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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,809
    oftenreading said:
    People don’t talk about Sanders?

    News to me. 
    Yup that’s what the Bernie Bros say. Of course they are about as truthful as a trump.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,444
    edited February 2020
    cincybearcat said:
    oftenreading said:
    People don’t talk about Sanders?

    News to me. 
    Yup that’s what the Bernie Bros say. Of course they are about as truthful as a trump.
    Better than the Pete Pals with their blinders on and their smearing. About as truthful as a trump.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    oftenreading said:
    People don’t talk about Sanders?

    News to me. 
    Yup that’s what the Bernie Bros say. Of course they are about as truthful as a trump.
    Better than the Pete Pals with their blinders on and their smearing. About as truthful as a trump.
    Guten tag Herr Goebbels.
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,359
    ecdanc said:
    A thought experiment: imagine the election was Trump v. Someone you personally think is worse than Trump (an almost unfathomable monster). Would you vote for Trump?
    I would. I don't think it's wise to allow more evil into power than one has to, and when the risk is as great to the nation as a whole (and really the world based on existing global power dynamics), the realities are as ugly as they are, and the division is this great - I don't believe a protest vote to make reforms to the political structure would have enough odds of success to justify that risk. Out of curiosity, what moral inconsistency are you trying to catch people in the act on with this one? 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,444
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    oftenreading said:
    People don’t talk about Sanders?

    News to me. 
    Yup that’s what the Bernie Bros say. Of course they are about as truthful as a trump.
    Better than the Pete Pals with their blinders on and their smearing. About as truthful as a trump.
    Guten tag Herr Goebbels.
    ?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    oftenreading said:
    People don’t talk about Sanders?

    News to me. 
    Yup that’s what the Bernie Bros say. Of course they are about as truthful as a trump.
    Better than the Pete Pals with their blinders on and their smearing. About as truthful as a trump.
    Guten tag Herr Goebbels.
    ?
    You're all propaganda,  all the time. You're the official minister here. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,444

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,809
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    oftenreading said:
    People don’t talk about Sanders?

    News to me. 
    Yup that’s what the Bernie Bros say. Of course they are about as truthful as a trump.
    Better than the Pete Pals with their blinders on and their smearing. About as truthful as a trump.
    What is weird is you not believing violent Bernie Bros when Bernie himself has addressed this issue recently. Read much?
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    The more I read about Amy the more I like her. I don’t think the time is now for Pete but I think he would be a great vp candidate.  If  Biden does slip further away I would like to see Amy/ Pete for the dem ticket.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mickeyrat
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  • darwinstheory
    darwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 7,344
    mcgruff10 said:
    The more I read about Amy the more I like her. I don’t think the time is now for Pete but I think he would be a great vp candidate.  If  Biden does slip further away I would like to see Amy/ Pete for the dem ticket.  
    Pete / Amy and you have a deal. I believe the undecideds will loom HUGE this election and I think the debates will shape many opinions. I think Pete and Amy the only two candidates that could go toe to toe in a debate with the Orange Anus. Anyone other than one of these two, and the dems are absolutely screwed. They may very well be screwed anyhow. 
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,652
    darwinstheory said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The more I read about Amy the more I like her. I don’t think the time is now for Pete but I think he would be a great vp candidate.  If  Biden does slip further away I would like to see Amy/ Pete for the dem ticket.  
    Pete / Amy and you have a deal. I believe the undecideds will loom HUGE this election and I think the debates will shape many opinions. I think Pete and Amy the only two candidates that could go toe to toe in a debate with the Orange Anus. Anyone other than one of these two, and the dems are absolutely screwed. They may very well be screwed anyhow. 

    I would be plenty fine with that though I think the reverse, Amy/Pete, would have a better chance at beating Trump.  Reasons why I think that:
    1.  America is not ready for a gay president.  You and I might be, but not America.  VP?  Probably/hopefully.
    2.  Amy has a good shot at capturing more of the moderate vote and Midwest vote but is also well liked in the more liberal states.
    3.  Experience.  Amy tops Pete, hands down.

    Please know, Darwin, my intent here is not to be argumentative.  I like Pete a lot.  But my biggest concern by far is get get Trump the hell out of the White House.  That's my number 1 concern this year, big time!
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,444
    brianlux said:
    darwinstheory said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The more I read about Amy the more I like her. I don’t think the time is now for Pete but I think he would be a great vp candidate.  If  Biden does slip further away I would like to see Amy/ Pete for the dem ticket.  
    Pete / Amy and you have a deal. I believe the undecideds will loom HUGE this election and I think the debates will shape many opinions. I think Pete and Amy the only two candidates that could go toe to toe in a debate with the Orange Anus. Anyone other than one of these two, and the dems are absolutely screwed. They may very well be screwed anyhow. 

    I would be plenty fine with that though I think the reverse, Amy/Pete, would have a better chance at beating Trump.  Reasons why I think that:
    1.  America is not ready for a gay president.  You and I might be, but not America.  VP?  Probably/hopefully.
    2.  Amy has a good shot at capturing more of the moderate vote and Midwest vote but is also well liked in the more liberal states.
    3.  Experience.  Amy tops Pete, hands down.

    Please know, Darwin, my intent here is not to be argumentative.  I like Pete a lot.  But my biggest concern by far is get get Trump the hell out of the White House.  That's my number 1 concern this year, big time!
    Experience.... but she doesn't know the name of your neighboring countries president who is also your biggest(?) trade partner? 


    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,652
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    brianlux said:
    darwinstheory said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The more I read about Amy the more I like her. I don’t think the time is now for Pete but I think he would be a great vp candidate.  If  Biden does slip further away I would like to see Amy/ Pete for the dem ticket.  
    Pete / Amy and you have a deal. I believe the undecideds will loom HUGE this election and I think the debates will shape many opinions. I think Pete and Amy the only two candidates that could go toe to toe in a debate with the Orange Anus. Anyone other than one of these two, and the dems are absolutely screwed. They may very well be screwed anyhow. 

    I would be plenty fine with that though I think the reverse, Amy/Pete, would have a better chance at beating Trump.  Reasons why I think that:
    1.  America is not ready for a gay president.  You and I might be, but not America.  VP?  Probably/hopefully.
    2.  Amy has a good shot at capturing more of the moderate vote and Midwest vote but is also well liked in the more liberal states.
    3.  Experience.  Amy tops Pete, hands down.

    Please know, Darwin, my intent here is not to be argumentative.  I like Pete a lot.  But my biggest concern by far is get get Trump the hell out of the White House.  That's my number 1 concern this year, big time!
    Experience.... but she doesn't know the name of your neighboring countries president who is also your biggest(?) trade partner? 



    I'll bet she knows it now, LOL.  But you cannot base total overall experience on one isolated example.  To do so would not be logical. 
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,359
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    brianlux said:
    darwinstheory said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The more I read about Amy the more I like her. I don’t think the time is now for Pete but I think he would be a great vp candidate.  If  Biden does slip further away I would like to see Amy/ Pete for the dem ticket.  
    Pete / Amy and you have a deal. I believe the undecideds will loom HUGE this election and I think the debates will shape many opinions. I think Pete and Amy the only two candidates that could go toe to toe in a debate with the Orange Anus. Anyone other than one of these two, and the dems are absolutely screwed. They may very well be screwed anyhow. 

    I would be plenty fine with that though I think the reverse, Amy/Pete, would have a better chance at beating Trump.  Reasons why I think that:
    1.  America is not ready for a gay president.  You and I might be, but not America.  VP?  Probably/hopefully.
    2.  Amy has a good shot at capturing more of the moderate vote and Midwest vote but is also well liked in the more liberal states.
    3.  Experience.  Amy tops Pete, hands down.

    Please know, Darwin, my intent here is not to be argumentative.  I like Pete a lot.  But my biggest concern by far is get get Trump the hell out of the White House.  That's my number 1 concern this year, big time!
    Experience.... but she doesn't know the name of your neighboring countries president who is also your biggest(?) trade partner? 


    Of all the banal things you could pick, forgetting a person's name (yes, even for a foreign leader) is exactly the sort of top-grade bullshit that shouldn't have any bearing in determining who the next POTUS is. After debates, a POTUS reserves the right to set the context of what they choose to talk about, when, how, and they have the option of a script if they're giving press briefings (remember those?).

    POTUSes themselves are extensively briefed about that topic (as opposed to 'all' before these debates) to prevent such gaffes.
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    EV
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,444
    edited February 2020
    benjs said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    brianlux said:
    darwinstheory said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The more I read about Amy the more I like her. I don’t think the time is now for Pete but I think he would be a great vp candidate.  If  Biden does slip further away I would like to see Amy/ Pete for the dem ticket.  
    Pete / Amy and you have a deal. I believe the undecideds will loom HUGE this election and I think the debates will shape many opinions. I think Pete and Amy the only two candidates that could go toe to toe in a debate with the Orange Anus. Anyone other than one of these two, and the dems are absolutely screwed. They may very well be screwed anyhow. 

    I would be plenty fine with that though I think the reverse, Amy/Pete, would have a better chance at beating Trump.  Reasons why I think that:
    1.  America is not ready for a gay president.  You and I might be, but not America.  VP?  Probably/hopefully.
    2.  Amy has a good shot at capturing more of the moderate vote and Midwest vote but is also well liked in the more liberal states.
    3.  Experience.  Amy tops Pete, hands down.

    Please know, Darwin, my intent here is not to be argumentative.  I like Pete a lot.  But my biggest concern by far is get get Trump the hell out of the White House.  That's my number 1 concern this year, big time!
    Experience.... but she doesn't know the name of your neighboring countries president who is also your biggest(?) trade partner? 


    Of all the banal things you could pick, forgetting a person's name (yes, even for a foreign leader) is exactly the sort of top-grade bullshit that shouldn't have any bearing in determining who the next POTUS is. After debates, a POTUS reserves the right to set the context of what they choose to talk about, when, how, and they have the option of a script if they're giving press briefings (remember those?).

    POTUSes themselves are extensively briefed about that topic (as opposed to 'all' before these debates) to prevent such gaffes.
    I would not call this specific "gaffe" "banal".

    And boiling it down to "who cares", they will get briefed on the name of the leader of their neighbouring country is... yeah....

    EDIT: But I just posted something to have a bit fun with Brians experience-argument. You going all crazy calling it "top-grade bullshit" I find a bit weird.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,359
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    benjs said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    brianlux said:
    darwinstheory said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The more I read about Amy the more I like her. I don’t think the time is now for Pete but I think he would be a great vp candidate.  If  Biden does slip further away I would like to see Amy/ Pete for the dem ticket.  
    Pete / Amy and you have a deal. I believe the undecideds will loom HUGE this election and I think the debates will shape many opinions. I think Pete and Amy the only two candidates that could go toe to toe in a debate with the Orange Anus. Anyone other than one of these two, and the dems are absolutely screwed. They may very well be screwed anyhow. 

    I would be plenty fine with that though I think the reverse, Amy/Pete, would have a better chance at beating Trump.  Reasons why I think that:
    1.  America is not ready for a gay president.  You and I might be, but not America.  VP?  Probably/hopefully.
    2.  Amy has a good shot at capturing more of the moderate vote and Midwest vote but is also well liked in the more liberal states.
    3.  Experience.  Amy tops Pete, hands down.

    Please know, Darwin, my intent here is not to be argumentative.  I like Pete a lot.  But my biggest concern by far is get get Trump the hell out of the White House.  That's my number 1 concern this year, big time!
    Experience.... but she doesn't know the name of your neighboring countries president who is also your biggest(?) trade partner? 


    Of all the banal things you could pick, forgetting a person's name (yes, even for a foreign leader) is exactly the sort of top-grade bullshit that shouldn't have any bearing in determining who the next POTUS is. After debates, a POTUS reserves the right to set the context of what they choose to talk about, when, how, and they have the option of a script if they're giving press briefings (remember those?).

    POTUSes themselves are extensively briefed about that topic (as opposed to 'all' before these debates) to prevent such gaffes.
    I would not call this specific "gaffe" "banal".

    And boiling it down to "who cares", they will get briefed on the name of the leader of their neighbouring country is... yeah....
    Then we disagree, and I'm fine with that.

    Some fear a President who doesn't know the Mexican President's name by heart. Others fear a President whose unwillingness to compromise, and whose policies are opposed by a majority of Senators, lead to no positive change being created. Guess we all have different priorities or predictions of what happens next.
    '05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2

    EV
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,359
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    benjs said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    brianlux said:
    darwinstheory said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The more I read about Amy the more I like her. I don’t think the time is now for Pete but I think he would be a great vp candidate.  If  Biden does slip further away I would like to see Amy/ Pete for the dem ticket.  
    Pete / Amy and you have a deal. I believe the undecideds will loom HUGE this election and I think the debates will shape many opinions. I think Pete and Amy the only two candidates that could go toe to toe in a debate with the Orange Anus. Anyone other than one of these two, and the dems are absolutely screwed. They may very well be screwed anyhow. 

    I would be plenty fine with that though I think the reverse, Amy/Pete, would have a better chance at beating Trump.  Reasons why I think that:
    1.  America is not ready for a gay president.  You and I might be, but not America.  VP?  Probably/hopefully.
    2.  Amy has a good shot at capturing more of the moderate vote and Midwest vote but is also well liked in the more liberal states.
    3.  Experience.  Amy tops Pete, hands down.

    Please know, Darwin, my intent here is not to be argumentative.  I like Pete a lot.  But my biggest concern by far is get get Trump the hell out of the White House.  That's my number 1 concern this year, big time!
    Experience.... but she doesn't know the name of your neighboring countries president who is also your biggest(?) trade partner? 


    Of all the banal things you could pick, forgetting a person's name (yes, even for a foreign leader) is exactly the sort of top-grade bullshit that shouldn't have any bearing in determining who the next POTUS is. After debates, a POTUS reserves the right to set the context of what they choose to talk about, when, how, and they have the option of a script if they're giving press briefings (remember those?).

    POTUSes themselves are extensively briefed about that topic (as opposed to 'all' before these debates) to prevent such gaffes.
    I would not call this specific "gaffe" "banal".

    And boiling it down to "who cares", they will get briefed on the name of the leader of their neighbouring country is... yeah....

    EDIT: But I just posted something to have a bit fun with Brians experience-argument. You going all crazy calling it "top-grade bullshit" I find a bit weird.
    I find it a bit weird when you come on here and attempt to 'educate' with out-of-context short video clips and sarcastic Twitter comments, when you double-down on criticisms about non-Bernie candidates and deflect or trivialize on criticisms about him, and when you suggest I'm going 'all crazy' like you haven't been doing this for over a year. Isn't the world magical, how we can look at the same happening and have gotten such different perspectives out of it?
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    EV
    Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,444
    edited February 2020
    benjs said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    benjs said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    brianlux said:
    darwinstheory said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The more I read about Amy the more I like her. I don’t think the time is now for Pete but I think he would be a great vp candidate.  If  Biden does slip further away I would like to see Amy/ Pete for the dem ticket.  
    Pete / Amy and you have a deal. I believe the undecideds will loom HUGE this election and I think the debates will shape many opinions. I think Pete and Amy the only two candidates that could go toe to toe in a debate with the Orange Anus. Anyone other than one of these two, and the dems are absolutely screwed. They may very well be screwed anyhow. 

    I would be plenty fine with that though I think the reverse, Amy/Pete, would have a better chance at beating Trump.  Reasons why I think that:
    1.  America is not ready for a gay president.  You and I might be, but not America.  VP?  Probably/hopefully.
    2.  Amy has a good shot at capturing more of the moderate vote and Midwest vote but is also well liked in the more liberal states.
    3.  Experience.  Amy tops Pete, hands down.

    Please know, Darwin, my intent here is not to be argumentative.  I like Pete a lot.  But my biggest concern by far is get get Trump the hell out of the White House.  That's my number 1 concern this year, big time!
    Experience.... but she doesn't know the name of your neighboring countries president who is also your biggest(?) trade partner? 


    Of all the banal things you could pick, forgetting a person's name (yes, even for a foreign leader) is exactly the sort of top-grade bullshit that shouldn't have any bearing in determining who the next POTUS is. After debates, a POTUS reserves the right to set the context of what they choose to talk about, when, how, and they have the option of a script if they're giving press briefings (remember those?).

    POTUSes themselves are extensively briefed about that topic (as opposed to 'all' before these debates) to prevent such gaffes.
    I would not call this specific "gaffe" "banal".

    And boiling it down to "who cares", they will get briefed on the name of the leader of their neighbouring country is... yeah....
    Then we disagree, and I'm fine with that.

    Some fear a President who doesn't know the Mexican President's name by heart. Others fear a President whose unwillingness to compromise, and whose policies are opposed by a majority of Senators, lead to no positive change being created. Guess we all have different priorities or predictions of what happens next.
    Yes.

    And, get some more Social Democrats/Democratic socialists/levelheaded people elected into the senate and the house and you don't have to worry so much.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    edited February 2020
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    brianlux said:
    darwinstheory said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The more I read about Amy the more I like her. I don’t think the time is now for Pete but I think he would be a great vp candidate.  If  Biden does slip further away I would like to see Amy/ Pete for the dem ticket.  
    Pete / Amy and you have a deal. I believe the undecideds will loom HUGE this election and I think the debates will shape many opinions. I think Pete and Amy the only two candidates that could go toe to toe in a debate with the Orange Anus. Anyone other than one of these two, and the dems are absolutely screwed. They may very well be screwed anyhow. 

    I would be plenty fine with that though I think the reverse, Amy/Pete, would have a better chance at beating Trump.  Reasons why I think that:
    1.  America is not ready for a gay president.  You and I might be, but not America.  VP?  Probably/hopefully.
    2.  Amy has a good shot at capturing more of the moderate vote and Midwest vote but is also well liked in the more liberal states.
    3.  Experience.  Amy tops Pete, hands down.

    Please know, Darwin, my intent here is not to be argumentative.  I like Pete a lot.  But my biggest concern by far is get get Trump the hell out of the White House.  That's my number 1 concern this year, big time!
    Experience.... but she doesn't know the name of your neighboring countries president who is also your biggest(?) trade partner? 


    What does this question even measure their understanding about?  Who cares if they don’t know the name?  However I would be worried if they had no answer about border security or trade with Mexico.  

    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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