The Democratic Presidential Debates

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

A thought experiment: imagine the election was Trump v. Someone you personally think is worse than Trump (an almost unfathomable monster). Would you vote for Trump?

It's a difficult question because as much as I'm against his policies,  his moral turpitude is worse.  If Trump was still a Democrat, with this exact level of dishonesty,  divisiveness,  etc., and he ran against Romney or Kasich, I would vote Republican in a second. 

And if it were Trump v. Stalin?

That's kind of silly, but no I would not vote for the guy that purged his generals, set up the gulags and committed genocide against 7-10 million Ukrainians including my own extended family.  Feels like an easy choice.  

So you’d vote for Trump?

Well there could be a third party,  I could be traveling for work or Mephistopheles might jump in at the last moment.  You've migrated into silliness. 

So you accept the logical and moral validity of not voting for Bloomberg, Buttigieg, etc. 

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

A thought experiment: imagine the election was Trump v. Someone you personally think is worse than Trump (an almost unfathomable monster). Would you vote for Trump?

It's a difficult question because as much as I'm against his policies,  his moral turpitude is worse.  If Trump was still a Democrat, with this exact level of dishonesty,  divisiveness,  etc., and he ran against Romney or Kasich, I would vote Republican in a second. 

And if it were Trump v. Stalin?

That's kind of silly, but no I would not vote for the guy that purged his generals, set up the gulags and committed genocide against 7-10 million Ukrainians including my own extended family.  Feels like an easy choice.  

So you’d vote for Trump?

Well there could be a third party,  I could be traveling for work or Mephistopheles might jump in at the last moment.  You've migrated into silliness. 

So you accept the logical and moral validity of not voting for Bloomberg, Buttigieg, etc. 

No, because the comparisons you drew were stupid. But at the end of the day, I don't care if you vote or not nor have I spent a moment reflecting on your personal decisions to vote or not to vote for the D candidate.  I could not care less.  

So you’re moralistically grandstanding. 

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

A thought experiment: imagine the election was Trump v. Someone you personally think is worse than Trump (an almost unfathomable monster). Would you vote for Trump?

It's a difficult question because as much as I'm against his policies,  his moral turpitude is worse.  If Trump was still a Democrat, with this exact level of dishonesty,  divisiveness,  etc., and he ran against Romney or Kasich, I would vote Republican in a second. 

And if it were Trump v. Stalin?

That's kind of silly, but no I would not vote for the guy that purged his generals, set up the gulags and committed genocide against 7-10 million Ukrainians including my own extended family.  Feels like an easy choice.  

So you’d vote for Trump?

Well there could be a third party,  I could be traveling for work or Mephistopheles might jump in at the last moment.  You've migrated into silliness. 

So you accept the logical and moral validity of not voting for Bloomberg, Buttigieg, etc. 

No, because the comparisons you drew were stupid. But at the end of the day, I don't care if you vote or not nor have I spent a moment reflecting on your personal decisions to vote or not to vote for the D candidate.  I could not care less.  

So you’re moralistically grandstanding. 

You're comparing Pete to Stalin.  That's absurd.  

Wow, you really missed the point on this one. 

You couldn't bring yourself to say you'd vote for Trump, even if he was running against Stalin. Presumably, that's because you find Trump so repugnant that you can't imagine yourself under any circumstances voting for them--there's a basic threshold beyond which you would say "no, I just can't." 

Many of us have that. Some here want to claim that we're abdicating from our moral duty if we refuse to vote for some of these candidates, but we just draw the line in a different place than you. 

(FYI: I was comparing Trump to Stalin in the thought experiment). 

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

A thought experiment: imagine the election was Trump v. Someone you personally think is worse than Trump (an almost unfathomable monster). Would you vote for Trump?

It's a difficult question because as much as I'm against his policies,  his moral turpitude is worse.  If Trump was still a Democrat, with this exact level of dishonesty,  divisiveness,  etc., and he ran against Romney or Kasich, I would vote Republican in a second. 

And if it were Trump v. Stalin?

That's kind of silly, but no I would not vote for the guy that purged his generals, set up the gulags and committed genocide against 7-10 million Ukrainians including my own extended family.  Feels like an easy choice.  

So you’d vote for Trump?

Well there could be a third party,  I could be traveling for work or Mephistopheles might jump in at the last moment.  You've migrated into silliness. 

So you accept the logical and moral validity of not voting for Bloomberg, Buttigieg, etc. 

No, because the comparisons you drew were stupid. But at the end of the day, I don't care if you vote or not nor have I spent a moment reflecting on your personal decisions to vote or not to vote for the D candidate.  I could not care less.  

So you’re moralistically grandstanding. 

You're comparing Pete to Stalin.  That's absurd.  

It’s just crazy. 

Read things before falling in line m8.

ecdanc said:

(FYI: I was comparing Trump to Stalin in the thought experiment). 

Don’t be so condescending I read it. It was dumb.

Read it again 

cincybearcat said:

ecdanc said:

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

A thought experiment: imagine the election was Trump v. Someone you personally think is worse than Trump (an almost unfathomable monster). Would you vote for Trump?

It's a difficult question because as much as I'm against his policies,  his moral turpitude is worse.  If Trump was still a Democrat, with this exact level of dishonesty,  divisiveness,  etc., and he ran against Romney or Kasich, I would vote Republican in a second. 

And if it were Trump v. Stalin?

That's kind of silly, but no I would not vote for the guy that purged his generals, set up the gulags and committed genocide against 7-10 million Ukrainians including my own extended family.  Feels like an easy choice.  

So you’d vote for Trump?

Well there could be a third party,  I could be traveling for work or Mephistopheles might jump in at the last moment.  You've migrated into silliness. 

So you accept the logical and moral validity of not voting for Bloomberg, Buttigieg, etc. 

No, because the comparisons you drew were stupid. But at the end of the day, I don't care if you vote or not nor have I spent a moment reflecting on your personal decisions to vote or not to vote for the D candidate.  I could not care less.  

So you’re moralistically grandstanding. 

You're comparing Pete to Stalin.  That's absurd.  

It’s just crazy. 

Read things before falling in line m8.

ecdanc said:

(FYI: I was comparing Trump to Stalin in the thought experiment). 

Don’t be so condescending I read it. It was dumb.

Read it again 

Just did. Thinks it’s a misguided statement. I understand you are not specifically comparing Pete to Stalin. And I understand you are in your own amazing way trying to show how others would vote for trump or stay home versus voting for a democratic candidate that they appear to be worse. I also understand that people have different moral compass's and different things matter to them. 

But I disagree that anyone could look at trump and Pete or Amy or Warren or just about any other them (for me bernie has been an exception but as it gets closer I really don’t know if I could stay at home and not vote against trump) and think that they are so bad that it’s better to stay at home and end up with trump. I think trump is that bad. And I have a hard time seeing how any of those others rose anywhere close. Sure - you’ll say I’m projecting my moral compass, and I guess I am. But I’d like to know what about any of those candidates is worse then trump for someone that considers themselves “democrat” “moderate” “progressive” etc

No one is saying they're worse than Trump; people are saying they're bad enough they can't bring themselves to vote for them. Just like you might do with Sanders and like you might do if forced to vote for Trump (because the other candidate was even worse, per the thought experiment).