is making a career over floating rumors about Hillary inserting herself somewhere.
    Yeah isn’t it interesting that the source went to Drudge and that’s been his headline for 2 days now?
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    F Me In The Brain said:
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    So a person shares that what you are saying is not only incorrect in putting all Jewish people in with Israel's actions but that it is upsetting to him.
    Instead of saying something like "yeah, I can separate a Jew from the actions of the govt of Israel" instead you just pound ahead with your bullshit 

    Hey, if you don't get it that is fine.  There is nothing lost in translation, here.  You keep being you.
    1. I have not put all jewish people in with Israel's actions.

    2. I have not pound ahead with any bullshit. 

    3. And that has nothing to do with me not respecting Benjs or anything to that nature. 

    4. You keep being you.
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  • Toronto, ON Posts: 9,367
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
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    You wrote: I've heard Bloomberg hates jews  (as a joke)

    I wrote: No he likes jews when they do terrible thing. (as a joke)

    The point obviously being that Bloomberg is a POS defending murdering children, and the focus and point of the post being Bloomberg. 

    It doesn't say people if they are jewish bomb hospitals. It is not a comment on jewish people. It is a comment on Bloomberg.


    If you wrote: I've hard Bloomberg hates people from Seattle

    And there was a quote from Bloomberg defending the Green River Killer. 

    And I wrote: No, he likes them if they murder prostitutes.


    That would not be a comment on people from Seattle. Or saying that all people from Seattle murder and dump prostitutes in the woods.  But a joke about Bloomberg being a POS.

    This sounds to me, like when you went all aggressive when i posted a Bernie-video saying that if the last line in the video didn't make you vote Bernie you were not human. And the last line was Bernie namedropping the movie A Nightmare on Elm Street. But you completely missed the point of it being a joke and instead went all in attacking.

    I did not mean to disparage people for being jewish. And I do not believe what I wrote does that. But, I am sorry if that is how you interpreted it. It was not my intent.
    See your response above in bold. I thought it was abundantly clear that was what I had opposition with - conflating 'Jew' with 'Israeli'. I explained rationally why I would prefer if you were more precise with your wording because of the harm that false equivalence has caused historically and continues to cause. My comment was about YOUR words, not Bloomberg's. In that entire video, it didn't attribute bombing hospitals to Jews, it attributed it to Israelis. You didn't follow suit.

    If you'd like to continue to play the game of taking everything far too many levels deep than needed, and either missing or intentionally obfuscating and moving the marker away from my point, then by all means, enjoy doing so with someone else.
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    edited February 2020
    benjs said:
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    See your response above in bold. I thought it was abundantly clear that was what I had opposition with - conflating 'Jew' with 'Israeli'. I explained rationally why I would prefer if you were more precise with your wording because of the harm that false equivalence has caused historically and continues to cause. My comment was about YOUR words, not Bloomberg's. In that entire video, it didn't attribute bombing hospitals to Jews, it attributed it to Israelis. You didn't follow suit.

    If you'd like to continue to play the game of taking everything far too many levels deep than needed, and either missing or intentionally obfuscating and moving the marker away from my point, then by all means, enjoy doing so with someone else.
    So, how would you have worded my post/joke? 
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